Serum & Steel 2: The Rise of Phyrexia--Endgame

[Majiffy]

Wussup. I'm a white guy.

[Majiffy]

I am definitely not reading 140 pages btw so give me the cliffnotes.

[Majiffy]

Spoiler: Parts Repurposed

1. Albert B Rampage, Mephidross Vampire,

Mirrodin Aligned

Immortal

was lynched day one.

10. Titus,

Inkmoth Nexus

,

New Phyrexia Aligned

Serum Giver

was Sunblasted night one.

12. mastin2,

Glissa Sunseeker

,

Mirrodin Aligned

Spark Bearer

was lynched day two.

8. zMuffinMan,

Myr Battlesphere

,

Mirrodin Aligned

Metal Army

was smashed night two.

>Assuming New Phyrexia is scum
>Green = Race?

[Majiffy]

Off to watch The Iceman. Check in later. Toodles.

[Majiffy]

Oh my role has already been outted?

That takes like 90% of the fun out of it.

[Majiffy]

Thoughts on the Chandra slot and current Chandra wagon...

Not sure yet.

[Majiffy]

Although if the slot doesn't have a useful PR it'd be worth flipping. Lots of strong lines being taken.

[Majiffy]

Either.

[Majiffy]

Oh man you think I plan on catching up. Thats adorable.

[Majiffy]

No, you said you won't be reading the whole game thread. what are you going to do to figure out who's scum and who to vote?

Read posts. Ask questions. Analyze wagons.

The usual.

[Majiffy]

CN who are the members of your hydra?

[Majiffy]

I am indeed a thing.

[Majiffy]

I'd like to lynch one of the people on the CN wagon. Can I get a rehash why each vote is there currently?

[Majiffy]

Vote: Majiffy

I'm not sure what you think this is going to help you achieve.

[Majiffy]

I'm glazing a bit.

Stop you're making me hungry and I don't want to order food.

[Majiffy]

Giant magnifying glass on you and the play of your predecessor.

Can't speak much for my predecessor. What about my play bothers you?

[Majiffy]

I've asked questions. Each one has been ignored.

[Majiffy]

Spoiler: Parts Repurposed

1. Albert B Rampage, Mephidross Vampire,

Mirrodin Aligned

Immortal

was lynched day one.

10. Titus,

Inkmoth Nexus

,

New Phyrexia Aligned

Serum Giver

was Sunblasted night one.

12. mastin2,

Glissa Sunseeker

,

Mirrodin Aligned

Spark Bearer

was lynched day two.

8. zMuffinMan,

Myr Battlesphere

,

Mirrodin Aligned

Metal Army

was smashed night two.

>Assuming New Phyrexia is scum
>Green = Race?

I'd like to lynch one of the people on the CN wagon. Can I get a rehash why each vote is there currently?

For example, both of these were completely passed over by everyone.

[Majiffy]

I believe green is the color of mastin2's role card (Magic the Gathering colors)

Chandra's alignment has been a primary subject of conversation for the last 20-30 pages. Have you followed that discussion? What do you think of it? That question from you implies you think he's town -- do you?

I've kept up with everything since I've replaced in; insofar as much as I understand. I haven't read the OP and have very limited knowledge about flavor or the unique game mechanics such as the other two voting mechanics.

CN has seemed relatively town based on posting I've been reading.

[Majiffy]

pieguyn wrote an extended case on CN as well: 3490

I'm not too concerned about pie. I'd love to hear the reasons for the other votes.

[Majiffy]

Also anyone who is soft-supporting the wagon without putting their votes there.

[Majiffy]

No.

There are 15 living players, 14 discounting me.
My question should be simple enough to answer without myself having to do the legwork. Particularly if the four proponents of the wagon actually believe in what they're voting for.

Dig?

[Majiffy]

Your questions only engage a handful of players. Are they the only ones of concern atm?

No it doesn't; we're talking about finding scum, yes? This is a team game, yes?

No, I do not dig. People will continue to ignore you because the question is easy for you to answer for yourself; this was always going to be the case. I believe you realize this and are happy to be ignored and use it as an excuse to not investigate further.

Your conception and fferyhydra's conception only have the logical conclusion of throwing up your hands, refusing to make cases or an effort to openly scumhunt, and just random vote every game hoping you might hit scum.

[Majiffy]

Which I guess makes sense since we've moved away from legitimate scumhunting and more towards setup spec and PR-reliance as a whole in the mafia community.

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy:

why do you think CN looks town?

When I get home, sure.

also, you said you were gonna look at wagons. can you look at the way the initial ABR wagon and Ludi wagon happened D1 and tell me what you think?

No, but the scumflip wagon might be worthwhile.

[Majiffy]

You're asking for the reasons the players on a particular wagon are voting there. That's something they should answer before I or others opine about it IMO.

If you want to know what I think of the players on that wagon, I'm game, but that's not what you're asking.

well if you think you should wait till they answer maybe you should get off my dick till they do.

Not concerned with your thoughts till I get my own opinions on them.

[Majiffy]

Your conception and fferyhydra's conception only have the logical conclusion of throwing up your hands, refusing to make cases or an effort to openly scumhunt, and just random vote every game hoping you might hit scum.

This may well be the exact opposite of the logical conclusion.

Walk me through why you think that.

[Majiffy]

Im not the one whining 'wah majiffy isnt doing anything!'

[Majiffy]

Mostly lack thereof.

That's a shit reason. I just replaced in and I haven't gotten anything I've been looking for

No, you said you won't be reading the whole game thread. what are you going to do to figure out who's scum and who to vote?

Read posts. Ask questions. Analyze wagons.

The usual.

Like I seemed to have missed some of this.

Remove the penis from your mouth and read the thread.

[Majiffy]

Spoiler: Posts that give me Town Feels on CN

Good isos to read:
Me (I am getting lynched today)
SKOT (scum)
massive (scum)
Pander Bears (everyone else thinks this is scum but it isn't)

You should probably sheep my opinions after I die.

These posts right off the bat struck a town chord in response to my asking what was going on in recent events.

2. Why are they currently voting you?
3. Who are their other scum candidates?

2. Antihero- has been calling me scum all game for no discernible reason
vezok- was calling me obvtown at one point? I don't know what is up here
pie- shitty case, and because he is scum
skot- because "scummy actions" or something. lol.
f-16- this is not the scum on this wagon. has a pretty believable trajectory on me.

I don't know who any of their other scum candidates are, but I can't be arsed to check. You can bet pie doesn't have any others though

Pretty town-feeling reaction to a wagon on self. Shows care to actually discern motivations.

The beautiful thing about all this is that I don't actually have to argue with you 8 order to be right. I am automatically right by virtue of having a town role pm. It's a pretty good feeling.

More of the same TownAsFuck

^TM

reaction.

Not going to bother quoting this one because hueg but more genuine reactions and scumhunting.

No one is forgetting about your pet mislynch

I think the people on my Wagon who aren't scum, whichever the are, have stopped reading my posts. I've been hemorrhaging town for days

More town. Also lulz.

Spoiler: towntroll

Let me try the skot pie strategy and see how long it takes before everyone gets as sick of it as I am

Need more massive votes please

'Cause ceph is town and there are way better lynches.

Why aren't you voting massive

I'd like to lynch one of the people on the CN wagon. Can I get a rehash why each vote is there currently?

Have you considered massive?

Hi f16, looking for a wagon? Why not massive?

Hey skot it's ok to bus massive now

Am I really fucking annoying yet?

[Majiffy]

Aw man I can't do spoilers inside of spoilers?

Well fuck.

[Majiffy]

from a town POV, if you think you're seeing smth in a consensus townread and no one's listening to you on it, you don't roll over and go "oh, well, looks like he's not getting lynched, I'll just give up", you try to get that person lynched and get as many ppl on your side as you can.

Not everyone does that.

The names he points out are consistent with his play. He has been actively decrying the SKOT and Massive lynches, and pushing against wagons on himself and Pandeer.

Pretty town-feeling reaction to a wagon on self. Shows care to actually discern motivations.

disagree. there isn't any actual effort to analyze the votes on him - all of the things he points out are extremely shallow.

Maybe, but that doesn't mean scum. It's showing of a townie that legitimately doesn't understand the reasons why he's being wagoned.

Not going to bother quoting this one because hueg but more genuine reactions and scumhunting.

where is the scum hunting in that post?

Leading question. I didn't say I was reading that post as town for scumhunting. His demeanor and tone scream town in it.

regardless, given it's a response to my case on him, he'd have to make a post like that regardless of alignment. it's not a good idea to write him off as town for it.

re: trolling: it is literally the easiest shit to fake as scum. I strongly disagree with you (or anyone else) writing CN off for shit troll posts that have literally no town motivation (although no explicit scum motivation either, but the point is it's null). not to mention, in this particular case I could see it as obfuscation and trying to discredit my case on him, but whatever

Again, tone and demeanor.

have you read through my case 3490? what do you make of my points 6, 8, and 10?

I haven't read much from you after I got a townread on you.

[Majiffy]

btw plz plz plz look at the ML/ABR D1 wagons.

...

what are your thoughts on this?

All-town wagons happen. I just finished a large with an all-town D1 wagon on Mastin of all people.

I'm not analyzing townlynch wagons from D1.

[Majiffy]

why do you think that comes from a town POV?

Because he looks town and you have blinders on.

He hasn't been particularly loud about you at all as of late. And he has been increasingly loud about his other two mentioned scumreads.

Play is consistent, even if you don't want it to be.

he has both Anti and vezok as "lol not sure why they're voting me". however, afaik there is literally no effort the entire game day to actually ask and try to understand their votes on him. the actions he's taking over it don't add up from a town POV. instead, he goes to straight up discredit.

It was a direct response to a direct question.

Maybe he doesn't give a shit.

no it fucking isn't. his entire demeanor re: me has just been fucking around and trolling (even in that post we get: "you just threw 'manipulate' in there to make Tammy feel better"), and it's not hard for an experienced scum player to fake the amount of anger that's shown here. there is literally nothing about it that's hard to fake.

what about his tone/demeanor do you think screams town that he couldn't fake as scum?

I'm not sure how to answer the question because the only answer I can provide is

his tone.

It's like asking "what about A440 sounds like A440?"

mind reading through points 6/8/10 and telling me your thoughts?

A bit, yeah. I'm lazy and it doesn't affect me.

re: VCA: I think you're misundestanding my point. Titus was

on

the ABR and ML wagons. they can't be all town. there's confirmed to be at least 1 scum on there. along with the composition of the rest of the wagon, this indicates that they're scum driven wagons, which doesn't make any sense if both {pander bears, CN} are town. it's not about just 1 wagon, it's about the movement of the wagons over time.

You're going to have to start over and fully explain the scenario because there's a lot of shit in here that probably requires backinfo I don't have and don't feel like looking up.

[Majiffy]

Lol Titus doing things that make sense

[Majiffy]

There are a number of entities that still haven't weighed in since I replaced in.

Notably, everyone on your wagon except Pie.

[Majiffy]

I probably scared the Jiffy out of 'em.

[Majiffy]

I crack me up.

[Majiffy]

Your VCA leaves something to be imagined.

Still not interested whatsoever in what you're selling.

[Majiffy]

Your VCA leaves something to be imagined.

Still not interested whatsoever in what you're selling.

why do you disagree with it?

Well, for one, I'm not seeing anything you're describing in your posted VCs.

[Majiffy]

Spoiler:

Albert B Rampage

(3): Lord Mhork,

Titus

, sharpest-knife-on-tree
massive(2): Pander Bears, pixel
pixel(3): Antihero, PeregrineV, vezokpiraka
Magister Ludi(1): Chandra Nalaar

Titus

(3): Magister Ludi, Tattletale,

Albert B. Rampage

mastin2

(1):

zMuffinMan

Pander Bears(4): massive, iamsteve,

mastin2

, Kagami
sharpest-knife-on-tree(1): Trustworthy

Not Voting(1): Phantom

--------------------------------

Albert B Rampage

(4): Lord Mhork,

Titus

, Tattletale, Chandra Nalaar
massive(2): Pander Bears, pixel
Magister Ludi(1): Trustworthy
Pander Bears(4): massive,

mastin2

, Kagami, sharpest-knife-on-tree
Chandra Nalaar(6): F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Antihero,

zMuffinMan

,

Albert B. Rampage

, vezokpiraka, Magister Ludi
F-16_Fighting_Falcon(1):

PHANTOM

Lord Mhork(1): PeregrineV

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Albert B Rampage

(2): Tattletale, PeregrineV
massive(2): Pander Bears, pixel
Kagami(1): Magister Ludi
Magister Ludi(8):

mastin2

,Chandra Nalaar,

Titus

, Trustworthy,

Albert B. Rampage

, sharpest-knife-on-tree, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Lord Mhork, Antihero
Pander Bears(2): massive, Kagami
Chandra Nalaar(2):

zMuffinMan

, vezokpiraka
F-16_Fighting_Falcon(1):

PHANTOM

Not Voting(1): Chandra Nalaar

1. Pandeers/Rampage/Titus/Pixel all competing wagons.
2. Rampage/Pandeers remain. Titus/Pixel wagons dissintegrate in favor of quick CN wagon.
3. All wagons disintegrate. Ludi wagon forms.

There isn't really much to be garnered from these VCs you posted. And your claims based off them simply don't follow.

[Majiffy]

Plus, 3 VCs does not a very good VCA make.

[Majiffy]

so, tell me. how many times have you seen a single town wagon break down in a single game? max.

What, a wagon on town? Or a wagon consisting of all town?

Question is unclear. But in regards to either one, probably a million times.

Wagons come and go.

[Majiffy]

Join the club.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy who are you thinking you want to vote?

Someone in {Antihero, Vezok, SKOT}

Not sure which yet.
How long do we have until deadline?

[Majiffy]

Oh jesus 48 hours

[Majiffy]

VOTE: SKOT

AH is probably town. Fucking stupid with blinders on, but town.

[Majiffy]

I didn't see much in his ISO that supports his CN vote.

Looks like he placed a vote knowing a wagon would form there, and spent the rest of the day going "wah! this wagon should be going through!"

And I don't know why he thinks CN is scum other than "he's scummy".

[Majiffy]

If SKOT is going to be a real wagon, I have no issue switching to it.

Hop on, son.

We must counterwagon the Pandeer.

[Majiffy]

Oh god that heavy jpg'ing around the words... *shiver*

[Majiffy]

Do I need to start shouting and stamping my feet in here?

[Majiffy]

I dont understand why people are synthing pander

Their claim is very likely to be metal

So... why are we synthing them?

[Majiffy]

Does anyone else have a New Phyrexia watermark? And want to admit it, of course.

Anyone with a new phyrexia watermark who's town should claim right now

Plz elaborate.

[Majiffy]

My watermark looks like a sun.

[Majiffy]

a wagon on a single townie? how many of them do you see per game.

for me it's once (or

maybe

twice).

Depends on the game. All you need are the following;
1) A scummy townie
2) A vocal minority keeping the wagon from going through
3) No vig

Ta-da, daily wagon foreverandever.

[Majiffy]

Idk I'm voting him.

[Majiffy]

I think we should stop talking about watermarks.