Alice in Wonderland - [Game Over!]

[Vi]

No. Not a gambit.

I need to do this now becausemy claim is scummy as hell and viscum would love to take a shot

If your claim is scummy, then why is Vi in particular the person that you're worried about?

Vote: Aronis

(L-8)

[Vi]

D

Vote: Aronis

(L-8)

You

do

exist!

I'm currently away from my computer, so it's something of a quantum Vixistence.

[Vi]

I think ns is town

You're scum

[image of bus]

Why is this your response when you're not voting for anyone?

[Vi]

I think ns is town

You're scum

[image of bus]

Why is this your response when you're not voting for anyone?

Alternatively, if this is your response why are you not voting for anyone?

[Vi]

Someone who has experience with Viscum know if Vi is fluffy as scum? I know she is fluffy as town, but idk as scum.

Vi is a light and everyone else is flies.

VI

Daykill: 4burner

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I chose NS because NS and I don't like each other.

I won't ask you to go into much detail, but why?

w.r.t. Aronis - I'm fine with Prof. Fridays' endorsement of him.

Unvote: Aronis
Vote: 4burner

(L-7)

@Salamence: Why specifically are you voting for reinoe?

[Vi]

I chose NS because NS and I don't like each other.

I won't ask you to go into much detail, but why?

Salamence

, please answer this.

I have no prior experience with the vast majority of this player list, Aronis included.

I will confirm that I'm in a Neighborhood with

Nobody Special

notscience and reinoe, and I sure hope that wasn't necessary to keep silent for whichever reason. I also agree that there's a not-insignificant chance that one of the other two members of the group is scum, hence me asking the question above.

[Vi]

Vi: With all due respect, what does this have to do with anything?

I'm trying to key into how to read notscience for reasons listed above; granted on second (well, third) thought your reasons for disliking him are probably different from my current reasons for finding his play non-kosher.

Salamence, I'm impressed with your ability to provide the voice of reason ITT. The setup speculation in this thread (three pages after typing this:

it's still going

) is going really deep into irrelevant dumbness.

I know you aren't calling me Scum, nor did I indicate at any point that I thought you were. You did, however, imply that I was not being helpful, and that's the part that got on my nerves. I would rather be called Scum than useless.

With all due respect, your posts really aren't helpful to anyone except yourself (if that). Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Thirdly, 4burner is in my neighborhood, so either NS is reaching or 4burner slipped.

I really want to say it's the former. That notwithstanding, my vote remains.

[Vi]

Unvote: 4burner

I'm not convinced.

[Vi]

Anyways, let's talk a little. In the only two games I played with you (with you as town), you have been more pre-emptive in the beginning then more fluffy in the middle. That's my worry, you are fluffy, yes, but maybe a little too much in this game.

Well, the truth of the matter is, I do what I want. Most of the time, what I want involves telling people that they are willfully hopeless at Mafia and/or social interaction. But really this is the same game I've wanted to play for several games now. I'm Town (like always), I'm in the kind of game I haven't been in in years (mostly), and I'd like to have my fun and see if I can score.

With regard to your questions,
1) Aronis questioning your claim is <adverb> dumb. I'm willing to take Prof. Fridays' meta on him because generally people who throw those meta defenses out are correct.
2) If it were anyone else doing what Titus is doing I would be calling a classic setup speculation scum tactic. That said, this is Titus; if the word that's come to me in my retirement is accurate the best word is "incurable".
3) You're going to cause me to revoke your "voice of reason" compliment, because this is a terrible question. First, notscience's attempt at a slip offense is far-fetched to start with. Second, considering that both me and notscience have come out and said that we're in a Neighborhood, anyone who doesn't know it by now is simply not reading the thread. With regard to which, if any, of the two others in the 'hood are scum, I don't know. I believe I can figure it out with time.

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@Natirasha: I change my avatar each time I die in a game. While this isn't my favorite avatar, I'd prefer if I had it for another month or so.

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Vote: notscience

(L-6)
Blatant sheeping of Malakittens, who has usurped Salamence's place in my heart.

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Malakittens: QTs are closed during pregame, dahling.

[Vi]

Okay, all I needed to know for now.

Will probably talk more when Day 2 starts (if we are both alive that is). Not sure why, but just the thought of trying to communicate with reinoe about notty's posts via PT/QT will be like hell in a handbasket. Plus I kinda trust you, I don't know why?... (Guess that's weird of me to say. <.<)

Well, I repeat.
Not exactly Bird Jesus but always Town, obviously Town, etc.

Since you're referring to Day 2 starting, I'm assuming you endorse the 4burner wagon?

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@Kat: The reasons were already given, albeit by someone else. I'm not interested in lynching someone whose reaction to a flashwagon looks like that, though.

My question is why you're so set on discrediting me.

[Vi]

Although thinking about it. I'm kinda shocked that the QT/PT was closed during pregame or even confirmation stage.

Considering that this is something that at least two other people can confirm at will, I would suggest that attempting to meta FakeGod in an attempt to verify this will only lead to more confusion and a heap of wasted time.

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For Katsuki -
1) notscience gave the reasons someplace; find them, deal with it.
2)

Why do you trust Vi of all people right now?

This cupcake is actually a mudcake.

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I know how you change your avi, Vi. I seem to remember you doing it then being revived once.

Then if you're suggesting that I should die soon, I would politely inform you that--er, I can't find Oman's video of him flicking off ABR in several creative ways, but that's the gist of the message I would like to convey.

[Vi]

Well cuz you

[Malakittens]

said you like it for town, yet don't trust it outside the neighbourhood. Sooooooooooooooooooo

This isn't actually contradictory.

The thing about 4burner is that he's treating his lynch as a foregone conclusion. That's not what I'd expect from 4burner's flavor of scum.

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@Salamence: I've been insisting that I'm obviously Town for something like five years now. But more importantly, I suppose I have to return to a more familiar playstyle for a few moments...

WRONG. You said pretty much there would be scum in the hood. Also you were willing to follow Reinoe's and NS's lead. So no.

I also agree that there's a not-insignificant chance that one of the other two members of the group is scum, hence me asking the question above.

I did not say

there would be

; I said

it's more likely that there is

. This is something called "reading comprehension"; people who get good SAT scores use it a lot.

Oh, and there's another one.

I really, really, really don't like this. You defend a vote against Reinoe, but you will vote NS?

@Salamence: Why specifically are you voting for reinoe?

At this time, it looked like you were voting for reinoe because he's faking a post restriction. I base this on your post 70 in which you literally say that you are doing this in no uncertain terms. Granted I'm only now looking back on it and seeing that he was saying in post 79 that he

had

a post restriction and didn't want you to do anything about it, but either way, that on its own (either having a post restriction or admitting that it's a fake post restriction) isn't a solid reason to vote for someone, so I asked if you had more. This is not to be expanded to a blanket Town read on reinoe unless that's the best you can do given a marginally functioning intelligence.

Also, fluff fluff floof. I hope that this method of speaking to you convinces you that you are in fact playing with Vi.

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That's because Katsuki has done nothing at all. His posts are all filler.

This is actually untrue. Katsuki has been pushing the 4burner wagon hard (and trying to sway Malakittens off of reading me as Town).

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Sixth, with regard to 4burner’s neighborhood knowledge, that seems pretty damning to me. While I don’t think scum knows exactly every neighborhood (necessarily), but certainly they would know those in their scummates’ ‘hoods. (Again, I think this was brought up already but meh.)

I was hoping for better from you.

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Wagons onto 4burner, with not much hullabaloo. This is after accepting Friday's vetting of Aronis. (This is an ongoing theme of readily given trust...)
Then states that she wants to believe that NS is reaching on me, but that the "Vote stands"
Calls out NS for the reached case, but still followed it onto voting for me.

notscience said more about you than the infoslip. I didn't realize this would be difficult to understand.

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In the entire decade I've known Vi, I never once would have called him awkward.

(Have you been paying attention?)

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In light of what I said in my first reply to Salamence, I feel that I would be repeating myself to say to the group that

YOUR ATTEMPTS TO ABUSE MOD META TO CALL PEOPLE SCUM AND TOWN ARE IN FACT BAD AND WRONG

, but even so. In addition, the attempts at cases made on me assume that I engaged in blatant, unjustifiable doublethink (simultaneously endorsing notscience's infoslip garbage and rejecting it) and suggest that the people on my wagon don't know how to read (specifically, read me, but read in general) and are falling back on whatever it sounds like people are cool with.

I don't have time to decide what I'm doing with my vote right now.

[Vi]

NS did indeed say more than the scumslip. But the scumslip is all anyone wants to talk about so what's a boy to do?

Wagons onto 4burner, with not much hullabaloo. This is after accepting Friday's vetting of Aronis. (This is an ongoing theme of readily given trust...)
Then states that she wants to believe that NS is reaching on me, but that the "Vote stands"
Calls out NS for the reached case, but still followed it onto voting for me.

notscience said more about you than the infoslip. I didn't realize this would be difficult to understand.

Unvoting me (given that I've explained that I'm not voting you for it and that's the bulk of your reason for voting me) and getting a move on instead of playing victim would be an excellent start.

To speed things along by cutting your objection off, at the time that I voted for you notscience hadn't explained specifically why he was voting for you, which means that I saw what he saw. There is no issue of me offering "readily given trust" to notscience; however, post 119 explained the case well enough that I didn't feel I had to offer my own version.

[Vi]

Wait a minute.

I'm on my phone at the moment, but didn't someone say that they were in a Neighborhood with 4burner?

[Vi]

Then why, somewhere under the "if you think I'm Mafia" line, did he assert that only daychat is confirmed? I've already mentioned that my chat didn't have pregame talk, but that may not necessarily be true for other private threads. In particular I expect that scum got pregame chat, and that if he has more than one chat thread, and one of them was locked, he may have focused his attention on the other one, which was more relevant to him.

[Vi]

Vi, we do not know if mafia do have pregame chat.

Idk a game that hasnt

My point. Did the heartschat have pregame talk?

Also @Konowa: you should read the posts with halo Altaria because I probably spent too much time making that.

[Vi]

I generally have fluffmode and vindictive justice mode depending on my mood and how much vindictive justice needs to be dispensed. I prefer the former.

Also and specific to Sixty, my hydra partner has not-necessarily-vindictive justice mode and fluffmode in that order of preference. (since I bet she's reading this: I'm on my phone, I'm not putting in color tags)

Paradox Prime needed a lot of justice.

[Vi]

Wait, no, I'm dumb. He's saying that the infoslip requires scum to have pregame chat.

Never mind.

[Vi]

Reinoe looks really town

How so?

[Vi]

This suspicion about someone in his hood being involved in a bussin comment.

It reminds me of my paranoia flaring when I saw burner mention all 3 of us.

So.

Similar reactions=similar motivations

Still lost, unless you're claiming Neighbor with rack.

Bussing jokes are never stylish but that doesn't seem like reason for a solid Town read on someone for calling that out.

In addition, reinoe's posts have basically equated to wagon jumps/justifications for the easiest reasons available.

Vi, please answer the probablility of scum having pregame chat.

Very high. To answer your next question, I thought 4burner was suggesting that his Neighbor chat may have been open for pregame.

[Vi]

I've a question for 4burner.

Who

off

your wagon is scum? Options are below:

YOUR WAGON:

MattP, Natirasha, Reinoe, Konowa, Prof Fridays, Aronis, hiplop, Salamence20

rack, Vi, Marquis, notscience
Malakittens
Le Cupcake, Skullduggery

Titus

[Vi]

That's a rather disingenuous question.

I disagree. It's certainly less so than Salamence's; come on now.

[Vi]

That's a rather disingenuous question.

I disagree. It's certainly less so than Salamence's; come on now.

It essentially asks who in the pool of {rack, marquis, skull, mala, titus} is/are scum.

...I have no idea how you got that. It's like I worded what I said the way I wanted it to come across or something.

In addition, I think it's a bad idea to give my answers to questions I want someone else to answer ahead of time for what should be obvious reasons.

[Vi]

...

[Vi]

L-1?

That's not L-1, dahling.

Youre dead. Im sorry if you were town.

I know the feeling

Y'know, if you have to apologize to someone for lynching them, you're doing it very wrong. I'm just saying.

[Vi]

Hi, I'm pretty sure I have a 100% success rate at reading Neighbors.

reinoe is most likely Town!
notscience is most likely notTown!

Vote: notscience

(L-7)

[Vi]

VOTE: notty

Still wanna chat w/Vi

It's 1:21 in the morning and I'm feeling

great

*.

Let's go.

*This is a lie.

[Vi]

PEdit: WHAT'S WITH THE NS VOTES?! Wait, is he the third Alice?

For this line, "momentarily" happens now.

[Vi]

Same here. Same here.

So how was Notty in the Neighbor thread?

Catiuous, paranoid, hyper?

I wouldn't describe him as any of those, so much as obtuse. He still only had one scumread (me) for the same reasons as before (bad). He basically blew off any attempt to productively communicate effectively with me or reinoe.

[Vi]

but seriously just imagine being locked in a room with him

for

two

Night phases

[Vi]

Although he did wish me luck with selling my case. Given this Day so far I'm quite pleased with his sportsmanship! ^______^

[Vi]

So I'm guessing he posted minimal?

A lazy attempt at a read list and retorts toward me.

Mala-Town
Marquis-Town
Skullduggery-Town
Salamence-Town
Prof. Fridays-nebulous
Konowa-nebulous
Natirasha-nebulous

[Vi]

(He's my neighbor and the way he catagorized his thoughts last night could only come from a town direction imo)

Bluff call. What's your Neighborhood?

[Vi]

we're the white rabbit(me) and Mary Ann(Prof Friday).

...we're playing Gilligan's Island Mafia?

The White Rabbit's housemaid. Alice is mistaken for her. She did not appear in the Disney film.

Oh.

...huh.

[Vi]

L-2, dahlings.

[Vi]

Natirasha - Most of Tierce's idiosyncrasies came from me.

Prof. Fridays - Night 3 is when you play the Charles Barkley game, right?

Aronis - Who should we be lynching?

CAN I NOT PLAY FUCKING LEAGUE

I found the problem!

Titus is town

...?

[Vi]

Not only can't I post, but FireFox is crashing.

I am totally fine with Aronis dying Tomorrow.

While I have

immense

personal satisfaction in this I suspect that notscience Townslipped in the part I mentioned earlier. Oh well.

[Vi]

In all fairness, rack is at best a PoE pick atm.

[Vi]

While I have

immense

personal satisfaction in this I suspect that notscience Townslipped in the part I mentioned earlier. Oh well.

Perhaps. I've known scum to pull that, though.

:hitoshrug:

To be clear, your take on Natirasha's alignment is...

[Vi]

Modkills come after full game days, fwiw. Don't get your hopes up that a third of the game is going to suffer plague.

And noone batted a fucking eye

I still get no credit. Alas.

[Vi]

You aren't getting credit for your last minute "oh well" after the lynch

To be fair you were at L-6 when I started that post.

Vi plz claim Mad Hatter.

[Vi]

These rules need clarified. Does full mean eight days. Or just a whole day phase, even if its only 5 min.

Generally speaking it's the answer where modkills are a last resort.

Also, it's kind of weird being on the

player

side of games exploding and needing to be closed overNight.

[Vi]

RVS is overrated

Scum do not have fakeclaims based on my character. Scum are random characters, regardless of good/bad.

I am town with a very anti-town day ability that I will use JUST ONCE to prove my claim on NS.

Dont ask me to claim, because when I use this ability, you will know who I am and see why scum dont have fakeclaims.

Lets discuss.

After a namecop got killed I came to the conclusion that Salamence is full of shit. Scum absolutely have fake claims otherwise there wouldn't be a name cop. Scum are not just regular character who happen to be scum. Scum are probably evil characters.

Huh. I didn't think of that. Good point.

Alternatively, if you don't think that scum have safeclaims (i.e. role is independent of flavor) then Salamence's line still doesn't make any sense.

[Vi]

To be fair, I was talking about flavor and namecops with Fakegod a few weeks ago and their efficacy and we came to the conclusion that you can use them as just a way to add power roles without adding power--I've done it, my senpai famously did it in his first game. It's whatever.

Sempai also did the negation, using a flavor Cop as a functionally full Cop.

I think you missed that game though.

[Vi]

2. Vi, why did you damn NS like that while blocked? For all the shit you gave me in the dead thread, ID LOVE to hear the reasoning for guiltying someone who was most likely obvtown WHEN YOU HAD AN UNCONFIRMED SANITY.

I'm impressed that you claim to have read the dead thread and yet didn't catch the memo that I was not in any way intending to indicate that I had results on my scumpartners, as evidenced by me justifying my reads by my Neighborhood. If I wanted you to know that I had mod confirmation, I would have said so. More's the point, I believe I and a few other people have made it clear that investigating Neighbors is a last resort - I really did have a 100% success rate at reading Neighbors up until now

without

the aid of other power roles. I'm not blaming you for not realizing this because it would have required you to know that I'm the single biggest proponent of Neighborizer as a nontrivial power role on this site. Third, there was a Townie in this game who was around during Day 3 who knew that I could not possibly have had two Cop results by that time (and SPOILERS, it was

you

). Had you called me on it I would have readily confirmed that I had no mod-given information about what I had said (while engaging in futility with trying to keep my Cop role secret).

In other words kindly don't be a dumbass.

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I mean I have a rule and that's 'always treat your neighbor as confirmed town in the absence of setup information', so I would still defend my play.

This, much like "always claim Serial Killer in your first post", is a bad rule; and treating your Neighbor like a Mason even more obviously a bad rule than that; and refusing to acknowledge that it's a bad rule makes you a bad player.

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At first I was going to say that the better team won even though the scum essentially did nothing (I need two hands to count the egregious, nontrivial, and obvious misplays Town made) but then I found out who the scum were in this game. This was a startlingly strong performance from the scum team. Salute!

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Thanks for modding, FakeGod! I know what it's like to put your soul into a game and have people kick you in the chest for it.

Though in my case the chest-kicking didn't entirely stop postgame.

[Vi]

In other words kindly don't be a dumbass.

This line was thoroughly unnecessary. I apologize.