Suburban Warfare - GAME OVER

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Official Vote Count

ZZZX

(6): Bicephalous Bob, SpyreX, Marquis, Zivel, Antihero, Pine St

Bicephalous Bob

(5): Oversoul, Majiffy, farside22, ZZZX, Metal Sonic

Not Voting

(4): chamber, Desperado, Hoopla, AGar

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

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Prodding AGar & Hoopla.

Vote zzzx

yeah, i think there's a

really

good chance of chamber's slot being scum

Me too.

actuallyactually

stick a pin in this for

just

a second. UNVOTE:

marquis

i was thinking about you and your claims and i have a few questions:

1) why did you use your shot last night?
2) why did you track Maple?
3) if you had results that suggested that ZZZX didn't use an active ability last night, why did you start today by voting Majiffy?

nvm he's at l-1 and bob is at l-2

vote: bob

antihero has the hammer.

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ZZZX is caught between his fakeclaims of having a passive action that as a result is untrackable by me and his fakeclaim of having an active untrackable action aka ninja action.

where did he claim an active untrackable action

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still not seeing where you claims his role visits

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reck said that that's assuming standard application of roles. zzzx was pretty up front about his role being nonstandard.

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yeah i read his claim posts again marquis and i'm not getting you. he's claimed insomniac (neighborhood self-watcher). i don't see any reason to expect this to mean that he could be tracked watching his own neighborhood.

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if you think they're both town i'm really not sure what difference the wagon composition makes

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i think scum would be more likely to pile on zzzx in a bus attempt than piling on to mislynch him over bobscum

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the longer the scum in that pair survives, the more obvious what happened today will become.

this goes doubly is hoopla is scum who has to put one of her teammates in the pair.

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in other words, i think it's optimal to use the gladiator for town cred, not achieving a mislynch on zzzx that they could have easily gotten without going through all these shenanigans

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i just read 1601 again and now i just want to lynch hoopla again

pedit: which part? 1926 or 27?

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why is hoopla town?

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not yet no

@ chamber: nah. i was wrong in this particular instance but that doesn't invalidate the tell i was using and i'm not interested in talking about it.

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of course today is a debacle

scum did it

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im sorry majiffy

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vote: AGar

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hoopla is not conftown

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in retrospect hoopla including bob makes 0 sense from a town pov. she claimed "all of his posts are active lurking and not furthering the game" after giving him a and despite the fact that there were a bunch of people that actually fit that description that she hadn't called town. especially with her eventually voting bob over zzzx after wanting zzzx dead at deadline d1.

I think I prefer a Bob lynch.

I don't understand ZZZX's line of questioning and what he's trying to prove, but it seems town. Scum don't usually try to work things out in that way - looks genuine...

VOTE: Bob

that vote is just terrible. there is no progression. and i think bob was in there because she's scum and had to pick 1 scum/1 town.

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hard townread d1

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@ anti: that was...dumb?

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like, all of their abilities had already been confirmed to exist so i have no idea what you thought that would accomplish

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your ability can't tell the difference between oversoul being a fruit vendor and oversoul committing the scum kill

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whatever though, whats done is done

who's scum?

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how do you know that?

if spyrex can send pictures and is also a 2-shot roleblocker, would he show up under blocking or miscellaneous?

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i just feel like rolecopping the neighborhood full of unclaimed roles would have been more conducive to producing information than re-confirming a neighborhood that had all already claimed their roles and had them confirmed

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i don't think i've ever seen scum antihero so i cant really say

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antiscum would have gotten 0 flak for hammering zzzx and had been leaning towards him most of the day as it were

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Oh my god so satisfying to have that game over their heads forever now

why are you so proud about being scummy enough to get lynched as town? pretty sure the threee of us didnt murder you singlehandedly

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nah, agar first

he gave up

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like he literally announced "i am not going to give any of my buddies away by interacting with this game any further"

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especially

considering those quotes chamber pulled up

from this game

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no he doesnt?

he voted zzzx because zzzx's posts made him angry because they were so stupid or something

i dont believe he actually developed a read on either of the players available for a vote yesterday

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@ chamber: why is any of this scummy again? you replaced in on friday night and we lynched monday night and then you had 72 hours to catch up overnight. what exactly were you going to accomplish in the 12 hours that antihero cut off by hammering that was going to be so earth shattering that he's scum for not allowing you to do it?

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in spyrex's world you can only have one tab open in your browser

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@ spyrex: you were saying shinobi should stop telling us they are reading and actually be reading but these two things are not mutually exclusive so it really just sounded stupid

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zzzzzzzzzz if this is what you consider scumhunting its piss poor. he is totally capable of both catching up on an 80 page game and posting re: current events and your angle here is garbage dude

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You mean the 12h deadline he put in place all on his own? It's not like we were remotely close to deadline.

you're right, it was 4 days to deadline in a day that had been dragging for quite some time as it were

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Did marquis ever make a post that wasn't just this?

in the first week or so of the game he was kind of playing? but since then that's about all we've gotten from him.

keeping in my mind he just won mafia with the quickness as scum, a game that started a week after this one and produced 150 pages in a month and he was the driving force behind his hydra. i guess he could have just been routinely putting this game on the backburner but the sad sack i'm-so-lost shtick is pretty hollow yeah

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hoopla how about you full claim? flavor and all.

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there are much better choices? youve gotta be shitting me.

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So, you think scum has two awesome powerful roles?

uh...yeah?

there's only 4 of them and it's role madness. how else do you balance that?

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and literally no one is a better choice than agar

he gave up days ago. he isn't even trying. he stopped trying because the more he talks the more likely it is he will give away his buddies. how do you not see this?

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oh yeah hoopla's scum

carry on then

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i don't give a fuck what your opinion of my opinions is

you look really scummy and you aren't even having the decency to bus your buddy.

why aren't you voting agar? he's claimed scum.

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yes, because we're not on the same team

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answer the question. why arent you voting agar?

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As far agar, I think his original wagon on d1 was uninspired and lacked real competition until I forced a counterwagon. Those situations usually end up being on a townie as scum has little incentive to move the game elsewhere. I also think his refusal to claim was town which I've also talked about.

i thought it was town too

then he fucking gave up today

did you skip over those posts?

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vote: agar

Pedit yes how agar defended Bob was scummy as fk

vote agar

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Vote: agar

I also have a scum read on Zivel which I talked with chamber in part and suspicion on spy.

Here we go again, the dipshit brigade is full steam!

Fuck it, lynch me please. I don't even care at this point - if we're gonna do this dance every day quit wasting my time.

Like fuck this, I'm not going to even contribute anymore. I'm just going to post "Lynch me." from here on out, every 48 hours, since this is dumb as shit. We should be killing the fuck out of Hoopla (HEY LOOK MAJIFFY DIED, I WONDER WHY) but NOPE.jpeg.

Majiffy's last scumreads were OS and Hoopla.

AGAR OUT.

Lynch me.

these ones

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hey agar if you're reading this and are town:

nut up and play the game.

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Why is giving up more likely from scum?

because agar's town game is better than that

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what do you think about agar's final thought before giving up being that you need rope?

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I felt like ZZZX was town yesterday... that hasn't really changed.

As for that thing about agar. I was third on his wagon. It wasn't uninspired then - it wasn't really anything yet.

no what changed is you thought he was scum d1 and you thought bob was town d1 then you made up some shit about why you put bob into the gladiate that clearly wasn't true based on things you'd previously said

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vote: shinobi

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i'm a 1-shot neighborhood doctor. i was || this close to using it on pine n2 but i ended up self-protecting oak instead.

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It is hard to follow your role's interactions with Hoopla's interference.

i'm reading it as a direct contradiction. both of them are claiming responsibility for the current oak neighborhood.

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i didn't think zzzx or anyone in his neighborhood would be targetted for a kill that night and i was right so...?

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i can phone post but its a hassle and i dont have unlimited data

hoopla and whoever else claimed to,move people (metal i think) both clearly took credit for the same neighborhood switch

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I was the one who closed down maple and moved everyone into their new neighborhood btw.

oh. aw

i am the neighborhood swapper. i was responsible for swapping antihero and oversoul. i am also responsible for putting chamber, hoopla and desp in the same neighborhood cause (scumreads)

who's next? lets see

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so if two could stop dicking around and resolve this thatd be great

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Desperadoooo. Please say why you didn't use your shot n1 on mollies neighbourhood.

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I thought mollie was scum.

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yes i do think that. there were no other kill targets in her neighborhood either so why the fuck would i protect them?

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hoopla is only scum if her,gladiate must be used N1 and must include a teammate. her picking bob still doesnt make sense,given her d1

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then atip fucking posting holy shit

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i think youre going crazy

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Desperado comes out of hiding for this?

"comes out of hiding"

i was v/la, derp. and i still posted things.

you made a comment about the wagons not making sense given what people had said or you're going crazy (aka you're wrong) and you're wrong, so i said you're going crazy

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i'm not voting hoopla today

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like at any point in the previous three days i would have absolutely helped string her up but not today

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her posts in the neighborhood overnight and her play today are town and there's literally only one situation where she's scum and it gets less likely as time goes on.

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hoopla's overall approach to scumhunting and continued insistence on how right she is and will continue to be started out as scummy but has rounded all the way back to town as shit

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1. i'm not "barely" here
2. what does that even mean? do you think anti and i are scum?

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I mean you two placed a vote in shin and did shit all after the fact. Who else is your scum read?

ok then

shinobi/oversoul/chamber

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spyrex i don't get it. chamber just said he will reluctantly hammer your 1v1 death tunnel but you're unvoting so they can kill hoopla instead?

??

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also chamber, you keep falling back on "but it was 1-shot! how could that possibly be useful!" and it keeps getting dumber every time you say it.

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That's not what I'm saying at all. Answer my outstanding question for you.

oh the question ive already given an answer for? i was in hiding i guess so i understand how you missed it

hoopla is only scum if her,gladiate must be used N1 and must include a teammate. her picking bob still doesnt make sense,given her d1

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and farside better fucking be around if she is gonna start a new wagon 12? hours before the deadline

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the deadline is in an hour. farside and metal jumped to chamber yesterday morning so its more like 24 hours but the point remains

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farside?

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metal?

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bueller? bueller?

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vote: hoopla

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great job good effort

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Last night in our thread I stated a desire to have shin explain his reads and I was bothered that desp didn't try to push a wagon away from hoop since he had a town read.

are you fucking shitting me

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on what fucking planet is that even close to what actually happened? holy shit.

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Not currently, I haven't gone back and reread it myself.

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She wasn't on your scum list there.

we didn't lynch shinobi yesterday because you started a chamber wagon with metal 24 hours before the deadline and never showed back up. chamber said he would vote shinobi if you resurfaced and then you didn't so we had to lynch hoopla. for you to even PRETEND like this is my fault for not pushing another wagon is absolutely asinine.

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Was I the only fucking player Mia on Friday?
Second you listed chamber as scum so what happened there?

you were the lynchpin vote and you are now giving me shit for not pushing another wagon

when your absence is literally the reason we didn't lynch someone other than hoopla yesterday

and it's fucking bullshit

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because a chamber wagon wasn't possible! we didn't have enough votes.

we had the votes for shinobi though. until we didn't because you weren't there. so for you to come in here and say you're bothered by the fact that i didn't try to start a wagon against my hoopla townread is seriously insane.

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Again, not the only person.
There was oversoul, ms and marquis unless you think no one else should have moved there vote while I wasn't around?

all three of those people were on record as having hoopla as scum

you are now claiming you had shinobi as scum at the end of the day

so yes, it's your fucking fault that we lynched hoopla yesterday and i have a really, really hard time buying this argument coming from you as town

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No again you didn't fucking care to do shit and now you are attacking me like I could be the only possible person to switch votes. Again why?

this will not be true no matter how many times you repeat it

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and if you didn't have shinobi as scum (and thus wouldn't vote them?) then what the fuck is all of this even about? we wouldn't have had the votes for a non-hoopla wagon regardless.

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even with chamber compromising with us it's still a 5/5 split

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Seriously blaming one player when others are in the fucking game and could change there vote is bullshit case desp.

this entire conversation started with you blaming me for "not doing enough" to get another lynch off the ground

so blow me

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I'm sorry did I miss that you were scum reading both marquis and ms that they can't be asked to switch?

Or is okay for anti to lurk that other wagon can't be formed on someone you were scum reading?

Should I look to see if anti was online during that time?

marquis and metal had been pushing hoopla the entire day

anti was helping me kill shinobi

your chamber wagon was DOA

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Should I point to your scum list at the end of Friday again?

your chamber wagon was DOA

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Ahhhhh

Yea again wasn't here, others were, if you thought a player was scum I'd expect you to fight for that lynch like you did in Harry potter mafia.
Why is that thought process faulty?

did you even read the end of the day or what

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so you should know that fucking lynching hoopla wasn't my ideal outcome and that you're bullshit about me not trying hard enough to get someone else lynched is empty rhetoric

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farside i want you to explain in great detail which lynch i should have been trying harder to get

because i'm pretty sure i was on hoopla's counterwagon

the entire day

and by the time we reached deadline i had no other choice but to go against my townread on hoopla to achieve a lynch

because other people were not around to do it

. so for you to come in to today blaming

me

for not fighting hard enough against the lynch that

you wanted

is skivvy as fuck

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Also I assumed when I read this only 2 votes were needed on shin.
No one corrected that.

If it comes down to it me and

farside

should be enough to lynch shinobi, I assume she'd take that over no lynch. I'm just sad that's what it's coming to.

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Did I miss a chamber possibility?
I mean there was 2 players and you think spy would want a no lynch?

Just asking or did that read disappear?

ok, that's four. who are the other two votes?

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I don't know how you can read Farside as scum, Desp
She's very town

i wasn't until she started in on me for not trying hard enough to counterwagon her hoopla mislynch

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like there are so many things wrong with what farside has said about the way yesterday played out that i have a hard time she is town and legitimately believes all of them

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1-shot neighborhood doc

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what happened to your shinobi read

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vote: shinobi

if we aren't no lynching then why is this even a question

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Because they killed Spyrex that night. Why else would they do that unless they wanted to have Shin die?

no.

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desp, while he's been here, has been strategically not really here and mollie read him as scum too.

i would love to see you attempt to justify this

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shinobi and metal and the last one depends on setup spec so it's tbd

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So why did you complain when we didn't decide to vote Shin?

what?

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Desp, how do you feel about oversoul as a whole and why?

i can't read oversoul. he's either scum because there's 1 scum in every neighborhood or he's town because his hood was all town.

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no shit sherlock

why did you feel the need to "translate" was was plainly evident in what i said?

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is this the part where you show me up with your slam dunk oversoul town/scum case?

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so if someone asked you what your read on oversoul was and why, you're answer would be...

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Desperado: can you explain why you have a scum read here on oversoul and now say you can't read him?

because that post was 1000 posts ago

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This is the complaining I meant, Desp. Hopefully I get my computer back this week. I'll make a substantial post then.

i still don't understand your original question

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so are we lynching today or not?

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then we should just no lynch because continuing this day to no lynch is antitown

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don't pretend you didn't understand my facetiousness i still think we should lynch you

i...don't care?

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because the gladiator was a gamestate changing event?

jesus

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like seriously what kind of bullshit gotcha was that supposed to be?

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if you wanted to know why I voted Bob you should ask me that, the way you framed the inquiry was like you'd discovered a smoking gun

I had zzzx as scum during n1 but when it was him vs Bob with me thinking hoopla was potentially scum also zzzx looked like a patsy so I went the other way.

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Also why does the gladiator event change that scum read to no vote?

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what does getting the neighborhoods to shift have to do with anything?

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Who doesn't have shinobi as a scum read? Let's just do that today?

maybe you should, like, vote him

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we are never going to progress the game without any wagons. nothing is happening because scum are among those who already have votes

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gg