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In post 20, Cabd wrote:Oh and as a flavor expert:
Do not claim your nationality (your neighborhood) early or without reason
Some nations have way more powerhouses than others. If there's hoods without scum in them, I'd like them to be stuck guessing who and which ones.
For those of you that were in my tales of you game, think like those neighborhoods but even more secretive.
Are you thinking that FE:A style setup breaking is contra-indicated?-
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So Saki, you seem pretty invested in this game.-
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In post 35, Varsoon wrote:/confirm
Well shit, I wish I read this thread before posting in my neighborhood.
Feeling embarrassed.
Also, I kinda wanna vote Cabd just 'cus he's suggesting setup-related stuff, even if I agree with it.
It means he's thought more about this game than me.
Which is a good indicator he's scum.
Town Cabd likes breaking setups.-
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^^ Scumclaim-
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I'm going to consider that an omgus.-
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Varsoon wrote:I don't like your meta-input on Cabd
Or what you said earlier about gaming the setup.
Or that you consider my input a scumclaim.
Or that you consider my vote an omgus.
Why can't my points actually matter?
Why's it gotta be just an 'omgus' vote?
Why you gotta try to handwave the legitimacy of my vote?
"try" "handwave".
I don't like your entrance into the neighborhood.-
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In post 49, Varsoon wrote:I don't understand or have a ton of knowledge about the setup.
I imagine scum probably have more setup knowledge than town.
So I imagine that scum could game the setup towards their own advantage.
Which is why I'm more okay with Cabd being like, "Let's avoid that shit."
And less okay with Ffery talking about maybe gaming it in 26.
You don't like my entrance because it confirms me as town and you're scum.
It's pretty obvious you wouldn't like town being confirmed and would immediately want to deny that it's a confirming act if you're scum.
If you're town, I figure you'd be more willing to think about it and consider it rather than immediately treating me this way.
You're voting me and you're bitching that I should be more willing to think about YOU?
I gave you a heads up that you've come off scummy as fuck to me.
I'm giving you time to put down data that suggests your entrance wasn't as scummy as it looked, because I know that not all town players do town the
way I do town, and I know that town-you has an utterly abysmal record of correctly reading me.
That's what willingness to think about you looks like in feryland.-
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great job slapping down the reach out.-
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notscience wrote:Doesn't matter how cheeky I am lol
Noone seems to care
I'll worry about you later.-
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It's one of the roles I consider claiming right away because it's neg utility. The pingy part is that Varsoon seemed to think it was a cool thing to be.-
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In post 95, notscience wrote:I agree
Being able to coast to lylo on pure cheek will be fun
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I think its entertaining that people will just keep dealing with me later bpc
Its like "here ns, kill these people and get to lylo"
Why do you want to be a distraction? What do you think about Saki? What do you think about Varsoon?-
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In post 99, Varsoon wrote:Ffery didn't assume that I slipped and posted in the wrong thread. Ffery wanted to push me for role-claiming right away, but didn't explain any reason for the push other than that my role-sharing was a 'scumclaim'.
You're right, I didn't. The thing that tweaked my antennae was that it looked like you assumed it was an all town neighborhood. I see why Ceph thinks it's a scumslip, though.
Cephrir assumed I scumslipped and posted in the wrong thread. This lines up right with when he started pushing me in the game thread.
So I'm willing to believe that the fact this revelation came Cephrir, who does not know if I am scum or not, but not to ffery (who would know I was not scum) is a good indicator of ffery-scum.
I'm townreading ceph for his reaction.
But I can't read Ffery and it's unfair to base judgments solely based on assuming stuff about fellow players.
I am very paradoxically seeing some town in your reaction to Ceph. :/-
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In post 113, Varsoon wrote:So, basically, there's one of two things I want to do:
DIE RIGHT THE FUCK NOW so that there's PoE from my wagon and I'm out the game for being an idiot.
Stick aroundto try to help scum, even though I'm essentially a VT now.
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In post 124, Cephrir wrote:
On the one hand, I think this is a reasonable position, and I think I am very town.
On the other, I can't remember the last time you thought I was town and didn't attach qualifiers to it.
I can't remember you ever doing anything that ever gave me such a strong reason to townread you.
I reserve the right to attach qualifiers as the occur to me though!-
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In post 130, Varsoon wrote:<3 ffery
It's a joke, because I'm so useless that my votes will probably always be on town.
(also, I thought I wrote 'catch' scum in there, but I apparently did not.)
VOTE: ffery
My gut is disagreeing very loudly with my head about you. Every time I try to reply to you, I find that I'm writing to town-Varsoon.-
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What is this?-
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In post 152, notscience wrote:What is there to explain
You were the scumbud I expected to live on the longest without being suspected
So my attempt to draw everyone's attention with my extreme cheek failed
Are you and Varsoon both jesters?-
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In post 157, notscience wrote:If I was a jester id just lurk, ffery
Wouldn't work. I'd defend you for playing to your recent town meta.-
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<3 Orci-town, I think.-
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In post 168, Cephrir wrote:Actually no, I'm not ready to declare orci town yet.
I forget sometimes how good he is.
hence the "I think".
You're right he's good, but his bpc push looks very townminded to me. The only time I've ever seen scum-him do something that strongly town in the very-early game, it was multiball.-
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Really. It's about the observations, not the number of posts.-
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In post 184, MafiaSSK wrote:In post 181, fferyllt wrote:Really. It's about the observations, not the number of posts.
So maybe it's coming down to more of a matter of semantics, but the impact that actually comes from a push is larger. If say, BPC had put in a few posts about orci or maybe if his original vote on orci contained any trace of explicit reasoning, then I might agree. But meh. It's not like it was that convincing. Orci didn't react. Meh.
What are you even talking about? BPC hasn't voted orci.-
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In post 187, MafiaSSK wrote:In post 186, fferyllt wrote:In post 184, MafiaSSK wrote:In post 181, fferyllt wrote:Really. It's about the observations, not the number of posts.
So maybe it's coming down to more of a matter of semantics, but the impact that actually comes from a push is larger. If say, BPC had put in a few posts about orci or maybe if his original vote on orci contained any trace of explicit reasoning, then I might agree. But meh. It's not like it was that convincing. Orci didn't react. Meh.
What are you even talking about? BPC hasn't voted orci.
Awko. I switched the two names. Point still applies.
This entire convo is confusing me. Your point has very little to do with my orci-read.-
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In post 195, MafiaSSK wrote:In post 190, fferyllt wrote:
This entire convo is confusing me. Your point has very little to do with my orci-read.
I'll take down the quote pyramid and rephrase then. I feel like it wasn't a real push and that you're overreaching a townread.
Not a real push? I disagree. It was clear air in a game that's been murked up by varsoon's whatever the fuck that is, and notsci's trolling.-
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In post 197, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:In post 175, fferyllt wrote:In post 168, Cephrir wrote:Actually no, I'm not ready to declare orci town yet.
I forget sometimes how good he is.
hence the "I think".
You're right he's good, but his bpc push looks very townminded to me. The only time I've ever seen scum-him do something that strongly town in the very-early game, it was multiball.
this makes me feel very uncomfortable but then again that's how i always feel when you drop a townread on me after like two posts
idk what i'm going to do with you fery
ssk why are you even bothering notsci is vigbait/policy lynch. tell me about varsoon walking into a neighborhood and calling ppl "assholes"
Might I suggest working with me? I'm pretty damned excited to have townreads on two players who can give me nightmares.-
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In post 214, Cabd wrote:Also I'm pretty sure I'm going to cheat and make orc sort ffery and vice versa.
done. time to sort you.-
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In post 219, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:what makes more sense, ssk
1) varsoon walks into a neighborhood, starts off with a big laugh, calling his fellow neighbors assholes
2) varsoon walks into a scum qt, starts off with a big laugh, calling his fellow scumfucks assholes
pretty much this. adding in the varsoon factor.
If I had all kinds of spare time I'd go looking for games where he was in a neighborhood.-
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In post 222, Cabd wrote:Also while I am at it, congrats to SSK for being actually functional this game. Keep it up and I won't totally hate you this round!
Is it alignment indicative functionality? I'm remembering Nati's mini normal.-
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hush. I'm sorting Cabd.-
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In post 237, Cabd wrote:^If this post looks like the one in the neighborhood I'm probably 150% ready to autolynch.
It kinda does in terms of laying out his abilities. I'm not getting quite as much of a high-five feel from the tone.-
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I'm really hoping to put you in my townpile quickly if at all. Because an FE:A style gamebreak session would be awesome.-
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In post 244, Cabd wrote:Given the claim on the board plus my own, nati used flavor heavily when designing roles, so I can probably evaluate almost any claim based upon flavor fitting-ness.
I'm almost positive I can lash everyone, even you, to the wall with fake flavor claims if made.
heh. If the fake claim were up to me, I'd be easy to lash. You think you could sort out Nati-provided fake claims?-
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some parts of our neighborhood are discussing full-claiming the hood. What do you think?-
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These questions might be best not answered, I dunno.
How much variance would you expect in neighborhood size? Is it safe to assume that some neighborhood are scum-free?-
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In post 239, fferyllt wrote:In post 237, Cabd wrote:^If this post looks like the one in the neighborhood I'm probably 150% ready to autolynch.
It kinda does in terms of laying out his abilities. I'm not getting quite as much of a high-five feel from the tone.
This may not be as clear as I thought. The post in this game's neighborhood has a stronger high-five feel than the post you dug up.-
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In post 257, Cabd wrote:Still feel the need to sort me, or have you seen the light?
1st approximation of light, yes.-
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In post 275, Brian Skies wrote:Did ffery express suspicion of Varsoon in the neighborhood before the day started?
Ceph or Varsoon himself can confirm this. My first post after Varsoon's entrance in the neighborhood was to tell him I was going to assume he's scum. Ten minutes after my neighborhood post, he voted me in the game thread.-
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In post 269, Ms Marangal wrote:I am regretting joining this game, I think
ffery/ceph, your hood has more than three people in it?
I'm not going to answer this for now.-
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In post 279, Varsoon wrote:I can believe Cephrir because of how he handled it--it felt like he genuinely saw my post as a scum slip.
In our QT, Ffery immediately said it was a scum-claim and didn't seem at all to be under the impression that I slipped.
Basically, Ffery went right into weaponizing my play against me whereas Cephrir's reaction was genuine town feeling great for catching slipped scum.
Orci's push on me feels pressureless. Orci's cute this game, though. Doesn't feel scum to me. That's gut. I don't put a lot of value there, but maybe I should more often?
I think it's weird that you're upholding Ffery's play as town -because- of how your miller claim was treated in a game where she was town.
Like, as if a player like Ffery would have some huge glaring difference between their town and scum interaction with an early questionable claim.
Also, my 'spitfite' of accusations is mostly me pointing out how Ffery's using typical scummy dismissive rhetoric to perpetuate her points as the valid ones and mine as inane.
Which was, in turn, scoffed at.
We've bumped heads before and I've sunk too far into tunneling Ffery based on rhetoric in Death's Diner (who was part of the Rift Adrift hydra. I'm Jabarkas in that game).
Which gave me mixed feelings about my gut reaction to when players have scum-as-shit rhetoric, because I also sunk into Amrun, who turned out to be scum in that game.
So I've come to just kind of seethe at people who are jerks and try my best to focus on other elements of play.
Which is why I've backed off from my Ffery vote, although it feels weird that Ffery would further handwave my voting based on our previous interaction.
I really hate when players say shit like, "You're terrible at reading me."
Varsoon, you've left out a several games where we've both been town and you've misread me. Like EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THEM.
It's a bad habit on my part that I tend to assume that you scumreading me right off the bat is a town tell for you. This time you entered with a horrible clang of a post in the neighborhood, and that has precluded a complacent read of you a little. Because some day I expect your off-the-bat scumread to be completely manufactured.-
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In post 271, Ms Marangal wrote:as I wait their response, I'll start off here
Saki
honey bee
Ffery
Orci
notsci
BPC
Ceph
STD
Flubbernugget
MafiaSSK
Cabd
Varsoon
Explain your honey bee and Saki reads, plz.
What Cabd is doing goes considerably beyond setup spec. And the way he's doing it looks town to me.-
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In post 311, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:In post 231, BipolarChemist wrote:I don't know what to think on people because they all seem to have played together and are talking about that and interacting like old friends. I have no idea what to comment on or how to even remotely go about scumhunting. Right now, I'm just commenting on anything that pops out to me and really mostly just answering your stuff.
I don't think I'm avoiding Varsoon talk, I think the whole situation is just fairly cut and dry. He probably slipped, he got called out for it, he flailed when pressured, and here we are!
I haven't done stuff with my vote on notsci because notsci just kinda fucked off and I realized he's gonna probably continue to fuck off like he's been doing. I don't really know where else my vote would go that would be good for pressure right now because I don't feel strongly enough about anyone possibly being scummy.
My thoughts so far are that Varsoon more than likely scumslipped, he'll more than likely be the lynch today. Ceph's reaction to the whole thing felt very town. You seem town I guess? I'm mostly going off of other's thoughts. MafiaSSK I'm not sure on, null, I guess! Nothing else really sticking out.
The few people I know I can interact with in this game are going to be Ceph, STD, and possibly Mara, but I really don't have much experience with most anyone in the game.
can fery/ceph confirm or deny my understanding of what happened?
He didn't mention the neighborhood name in his first post. It was a reference to "you assholes".
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In post 314, SMP wrote:In post 313, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:In post 106, Varsoon wrote:I said that I would gain the abilities of the 'first of you assholes who dies'.
I mean this was the quote i had in mind but we can ask for a fery/ceph confirmation i guess
why do you have ceph/fery as you do in your reads?
That's true, he didn't actually mention a faction when he claimed did he.Maybe I needed more coffee this morning.
Ceph's push on Varsoon seems town. Quickly and aggressively acting on a what looks to be scumslip will give him some towncred with me for now. fferyllt I just haven't been able to get a read on yet, so she's null.
Your thoughts on the 3?
What gave you the impression re the bolded?-
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I'm a hater.-
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In post 367, Ms Marangal wrote:In post 324, Cephrir wrote:In post 285, Ms Marangal wrote:plz, I'm pretty much already conf. town
I would vote you for this post, but I am too busy voting Varsoon
you know this is a joke, and where it comes from
and yes, I'm reading bee as town, though he's posted once. problem?
how did you get a town read off of this:
In post 18, Honey bee wrote:/confrim-
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In post 371, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:In post 370, Save The Dragons wrote:In post 361, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
Firstly, it makes no sense to assume the neighborhood was a masonry, which is what he claimed.
I didn't know this was going to be a neighborhood game, I assume other people didn't (at least Konowa specifically mentioned he didn't).
Ok. Fery/cephrir, how large is the neighborhood? Just say if it's more than 3. Because if the neighborhood is larger than 3 there is no way a same person would've thought that it was a ma
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There's a sort of thought process to Varsoon's first few neighborhood posts. Let me see if I can summarize it.
- He makes the big boisterous to "you assholes" with his ability claim.
- He said how many stars his co ability requires
- He says he now realizes the neighborhood could have scum in it.
- He surmises we can tell he's town for the above slip, and laments that scum now know about his cool abilities.
- He says he should have read the game thread before posting
(I post that I'm going to assume he's scum, and he might want to work on that)
- SSK tells varsoon way to go.
- varsoon posts a text emote
- Ceph asks him why he'd assume the neighborhood is all town, says it's p much the opposite of what most people would assume.
- Varsoon says he thought each alliance would have it's own qt, and that neo black would be one of the alliances with their own qt and (I think this is what he meant) the mod wouldn't allow players to say who are in their alliance in the game thread, and indicates he realizes it was a bad assumption in retrospect.
- In his next post, it sounds like he thought each alliance was a full faction. He says he he made the first post above, then read the thread, then realized the co stars were important and posted about that, and then realized he'd goofed.
Anyway, the bit about alliances being full factions is me making a very small logical leap from what he actually posted, but I think it's kinda key. I'm mulling that over. My first reaction on reading my role pm was "translate please?"-
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ugh I did.-
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I have a more or less stock reaction to people claiming miller, all things being equal. I am having trouble seeing my reaction to Varsoon which is not even slightly how I feel toward rvs-period miller claims, reminds Brian of the On A Boat game we played where he was miller.
Ceph also picked up on something I missed.
Brian's a cautious null for me atm.
Also, pls explain why you have Saki as 2nd tier town.-
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In post 454, Ms Marangal wrote:ffery said something about it, in response to me I think but I still don't think this is outside the realm of possiblity for cabdscum
This bugs me.
It bugs me on a global, generic level so I'm going to vent.
My reads are gestalts and for that reason they change easily sometimes. A new post may completely change the illumination on a body of work. But, they are gestalts of what I think motivates not just what people say but the way they say it. I'm not going to write 8 paragraphs on all the nuances of the way something is said that makes me lean town or scum. But, that thought process is there. And It annoys the fuck out of me when someone brushes it aside and says "but they could do that as scum, too", when the person may not even be aware of what my "that" entails.-
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In post 462, Saki wrote:this doens't strike me as particularly weird what are everyone's problems with it
The fact that he said that and then immediately voted Varsoon.-
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In post 481, Cabd wrote:If people haven't gotten a town read off me yet, then they probably never will until I get shot and flip town.
If you think this isn't me tryharding you are ignoring a year and a half of cabd as town setup breaking meta, a la paradox and FE:A.
Oh and re: mara my read has nothing to do with any of our maraca games, mara. It has to do with you displaying scum-PM fatigue like in nati's bastard mini.
You forgot marketplace 3.-
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In post 499, BipolarChemist wrote:Ceph, I trust you. Give me the run down on Cabd. I have no idea how to even begin reading or anything there. Also do ffery, because generally she scares me iin every game I'm in with her!
I don't recall scaring you so much you wouldn't even talk to me directly in our prior games where you were something resembling town.-
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In post 513, Ms Marangal wrote:Ffery sans paranoia also isn't a whole lot of fun
what does this mean?-
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In post 539, Save The Dragons wrote:Are my intentions with every post really that unclear?
I'm wondering if I'm having trouble reading Cabd or if I'm legitimately on the right path. I don't know if many people have blatantly expressed a town read of Cabd but as I recalled you did.
And seriously what other questions have I dropped that have been empty? Much of what I've done has been to try and determine someone's alignment.
have I not?
If I haven't expressed it, consider this to be a blatant expression of my townread of Cabd.-
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In post 547, Save The Dragons wrote:I don't remember.
Okay then, do you think I'm way off with 476 then?
Your post suggests you have zero experience playing with Cabd. If you want meta of him gamebreaking and generally being over the top assertive and self confident as town I'll be happy to link you. If you want meta of him playing scum in neighborhoods I'll be happy to link you to those too.
If Cabd were in a neighborhood with me, I'd probably be a hell of a lot more cautious than I feel right now, because he'd be in a much stronger position to mess with my head, shape my reads, etc.
If he's scum, then he probably has a backchannel into my head via a scum-neighbor. That's the scope of my paranoia atm.-
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In post 559, Save The Dragons wrote:Does Varsoon ever use the word "mason" or "masonry" in the neighborhood?
Not the words. Implicit in his posts was an assumption that we were all one faction.-
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I don't want SMP to be lost in all this btw.