Suburban Warfare - GAME OVER

[Antihero]

zzzx hasn't claimed the full list yet

[Antihero]

can bob just claim already so we can just get this day over?

the longer this day goes, the more demotivated we're all going to be

[Antihero]

"get this day over?"
...the fuck?

i forgot how to speak sjalk;df

im dying

[Antihero]

ugh

Anti, why should I claim?

My role obviously gets less powerful when it's claimed because scum can anticipate on it

If zzzx's is town, the difference between him and me is that I can still pose a threat with my PR, while zzzx most likely can't

because i think you're both town but i've been reduced to a policy lynch and what role you have is pretty much.... what my decision is going to be based on.

so, i've either got to take self watcher (in a neighborhood with pondscum in it anyway....) or the mystery box.

actually, i'm not too sad about losing the ability to watch spyrex and oversoul. i think i'll let bob keep his cover.

VOTE: ZZZX

[Antihero]

Prodding

AGar &

Hoopla

.

no my good sir

this

is bullshit

[Antihero]

well, i just saw hoopla hasn't been here since wednesday, so never mind

sry

[Antihero]

hey desp

what's up?

[Antihero]

figured

[Antihero]

hey desp, i get that our situation isn't optimal, but you've been kind of a non-entity today (game day).

what's on your mind? other than bob.

[Antihero]

what's been going on in your neighborhood?

how did the hoopla/bob interactions look last night?

[Antihero]

yeah, i think there's a

really

good chance of chamber's slot being scum

[Antihero]

yeah, i think there's a

really

good chance of chamber's slot being scum

Me too.

actuallyactually

stick a pin in this for

just

a second. UNVOTE:

marquis

i was thinking about you and your claims and i have a few questions:

1) why did you use your shot last night?
2) why did you track Maple?
3) if you had results that suggested that ZZZX didn't use an active ability last night, why did you start today by voting Majiffy?

[Antihero]

Why did you think it made sense for anxiety to cop you?

He thought I might be scum but he wasnt sure. He felt a little well... what do they call it... hesistant?

But to my surprise it is a busdriver(?) and I dont get why would we be targeted
well care to full claim?

yeah, actually....

bus driving maple and cedar is pretty fucking scummy

[Antihero]

the only thing is...

i don't feel 100% warm and fuzzy with marquis yet and if marquis is scum, chamber's town.

[Antihero]

i was thinking about you and your claims and i have a few questions:

1) why did you use your shot last night?
2) why did you track Maple?
3) if you had results that suggested that ZZZX didn't use an active ability last night, why did you start today by voting Majiffy?

[Antihero]

meeeeeeeeow

[Antihero]

1............




blastoff?

[Antihero]

This didn't happen, FYI.

according to marquis and spyrex's claims it did.

what do you mean?

[Antihero]

because chamber said it was a bus drive

[Antihero]

I have no idea why Anxiety made the night choice that he did, I've used a busdriver as town before, but I still don't have a handle on this games mechanics. I haven't even read day 1, I just read day 2.

[Antihero]

the wiki says that it switches targets

if X targets A
and Y targets B
and A and B are busdriven

then X will end up targeting B
and Y will end up targeting A

also marquis, i don't want to eat your poop again
get your poo away from my face

[Antihero]

chamber's abrasive?

i didn't know you were such a delicate flower, metal

[Antihero]

/shrug

i'm probably worse

i've certainly seen worse

[Antihero]

ZZZX is caught between his fakeclaims of having a passive action that as a result is untrackable by me and his fakeclaim of having an active untrackable action aka ninja action.

Hoopla just because you don't understand the ZZZX situation does not mean he's not scum / you can put the lynch or questioning off for later.

Also chamber claimed the bus drive redirection thing but ZZZX apparently didn't shift to Maple at all.

It feels like people are thinking he's town just because he claimed watcher which is really dumb and just letting scum control a counterlynch.

how did zzzx know that you targeted his neighborhood if he wasn't really a self-watcher?

[Antihero]

pros for bob lynch:

>zzzx is pretty close to a 100% townread for me; the tone just feels really town. plus his claim as a reflexive watcher are corroborated by marquis' and chamber's claims. (even though he did a pretty shitty job claiming)
>there's a ???? part of his zzzx's claimed role
>there's a chance zzzx will be relocated to a strategically better place if the neighborhoods are reshuffled again
>majiffy, farside, zzzx, and metal are all on the bob wagon; this is a great wagon composition

pros for zzzx lynch:

>bob still has his entire cover so may be useful.
>as of right now, zzzx is watching two targets that are never going to get NK'ed anyway
>bob is a decently good townread; i'm in sync with him re: hoopla and i think scum would be quick to claim his "useful" role to avoid the lynch.

[Antihero]

at this point, i'm going to ask bob to claim.

i just don't think i can stomach NOT voting with my strong townreads and voting with my strongest scumread (chamber).

[Antihero]

oh yeah, AND spyrex is on the zzzx wagon too.

bob definitely feels like the less toxic wagon of the two.

[Antihero]

if you think they're both town i'm really not sure what difference the wagon composition makes

because if scum are more concentrated on zzzx's wagon, it implies i might be wrong about my townread on bob

[Antihero]

i think scum would be more likely to pile on zzzx in a bus attempt than piling on to mislynch him over bobscum

really?

why is that?

[Antihero]

i'm going to let that sink in for a bit desp, because right now i don't understand your argument

[Antihero]

Today is a debacle.

My stance on this is clear. Mystery mod mistakes don't change that and of course:

@Chamber (who, if scum considering everyone wanted blood had NO REASON to claim anything to do with the bullshit last night):

Your redirect or whatever it is. It is a targeted action, right?

if you think zzzx is scum anyway why do you think today is a debacle?

[Antihero]

can you ask reck for a record of anx's role-related mod communication

when i asked you to claim, it was an implicit attempt to hammer.

why did you not claim?

[Antihero]

can you ask reck for a record of anx's role-related mod communication

when i asked you to claim, it was an implicit intent to hammer.

why did you not claim?

fixed

[Antihero]

the commuter is meh

but that neighborhood merging thing sounds useful

[Antihero]

i think i'd take the ability to get bigger neighborhoods together than watching spyrex and oversoul.

intent to hammer zzzx. any parting words?

[Antihero]

why does bob look scum?

[Antihero]

i think i'd take the ability to get bigger neighborhoods together than watching spyrex and oversoul.

intent to hammer zzzx. any parting words?

Are you dumb?

no

are you?

[Antihero]

oh wait a second, i forgot there was an unclaimed part of zzzx's role.

don't claim it yet zzzx. still weighing.

[Antihero]

as if that is the reason you should not hammer zzzx

um, yeah

my townread having a ???? power is a pretty good reason to not kill him

[Antihero]

...oh wait i'm arguing with the guy who was tracked to dead body.

[Antihero]

Bicephalous Bob (7):

Oversoul

, Majiffy, farside22, ZZZX, Metal Sonic,

Hoopla

, Desperado
ZZZX (7): Bicephalous Bob,

SpyreX

, Zivel,

chamber

, AGar, Marquis, Pine St

strongest scumreads in red

and desperado already pointed out that since it's probably TvT anyway, the compositions don't really matter, which is true.

[Antihero]

Why'd you forget about your wagon composition argument so quickly?

Unvote

what's the purpose of unvoting?

[Antihero]

...oh wait i'm arguing with the guy who was tracked to dead body.

That's a misrepresentation if I ever saw one.

Good lord.

oh well i say good sir

/hurmphahurmphahurmpha

[Antihero]

Guys there is no unclaimed part. It is just an unknown post restriction when I sleep + more accruacy. I told you.

You might as well hammer me if you want. I would not want to lie so scum can use it to fuck us in lylo.

oh, i thought you said "something special" and that's the last thing i remember.

my zzzx townread is stronger than my bob one and i think i'm going to go on that.

[Antihero]

actually, that does sound like a plan chamber

you catch up and i'll/you can hammer bob

don't drag your feet though.

[Antihero]

and when i say "don't drag your feet" i mean within 12 hours.

if you haven't done it by then, your neighborhood can deal with your catch up

[Antihero]

word salad from the scumbag tracked to the kill....

'mkay

[Antihero]

Just as bad as Nero when he is nailed to the wall as scum.

And again, misrepresentation. If I was tracked to Mollie I could understand, but I was tracked to Pine Street. Major difference.

projecting someone else's meta on me; still damning evidence.


your stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill scum oversoul. and now you're just mudslinging because i'm caught between a rock and a hard place with this hammer

[Antihero]

also, both oversoul AND spyrex have claimed a fruit-vendor-like role that seems to only be for the purpose of observation

[Antihero]

Our recent past begs to differ on your ability to read me so... Yeah.

ugh

whatever.

[Antihero]

alright

VOTE: bicephalous bob

[Antihero]

I still would have enjoyed the 9h anyway, just because I wouldn't finish in that time window doesn't mean I wouldn't get anything done :/.

you have at least a neighborhood QT

[Antihero]

plus i was never stopping you from posting thoughts on your catchup to now. apparently, the only scumread you have is metal sonic (which is pretty awful).

[Antihero]

Oversoul. why did you use your ability?

I can't control it. It is compulsive AND I do not get to choose where I go. *I* don't know even know where I visit in the night.

It is a dumb role.

is it random?

[Antihero]

Its an 80 page game, I have a life. Fuck me for not being able to read all of it at sufficient depth after a couple days.

ok... and you have a neighborhood QT and 72 hours to post catchup thoughts.

i don't know what you're so worked up about.

[Antihero]

you've got farside and you're complaining about your neighborhood?

lol

[Antihero]

there's nothing to be tiffed about.

we needed to get out of the binary voting system desperately.

[Antihero]

i'm christopher yoo. i'm an IT expert so i can hack computers so i'm a rolecop. one-shot. i can see what types of abilities a neighborhood has (investigative, protective, blocking, manipulative, supporting, miscellaneous).

i used my shot on cedar last night. i got 1 investigative and 2 miscellaneous. i guess this is consistent with the claims, though it doesn't reveal much...

[Antihero]

like, all of their abilities had already been confirmed to exist so i have no idea what you thought that would accomplish

if they didn't claim everything about their role it would've shown up.

[Antihero]

your ability can't tell the difference between oversoul being a fruit vendor and oversoul committing the scum kill

no, but it can tell if spyrex/oversoul really had some scum PR that was actually useful that they held back on.

[Antihero]

what did i say, agar?

VOTE: oversoul

[Antihero]

He made a show of it as if he wanted everyone to see "oh look I am considering things guys"

fuck you

i agonize over the hammer for days and you want to swoop in at the last second and criticize me after i hammer scum.

eat rope.

[Antihero]

fuck you

i agonize over the hammer for days and you want to swoop in at the last second and criticize me after i hammer scum.

eat rope.

What is your reasoning for voting me?

well there's:
>you were on pine street at the time of mollie's death
>i was deliberating on the hammer since saturday, but you only show up on sunday night/monday morning to fling dirt on me for a bad reason
>majiffy was calling you scum, he keels over and you want to point the finger at someone else (lol)

[Antihero]

now that i think about it, did anyone actually confirm your claim?

[Antihero]

anyone from pine, that is?

[Antihero]

how do you know that?

if spyrex can send pictures and is also a 2-shot roleblocker, would he show up under blocking or miscellaneous?

just asked reck this to confirm:

i would have gotten any category of ability they had if they had multiple abilities (my role PM implied as much, but i wanted to confirm)

[Antihero]

You had been deliberating since Saturday. Ok. I'll give you that but you completely ignored the fact that ZZZX supplies information on MULTIPLE people because of his role.

That is the worst logic ever. Only dumb scum outright kill the people suspicious of them. I am telling you, Majiffy was likely killed by someone either in his neighborhood or someone who received something from him.

I mostly just want another game to end so I can rub it in your nose that YOU CAN'T READ ME

>yes, i believe i said that it might be useful if he was able to watch people who i don't think are complete scumbags (and i used this as a point for him)
>no, smart scum kill people suspicious of them since they can just bury it under a mountain of wifom anyway
>this isn't a valid point. and the game's not over either, so quit talking about ongoing games.

[Antihero]

well that was short-lived
fun while it lasted, though...

[Antihero]

whatever oversoul. hate all you want.

VOTE: chamber

[Antihero]

FINE. they probably sent bob to do the kill.

i'm not voting you because since last night i thought there was a good chance that you're just a tunneling dumbass (like... you're accusing me of being).

agar and majiffy certainly disagreed, though. not sure what the new guy thinks.

[Antihero]

reck, did i format my vote improperly to where the automatic counter didn't count it?

VOTE: chamber

I think I got ninja'd but didn't get the ninja warning.

[Antihero]

Mollie
Desp
Antihero

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5987393

BLOW ME~

no screw that

i was voting scum before everyone else lynched you and you should've voted scum with me.

[Antihero]

oh look, a new agar wagon. look who's here to scoop it up.

The best advice I ever received in a mafia game was from VP Baltar, when I was run up to L-1 as town in one of my first few games on site. He told me that rather than waste time trying to defend myself, I should instead focus my efforts on finding the scum. Because either I get lynched and you now have reads to work from that you know are genuine. Or I find actual scum and we lynch actual scum. It's a win-win.

Your current attitude is very different from this.

[Antihero]

has anyone told you your standards are unreasonably high, oversoul?

[Antihero]

My reads this game are not good. Time for ol standby.

holy shit

this needs rope.

[Antihero]

spyrex
you're really ready to commit seppuku over townreading bob? i think a lot of people were doing that. not sure how you can support this assertion that your reads are somehow bad to the point where you should disengage yourself.

feels like a scum pity party.

[Antihero]

especially

considering those quotes chamber pulled up

from this game

only difference is that agar has a lot more good reason to throw a pity party than spyrex.

[Antihero]

He ended the day before I could catch up

LOL

@anyone in chamber's neighborhood

: did he actually catch up or was that a bunch of smoke and mirrors?

[Antihero]

I can sometimes confuse competence with towniness. He was one of the most competent seeming players when I was catching up. With that veil lifted though I think hes done a lot of overtly scummy things. He ended the day before I could catch up, he attempted to make bob vs zzzx about their roles, he tried to make me look bad for questioning agar, how else did he expect me to develop opinions? It was just thoughtless rhetoric.

haha, you're telling me there weren't 2 whole game days of stuff to develop an opinion on agar. i was just bringin' you down?

enjoy the rope, scumbag.

[Antihero]

Smoke and mirrors? I told you plainly that I didn't desire to catch up with the people in my neighborhood. More rhetoric.

so, all the people in your neighborhood were scum and couldn't be trusted?

or... you don't like farside (because i bet she would've been willing to discuss whatever)?

i'm not scum because i wouldn't let you hold the game hostage while you just did a quote-snipe, scummy catch up anyway.

[Antihero]

I like interacting with the people who's play I actually find questionable, like with say, agar's inconsistency.

haha, ok

so, according to you, the only people whose play you find questionable are

1) metal sonic
2) the guy who's just happening to be the one getting hard wagoned right now.

yep. looks like scumhunting at it's most earnest

poor poor pitiful pity party for you, chamber. you're the victim here.

[Antihero]

farside, what's been going on in that neighborhood, i'd like to know.

[Antihero]

You are literally the one that stopped my process by hammering when I asked you not to, and yet you are trying to hold that against me? Seriously?

LOL

so, i came to your house, took away your computer for the 72 fucking hour night and STOPPED you from reading and catching up?

and don't give me some horseshit about asking questions, you did nothing of the sort in any meaningful way. you quoted random things and made little cute comments about them.

and yeah, when you make a scum catchup, i'm going to hold it against you.

seriously.

[Antihero]

damn, i missed spyrex. the only time he could be around was 4:00 in the morning. i would have stayed up....

[Antihero]

You seemed all for it when I first said so.

yeah, and then you said, "not going to happen".

[Antihero]

I think chamber is town. I was talking about it with desp in our neighborhood last night...

The timing of his unvote on ZZZX improved Bob's chances of getting lynched which is a very positive action. I think in general scum are usually more leery when it comes to making influential plays right when a buddy is very close to being lynched. As scum he would know his play would be a scrutinized action the next day, whereas town are usually less thinking about their image in a situation like that.

do you think all the scum were on the zzzx wagon?

[Antihero]

Yes, I am not sure about anti thou. I find his mind changed in a flash in a last secound stunt. Not sure if town or scum.

i changed my mind in a flash a few times (see: asking bob for a claim).

this is why i made the pros and cons list... ._.

[Antihero]

But you weren't initially holding the way I caught up against me, that is a recent fabrication.

i think agar and shinobi would beg to differ.

[Antihero]

@Anti:

I didn't get redirected, so I think that you should have got my picture. Why act sooo surprised at my statement when I said just that in the picture.

who said i was surprised?

i don't think shinobi is a very good vote.

[Antihero]

...and chamber fades into oblivion, never to finish that catchup that was oh-so-urgent that i so rudely interrupted...

what's so town about this, hoopla?

[Antihero]

so, i actually didn't interrupt anything and the whole "being mad i ended the day" thing was bullshit.

/shocked

[Antihero]

You can contribute via neighborhood QTs; there's nothing that can be lost since there's always someone around to report it, unless you're somehow town and all three of the other people in your neighborhood are scum.

i used this reasoning to hammer bob before chamber asked because the day was already dragging on forever and it needed to end.

your hammer was premature.

[Antihero]

Spoiler:

We had a few issues here was one.

Bob's claim

missed that

I'm the jackson family, non-consecutive night commuter

if I don't commute at all, mr. jackson doesn't lose his six figure job at the

non-profit housing association and I can merge two neighborhoods every night if the merged neighborhood would have four members or less

Hoopla's claim

hoopla how about you full claim? flavor and all.

I'm the Home Owner's Association President. I've pretty much claimed all my powers: gladiator, reverse encryptor and

the ability to close neighbourhoods and redistribute players at certain points in the game.

Also, can we please not lynch agar? There are much better choices in the game and I wanna talk about more things when I have access to a computer. Lets not end the day yet please.

Please note the bold in both claims.
Can you explain hoopla why you didn't say anything about bob's claim being fake or similar and suspicious?

this is a good point.

my first instinct is to think that reck gave that to bob as a fakeclaim; i don't know how bob would go about pulling something like that out of his ass

[Antihero]

oh well, actually, he could have just made that up and then just planned on using the out of "oh, well i already used my commute so bleh no neighborhood redistribution"

[Antihero]

anti you should vote hoopla ;]

mmmmmmmmm she made a really town post in the neighborhood QT last night.

does anyone have fresh hoopla scum meta?

[Antihero]

there's another role that screws with neighborhood placement.

i'm pretty sure a player was responsible for swapping oversoul and i.

replication of types of roles doesn't necessarily imply fakeclaim overlap (and bob had an escape hatch for his "neighborhood redistribution" thing).

i think hoopla is p town.

[Antihero]

Could it be a random occurrence? Why would anyone swap you and over soul?

two single players are just randomly swapped for no reason?

how fucked of a mechanic is that?

[Antihero]

Desperad

, shinobi, and oversoul fill out the roster in that order.

oh?

[Antihero]

lol simulprod

[Antihero]

VOTE: shinobi

[Antihero]

sorry about the inactivity. been a little busy lately.

i will be v/la until tuesday.

[Antihero]

hey reck, sorry i didn't pm you but i left this in the thread.

sorry about the inactivity. been a little busy lately.

i will be v/la until tuesday.

i need to catch up on this game but it might not be until later today or tomorrow.

[Antihero]

yep, i'm barely here and the limited time i have on MS i'm spending elsewhere

i see we have 2 days to deadline so this game will get a higher priority, but yeah... that's the situation

[Antihero]

holy shit i've finally got a second to breathe

[Antihero]

in terms of raw reads, i think chamber, Marquis, and Desperado are most likely the scumteam. this isn't taking any role claims / setup spec into account, but since this is a role madness game, i doubt this is going to change with claims (i even think all three of these people claimed 1-shot bus driver, 1-shot tracker, and ... something...)

[Antihero]

oh please marquis, let's not pretend our recent reversals in activity levels changed our alignments.

chamber i've already talked to death about.
desp, while he's been here, has been strategically not really here and mollie read him as scum too.
marquis is just now crawling out of the woodwork now that it's mylo and

i'm

the one catching shit for having a low activity level?

[Antihero]

i want to lynch antihero. he is master lurker and most likely scum. seriously

your incomplete meta argument is incomplete

and shitty

[Antihero]

oh please marquis, let's not pretend our recent reversals in activity levels changed our alignments.

chamber i've already talked to death about.
desp, while he's been here, has been strategically not really here and mollie read him as scum too.
marquis is just now crawling out of the woodwork now that it's mylo and

i'm

the one catching shit for having a low activity level?

Anti you forgot you're supposed to suck up to me. I'm the one who thinks we should wait to lynch you until tomorrow, remember?

haha, that's fucking hilarious

doesn't matter

i suck and i've been worthless dead weight who no one's wanted to listen to since day 1

[Antihero]

I don't even have meta on you,

God of beetlejuice

oh yeah

i'm moving and i'm just sitting on here

waiting

your YOU, metal sonic

fucking narcissist

[Antihero]

hey i got an idea let's play a game.

it's called "antihero and pirate mollie have had scum pegged since day 1 but lets dance around like nimrods and pretend we don't know what to do at the 11th hour"

that's always a fun game, RIGHT MARQUIS?

VOTE: chamber

i'm done
if you want ot lynch me, fine, but that's my 2 cents and you all caln either take it or leave it

[Antihero]

desp, while he's been here, has been strategically not really here and mollie read him as scum too.

i would love to see you attempt to justify this

oh i don't have to do shit jakc squat

YOU'VE JUSTIFIED IT YOURSELF

anxiety AND CHAMBER have been siting here, o bvscumming it up and you're nowhere to be found. WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU? YOU'RE going after shinabi and metal sonic COME ON

shinobi was the result of hoopla's wholoe "which neighborhoods have scum" which i got sucked into but it's probably all bullshit anyway

[Antihero]

chamber or marquis

that's all i'm taking today

[Antihero]

Why did the post seem like it was fake rage from shinobi but genuine from antihero?

someone doesn't know me very well...

[Antihero]

Why did the post seem like it was fake rage from shinobi but genuine from antihero?

someone doesn't know me very well...

You typically seem disingenuous to farside? I don't know what this is supposed to mean.

i don't do fake rage. as either alignment. and don't go there.

[Antihero]

well farside, there's this newfound swell of me-haters here in [oversoul, metal sonic, and marquis] and the old hand here who's been trying to make me the asshole of this game the whole time [chamber].

that's scum founded and driven. all the way.

[Antihero]

Sorry for my play

alright, oversoul. we're even.

can the bitch factory close now?

[Antihero]

i was a day late and a dollar short re: marquis, but the rest of them i had from pretty early on

GG

[Antihero]

meh, not really a big deal.

oversoul and metal sonic derped out at the last second, but i tend to do that myself so meh. no harm no foul.

i had fun.

[Antihero]

THANKS RECK!