Touhou: MitLoF ~ Makai Mix (Game Over)

[haj]

Vote: Alchemist

[haj]

Explain.

[haj]

hi haj. welcome to the game. reads on everyone so far

-F

Not yet.

No, you explain your vote.

~Wis

I asked first.

[haj]

I asked first.

You voted first.

~Wis

Doesn't matter. If you're going to object you should explain why.

[haj]

Thanks for the updates. I don't feel like posting anything more of substance until Curiosity answers my question.

[haj]

Yes, epic. Vote me because you can't explain your townread. I sense the shivering already.

[haj]

Yes, epic. Vote me because you can't explain your townread. I sense the shivering already.

I do not need to explain anything. You need to explain your vote and you're still failing at doing it.

~Wis

I do not need to explain anything. You need to explain your townread and you're still failing at doing it.

The sooner you tell me why he isn't scum the sooner we can move on from this banal argument.

[haj]

pie, I get that you're super towny and all but you don't have to spout this baby talk to try and coerce me into playing how you want to. As soon as he talks, I talk. You can wagon me because of Curiosity's refusal to eat his ego and answer a simple question, but that'd be REALLY stupid of you! In my opinion, at least. There are better things to do.

[haj]

I haven't refused to do anything. It's coming, but you first.

[haj]

No.

[haj]

omfg


are you fucking dense?


vote's staying for now.

-F

I'm just wondering, and I'm not trying to be antagonistic here and this is a serious question that is VERY IMPORTANT TO THE GAME, but why did you feel the need to post this?

[haj]

because you are being anti-town by not co-operating and it is further cementing my scumread on you. explain your vote or perish.

-F

So you need to alert the townies every time your reads get a little more cemented/post every thought you have? Why?

I don't know if you've caught on yet, but I kinda don't care if I perish as long as I get to do what I want while I'm alive. You should be asking yourself whether scumreading my obstinance into an eventual lynch is the best play here or not. In your shoes, I'd probably tell Curiosity to out his townread on Alchemist. Until then the game's going to spiral further and further down into a pointless and vitriolic argument leading up to an eventual mislynch. By then you'll not have gotten as much as you wanted from day 1.

But, hey, your choice. Every other towny's choice, too! Just realize turning the game into a "haj is scum" echo chamber is pretty unwise.

[haj]

Part 1 of that post is a serious question BTW.

[haj]

You don't have the right to ask me a question right now, haj, until you explain your vote.

p-edit: i assume this is sonic-head. Why is haj town?

p-edit2: hi sakura~

-F

Your response has been noted.

[haj]

gaiden town i believe

also back to

VOTE: mollie

~Wis

Stop intentionally dodging my question.

[haj]

I realize that post can be interpreted to be deeply ironic but it isn't.

[haj]

I'm not going to answer your question.

~Wis

Why?

[haj]

Because you've still not explained your vote.

~Wis

Does your townread hinge off of my reasoning for voting him?

[haj]

Because you've still not explained your vote.

~Wis

Does your townread hinge off of my reasoning for voting him?

Nope, as you can see in my reads when I first posted, he was town already

~Wis

Posting townreads that you are unable to articulate isn't actual content.

[haj]

Because you've still not explained your vote.

~Wis

Does your townread hinge off of my reasoning for voting him?

Nope, as you can see in my reads when I first posted, he was town already

~Wis

Posting townreads that you are unable to articulate isn't actual content.

I didn't know we were discussing whether I am posting content or not. Nice discussion twist.

~Wis

It all stops when you post a simple paragraph. I'm sorry that you're so deeply annoyed.

Haj, are you an alt?

Haj answer this

Irrelevant.

[haj]

refusing to explain a vote isn't actual content, haj.

yep. totally fucking scum

p-edit: mollie, i'm not townreading curiosity. they're null.

-F

True. I am glad that you have now used 8 posts to say that I am scum. Makes me feel all warm inside.

Haj, are you an alt?

Haj answer this

Very relevant. Answer it.

1) No, and 2) Why does it matter? Hoping to meta me?

[haj]

Screw what, Dreams?

[haj]

Vote: Jakuzure Nonon

I've had enough.

[haj]

Nothing, but no one's gonna even lynch him anyways so why bother.

p-edit: opportunist.

-F

So, first he's right about me being town, then you agree, then you don't think I'm town but chalk up the unvote to a lost cause?

[haj]

No, I'm just getting tired on Nonon's bullshit wagon testing. I doubt she'd have unvoted me there as town after expounding about how I was scum for 8 posts without be actually elaborating on my read on Alchemist. She flipflopped in the post immediately after my vote, though.

[haj]

without me*

[haj]

Besides, if there was someone to OMGUS as a natural continuation of my massive shitposting it would have been Curiosity, not the person who was sitting there sniping at the sidelines trying to fit in.

[haj]

I'm, like, pretty confident in my vote.

Townreads are Curiosity and pieguy. I have a visceral townread on Gaiden but I could abandon it at any moment.

[haj]

wow, haj. you really are fucking dense.

-F

Why?

[haj]

Is there anything wrong with my reasoning for voting you?

[haj]

You seem to be getting flustered.

[haj]

If I explain my first vote, will you answer my questions?

[haj]

@Nonon

[haj]

i'm fucking ignoring you for the rest of the game.

That's scum. Flopping like a fish and desperately trying to ignore a post that they regret making.

[haj]

No it isn't haj. That is null.

Do you think he's town?

[haj]

haj I disagree with your fei scumread

~Wis

I see no reason to do so until he stops dodging pertinent questions simply because /I/ posted them.

[haj]

Isn't it also queer that he's repeating that you're scum rather than answering you when you asked a pretty similar question?

[haj]

Oh, fine.

[haj]

Dreams, still waiting for you to tell me why you wanted to know if I want an alt.

[haj]

was*, not want.

[haj]

Please quote every unsigned post and attribute it to one of your heads.

[haj]

He spend his entire time arguing about why he should explain things and attacking people for wanting him to.

Considering that isn't what really happened, you should probably reread that entire interaction before you post again.

But, hey, everyone who was posting tonight has basically covered the same ground you're posting on already. Ignore me for a sec. What do you think about mollie, but more importantly, what do you think of Nonon?

[haj]

Nonon is town, mollie is probs town.

~MTD

(also I'd actually like to synch with Aronis sometime, what I am saying up to now is entirely me unsynched...)

Is Curiosity and mollie TvT?

[haj]

I don't see why you need your second head to talk.

[haj]

This dickwaving contest is TvT.

[haj]

When can you and mala post individually not as a group?

Pedit - haj you arnt better yourself

What do you mean?

[haj]

This dickwaving contest is TvT.

holy shit

you're scum

With Curiosity?

[haj]

I thought tvt was a reaction face and you where insulting the current discussion for no reason. Not tvt in my eyes but i agree this 1v1 isn't getting us anywhere

No, it is TvT and we'd do better if we focused on real scum.

Scum theatre?

hell

yeah

Reaching.

[haj]

Hop on the Nonon wagon and you'll see what I mean about this being TvT after (s)he flips scum.

[haj]

Hop on the Nonon wagon and you'll see what I mean about this being TvT after (s)he flips scum.

How would nonon being scum influence your reads on curious george and captn mollie?

Read her voting pattern + reasoning after 375.

If you don't see it, that's a post for after she flips. If my theory isn't going to be worth shit at any point in the game because tweedle dumb and tweedle dee are going to get eachother killed on two consecutive days then it isn't worth the keystroke effort.

The hydra I'm voting is a fairly easy read though and it'd be good if we could get on that quickly!

[haj]

Finally. Wrong vote though.

[haj]

The pink hydra's strategy of sniping from the sidelines to push along wagons while staying under the radar worked, I take it?

[haj]

Pay attention to me!

[haj]

8 posts about haj being scum

-F

fei, haj is prolly not scum. Move on

~Wis

his refusal to cooperate is going to be a hindrance to town.

that said, you're probably right after thinking about it

UNVOTE

-F

Vote: Jakuzure Nonon

I've had enough.

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What is town about anything he's doing?

Nothing, but no one's gonna even lynch him anyways so why bother.

p-edit: opportunist.

haj EDIT: (in response to my vote)

-F

No, I'm just getting tired on Nonon's bullshit wagon testing. I doubt she'd have unvoted me there as town after expounding about how I was scum for 8 posts without be actually elaborating on my read on Alchemist. She flipflopped in the post immediately after my vote, though.

wow, haj. you really are fucking dense.

-F

Is there anything wrong with my reasoning for voting you?

EXPLAIN YOUR PREVIOUS VOTE, YOU PIECE OF.....im not gonna finish that sentence.

i'm fucking ignoring you for the rest of the game.

-F

If I explain my first vote, will you answer my questions?

i'm fucking ignoring you for the rest of the game.

didnt you say you agree he is town?

This post looks like you still think he's scum

~Wis

Guess who didn't answer these questions while continuing to post for 30+ minutes?

Lynch it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[haj]

A tale of deceit and mafia gameplay, as spun by haj. You read it here first.

[haj]

Saying two contradictory things in two minutes without explaining why/avoiding every question about it?

[haj]

You're being too level-headed. Unleash the beast. You know you want to.

[haj]

Him.

[haj]

BTW, I want every player's opinion on the quote wall I posted on the previous page.

[haj]

It is of paramount importance. Defcon 5 super 5 government 5 shit.

[haj]

beeboy (4): Kagami, pirate mollie,

UNZAN

, Dreams of an Absolution

Ok there is something wrong here...
I have a paranoia about hidden votes being scum motivated, which makes beeboy more likely town methinks.

I don't think /that/ should make you think he's town.
What I REALLY want to know about beeboy is why he would abandon his vote just so he could post an ostensibly completely transparent softclaim that nobody would fail to notice.

[haj]

Or, if that's not the only reason, why he voted him.

[haj]

Woot.

[haj]

gah

is haj a wake alt?

I'm not /an/ alt.

[haj]

A frustration-driven unilateral attack is being thrown at me by forums poster purple hero.

[haj]

I can't hear your accusations over the unbearable whirring of the chainsaw in your hands.

[haj]

I can't hear your accusations over the unbearable whirring of the chainsaw in your hands.

you don't even know

what that means

Oh, sorry. I mistook you for someone who was attacking me in order to throw attention off of someone else.

No idea who pink hydra is i recognize some by there avatar not name will get back to this

hey

i'm antihero. i don't know you.

my partner is ms marangal (she hasn't posted yet). i don't know if she knows you.

Kinda egotistical. I was not in fact referring to you as pink hydra; I was referring to, you know, the other hydra with the pink avatar who had actually been posting within 4 hours of my reference to them.

[haj]

You are, unfortunately, not the hottest shit on the block. At the moment at least.

[haj]

Pink hydra = Purple Hero, their avatar looks pink.

I might shoot myself.

[haj]

Oh, sorry. I mistook you for someone who was attacking me in order to throw attention off of someone else.

[this "someone else" goes unnamed]

/fart

Nonon, obviously. It isn't even subtle.

You are, unfortunately, not the hottest shit on the block. At the moment at least.

lol 'mkay projection master

You're the one who dedicated 5 or so posts in a row to me. That has to count for something, right?

[haj]

I sense tons of people posting who really pondered the case on Nonon.

Antihero - what did you think about the last post I made towards you? No retort? We had such a good rapport going but you just stopped posting.

beastcharizard

- This guy is just weird. Weird-reading him. He gets caught up on the most stupid stuff.

I don't really understand why wake is so reviled. I had no issues with him in either of the games I've played with him in.

Me either! Although I suppose that's because I don't know who he is considering this is my first ever game on MS.

i think we should be voting the person i'm voting

"i don't want to make actual posts! please don't make me!"

tbh i looked at kagami again and im really actually not happy with her iso

Agreed.

oh also, the main reason I'm townreading jakuzure comes from their treatment of haj. "I guess he's town, but I'm still gonna call him out on his shit". I can def relate to that kind of attitude where they're frustrated at how much of a dumbfuck he's being and want to just yell at him.

I mean, she said I was town in one post and then said I was scum in the next and never elaborated. It seems much too much like scum buckling. It's ironic that she's called me opportunist because I think both of her votes yesterday were just that.

[haj]

And, of course, by yesterday, I mean IRL time.

[haj]

The fact that she isn't getting as much attention as she needs among the active players is criminal.

[haj]

No clue.
Ank is townish. More town than scum.

[haj]

I take it jingle is your partner then?

No

Fo real, I wanna see a list of some sort from Alchemist and beastcharizard. Any kind of list, really.

[haj]

I take it jingle is your partner then?

No

Fo real, I wanna see a list of some sort from Alchemist and beastcharizard. Any kind of list, really.

You see, you have no power to ask anything of anyone. Have you even given a reason for your vote yet?

It's been clearly established to anyone who has the power to think and give a fuck that my initial vote was a reaction vote.
I know you give a fuck, so that only leaves . . .

[haj]

Antihero - what did you think about the last post I made towards you? No retort? We had such a good rapport going but you just stopped posting.

believe it or not, i have other things to do besides talk to you

i know, astonishing

Yeah, other, less-important things.

[haj]

Who is mod-confirmed? Am I missing something?

[haj]

Time is mod-confirmed with

S

h

i

n

k

i

.

This is post #4.

Awkward. Shouldn't have skimmed over that.

[haj]

And the shinki thing should be dropped. It's a flavor confirmation and nothing more.

Flavor isn't alignment indicative in this game, so there has to be some mechanics reason for why Time was mod confirmed. Innocent Child is the role that fits the bill.

No, the OP makes it very clear how alignments were organized, and it's also the same method that is very much in vogue with the super-mods these days. Alignment is very likely mostly independent of role and completely independent of flavor.

The confirmation is relevant in that it means Time has a role that is suitable to the Shinki flavor, and shouldn't be further investigated until appropriate.

I'm getting confused.

[haj]

This wagon feels wrong.

[haj]

Let's do my wagon instead.

[haj]

Most of the last few pages has been garbage.

[haj]

haj also suddenly disappeared.

maybe weekend

I'm reading pretty much every post. I'm just waiting for at least 1 flip. I'm not used to deadlines being this long.

I'd do more shitposting to redirect the wagon onto Jukuzure but it'd probably be all in vain. I don't really know why the wagon disengaged in the first place.

[haj]

That's just 5 people. 16 people are posting normally. Which means the game is moving normally. You're just lurking, no excuses.

~Wis

You mean 14?

Dreams- 336
Curiosity- 390

That's more than double the person with the third most posts, hardly normal.

Nice deflection.

[haj]

Because jakuzure is town.

Why?

[haj]

I read the interaction between you and caled that made you say "you can be town then" and I'm bewildered as to how or why it changed anything. Did you only scumread them in the first place because you thought that they scumread you?

[haj]

Can we wagon time?

I wanted to earlier but I'm extremely confused about whether or not he's a confirmed townie or just a confirmed character and why that matters.

[haj]

VOTE: Kagami

[haj]

That was a post explosion.

[haj]

haj, why did you hammer?

Why didn't you unvote when you saw it was L-1?

The tension was clearly killing both of us.

[haj]

I'd rather they vig the two-headed Feirei beast if you flip town. Or scum, really.

[haj]

there is quite a huge difference between a L-1 vote and a hammer vote

the latter ends the day and cuts off discussion

I don't particularly mind, but meh

So you don't mind, but "meh?"

[haj]

So you don't mind, but "meh?"

it would have been nice to, you know, get a claim and not end the day until everyone is ready

but I prob would never have fixed the read, so yeah

I know nobody would have changed it. That's why I ended it.

[haj]

Kagami, where is your nonon read?

[haj]

^ I agree.

[haj]

W/ tellin him to stop, that is.

[haj]

Vote:Haj

The process from this post and this post to this hammer vote was so scummy I'm surprised no one even saw it. He just asked everyone to wagon himself, soft-defends the K-wagon, then take no action and stall for a while until the mislynch is complete. Jingle is still scummy but this is the gem shit

Tons of buzzwords. You also neglected pretty much every post I made between the ones you quoted which clearly stated that I was weary of the day and wanted some flip, any flip. Kagami's townflip makes Jakuzure's ISO much more lynchable now that we finally have a flip.

VOTE: Jakuzure Nonon

Now, this won't change until one of us is dead, nor will I produce any more relevant content until one of us is dead.

[haj]

And no, I did not ask everyone to "wagon myself". Your interpretation of my posts might be one of the biggest stretches I've ever read in a mafia game.

[haj]

Tons of buzzwords. You also neglected pretty much every post I made between the ones you quoted which clearly stated that I was weary of the day and wanted some flip, any flip. Kagami's townflip makes Jakuzure's ISO much more lynchable now that we finally have a flip.

VOTE: Jakuzure Nonon

Now, this won't change until one of us is dead, nor will I produce any more relevant content until one of us is dead.

How does Kagami's flip in any way make Nonon more lynchable?

~MTD

I'm sure you can figure it out if you use your brain. Judging by your posts in this game, the thing needs some exercise badly anyways.

[haj]

Gaiden, if you think I'm scum, just vote me instead of continuing to imply it for 20 more posts without doing anything. I don't want my eventual lynch to last for 10 days. Rather it be two or three. You can lynch Nonon afterwards, though.

Also, you are saying you actively lynched a town player just to make the others believe more in your scumread on another player?
That sounds almost as bad as fakeclaiming to me...

~MTD

Yep.

[haj]

I sense that Time has been focusing on me for 80% of his posts this game as an excuse to not produce more content. Look into it next, townies!

[haj]

I will answer it after you lynch her.

[haj]

Jakuzure is most likely town, haj. Please stop tunneling them.

~Wis

You lost your credibility after starting two TvT wagons back to back and derailing the game for most of D1 yesterday.

[haj]

as an excuse to not produce more content.

Lolno, it is true I mostly focused on you, but I in no way used that as an excuse

~MTD

They'll get what I mean, really. Not too worried.

[haj]

Haj wagon sucks

Vote alchemist people

~Wis

I'm the hot wagon of today as Kagami was yesterday. I will die a

martyr

!

Or maybe a pointless casualty as they pick another tomorrow. Either way.

[haj]

I sense that Time has been focusing on me for 80% of his posts this game as an excuse to not produce more content. Look into it next, townies!

Just after saying you won't produce more content until you or Nonon is dead?

True. I'm bad at not posting.

[haj]

Yeah I don't care about that. They're most likely town and I'll stop you from tunneling them if I can help it.

~Wis

You said the same as I voted Alchemist out of the gates on D1. I think you need to cool your jets for 20 seconds.

[haj]

I am seriously considering policy lynching haj right now (I have no scumread on him, but he does hurt town, and even admits to it), but I guess that'll have to wait.

Wis, answer question?

I do not like the voteswitch, but I still need more of a case

~MTD

Are you serious?
After making 20 posts about how stupidly retardedly scummy I am you say that I'm town but you want to policy lynch me?

[haj]

Oy vey. (I'm jewish by the way)

[haj]

Time/Fei hydra are two scum.

[haj]

I was being dramatic. The point I'm getting at is that you're a parrot in real life rather than a human.

[haj]

Time/Fei hydra are two scum.

Neither is

~Wis

This posting is getting on my nerves.

[haj]

We should, perhaps, heed Kagami's advice and ignore Wisdom for at least two day/night cycles.

[haj]

I know, but when I do it, it's endearing. When Wisdom does it, it's just annoying.

[haj]

Epic post.

~haj

[haj]

Anyway, I THINK I've figured out why I'm not getting an ear in this game. Behold, the new title under my name. My reads are now just as credible as Wisdom's.

[haj]

Vote:Haj

The process from this post and this post to this hammer vote was so scummy I'm surprised no one even saw it. He just asked everyone to wagon himself, soft-defends the K-wagon, then take no action and stall for a while until the mislynch is complete. Jingle is still scummy but this is the gem shit

Tons of buzzwords. You also neglected pretty much every post I made between the ones you quoted which clearly stated that I was weary of the day and wanted some flip, any flip. Kagami's townflip makes Jakuzure's ISO much more lynchable now that we finally have a flip.

VOTE: Jakuzure Nonon

Now, this won't change until one of us is dead, nor will I produce any more relevant content until one of us is dead.

You seem to have given up right after the post, you didn't even try to derail the Kagami wagon in any posts after you said it was a bad wagon. I could see that you wanted a flip, but it's quite bad logic to want a flip on a wagon you didn't think would turn out to be scum. You actually had posts after that didn't remotely concern the Kagami wagon, which feels like you're coasting.

Oh, shut up. She was getting lynched 100% and Nonon wasn't and you and I both know it. This is mudslinging of the most idiotic proportions.

[haj]

haj please forget about Jakuzure and look at npiau and Alchemist, thanks

~Wis

I've looked at every player in the game. Wagoning the fei hydra is my final decision.

I gotta go now.

[haj]

Haj,

You avatar is against site rules, putting fake Scummies in your avatar is not allowed. It may lead to a loss of avatar privileges.

Warns sonic

Thanks. Didn't know. It was just for a joke post anyway.

[haj]

Oh, shut up. She was getting lynched 100% and Nonon wasn't and you and I both know it. This is mudslinging of the most idiotic proportions.

Nonon wasn't, but it doesn't mean you couldn't have other scum read. It's the same with the 1v1 you're trying to impose today. My guest is you're either lazy town or coasting scum, both of which is sorely anti-town. What's your reads on other players?

I have them. Just not posting them until Nonon's dead.

[haj]

That

is how important this lynch is to me!

[haj]

prod dodge

[haj]

I feel like I should be posting in here drunk.

Make some dope, epic, drunk posts online.

[haj]

I wish you guys could lynch actual scum rather than hopping from wagon to wagon after realizing how idiotic you are.

[haj]

This is /kinda/ starting to make me angry. The wagons with the least resistance aren't going to be the ones you find scum on. The ones with inexplicable resistance such as Nonon's are the ones you're going to find scum on. I thought that was a no-brainer, really.

[haj]

Bonus points: Nonon was on both the Kagami and Om wagons. This is starting to stack up, no?

[haj]

Yea, it's a guilty.

[haj]

Bonus points: Nonon was on both the Kagami and Om wagons. This is starting to stack up, no?

So was Alchemist, so was Jingle. Vote them.

~Wis

No!!!!!

Yea, it's a guilty.

?

~Wis

Is that confusing?

[haj]

The one on Nonon.

[haj]

Believe the flip, not me.

[haj]

I didn't bring it up, pie and Dan did. I wanted to play it close to the vest but this town is spiraling dangerously and retardedly out of control.

[haj]

Yes!

[haj]

Hurry, my pawns.

[haj]

I still prefer lynching Jingle/Alch than trusting haj to a guilty

~Wis

I can't say that this wasn't utterly predictable.

[haj]

I'll dip out now. You guys can decide what to do with this info.

[haj]

No

[haj]

Rest assured though, because Nonon is a confirmed scum slot

[haj]

Do you honestly think I care?

[haj]

The fact that there's this much resistance to a plain-english guilty that's been softed for days means that scum is doing it intentionally or that the townies need to get their heads out of their asses. Wisdom in particular.

[haj]

I don't see a cause for you to think that I'm lying about this.

[haj]

That account isn't me; it's a scum tactic to discredit the report.

[haj]

And a roleclaim is supposed to encourage people that it's real? There's no point in claiming my full role. The flip will confirm that I wasn't lying.

[haj]

This isn't a bastard.

[haj]

I pray for the day when the townies see through this garbage.

[haj]

inb4lyncher

People will sadly use this as an excuse to not lynch you.

[haj]

inb4lyncher

People will sadly use this as an excuse to not lynch you.

CLAIM YOUR FLAVOR OR I WILL DAYVIG YOU.

Dayvig: Time

[haj]

Oh, I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?

[haj]

No?

Well, then, allow me to retort:

Dayvig: Jakuzure Nonon

[haj]

We can lynch scum, but ignoring me won't help you do it.

[haj]

You are "reminding me of a noob from epicmafia who only cares about roles."

[haj]

yeah id rather nobody ever claims, but this is different. I'm not going to listen to a thing you say until you give me exact proof.

~Wis

I am one-hundred percent never claiming my full role.

[haj]

That won't stop me from shitposting about it.

[haj]

I will make myself **unignorable**. I've already though of a few ways to do it.

[haj]

thought ***

[haj]

Literally?

[haj]

yo haj, when i flip town, will you run away and hide?

What is the point of posting this, exactly?

[haj]

Hopefully he doesn't

spring

out of this lynch once again.

[haj]

Haha. I slay me.

[haj]

Wow.

Odd

. Someone that you said was scum unvoted off of someone you said was town at L-1.

[haj]

Well, you know, he already was. And then he unvoted.