Robin Williams Mafia - rememberance - game over

LimMePls · Post Post #790 (isolation #0) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 4:47 am

vote:nacho

Have only read first couple and last couple of pages. Full reread with notes tomorrow.

LimMePls · Post Post #828 (isolation #1) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:01 am

First things first, I'm not a fucking noob, and I know how to read a vote count. I definitely knew I was hammering. I don't think town-Nacho replaces in at L-1 and fluffs around. His entrance screamed scum to me. Way too much cute "hope I can evade death" posting with no sense of urgency I'd expect from town in that situation.

Normally when replacing into games I like to read the game unspoiled, and make notes as I go along, as if I were a player in the game at the time the posts are being made. Unfortunately post 0 is not spoiler blocked, so I already saw the flips.

Since the thread is locked while I'm writing this, quoting is hard. I'm going to do it when I feel it is absolutely necessary, otherwise post links will have to do. Here are my notes during reread (done during n3, so no d4 flip info):

DOMO-Plagiarist RVS interactions seem scum-scum to me.

Adelina post 107 is scummy. Claims to have cautioned other head of hydra that he's new, then flips out when he does something crazy newbie (and not alignment related). Then says "but I also warned her that newbies can get scum PM too", as if to qualify the whole thing as "maybe bad-town or scum", setting up for the "aww shucks" after NTM town flip.

Elmo post 114 is scum, probably with Adelina (but not required). Their interaction is BIZZARO world. See specifically:

Elmo wrote:Adelina - Im not liking the posts Ill be honest some of the posts are just eh and the Plot twist. I mean just becasue they've been on the site for X doesn't mean they don't carry some rust.

Adelina wrote:Second part, were you referring to our posts or NTM's posts?

Elmo wrote:Both.

First off, "Both"??? That doesn't even make any fucking sense in that context. Secondly, Adelina follows that up with this:

Adelina wrote:If you can give specific examples on me and Alina's posts, I'll happily discuss it with you.

Which, again, makes very little sense, and then Elmo never says another thing about it.

Adelina brings Elmo up again later here:

Adelina wrote:I would like to hear more from you wrt you scumreading people besides "their posts are eh" "their posts are blah" I'm not sure if you have or not yet, but once I'm done reading through the thread and I've found nothing satisfactory, then I will leave this question here. So, if you're reading this...answer, please.

Which seems fine on the surface, but then you realize that NO pressure or force is brought to bear on this when Elmo completely blows it off. NONE. ZIP. ZERO. NADA. It is COMPLETELY dropped. So, the purpose of all of that from Adelina wasn't scum hunting. So it was likely distancing. The whole Adelina-Elmo interaction stinks to high heaven.

Plagiarist post 209 is scummy. Specifically "I'm more and more thinking Dybeck is town". How many times in his posting had he mentioned Dybeck? If you guessed 0, you win a cookie. This plus his early D1 interactions with DOMO put him on the scum radar.

Elmo post 244 should earn rope all by itself. Seriously, go read that post.

DOMO 316:

DOMO wrote:Hmm looking at evil regals in ISO, I'm feeling town until he "fuck it" votes and then posts def scummy for someone he's not voting for, but then again elmo wasn't happening and NTM might happen, so his vote switch isn't so bad.

I'm not confident in my scumread on evil at all.

Look at that soft dismissal of an Elmo wagon, plus subtle smearing of ER, plus applauding mislynch vote.

That post = Elmo scum.

I had a town-crush on Evil Regals until post 486. "Elmo pls. I mean really... vote Titus". What the fuck is that? Still a town read, but really didn't like it. When Elmo flips scum, if game goes long and ER is still alive, this needs to be remembered.

Brandi post 489 is right on. So town.

Brandi post 504 is also good posting, although I don't recall anything being done with that. And, FWIW, while Elmo fits the lurker portion, he actually defended Reinoe somewhat.

I don't know how to parse the Titus-ika back and forth in day 3, but they unquestionably aren't scum buddies. I'm guessing more will be explained in due time.

TOWN
Brandi
Evil Regals
Ika
Titus
peregrinev
Ankamius
The Plagiarist
TheAdrienC
ELMO TEH AZN
SCUM

Vote: Elmo

LimMePls · Post Post #830 (isolation #2) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:44 am

In post 829, ika wrote:if you could visit someone who would it be and why?

Not familiar with term "visit".

LimMePls · Post Post #834 (isolation #3) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:55 am

In post 831, ika wrote:lets say you have a night action, who would you target?

i have a feeling i know several peoples answers already. something is not clickign right though.......

Depends on the type.

Investigative: Plagiarist
Protective: You
Manipulative (JK/RB/other): Elmo
Kill: Elmo

LimMePls · Post Post #841 (isolation #4) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:18 am

In post 837, PeregrineV wrote:Sure- something to do.

Protective: PeregrineV

Assume you can't self protect and pick again.

LimMePls · Post Post #877 (isolation #5) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:53 am

In post 865, TheAdrienC wrote:The fact that everyone wants me fucking lynched and is just toying with me and keeping me fucking around like I'm the Oakland Raiders
even though I have no shot at making it any further.

WARNING
WARNING
WARNING

Scum mindset detected. All hands man your battlestations. Fire at will*

*Not really, lets wait on ika's massclaim to play out. But seriously, it would take a miracle to make me not lynch TheAdrienC.

LimMePls · Post Post #880 (isolation #6) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:58 am

In post 878, TheAdrienC wrote:
Vote: LynchMePls

I think someone is trying to find the easy target.

o.O

LimMePls · Post Post #888 (isolation #7) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:39 am

Hypocrisy has been an unreliable scum tell in my experience. If it had come with answers to ika's request, I would have called 886 good posting.

LimMePls · Post Post #901 (isolation #8) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:20 am

In post 897, TheAdrienC wrote:
In post 895, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 892, TheAdrienC wrote:After I'm lynched, look at LMP and Plagiarist

What point is Plagarist trying to make in 886?

I lost my temper in another game and flipped scum. However, I wasn't all givey-upy in that one.

That's actually not what it's saying (at least how I read it). What it's saying is that you have been identified as scummy in a previous game when posting AtE, and in this one, you posted a giant mega wall of AtE. "lost my temper" != AtE

That said, I don't find it necessarily compelling, because you could just be an AtE poster regardless of alignment. You should swing for displaying a scum mindset in that giant AtE post, not because it was AtE.

LimMePls · Post Post #906 (isolation #9) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:33 am

In post 900, Evil Regals wrote:
In post 888, LimMePls wrote:Hypocrisy has been an unreliable scum tell in my experience. If it had come with answers to ika's request, I would have called 886 good posting.

I would have called it good posting, but he also did that with Nacho which could be an easy thing to do as scum and fake to get someone lynched.~

Citation if you don't mind.

LimMePls · Post Post #909 (isolation #10) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:34 am

In post 903, TheAdrienC wrote:Then lynch me. You said I'm your top scum read. You said there was no way in hell you were voting elsewhere. Where's your vote?.

In post 877, LimMePls wrote:*Not really,
lets wait on ika's massclaim to play out.
But seriously, it would take a miracle to make me not lynch TheAdrienC.

Don't worry. It's coming.

LimMePls · Post Post #910 (isolation #11) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:35 am

In post 907, ika wrote:hmmmmmm.....

intresting.........

im gonna give it another 24 hrs then ill vote and you can self hammer AC

This implies you've changed your mind about having found a game breaking strategy. Is that true?

LimMePls · Post Post #916 (isolation #12) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:39 am

I'm here too and more than happy to be L-1 or L.

LimMePls · Post Post #917 (isolation #13) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:39 am

In post 911, TheAdrienC wrote:I didn't want to be that guy who replaces out of games just because they aren't going well for him, but fine.

@Farside, replace me.

@Farside: Don't bother. This slot is marked for death.

LimMePls · Post Post #923 (isolation #14) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:44 am

Daniel Hillard/Mrs. Doubtfire VT

LimMePls · Post Post #926 (isolation #15) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:45 am

In post 918, Evil Regals wrote:Ugh, the more lynchMePls kinda posts the more I hate him >_> (not personal, just my townread on you is decreasing, idk why)

That genuinely makes me sad. C'est la vie I guess.

LimMePls · Post Post #953 (isolation #16) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:19 am

In post 951, ika wrote:unless if you are claiming what i beieve you are.....

theor sepc for everyone: 3 scums or 4?

i think i am overthinking it by having 4 scums and an sk in a 16 p game adn that in actuality we have 3 scums to begin with (2 now that domos dead)

I would imagine 3, but I've been away from site a long time. Was looking at size of town versus size of scum in large games recently for work on a game I'm planning to mod, and based on what I've seen, 4 mafia and 1 sk in 16 seems unlikely. I hesitate though because 16 player games when I was here was practically unheard of, so very limited experience with it.

LimMePls · Post Post #957 (isolation #17) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:32 am

In post 906, LimMePls wrote:
In post 900, Evil Regals wrote:
In post 888, LimMePls wrote:Hypocrisy has been an unreliable scum tell in my experience. If it had come with answers to ika's request, I would have called 886 good posting.

I would have called it good posting, but he also did that with Nacho which could be an easy thing to do as scum and fake to get someone lynched.~

Citation if you don't mind.

Well, I guess I'll do it myself.

In post 688, The Plagiarist wrote:
In post 1057, Obscurity wrote:What the holy fuck.

Apparently, active lurking as a tactic has been voted out by
vox populi.

...

@Mod: replace me, then.

In post 0, bubbajack8 wrote:Players: *denotes a prod

Majiffy
Obscurity*
-
Mafia Goon

Is this what you were referring to? Cause that seems like good posting too. Agreed that it is an easy thing to do as scum. That doesn't make it scum.

Spoiler: Visit Activity

Haven't answered: Elmo and ika

Seems like a good idea to have that stuff in one place.

LimMePls · Post Post #959 (isolation #18) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:43 am

In post 956, The Plagiarist wrote:someone is lying.

Go on...

LimMePls · Post Post #962 (isolation #19) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:03 am

In post 961, The Plagiarist wrote:
In post 958, ika wrote:plauge claim.....

Are you sure?

YES. This is what massclaims are for.

LimMePls · Post Post #971 (isolation #20) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:49 am

In post 963, The Plagiarist wrote:
In post 962, LimMePls wrote:
In post 961, The Plagiarist wrote:
In post 958, ika wrote:plauge claim.....

Are you sure?

YES. This is what massclaims are for.

I asked him, not you.

And yet the answer was the same.

I'm getting some popcorn, cause this is shaping up to be awesome.

LimMePls · Post Post #980 (isolation #21) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:20 am

@Mod: Standard weekend V/LA for family duties

LimMePls · Post Post #981 (isolation #22) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:27 am

@Mod:

VC seems to be missing votes (either where they are on people, or in the "Not Voting" category) for Peregrine, Ika, and Elmo.

Fixed

LimMePls · Post Post #984 (isolation #23) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:20 am

In post 983, PeregrineV wrote:Still want Elmo to go first.

Glad I'm gonna be V/LA this weekend.

LimMePls · Post Post #992 (isolation #24) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:51 am

In post 987, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Alright im going to sit with this game tomorrow

Times a wasting. Let's do this pls.

LimMePls · Post Post #993 (isolation #25) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:43 am

@mod:

Can you prod Elmo please. Wednesday was his last meaningful post (and calling it meaningful is charitable)

LimMePls · Post Post #1007 (isolation #26) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:52 pm

So Elmo didn't pick up the prod?

LimMePls · Post Post #1012 (isolation #27) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:58 pm

In post 1010, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:
In post 992, LimMePls wrote:
In post 987, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Alright im going to sit with this game tomorrow

Times a wasting. Let's do this pls.

My bad. Sinuses are killing me. Think I have a cold its woI.and bed. But I'll claim.
VT you want my flavor as well

Why would you not do the flavor as well? What is wrong with you. If you are town, you are REALLY not good at it.

Any bets on how long before we get the flavor?

LimMePls · Post Post #1014 (isolation #28) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:44 pm

In post 1013, ika wrote:your postering is not making me feel any better about your slot atm.......

Honestly don't give a damn. We're effectively in a limbo until we get it all out, so all this pissing and moaning about the order of the claiming, and the not actually claiming when we're supposed to is doing nothing but wasting our time and giving scum time to work out how to play around it. This mass claim should not be taking this long. The feet dragging is BAD for town, and I'm going to point that out. You can not like it all you want.

LimMePls · Post Post #1015 (isolation #29) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:49 pm

In post 1002, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 1000, ika wrote:
In post 896, The Plagiarist wrote:Investigative: Elmo/Evil
Protective: Peregrine
Manipulative (JK/RB/other): ika (JK), Adrien (RB)
Kill: Adrien/Ank

remember this activity?

he claims investigative role, yet who he DID check is not a player he listed in the investigative category.

Because he already checked him?

Why would he say he would check someone last night who he already checked? Does not compute.

LimMePls · Post Post #1017 (isolation #30) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:11 pm

In post 1016, ika wrote:the thing is, they both have indirectly told me their roles. i know full well why they are both bickering about who gets to claim last.

so yes we can sit in limbo all day and i wont mind it at all

Well, I'm so glad this game is all about you.

LimMePls · Post Post #1018 (isolation #31) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:12 pm

Wanna share with the class? Or are we just gonna twiddle our thumbs all day?

LimMePls · Post Post #1028 (isolation #32) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:33 am

In post 1019, ika wrote:you can twiddle thumbs. i like leaving scums guessing.

serious question though: whos scum and why?

I've already made my reads perfectly clear. I will say Elmo is a little less interesting because it would be a BOLD lurker-scum play to drag his feet like this during a massclaim. AC's "I can't live anymore anyways" mindset from that give up post is as scummy as it gets. If we were ready for a lynch, right now, I'd vote AC. If I had one, I'd put a bullet in Elmo.

All that said, the number of flipped VTs + number of claimed VTs makes me think they probably aren't both scum. I don't know the site meta all that well though, so if the number of VTs seems off, I'd love to hear an argument for that.

LimMePls · Post Post #1039 (isolation #33) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:33 pm

Here and willing to hammer ika.

LimMePls · Post Post #1043 (isolation #34) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:52 pm

VOTE: AC

LimMePls · Post Post #1064 (isolation #35) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:59 am

I don't know what to say about this game right now. Can those of us not in the cool club maybe get some more clarity on what is going on? Wish I were in the neighborhood, or whatever the fuck it is you guys have going on.

I will say I was really uncomfortable with the "PROTECT ME" business late in the day from ER.

TOWN
Ika
Titus
Evil Regals
peregrinev
Ankamius
The Plagiarist
ELMO TEH AZN
SCUM

Equally happy with Elmo or Plagiarist lynches at this point.

LimMePls · Post Post #1066 (isolation #36) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:47 am

In post 1058, Titus wrote:Second, we need to figure out if two scum or three scum are left.

On a scale from 1-10, how important would you say this is.

LimMePls · Post Post #1067 (isolation #37) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:49 am

Also would like that question answered from ika.

LimMePls · Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:32 am

In post 1068, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 1065, ika wrote:
In post 1063, Evil Regals wrote:
In post 1060, ika wrote:mala did you figure out why i didnt want titus targeting anyone?

Yes but i still dont like how i was almost fed to the wolves

elaborate?

i know my plan worked but the mod didnt diclose everything to me.

i want to see if anyone can figure out what i did first

I hope you universally roleblocked.

Seems like it wouldn't have been relevant whether or not Titus protected anyone if it was a universal roleblock.

LimMePls · Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:57 am

@Mod:

Standard weekend V/LA for family duties.

LimMePls · Post Post #1107 (isolation #40) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:00 am

ika, is there a benefit to having us play 20 questions about what you did last night? If so, I'm not seeing it.

Not sure what to make of Plagiarist's hard push here. Flailing scum I guess.

LimMePls · Post Post #1112 (isolation #41) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:34 am

ika wrote:
In post 1107, LimMePls wrote:ika, is there a benefit to having us play 20 questions about what you did last night? If so, I'm not seeing it.

Not sure what to make of Plagiarist's hard push here. Flailing scum I guess.

somehwhat, keeps dicussion going at least.

Except it feels like useless discussion. If the mechanic you used to cause last night is what I think it is, you should probably explain it. Also, whatever happened to the potential game breaking strategy?

In post 1108, Evil Regals wrote::/ or really cofused town

Possible. That's how it read to me initially. It would be a bold scum play to attack ika right now. VERY bold. Which makes it seem earnest. But the slot is scummy for a multitude of reasons. It's possible Plagiarist figured he was in a 1v1 type situation, and decided a bold move was in order.

LimMePls · Post Post #1135 (isolation #42) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:44 am

In post 1126, ika wrote:guts say that it was lynchmeplz slot who got the wish and wished for day to end early

I know for a fact this isn't the case. If the genie knows who got the wish day 2 and they are still alive, they should speak up. Town wouldn't have wished for day to end in that spot.

LimMePls · Post Post #1157 (isolation #43) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:56 am

Alright guys, I had the wish today. I considered keeping it, and using it for a protective purpose, and that's why I was interested in how specifically ika used it. However, since we're potentially in MYLO, we can't necessarily count on a night protection to actually help us win.

So, here is what I've wished for: I have wished that the mod will quote the ending vote count of yesterday, state how many players alive at that time were not aligned with town, and how many of those not aligned with town were on that lynching wagon. I think those two pieces of information are critical to use navigating our current position to a win.

So now we'll both know exactly how many scum we're still facing, and even more critically, how many are among that wagon (and conversely NOT on the wagon). Should be very revealing.

LimMePls · Post Post #1164 (isolation #44) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:24 am

In post 1160, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 1157, LimMePls wrote:Alright guys, I had the wish today. I considered keeping it, and using it for a protective purpose, and that's why I was interested in how specifically ika used it. However, since we're potentially in MYLO, we can't necessarily count on a night protection to actually help us win.

So, here is what I've wished for: I have wished that the mod will quote the ending vote count of yesterday, state how many players alive at that time were not aligned with town, and how many of those not aligned with town were on that lynching wagon. I think those two pieces of information are critical to use navigating our current position to a win.

So now we'll both know exactly how many scum we're still facing, and even more critically, how many are among that wagon (and conversely NOT on the wagon). Should be very revealing.

Now that it's been granted, who are the 2 and why them?

The idea was to partition the remaining players, hoping that one of the pools would contain more scum than the other. As for who are the two scum, I'd bet a large sum of money on Plagiarist. The claim is already hugely suspicious, and the play has been equally bad. I honestly don't see how Ika is scum here, so that seems to imply Titus as the other, but there is still a lot of confusion around those roles. I think, given this most recent revelation, we need full claims from everyone with full targets and wishes and everything. My only hesitation on Titus is that Bodyguard is an insanely bold fake claim for scum. When PRs keep dying and he doesn't, it puts him in an incredibly awkward position.

PeregrineV wrote:This makes shos and Evil confirmed town. Would like them to start dumping total thoughts into the thread about the 2 remaining scum, and how they came to that read.

Not so fast, I asked for the total number of non-town to also be stated, and that wasn't explicitly stated. Have a PM out about it right now. If there are only 2 remaining scum, then yes, those slots are conf. Will advise when I've heard back, hopefully it'll get cleaned up in thread.

LimMePls · Post Post #1165 (isolation #45) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:30 am

Missed Ank in there. He's actually more likely number 2.

LimMePls · Post Post #1166 (isolation #46) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:50 am

Plagiarist and Ank. I'm feeling it. Also makes this:

In post 504, Brandi wrote:I'm starting to think that perhaps many of the consistent posters are actually town and the scums really are inactive.
I need to look back and see if anyone was really wanting Reinoe dead or suspected him.

Even more prescient than I already thought it was. Nails the Ank slot to a T (although it was Lowercase who was pushing Reinoe, not Ank, it was the same slot).

LimMePls · Post Post #1172 (isolation #47) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:39 am

In post 1168, PeregrineV wrote:However, 16 is usually 4, so is it 4mafia+SK, or 3mafia+1 SK= 4?

That's the crux of the issue, and why I wanted total number of non-town as well as non-town on that wagon. Even if we aren't given this information, that would probably be an issue for late game LYLO. With 2 confirmed scum on that 5 player wagon, we're not lynching outside that pool today.

So, worst case, 1 of PV/Elmo/ER are scum. Best case they are all town.

Guys, can you please make a list of claims, preferably with links to the places where they claimed?
also are we sure there are only 2 scums in the game yet and not 3? the game started with 16, and 3+SK is highly townfavorable imo. 4 scum in a 16p makes sense.

Pretty sure ika listed the claim chart this game day. Should be easy to find. Massclaim went down yesterday, so just go read it.

LimMePls · Post Post #1173 (isolation #48) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:47 am

In post 1171, shos wrote:Guys, can you please make a list of claims, preferably with links to the places where they claimed?
also are we sure there are only 2 scums in the game yet and not 3? the game started with 16, and 3+SK is highly townfavorable imo. 4 scum in a 16p makes sense.

Given the amount of town power, I'm feeling less good about 3+SK. Which means there is 1 in that small pool of players. However, I've got a PM out, I'll see what is going on with that, because I was told my wish was legal, so we should get the full info. Regardless, even if we aren't given that info, we're not lynching outside of AC wagon today. It should be intuitively obvious why.

LimMePls · Post Post #1174 (isolation #49) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:48 am

In post 1147, ika wrote:3 peregrinev - geinie
8 Ankamius - vt
9: Ika - vt
11 Evil Regals - inventor
13 shos - vt
14 LynchMePls - vt
15 Titus - bg
16 The Plagiarist - some sort of investigative shit

tell me when your all caught up

LimMePls · Post Post #1175 (isolation #50) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:49 am

Gotta stop referring to Elmo, sorry about that.

LimMePls · Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:17 am

Apparently the part of my wish that said it wanted the number of living non-town was missed. Not sure how that'll be resolved. Carry on.

LimMePls · Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:39 am

In post 1179, shos wrote:
In post 1177, LimMePls wrote:Apparently the part of my wish that said it wanted the number of living non-town was missed. Not sure how that'll be resolved. Carry on.

is the mod going to fix his error or not?..what did he say?

She, and:

Not sure how that'll be resolved.

I'm working on it. Relax.

LimMePls · Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:40 am

In post 1185, shos wrote:why are people scumreading anka? his ISO reads quite fine. not too large, but generally OK, and his claim isn't squeaky.

Did you ISO the others who had his slot?

LimMePls · Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:42 am

Mainly it's a POE thing. Mostly:

I honestly don't see how Ika is scum here, so that seems to imply Titus as the other, but there is still a lot of confusion around those roles. I think, given this most recent revelation, we need full claims from everyone with full targets and wishes and everything. My only hesitation on Titus is that Bodyguard is an insanely bold fake claim for scum. When PRs keep dying and he doesn't, it puts him in an incredibly awkward position.

Given this, Plagiarist + Ank is the pretty clear bet.

Also, what do you mean by "his iso reads quite fine". Details please.

LimMePls · Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:58 am

In post 1191, shos wrote:1. where is the quote from? why is ika not scum? I got real scumvibes on him; and how does ikatown imply titusscum?

It's from me. I said it earlier in regards to PV asking me which 2 of the 4 are scum.

I forgot Ank in my initial analysis, so I figured Plagiarist + one of Ika and Titus, and since I don't think it's Ika, that left Titus. Once I realized I had missed Ank, that made the Titus thing not an issue. I still quote that because BG doesn't seem like a s

I'm not convinced you've fully read the game if you don't see why I don't think Ika is scum.

I also couldn't POSSIBLY disagree with you more about BG being an easy scum fakeclaim. I've already explained why.

but also that means LMP can be scum, and the mod's answer can be actually anything. "quote last VC of yesterday and post 2 and 3" would yield same result. the last part was 'forgotten'?

If you think the wish power could force the mod to LIE to players in thread, then yes, it actually means pretty much nothing. Was this advertised as bastard?

LimMePls · Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:01 am

FWIW:

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So many game. Large game includes 90's cartoon mafia

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Backup or Co-Mod - venmar
Backup or Co-Mod's Experience - need to research this
Backup or Co-Mod's Commitments - will ask

Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game? [Yes/No] no

LimMePls · Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:03 am

Also, I've been informed that had the mod realized I was asking for both those pieces of information, they would have told me that was not allowed. So, we'll have to make due as is. If I had to have picked one or the other, it would have been this, so it's not the WORST, but if I had been told that it would have failed, I may have saved the wish for something else. Anyways, here we are.

LimMePls · Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:11 pm

In post 1200, shos wrote:
In post 1159, farside22 wrote:A puff of smoke appears in the sky.

A voice comes booming.

"A blast from the past"

Suddenly you see this appear.

In post 1055, farside22 wrote:
Vote count
:

Peregrine (0)
AdrienC (5) Titus, Anakamius, plagiarist, Ika, LynchMePls
Ankamius (0)
Ika (0)
Evil Regals (0)
ELMO TEH AZN (0)
Lynchmepls (1) andrienC
Titus (0)
The Plagiarist (1) Evil Regals

Not voting:

Peregrinev, Elmo

Voice:
The knowledge you seek is 3 town and 2 are not.

The smoke clears.
This is not a lie. the wish could be 'post "the knowledge ou see bla bla". it's not that the mod said "of the five on the wagon, 3 town and 2 are not".

Alright, well, it's mod confirmed to me. You guys make of it what you will.

LimMePls · Post Post #1208 (isolation #59) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:05 pm

In post 1206, ika wrote:you probally already said this but what was the wording of you wish and what did mod say and stuff.

the last few pages and everything have been me in pissedoff mood so i like only glossed it

I can't quote mod communications, so paraphrasing will have to do.

**NOTE**

Everything I'm about to say is paraphrasing. I am not quoting any communications.

Here is the rough play by play of how it went down:

When I received the wish, I was given instructions on some limitations. In order to make sure I understood, I asked if I would be allowed to clarify if a wish was legal before I submitted it, or if I would just have to submit it and hope it was legal. I was told I could ask if they were legal before submitting them.

Titus said in thread he wanted to know how many scum were remaining. I asked for him to put it on a scale of importance, from 1 to 10. He said 9.

I asked the mod if I wished for the mod to state in thread how many living players were town aligned, and how many were not town align, if that would be a valid wish. The mod said it was.

Later, I was thinking about other possible investigative uses of the wish. It occurred to me that asking how many scum were on a wagon would be really powerful, potentially even game breaking if the wagon had all/none of the scum. So I asked the mod if "I wish for the mod to quote in the thread the final vote count of the previous day and state how many town aligned and non-town aligned were voting the lynching wagon" was a valid wish. The mod said it was.

I still held onto the wish at that point, because I wasn't sure if I should hold it for a possible game breaking protective strategy (which you had alluded to). Thus my pushing for "why we're playing 20 questions" and why you weren't just telling us what you did. On further reflection, the fact that we were potentially in MYLO made me think that saving the wish for a protective use was not optimal, since a mislynch now could render a no kill moot. So, hoping I could get the best of both worlds of my previous wishes, I asked if basically the same wish above, but with "and how many living players are non-town aligned" sandwiched in was a valid wish. The mod said it was. I then replied that I wished to submit that wish, and posted in thread that I was submitting that wish.

After I saw the results, I asked the mod if they had just inadvertently left off the other part of the wish. They said they had not seen the other part of the wish when they said it was valid (I guess they just thought I was asking the same question again. I dunno). I asked if they had seen that part, would the wish have been valid. They said it would not have been. Since they said it would not have been valid, I figured that was the end of the road. If I had been told I could have one or the other, this is the one I would have chosen anyways, so it seems like only a small harm (if any) was done. If I had been told no, there is the chance I wouldn't have used the wish at all at that point in time. But anymore discussion about that seems like crying over spilled milk.

So here we are.

LimMePls · Post Post #1217 (isolation #60) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:42 pm

In post 1216, Titus wrote:Yeah I don't see a role claim in PV's ISO.

Someone has been granting wishes. PV is only non-claimed. 2+2=?

LimMePls · Post Post #1225 (isolation #61) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:17 am

In post 1222, Titus wrote:
In post 1220, ika wrote:titus, who GRANTS the wishes in aladdin?

The genie but I want to hear PV claim to be the genie and that he has wishes before I protect him. I want to see who it is best to use my protect on. Protecting a named townie is NOT the best move here.

This makes 0 sense. Why is a claim required when it is perfectly clear from known information.

LimMePls · Post Post #1234 (isolation #62) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:47 am

In post 1225, LimMePls wrote:
In post 1222, Titus wrote:
In post 1220, ika wrote:titus, who GRANTS the wishes in aladdin?

The genie but I want to hear PV claim to be the genie and that he has wishes before I protect him. I want to see who it is best to use my protect on. Protecting a named townie is NOT the best move here.

This makes 0 sense. Why is a claim required when it is perfectly clear from known information.

This needs explaining. Titus' recent play makes me very uncomfortable.

What is the town purpose of a vanilla cop? Fakeclaim buster?

My thoughts on the order of lynching the wagon line up pretty closely to ER's. Obv switching me for ika.

LimMePls · Post Post #1245 (isolation #63) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:54 am

I'd lynch ankmius for 1242. Everything that has happened since his last substantive post, and all he's got is response to setup spec?

LimMePls · Post Post #1251 (isolation #64) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:50 pm

Standard VLA

LimMePls · Post Post #1254 (isolation #65) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:39 am

This thread.

I dunno what else to say that I haven't already said. Waiting for plagiarist/replacement before I'm gonna vote.

LimMePls · Post Post #1256 (isolation #66) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:59 am

In post 1246, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1244, Evil Regals wrote:Tell me how a town vanilla cop fits into the number of roles that we have here after you take into account there's a SK-PR flip and a Mafia-goon flip. Balance wise tells me this is likely a scum role who had to claim genuinely due to IKA.

As far as I can tell, we have four claimed PRs and two dead ones. How doesn't it work?

ER, that was directed at you. Since we can't seem to get Ank to engage on anything else, please don't let this conversation die.

LimMePls · Post Post #1259 (isolation #67) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:51 am

In post 1257, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 1236, Titus wrote:If PV is not the genie, then that makes sense.

PV's wishtrail can also show who cut that lynch short when DOMO tried to frame/fish me.

DOMO used his wish to cut the day short.

Gotta go reread the DOMO day 2 stuff.

It's in his flip description. He is a spinach-activated Vig, and he vigged DOMO.

Why couldn't DOMO flip be Nacho's kill?

LimMePls · Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:02 am

That DOMO-titus interaction. Wow. Either it was a brilliant scum-scum gambit (and I mean fucking BRILLIANT), or titus is pretty much guaranteed town. I mean, so brilliant, I'd be willing to lose the game to it.

Maybe we should just lynch plagiarist. Gonna wait for tomorrow, and then, unless anyone I have a strong town read on has an objection to moving the game along, I'll be voting.

LimMePls · Post Post #1268 (isolation #69) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:54 am

In post 1267, Titus wrote:PV, I want an accounting of all wishes in a post.

Didn't we already work this out in thread? What more do you need to know?

LimMePls · Post Post #1273 (isolation #70) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:34 am

In post 1270, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 1264, shos wrote:
In post 1262, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 1171, shos wrote:Guys, can you please make a list of claims, preferably with links to the places where they claimed?
also are we sure there are only 2 scums in the game yet and not 3? the game started with 16, and 3+SK is highly townfavorable imo. 4 scum in a 16p makes sense.

4 scum (not counting the SK), means one of you or Evil Regals is scum.

That is, assuming LMP is town.

Not really. Even if we assume LMP is scum, unless her wish was to make Farside post erroneous information as mod-confirmation of a game fact (thereby making it a bastard game), then we can still assume 2 scum on the adrien wagon, which leaves my question above the same.

First, it's "his", not "her".

Second, FWIW, shos had a point when he observed that the mod just said "The answer you seek is 3 town and 2 non-town". So, it wouldn't be "bastard" if I wished something like "Just post in thread 'The answer you seek is 3 town and 2 non-town'". Also, on further thought, even were that not the case, I think this situation would fall under "lies that can be reasonably expected". So, you'll have to factor your read of me into how much you trust the wagon sensor.

@Titus:

Here is the information we have on the wishes:

DOMO: Wished to end D2 early.
ika: Wished to mass-doc N4 + have night targets declared.
LMP: Wished to wagon sensor D5 and have results announced in thread.

Still waiting on Plagiarist.

LimMePls · Post Post #1280 (isolation #71) » Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:35 am

also I think I asked like a thousand times but, is there a claimlist?

Pretty sure it's be given multiple times too. Let me quote myself quoting it for you:

In post 1174, LimMePls wrote:
In post 1147, ika wrote:3 peregrinev - geinie
8 Ankamius - vt
9: Ika - vt
11 Evil Regals - inventor
13 shos - vt
14 LynchMePls - vt
15 Titus - bg
16 The Plagiarist - some sort of investigative shit

tell me when your all caught up

Vig flipped already, and almost certainly never got a kill in. Pay attention pls.

In post 1266, The Plagiarist wrote:prod dodge, will post later today after work.

Vote: Plagiarist

LAL. Also, he's scum.

LimMePls · Post Post #1285 (isolation #72) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:32 am

In post 1283, shos wrote:meanwhile UNVOTE:

This feels really anti-town to me.

@Titus: How strongly do you feel about Ank over Plagiarist?

LimMePls · Post Post #1287 (isolation #73) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:05 am

In post 1282, farside22 wrote:(expired on 2014-10-31 08:30:00)

TIMES UP PEOPLE. Lets do this please.

LimMePls · Post Post #1291 (isolation #74) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:59 am

So shos is basically claiming scum.

LimMePls · Post Post #1294 (isolation #75) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:10 am

In post 1292, shos wrote:how so?

Because you call me town, which means there is a mod confirmed 2 scum on the AC wagon yesterday, and since you call me town that means 2/4 players on that wagon are guaranteed scum to you, but you're going outside the wagon on the chance that your view of ER is right. Not at all town minded, especially considering that we're at/under 20 hours to go, and NO ONE HERE has any desire to join you in an ER wagon.

The only way that makes any sense to me is if you are scum with the 2 scum on the AC wagon, and you think you're going to end up in a 3 way lylo involving ER, and need to get to smearing them now.

LimMePls · Post Post #1298 (isolation #76) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:27 am

In post 1295, shos wrote:Dude.
if
there are 4 scum, as in 3 scums left, then there is one scum outside of that wagon. meaning it's either me or ER. that makes it very easy.
I can either assume that there are 2 scums on that wagon, OR, that you are scum. I choose the first; now,
if there ARE three scums left
, then we're in mylo, and we have to lynch scum. why lynch a 50/50 chance when you can lynch ER?. or, if there are only 2 scums left, then a mislynch is not so bad. ER will flip town in that case, and we will still have exactly the same situation as we have now, choosing from the wagon.

Except that requires "if there are 4 scum" and also requires us seeing the game state from your point of view.

There is mod guaranteed 2 scums in 4 people on the AC wagon, but you're targeting the theoretical ER-scum that may exist outside it. Note the bold I added to your post, illustrating that you are making moves against a theoretical scum outside the AC wagon, when you have MOD CONFIRMED scum on the wagon. Which is another point to add to my "you are claiming scum" post above: You seem to already know that it's a 4 scum team.

The problem with your logic at the end is that yes, you may very well be in a 1v1 with ER. But now is NOT the time to work that out. Which, I think, town would understand.

LimMePls · Post Post #1299 (isolation #77) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:32 am

In post 1295, shos wrote:why lynch a 50/50 chance

Also, for the record, just because 2 out of 4 are scum, that does not mean it's a 50/50. We have game play info that makes some players more likely scum and some less likely scum. So pretending that lynching on that wagon is 50/50 is scummy.

LimMePls · Post Post #1305 (isolation #78) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:45 am

In post 1300, shos wrote:Oh I'm sorry I shouldn't be viewing the game from my own pov? then you probably shouldn't say that there are mod guaranteed 2 scums in those 4 people, yes?

No, but you have to work with the rest of us, and you can't expect us to.

shos wrote:
In post 1299, LimMePls wrote:
In post 1295, shos wrote:why lynch a 50/50 chance

Also, for the record, just because 2 out of 4 are scum, that does not mean it's a 50/50. We have game play info that makes some players more likely scum and some less likely scum. So pretending that lynching on that wagon is 50/50 is scummy.

lolwut.
the exact same can be said on me v ER, you know.

I don't know if you're being intentionally thick, or just not seeing it. So let me explain clearly:

If you believe the wagon censor, there are 2 guaranteed scum. While a third scum outside the wagon is likely, it is NOT guaranteed.

Pushing a lynch outside the wagon right now is CRAZY poor town play. Even if you believe ER is scum, that is a problem for AFTER now, not now. The reason is that suppose we're wrong on the setup, and it was just a 3 man team. We just hand them a win with an ER lynch (were you even able to convince me of her alignment, which I guarantee you aren't). We don't have to conjecture about the size of the scum team to KNOW that there are 2 scums on the AC wagon.

LimMePls · Post Post #1306 (isolation #79) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:46 am

In post 1303, shos wrote:
In post 1280, LimMePls wrote:

In post 1266, The Plagiarist wrote:prod dodge, will post later today after work.

Vote: Plagiarist

LAL. Also, he's scum.

can you even explain why this is a better chance?

Better chance than what? 50/50? Because his claim is scummy and his play is scummy. Added with the fact that 2 out of the 4 other players on the wagon are known scum, the chances that Plagiarist is not one of them are much lower than 50%.

LimMePls · Post Post #1313 (isolation #80) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:50 am

In post 1308, shos wrote:
In post 1128, Evil Regals wrote:I invented Flubber. I have a list of abilities, 1-shot, that im able to send to any player of my choice, however, i am not able to pick what is sent.

In post 1130, Evil Regals wrote:Doubtful, unless the inventions i have made reinvent themselves. If thats the case then its bastardful to give me a list for them to be something else.

Also compare to *this* claim.

How is an inventor a scum claim?

Vanilla-cop has a clear scum benefit: Identify PRs to NK.

LimMePls · Post Post #1347 (isolation #81) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:20 am

In post 1341, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 1330, shos wrote:ER said somewhere that PV was a 3-shot, is that just bullshit?

I will confirm that I may or may not have more wishes, if I am, in fact, a possible genie role.

If any discussion of the nature of the wishes occurred, then it was probably stated what wishes cannot grant abilities (cop, doc, etc.), although it appears that certain wishes can mimic the final effects of those abiltiies.

Also, has it been confirmed why there was no kill last night?

I took "cannot grant abilities" to be something like "turn me from a VT to a doc". That would not be allowed. But "protect X tonight" is allowed. Did not probe mod for specifics on this, just assumed from the nature of my questions about censoring the wagon, and ika's claimed mass doc.

I really don't understand how you two are voting outside the AC wagon right now. I totally get that ER may be scum. But I don't understand how "may be scum" + her play is better than "guaranteed 2 scum on AC wagon" + Plagiarist's play, or "guaranteed 2 scum on AC wagon" + Ank's play.

LimMePls · Post Post #1369 (isolation #82) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:51 pm

we're under the gun people. Right now we have 3 votes on Plag and 1 on Ank (by my unofficial tally). Plagiarist needs death, make it happen.

LimMePls · Post Post #1376 (isolation #83) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:48 am

In post 1375, shos wrote:Obvious NK is obvious.
Does this change anything?

Ya, it makes you even more certainly scum when Plagiarist and Ank have been lynched.

Nothing has changed from yesterday except we lost a town slot. Plagiarist is still the lynch.

I'd be willing to wager HUGE STACKS of cash that Ank and Plagiarist are the scum from AC wagon, since neither wagon picked up steam yesterday. And sho's willingness to do ANYTHING but secure one of those lynches makes him the last scum if the game proceeds after that.

Vote: Plagiarist

Those of you who are town and didn't make this happen yesterday should be ashamed of yourselves.

LimMePls · Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:13 am

If you sensor the ank wagon from the final vote count yesterday, you could double clear you and titus (or put yourselves in a 1v1). If it double clears, it makes a guaranteed 2/3 in me, plag and ank. which practically gets us to a guaranteed 3 way lylo.

LimMePls · Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:13 am

Or win if it's a 3 man team.

LimMePls · Post Post #1418 (isolation #86) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:06 am

In post 1415, shos wrote:Make sure to dictate the way the answer comes. Like, 'of x y and Z, 2 are scum' and not 'what you seek is five'

FWIW, I wished to have the answer in such a format, and it didn't happen, even though I was told that wish was valid. It's something I'm going to bring up in post game. Very unhappy about it.

LimMePls · Post Post #1419 (isolation #87) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:08 am

I think sensoring the three of us is great.

LimMePls · Post Post #1422 (isolation #88) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:13 am

who took burns spot? Can't find an announcement for it anywhere.

LimMePls · Post Post #1423 (isolation #89) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:31 am

So here's the thing, if we correctly lynch the two scum from my sensor, we'll be in a 3-way lylo including both ER and shos. So, if we can pair the two scum from my sensor with the ER or shos, we can setup a win, since we'll have either a confirmed scum or confirmed town. So I'd love to see a sensor that includes {ank, plag, ER/shos}.

I also am pretty partial to sensors that include me, since I know my own alignment, and can thus parse the data more confidently. Since you're making the wish ika, you should consider including yourself. If you do that, I'd like the one you suggest {ika, titus, ank/plag}. For my POV, {ika, ank, plag} achieves much the same goal.

LimMePls · Post Post #1425 (isolation #90) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:50 am

@Titus: Are you saying you chose not to protect PV last night?

LimMePls · Post Post #1429 (isolation #91) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:44 am

In post 1427, Titus wrote:
In post 1425, LimMePls wrote:@Titus: Are you saying you chose not to protect PV last night?

Yes. I was hoping scum would assume I was an shoot someone more useful. If I was wrong, it would confirm PV as telling the truth, which is also useful given I figured he was limited shot.

The reason this troubles me is because anyone dying from the sensor'd wagon would have been a major win for town. Not sure why you wouldn't do whatever you could to try and save the genie and possibly make the sensor even that much more awesome.

I assumed you were RB'd. Which you may have been anyways. So I'm trying to parse the fact that you're claiming you didn't even target.

LimMePls · Post Post #1432 (isolation #92) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:02 am

In post 1428, Titus wrote:
In post 1424, ika wrote:i already plan on using myself so it cant be baised of "OMG IKA WIFOMING"

That is precisely why I do not want you in unless it is you mr LMP.

We should just censor the wagon I quoted but I am starting to think ika is full of shit.

He was never attacked despite being conftown. Refuses to provide useful info about yesterday. Wants to sensor to protect himself. Sudden ER paranoia.... didn't come out swinging at me.

@Titus: Here's the thing, we've seen that a wish to end the day is legal. So if there are 3 scum reaminging, and ika is one of them, the game would presumably be over.

With that said, I'd love to see a sensor on ika/Titus. I'm feeling like it would confirm 2 town, and make Ank and Plag guaranteed scum. If there are 3 scum, we'll end up in a 3-way lylo with ER/shos/1-guaranteed-town (one of ika/titus/me)

LimMePls · Post Post #1434 (isolation #93) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:23 am

In post 1426, ika wrote:well i cant ask for spcific ppl (against alignment rules)

but i am going to see if the wagon one is still ok

ika wrote:ok so the mod calrified i can just go "i want to knwo scum from XYZ"

i can do it from any wagons though.

atm i have im leanign to do a 2-3 person wagon sense so we have a clearcut idea

I'm confused here. Please explain clearly.

LimMePls · Post Post #1439 (isolation #94) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:36 am

In post 1437, Titus wrote:Confirming me is bad. I protect conftown made. Hence why we crnsor no voters on the wagon I quoted

Explain. That makes no sense to me, so if there is an intuition I'm not seeing, you gotta spell it out.

LimMePls · Post Post #1440 (isolation #95) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:37 am

How can you say you protect conftown, when you've shown a willingness to NOT do that?

LimMePls · Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:10 am

In post 1452, ika wrote:
In post 1370, farside22 wrote:The Plagiarist (3) evil, lmp, shos

Not voting:

ankamius, pere, plagiarist

Do NOT do that one. All it does is confirm if we have a third scum. Which we'll already know if we lynch the two from my sensor and the game continues. That would be wasted wish.

LimMePls · Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:31 am

In post 1455, ika wrote:if it said there was one scum in those 3 i would assume ti would be mala tbh

Which is no better than what's gonna happen if you don't do that sensor anyways. If we have 3 more scum, we're headed for a 3-way lylo ANYWAYS. For instance, assume we lynch the two on my sensor. The game will go like this:

Lynch Sensor-ScumA
NK 1 of (LMP, ika, titus)
Lynch Sesnsor-ScumB
NK 1 of remaining from (LMP, ika, titus)

3-way lylo with ER/shos/(last of LMP, ika, titus)

Which means one of ER/shos is scum. Which is the exact same thing we'll likely learn from your proposed sensor. We'll have the exact same information for free, so it would be a waste.

This is critical that you understand, so if you don't follow, please ask for clarification.

LimMePls · Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:32 am

Also, to be clear, I can make those NK assumptions because the scum HAVE to kill from the sensor wagon, because if they kill one of shos/ER, then when we reach a 3-way LYLO of (shos/ER)/2-from-sesnsor-wagon, it'll be an auto town win.

LimMePls · Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:34 am

What we need from you wish is information that best gets us to D8. Sensoring that wagon I quoted above wouldn't help get us there, and would only give us information we'd get for free once we get there anyways.

LimMePls · Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:39 am

Sensoring that "not voting" block that has ank and plag is perfectly fine. If it returns "2", then we automatically get to D8. If not, then we've still broken my sensor into two smaller pools, and can use that information to better navigate today and tomorrow.

your missing the fact that mala has been supplying me stuff to counter scums as well and i plan on using it to find out where scums are?

How am I "missing" that? This is the first I've seen anything of it.

Getting kinda tired of "somethings not adding up". Why can't you be more specific?

LimMePls · Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:04 am

In post 1461, ika wrote:have you been reading the last day y/n?

there has beena lot of dicussion about it.

the last part is just guts

If you mean that you've received items from ER, then yes, I've seen that. If you mean I was supposed to know exactly what they were or how you were going to use them, no. Not so much.

LimMePls · Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:20 am

is it lylo?
who are your top suspects for scum (name 3)

Probably.
Ank/Plag/shos

shos/lmp when you guys get around we can get to voting one of us and then see if we can get mod to make a vc athat i can senseor

So we are gonna form a wagon that is ika/shos/lmp? I'm down with that.

@Everyone-not-ika/shos/me

If you vote me between now and the next VC, you will be considered to be claiming scum.

Vote: LMP

LimMePls · Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:23 am

In post 1464, shos wrote:I've acquired a townread on ER

Justify this please.

lmp's analysis is just so bad x)

Which part?

LimMePls · Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:08 am

come on shos.

LimMePls · Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:54 am

ditto. Make it official here too:

@MOD:

VC pls.

LimMePls · Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:25 am

In post 1477, Evil Regals wrote:what the hell are you guys doing?

Trying to break the game. What are you doing?

LimMePls · Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:25 pm

Unvote

Do your thing.

LimMePls · Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:27 pm

In post 1481, Evil Regals wrote:
In post 1464, shos wrote:I currently think it is not lylo, because I've acquired a townread on ER, and it wouldn't make sense for lmpscum to force us into a pool of 3scum-1town.

lmp's analysis is just so bad x)

I really, really think that we better townhunt than scumhunt. I really think we should aim for a trio that gives us 0/3 or 3/3. 3/3 is hard, so 0/3 is preferred for {me, ika, lmp}|

Why has you read just recently changed on me?

This. I asked it as well, and it went unanswered.

LimMePls · Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:23 pm

In post 1490, ika wrote:mod decided to not let me b/c it breaking the rule of disconcerning aligments -.-

This is totally bogus and crosses the line of mod interference in a game as far as I am concerned. The same style of wish I made cannot be illegal at the whim of the mod. Either both should have been illegal or neither.

@mod:

is this true? Feel free to pm the answer.

LimMePls · Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:06 am

So all we have to do is lynch the 2 scum in {ank, plag, titus}. If the game proceeds, lynch ER. Win.

What it really boils down to, for me, is "what is the chance that the DOMO-titus interaction D2 is a gambit".

LimMePls · Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:23 am

In post 1507, ika wrote:doubt it.

i could explain what happened but i will save it for post game for mod to explain.

What does this mean?

LimMePls · Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:57 am

In post 1512, ika wrote:if it was a gambit it would of been orcastrated by domo

Yes.

i think sk killed him out of fear

Obviously the SK killed him. That's not the issue. The issue is whether or not DOMO-scum would use the "why do you have a gun" + wish to hope SK kills Titus-town, or do it as a gambit with Titus-scum figuring that one of them (doesn't matter which) would get killed, and then the other would have pretty crazy good town cred.

FWIW I don't think it's a gambit, and if it is, frankly it's brilliant enough to deserve a win.

VOTE: ank

this is where i want to lynch

Why? Plagiarist seems way better to me.

also remember i have a 1-shot rb so if he flips scum i can rb other

Noted.

LimMePls · Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:59 am

In post 1511, ika wrote:dobut interactions is scum/scum

the issue thing is what can be told post game

Ya, I figured it out when I read it like the 5th time. Are you phone/tablet posting? I have a hard time connecting your thoughts sometimes.

I agree the interaction is highly unlikely scum-scum.

Holding off on vote for all voices to check in.

LimMePls · Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:00 am

In post 1509, shos wrote:also, take into consideration we might *still* somehow be in lylo.

My analysis already assumes we're in lylo.

LimMePls · Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:26 am

If evil is not scum, it's not lylo. That simple.

PV, shos and ER were the only ones not on my sensor. PV has flipped, and shos is now confirmed. If ER is scum, we're in lylo, if not we're not.

LimMePls · Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:27 am

That's why I kept saying that ER is for the last day of the game, not now.

LimMePls · Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:44 am

Ank's recent posting seems like a last gasp. Remains to be seen what he says to the most recent development.

LimMePls · Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:05 am

In post 1522, shos wrote:guys can anyone of you be a doll/awesome person who is not a doll/etc and find me some other games with 16 players in them?
I *really* want to check out the case for whether or not we have another scum to deal with in the ER slot or not. I currently townread that slot, but it's dangerous to be in lylo and not know it.

Shos, PLEASE try to follow this thought process, because I've tried to explain it to you about a million times now.

IT IS IRRELEVANT IF ER IS SCUM.

If ER is scum, we'll know it for a FACT on Day 8, when the game is still on going. The reason for this is thus:

D6: We lynch one of {ank, plag, titus} (assume we correctly lynch, because if we miss, the game can just end on the spot)
N6: They NK one of {lmp, shos, ika}
D7: We lynch one of remaining from {ank, plag, titus}
N7: They NK one of remaining from {lmp, shos, ika}
D8: Remaining players: {ER, one of {ank, plag, titus}, one of {lmp, shos, ika}}

No matter which remaining players are alive from those sub groups, ER would be the only player who could be scum. All of {ank, plag, titus} were on my sensor, so only 2 of them could be scum. All of the players in our sensor are cleared. ER would therefore be guaranteed scum.

And note that the scum MUST kill from our pool, because to shoot outside of our pool is to give us the game automatically.

Wasting time/energy/brain-cycles on whether or not ER is scum is very unlikely to produce any useful info. The only possible value would be to look for theoretical connections between ER and ank/plag/titus. Which you can do right now anyways just assuming that ER is scum.

LimMePls · Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:11 am

What's more, if we lynch from {ank, plag, titus} and we mislynch and the game does NOT end on the spot, ER becomes confirmed town.

So ER is not for worrying over now. ER is for D8. The question before us is which 2 of {ank, plag, titus} are scum?

LimMePls · Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:29 am

In post 1525, shos wrote:
In post 1523, LimMePls wrote:
In post 1522, shos wrote:guys can anyone of you be a doll/awesome person who is not a doll/etc and find me some other games with 16 players in them?
I *really* want to check out the case for whether or not we have another scum to deal with in the ER slot or not. I currently townread that slot, but it's dangerous to be in lylo and not know it.

Shos, PLEASE try to follow this thought process, because I've tried to explain it to you about a million times now.

IT IS IRRELEVANT IF ER IS SCUM.

If ER is scum, we'll know it for a FACT on Day 8, when the game is still on going. The reason for this is thus:

D6: We lynch one of {ank, plag, titus} (assume we correctly lynch, because if we miss,
the game can just end on the spot
)
N6: They NK one of {lmp, shos, ika}
D7: We lynch one of remaining from {ank, plag, titus}
N7: They NK one of remaining from {lmp, shos, ika}
D8: Remaining players: {ER, one of {ank, plag, titus}, one of {lmp, shos, ika}}

No matter which remaining players are alive from those sub groups, ER would be the only player who could be scum. All of {ank, plag, titus} were on my sensor, so only 2 of them could be scum. All of the players in our sensor are cleared. ER would therefore be guaranteed scum.

And note that the scum MUST kill from our pool, because to shoot outside of our pool is to give us the game automatically.

Wasting time/energy/brain-cycles on whether or not ER is scum is very unlikely to produce any useful info. The only possible value would be to look for theoretical connections between ER and ank/plag/titus. Which you can do right now anyways just assuming that ER is scum.

^^^^bolded my point. if we're in lylo we need to be 10 times more careful. if we're not, we can have ika as careless as he wishes.
But also, we can, if we're still worried, lynch ER first, and take care of the problem. that way we'll *know* we're in lylo tomorrow, and if we're in lylo now, we're good.

We should be just as careful REGARDLESS is my point. We should act as if ER is scum. There is very little cost to doing so.

LimMePls · Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:33 am

Read from:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6230812

To:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6236761

The gambit specifically is:

In post 531, DOMO wrote:Oh hi titus. Why do you have a gun?

Followed by immediately wishing to end the game. PV confirmed that DOMO had the wish.

LimMePls · Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:34 am

In post 1529, LimMePls wrote:Followed by immediately wishing to end the
day
. PV confirmed that DOMO had the wish.

EBWOP

LimMePls · Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:45 pm

whatever. I like plag better, but this game is stale.

Vote: Ank

LimMePls · Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:04 am

I'm not unvoting. Ank is a scum lynch. ER could have hammered me and didn't, and Titus could have hammered now, and didn't. Ank is scum. Someone hammer.

LimMePls · Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:20 am

ER kill is a next level sort of play. Which is something I wouldn't expect from Plagiarist, especially given his apparent flaking from the game. I think Titus is the last scum. What swings it for me is PV dying and Titus' claim to have not even tried to protect PV. Town-Titus would have protected PV, almost without a doubt. The proposed excuse of "I was trying to wifom the scum" is complete malarkey. But Scum-Titus couldn't claim to have protected PV and been RB'd, because they likely RB'd another power role (I'm guessing ER). So she had to go with the "I protected no one" route, because PV HAD to die, and Titus couldn't justify any other protection.

@Titus: The DOMO gambit was freaking brilliant. I'm sure it was your idea. I'm almost sad you won't win off it.

Vote: Titus

shos wrote:Tgere is ab option that both you and LMP are scum together and you are bith lying with the wish. Is this a possibility?

Look at the way things played out when ika made his wish yesterday, and ask yourself if all of the drama would have happened if ika's wish wasn't genuine. Also, consider that I was scum with the wish, with ika-buddy. Does my use of the wish make sense in that context? Also consider that ika used a wish earlier in the game to mass doc protect, costing the scum a night kill.

You can't 100% discount ika-LMP. But I think if you look at it rationally, it'll become clear pretty quickly that isn't the situation.

LimMePls · Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:00 am

shos, we're not scum together.

LimMePls · Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:13 am

ika won't die. If ika dies, we're already confirmed, since his flip will prove his wish was genuine.

LimMePls · Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:15 am

LimMePls · Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:42 am

In post 1577, ika wrote:really the game could only be over is lmp is scum with plauge and he made it so that the mod didnt include him on the VC

But your wish should have me confirmed to you. What gives here?

LimMePls · Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:50 am

Vote: Plagiarist

Sorry for the delay guys, real life just got serious. Hope we won, probably won't be around for post-game.