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In post 6022, Rogue wrote:Confirmed scum in a group of 1
Let's not be hyperbolic.
It was scummy.
He's not confirmed scum.-
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That's asymmetric, and inherently harder to balance
But yeah possible.-
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In post 6037, Venmar wrote:Right, because that makes sense from my PoV.
*shrug* that's the reality of it.-
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In post 6049, Desperado wrote:Player E sees Player B visiting Player D.
Thanks. This is what I would have thought.
So the possibility that Feu performed a kill by itself last night and Toog redirected being internally consistent with Snowstorm's report is out.-
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In post 6061, BBmolla wrote:Implying that Feu was the last of his team
Or that he did what I said he did.
bbmolla wrote:Probably 2 + a recruitable traitor vs. 3 (but weaker than the 2) vs. town
*looks at the Metal Sonic full blown ninja flip*
bbmolla wrote:Jailkept Snow.
1. Why?
2. Where did the other NK go? Why are you not going after Snowstorm?-
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I'd forgotten that I've actually played with BBMolla before, in Mhork's Zelda game
(I'm Kagura, he's Molladoni)
and they were obvtown as fuck there-
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I thought that was your little dipshit paranoia 'oh that's cute thing'
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It was nothing like my play this game and you know it.
Go back and check. I'll wait. Like even AP didn't think it was.
I also refuse to believe that Mala would even let you entertain this kind of thing.
But if you're feeling serious niggles about me (and I can't really tell if you are from that post) why the fuck are you not engaging me at all since calling me supertown early game as is your MO.
Instead you've gone along with pretty much everything I've come up with.-
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In Tales? Yeah.
What does this have to do with either my actual meta from that game or anything about this game exactly? If you're not gonna actually meta what I posted there, why are you interested in taking this really awkward tangent?
Because you're really really skirting the issue here.Is this just a paranoia read or are you actually scumreading me and if so why the fuck-
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In post 6092, Toogeloo wrote:Occam's Razor states that Feu was the last Blue member andthat that team is wiped out.
Toogeloo wrote:Snow is probably town (forJiffy interactions)
Venmar is probably town (for early game andJiffy interactions)
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In post 6103, Toogeloo wrote:I don't believe certain members are associated to Majiffy due to relationship tells from early game.
Which suddenlyshouldbecome null to you if you are trying to posit that there are no more blue scum.
You're basically saying from those Majiffy interactions is "I don't think these guys are blue scum with Majiffy" (because red scum and town would be forming indistinguishable associative tells) and also "I don't think anyone is blue scum with Majiffy because they're all dead now"
Your reads are fabricated.-
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In post 6105, Toogeloo wrote:So take that as a fence sit, or whatever
I'm gonna take it as a scum slip if it's all the same.-
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In post 3757, Toogeloo wrote:Cloud 9 opened the evening with a vote for bork to be the nightkill. I came in shortly after voting for Snowstorm to be the killbecause I was under the impression any vig we had was planning to shoot him. Rogue came in after that and voted Speaker for the Dead to be the night kill. We stayed deadlocked at 1v1v1 for most the night, then PV came in, voted for Snow but said the vig would be stupid to shoot him. Cloud 9 then changed their vote to Snowstorm. Rubik never popped into the hood at all. We had maybe a dozen total posts through out the night phase, including the mods.
Toog wrote:Night 1, I tried redirecting bork to Nero. I was getting vig vibes from bork, andI didn't want him to shoot Snow, so I redirected him to Nerobecause I thought Nero was scum. Action didn't go through.
or as I like to say, "How can I basically ensure we don't get the NK objective?"
whereas the town thing to do (while ostensibly performing that [silly] redirect):
Say something to the effect of "hey Snow looks decently town, maybe the vig will agree, let's go for an NK predict tonight instead."
Or say LITERALLY NOTHING since the vote was already on me.
Instead you moved it TO SNOWSTORM while making it less likely that he'd get shot.
Seriously can we get rid of this guy?-
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I don't know about Venmar. The wagon speed here is giving me a lot of pause.
Toog's a better lynch. The cog-dis required to say that hisstrongest townreadsresult from negative connections to a member of a team thathe thinks has no living members (and therefore no scum to generate positive connections with Majiffy)is extremely blatant.
(This would be a lousy point even if there were blue alive - even he thinks there are two red.)
6105 is a backpedaly mess.
Also the game is probably 3 red 3 blue. MS isn't flipping Ninja as a member of the 'weaker' scum team when we have a flipped town tracker that was pretty much designed to catch blue making kills, not red making kills. Where does Red start to become weaker?
Venmar hop on.
Also BBMolla is being obtuse as hell about the setup / night actions / toog vs snow and it looks fucking terrible.-
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It's only been a negative force because people keep not listening to me.
I mean luckily we got ika and skot on the wagon yesterday, but we'd have been in an infinitely better position by getting Rogue and BBMolla on too and that's really the only reason I'm kinda squinting at you because I don't feel that the Feu wagon was in danger of falling apart and I am confused by why you just didn't wait it out.
Like it or hate it, the objectives are there to be achieved, and the setup was designed around having those abilities available. I haven't advocated finagling the lynch target to achieve them since D1 (and honestly even I realize that was a bad idea at this point), but Ihavebeen trying to organize the wagons especially when I feel we had a surefire scum lynch as we had with Feu yesterday, as I feel that this doesn't at all detract from scumhunting. My motivations here are really transparent and really pro-town and it's frustrating for me for people to be on totally different pages than me about it.
Regardless I don't want to lynch you today.-
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Anyway
I get what you're saying about Venmar. It's impossible to overlook what he did yesterday and he was actually really opposed to the Feu lynch early in the day until I explained what was going on (5760) so I am unsure why he's trying to take credit for being an influence on that lynch.
I just feel way more confident about Toog right now:
1) Feu flipped something that could viably contain a redirect/bus drive
2) Claim is bad, use cases for it are almost non-sensical from a town POV (like pointing it at a vig-read is so incredibly suboptimal that I am kinda floored)
3) His recent cog-dis on his reads by towning people because they're not a member of a team he thinks has no remaining members anyway
4) Anyone who believes in a 3 man blue team has to think one of Toog/Snowstorm is scum
5) Day 1 objective screwup thing followed by listing 2/3 scumreads that were in hoods already on the voting table, ergo no town motivation to do it
I mean there's a lot of shit here-
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In post 5668, BBmolla wrote:Tbh, I think what makes most sense is Snow's track claim is real, Toog is fake claiming on the same scum team as Vol that he redirected him because it's only the two of them left. This would explain why Vol made the kill when knowledge was out there that I jailkept him.
Or Vol is scum, AND Snow is lying
*shrug*
Also here's BBMolla hypothesizing Toog scum yesterday in the same manner as me
And today suddenly he's not even considering it-
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In post 6143, SnowStorm wrote:If I'm not mistaken, that vote prevented our hood from completing objective 5.
Nah, Feu voted you a few pages earlier.-
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In post 5668, BBmolla wrote:Tbh, I think what makes most sense is Snow's track claim is real,Toog is fake claiming on the same scum team as Vol that he redirected him because it's only the two of them left.This would explain why Vol made the kill when knowledge was out there that I jailkept him.
Or Vol is scum, AND Snow is lying
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Dude why are you being lazy and saying things that are objectively verifiable to be false?
You obviously made that comment after all the claims had come in considering as to how you reference both Toog and Snow's claim in that post
Then you come in today and go a completely different direction, positing a two man blue team even though you know in your heart of hearts that doesn't make sense because ???-
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Reads are:
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C9 (somehow turned into the best read I have in that hood by PoE)
ika (good gut vibes, generally doesn't care about going against the grain, ETL was really confident that the VT claim was some kind of reliable crumb)
Snowstorm? (flashes of paranoia but not many; could be scum if toog isn't)
Rogue?? (don't like ns' paranoia on me because it looks kinda posture-y, but other than that they've been town looking if not terribly useful. NS was strong out of the gate as he is when town. Wish Mala would engage more - that might be the worst thing I'm seeing from them. If one of the people in my scumreads from your hood flips town I might have to move them down)
(more question marks = more unsure. )
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SKOT (who the fuck knows; don't want to lynch unless I PoE everyone else alive)
Venmar (explained)
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You (I hate your angle on what happened with Feu re: 2 blue, your night action target was bad, general lack of usefulness)
Toog (well explained)
That's about where I am (I realize there are prolly 3 scum left). I don't feelsupergood about anyone, mainly because no one's really playing ball with me (except snowstorm, but even that's intermittent and I'm a tiny tiny bit paranoid that his scumreads align with mine right after I post mine)-
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In post 6187, BBmolla wrote:Unless you have a pants on head stupid theory about Fue being bus driver with Toog.
But you're not that dumb
Yes a one shot redir/bus driv in a scum joat role is clearly too far fetched to be true-
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In post 6196, Toogeloo wrote:I thought your previous argument was that I had to be red scum because I knew no other blues remained or some shit.
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In post 6218, ika wrote:If you think I'm scum c9 vote me. The only thing is I reserve the right to hammer myself.
I already stated I was going to get a hammer and I got it.
What is your obsession with hammering this game-
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In post 6171, Rogue wrote:Spoiler: bork's gonna yell at me for doing this again
I'm trying to figure out how to get back my interest in this game.
Meant to comment on this yesterday:
What are you trying to accomplish with pointing out your own scum meta? We both know I've seen you pull both 1) deliberately eliciting paranoia on yourself (a la Frozen) and 2) fading/lack of efforting (a la 346) as town.
Why do you continue to not only do it, but point out that you're doing it? I can't responsibly call it anything but null.