Advance Wars UPick!--Game Over..?

[Varsoon]

/confirm

Well shit, I wish I read this thread before posting in my neighborhood.
Feeling embarrassed.


Also, I kinda wanna vote Cabd just 'cus he's suggesting setup-related stuff, even if I agree with it.
It means he's thought more about this game than me.
Which is a good indicator he's scum.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Ffery
I seee you.

[Varsoon]

Pfft, everyone knows I scumclaim by scum claiming.

I'm just voting my top scumread right now~

[Varsoon]

I don't like your meta-input on Cabd
Or what you said earlier about gaming the setup.
Or that you consider my input a scumclaim.
Or that you consider my vote an omgus.

Why can't my points actually matter?
Why's it gotta be just an 'omgus' vote?
Why you gotta try to handwave the legitimacy of my vote?

[Varsoon]

I don't understand or have a ton of knowledge about the setup.
I imagine scum probably have more setup knowledge than town.
So I imagine that scum could game the setup towards their own advantage.
Which is why I'm more okay with Cabd being like, "Let's avoid that shit."
And less okay with Ffery talking about maybe gaming it in 26.

You don't like my entrance because it confirms me as town and you're scum.
It's pretty obvious you wouldn't like town being confirmed and would immediately want to deny that it's a confirming act if you're scum.
If you're town, I figure you'd be more willing to think about it and consider it rather than immediately treating me this way.

[Varsoon]

I hope you scumshits turbolynch me,
It'll make this easier for town.

[Varsoon]

Literally, fuck you, man.

I know why you're gloating and showboating, but you're a fucking idiot if you actually get my lynched and you're town too.

[Varsoon]

Basically, I got excited over my role abilities, claimed them in our alliance QT because I was excited over them, and then realized that our Alliances weren't town-only.
It was stupid, but now all of my powers are useless because they rely on scum NOT knowing them.
I'm fine with just dying for my stupidity.
I'm useless now anyway.
VOTE: Varsoon

[Varsoon]

I'm calling you a jerk at least because you're gloating and showboating over what's not a scumslip at all.
If you're town, it's because you're too short-minded to consider that I'm not lying and made an honest mistake.
If you're scum, it's because you're a scumfuck asshole.

Give rope to the douchebags on my wagon.

[Varsoon]

No, please, lynch me.
I really fucked up.
I'm literally retarded.

[Varsoon]

Not even joking, not even mad at anyone but myself for getting to excited for the game and being stupid.

[Varsoon]

Yes, you're being a jerk, because you're pushing a mislynch based on a honest mistake I made.


I'm a wimp because I have low self-esteem.
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[Varsoon]

Good show, ffery.
"You can't read me!"
"You're bad!"

Whatever.

[Varsoon]

My evidence is gut.
My evidence is how I feel about your posts and interactions so far.
Jerkbutt~

[Varsoon]

Scum knows my abilities now anyway.
Ought as well claim in-thread.

I'm Jugger, from Black Hole.
I do not know if I want to claim who else is in Black Hole, but it's pretty obvious that Cephrir and Ffery are.
My passive ability allows me to gain the ability of the first other player in Black Hole that dies.
My CO ability is three stars and makes me lose any abilities I gained in my passive, but in return makes me immune to all night actions but kills.

UNVOTE:

I wanted to die for being so fucking stupid to think my alliance was all-town and it was safe to claim there.
But now I kind of want to find out who the scum in my faction is.
I've got to figure that some NEO Black Hole guys have Black Hole dudes associated.
/shrugs.

[Varsoon]

Ffery didn't assume that I slipped and posted in the wrong thread. Ffery wanted to push me for role-claiming right away, but didn't explain any reason for the push other than that my role-sharing was a 'scumclaim'.

Cephrir assumed I scumslipped and posted in the wrong thread. This lines up right with when he started pushing me in the game thread.

So I'm willing to believe that the fact this revelation came Cephrir, who does not know if I am scum or not, but not to ffery (who would know I was not scum) is a good indicator of ffery-scum.

But I can't read Ffery and it's unfair to base judgments solely based on assuming stuff about fellow players.

[Varsoon]

I admit, my claim-in thread was pretty scum-oriented if you saw it as a slip.

I said that I would gain the abilities of the 'first of you assholes who dies'.

I also wrote in all caps that MY ABILITIES ARE FUCKIN COOL.
I also intro'd with a hohohohohohoho

'cus I like the idea of being backup role to my whole team of dudes.
and assuming scum has some crazy genius stuff to drop on us that won't kill us, then the ascetic thing seemed cool too.

Of course, this was when I didn't know that Alliances were mixed-faction
I also didn't know how star points worked and thought I could use my CO power every single night.

[Varsoon]

Hahaha.
Too bad, I'm stupid.

[Varsoon]

So, basically, there's one of two things I want to do:

DIE RIGHT THE FUCK NOW so that there's PoE from my wagon and I'm out the game for being an idiot.
Stick around to try to help scum, even though I'm essentially a VT now.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, basically, if you take anything from this, Cephrir's whole reaction to my claim is really town.


Also, Flubber's post is probably a jab at how I got caught at the end of a scum-game and replaced out.
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[Varsoon]

<3 ffery


It's a joke, because I'm so useless that my votes will probably always be on town.
(also, I thought I wrote 'catch' scum in there, but I apparently did not.)
VOTE: ffery

[Varsoon]

Do you realize how fake your ate looks right now?

You do realize how biased you look right now?

It's not a goddamn appeal to emotion when I'm literally prostrating myself for compromising my slot, man.

[Varsoon]

Notsci, dawg,
You can't steal my thing!

[Varsoon]

I've made some checkboxes that might help.
[ ] - Is Varsoon playing in a way that seems off-the-cuff, reactionary, and poorly thought out?
[ ] - Does Varsoon seem interested in engaging with off-topic discussion?
[ ] - Is Varsoon being really stupid about his reads?

I dunno, this sort of stuff seems to have helped people in the past,
but as I am aware of it, I could probably play to or against it,
I mean, if I wasn't retarded, that is.

P-edit:
OH SHIT BOOKITTY IS HERE IN THIS GAME YES

(I want it to exist as a joke because that'd be funny, but it's just a typo because I'm thinking faster than I can type or whatever.)

[Varsoon]

Also, gonna go play some Heroes of Might and Magic 3 with one of my bros from Louisiana.

Catch you cool kids later.

[Varsoon]

Hey, checking back in.

VOTE: Notsci

Sorry.
I made a promise to myself to vote people who claim scum.

[Varsoon]

Also:

From SCUM GAME in Calvin & Hobbes:

Yeah, I wanted to clear up the suspicions about my neighborizer claim being bullshit.
As you can see, I'm neighborizer.
Also, last night, I tried to hit Skull but instead got redirected to the night kill.
Clearly didn't happen tonight, but I also didn't target skull.

I figure we can use this thread for the following:
1. We can discern each other's alignments. I'm town. I think you are.
2. We can work together to root out scum privately.
3. We can figure out if Neighbor has any better things it can do outside of 1 and 2.

I chose you because you're talkative, I don't absolutely know your align but I think you're town so you won't fuck me on this, and because I actually value your insight, whereas other players aren't so trustworthy/insightful.

From TOWN GAME in Meme Mafia II

Heya.
I'll be taking Xalxe's spot.

Are you scum?

From Touhou Mafia TOWN GAME in the Grilled Lamprey Neighborhood:

Just got here.
I'm Suwako, town-aligned and in a Neighborhood with Sakura, and Gaiden (who just joined us).
Sakura tells me that she's town. I believe it.

I have two Spellcards (oneshot night-use abilities):
I can visit a player and learn their character name.
I can learn who visited a target player at night and this ability doesn't count as visiting that player.

My Top Scum right now are:
GiF, Notscience, Bitmap, and Pieguy.

I don't know if either of you guys are scum.
I suspect Nati a lot less, but since abilities seem independent of alignment, who knows?
Zmuffin, I think your avatar always has me read you as scum. There were several times in Xenogears that I had to double-check the scum QT to make sure you weren't my partner.

So, yeah, I'm skeptical of you guys, but not nearly as much as I am of other players.

Also, I'm having a hard time following the game. There's been claims left and right all of D1 and I lost track of them.

From the same Touhou game, in the Moriya Shrine Neighborhood:

Yaaay! I got the character I wanted!~

So, are you town or are you scum, Sakura?

We should both claim inside of this QT.
I am Town.
I am Suwako.

My abilities are:
I am in a neighborhood with you.
I get to see who visits you every night.

I have two Spellcards (oneshot use abilities):
I can visit a player and learn their character name.
I can learn who visited a target player at night and this ability doesn't count as visiting that player.

Basically, I've got your back this game. So long as you get night killed and I'm still alive, I'll know who did it.

From Open 526 SCUM GAME:

How's it going, TiP?

This setup looks like fun.

From Micro 269 SCUM GAME:

TITUS
WE ARE AS ONE
ONE MAGNIFICENT SCUM TEAM
LET US RAIN DEATH UPON THE FOOLISH TOWNIES WHO THOUGHT THEY COULD STOP US

Also, nice pun name (I like being tight as stuffed crust. Cus stuffed crust is the bomb dot com)

Anyway, just play the game like normal. Be your usual inquisitive town self. Find the scum, Titus.

From Touhou SCUM GAME Misty Lake Neighborhood:

Hey hey Feirei~
Are you scum? Or can we treat this like a masonry?

I think that about covers it.
I've never really slipped when talking about my powers before.
But I guess it's important to see how I normally reveal my powers to perceived team mates to see if it is a slip or not?
Even though that relies on really flimsy ideas of how rhetoric works.

[Varsoon]

In my excitement this time, I posted in our QT without even reading everyone else's names, either.
Which probably explains why I didn't address any one of them, but just called 'em assholes~.

[Varsoon]

I can believe Cephrir because of how he handled it--it felt like he genuinely saw my post as a scum slip.
In our QT, Ffery immediately said it was a scum-claim and didn't seem at all to be under the impression that I slipped.
Basically, Ffery went right into weaponizing my play against me whereas Cephrir's reaction was genuine town feeling great for catching slipped scum.
Orci's push on me feels pressureless. Orci's cute this game, though. Doesn't feel scum to me. That's gut. I don't put a lot of value there, but maybe I should more often?

I think it's weird that you're upholding Ffery's play as town -because- of how your miller claim was treated in a game where she was town.
Like, as if a player like Ffery would have some huge glaring difference between their town and scum interaction with an early questionable claim.
Also, my 'spitfite' of accusations is mostly me pointing out how Ffery's using typical scummy dismissive rhetoric to perpetuate her points as the valid ones and mine as inane.
Which was, in turn, scoffed at.

We've bumped heads before and I've sunk too far into tunneling Ffery based on rhetoric in Death's Diner (who was part of the Rift Adrift hydra. I'm Jabarkas in that game).
Which gave me mixed feelings about my gut reaction to when players have scum-as-shit rhetoric, because I also sunk into Amrun, who turned out to be scum in that game.
So I've come to just kind of seethe at people who are jerks and try my best to focus on other elements of play.
Which is why I've backed off from my Ffery vote, although it feels weird that Ffery would further handwave my voting based on our previous interaction.
I really hate when players say shit like, "You're terrible at reading me."

[Varsoon]

Basically, Brian, I feel like you have either combed the thread without paying much attention or you haven't read up to the point where you posted.
I -already- laid out why I read Cephrir and Ffery differently, man.

[Varsoon]

Like, straight up, though
"You're scumreading me? Well you misread me in the past before, so I get to act like you're misreading me now despite this being a completely different game! It's like I can trivialize anything you're doing now by saying you messed up before--because people who are wrong once are always wrong!"

I think I just hate anything that takes agency from a player. Acting like what a player has to say is meaningless isn't just a neglectful means of play, it's a crappy thing to do to a fellow person invested in the game.

[Varsoon]

I'm pretty sure that Ceph is town.
Either that or this is your crazy ploy to bus Marangal and get yourself, Cephrir, and Ffery off the hook.

But, more realistically, I feel like you're kind of swinging wide with the whole 'third quote clearly shows null' thing and the meta-notions of town-mara.
Couldn't town-mara regret joining the game because of the gamestate at 271 and it's quick pace?
Couldn't seeing setup spec as null just mean that Mara is justifying a scum read on you by saying your setup spec is null and does not upset the scum read?

Your third point is related to PoE off of assuming Marangal is scum, so that's also kind of easy to see more as you making these calls that kind of fall down like dominoes if the first one is to sink.

Also, you say all the strong players are town, but you don't include me in that pile.
So, like, malarky, man.


Honest, though, I'm more willing to go along with your observations than not, but I don't think they're as absolute as you're presenting them here.

[Varsoon]

Basically, I can follow you on a scum-pinged read on Mara.
But I'm not wholly convinced that Mara is definitely scum.
Instead, your conviction ends up striking strange to me,
even if I agree with what's at the heart of it.

[Varsoon]

why are you making a half-defense when you aren't even sure of my alignment yourself?

Because I'm sketch on Cabd's conviction.
Because it's flimsy, I think.
Or at least relies on things that can be seen as flimsy.


I'm trying to sort things out myself.



I don't want to be a part of the Mara shenanigans. Feels like too many strings being pulled in weird ways.

I'm totes cool with an SMP lynch, though.

Also, our faction is called BLACK HOLE. I mean, c'mon, we're literally assholes.

[Varsoon]

Caught up~
Got reactions to things and thinks.
First and foremost, fuck you guys hoverhanding votes on me. You're a bunch of vultures trying not to pile on all at once because you know I'm town, you shits.
But let's go through this all:

The only potential angle I could see here is how in AWS he's basically just the replacement for Flak, but even then it's hella weak and he has no bussiness taking anyone else's. SHoehorning it into a scum team because they needed a universal backup however? Yeah.

My flavor abilities are called Memory Banks and System Crash.
That actually -does- seem like it fits, so fuck you for trying to misrepresent that it wouldn't.

I am not!

I'm not content to end the day until I have reads on the majority of the player list.

And no, I think nati shoehorned jugger into scum backup because she neee to give it to somebody and nobody else really fit. An that varsoon posted his intro in the Black Hole PT instead of the Neo Black Hole PT.

While the PT links were in our role PMs, if he had two it's easy for him to have opened both then seen "black hole" then posted it there.

Either way there's no way we can let him live, so I'm sitting here wondering why you're asking questions with obvious answers of me.

Again, you're positing setup spec as definite means to a read.
You're also assuming that I'm stupid enough, as scum, to mix up QTs I am posting in.
So you're undermining me (Orci is too), which is even shittier of a move on your part.
This whole 'no way we can let him live' thing is a fucked up line-up for a mislynch based on what you've posited so far.

Both of you seem to be implying that Jugger's role as presented by Varsoon doesn't make sense.

If he's scum and he posted into the wrong thread, he'd be honest about his role, so I'm disconnected there. I'm seeing very little reason for him to be lying about his role except for the two unlikely situations I presented.

Pretty much this. It feels like scum scrambling to justify a lynch on me for too many wrong reasons.

He never called it a masonry, though. A neighborhood

can

be all town aligned.

Is that a smart assumption? Hell, no.

But if Varsoon is dumb enough to post in the wrong thread he's certainly dumb enough to assume his neighborhood is all town aligned (uh...no offense).

I never called it a masonry.
I figured that we all had our individual factions, like a multiball of some sort, but that we were trying to all figure out who the Neo Black Hole faction was and lynch them all. Neo Black Hole would be, like, members of various different alliances so fake-claims could fit, although in retrospect a mass-character/alliance claim could out them. Still, I assumed something along those lines.
Also, yeah, I feel

really insulted

that people think I would be dumb enough to claim in the wrong QT but they can't fathom that I'd be foolhardy enough to assume my QT was all on my side.
But yeah, not offense taken, man. <3

If people haven't gotten a town read off me yet, then they probably never will until I get shot and flip town.

If you think this isn't me tryharding you are ignoring a year and a half of cabd as town setup breaking meta, a la paradox and FE:A.

Oh and re: mara my read has nothing to do with any of our maraca games, mara. It has to do with you displaying scum-PM fatigue like in nati's bastard mini.

This is where I decided to read you as scum. You're insisting on meta as a definite way of reading you and positing that your setup spec proves that I'm scum, even when it definitely doesn't.
You're also making an appeal in that first line despite there being like literally no pressure on you. Guess I'll read you scum until you flip. If you flip town, maybe you'll learn something about not relying so hard on meta to push a misinformed setup-spec mislynch.

There's basically negative percentage points that we don't lynch varsoon today so if he's town he ought to be doing his absolute damndest to make up for this by actively getting data into the thread. But he's not.

This is where I draw the line. You're deliberately misrepresenting me. I haven't been on site all day, and you're claiming that I am not doing anything to get data in the thread.
So you're BOTH insisting my input so far hasn't produced anything (nevermind reads info on all my alliance and my entire role for town to think about) and that my inactivity is somehow lynch-worthy.
Nigga, I've been gone for less than 24 hours. Calm your titties.

Does Varsoon ever use the word "mason" or "masonry" in the neighborhood?

See, this guy gets it. This also makes me second-guess Orci's insistence on the 'mason' concept, but I'm going to steer clear of reading people based on rhetoric for now.

So he hasn't been lynched because...

Because scum is hoping to goad town into piling on.
Look at the people saying I'm scum but fencesitting my wagon.
Cephrir is genuine in his showboating/push on me, but there's a couple of folks who are consistently pushing my lynch while trying to keep lynch options open.
That one Cabd post pings super hard this way, too.

I thought I have :/

I think it's a goof, I think assholes is something Varsoon might say to a random group of strangers, I think people are poisonously throwing words like "masonry" and "mason" around when it's implied but not said, I think that in a neighborhood game that is not announced as a neighborhood game where one suddenly finds themselves in a neighborhood the first thought is not "oh hey this neighborhood I didn't know I was a part of is totally a neighborhood which clearly means mixed scum/town", I think a lot of his AtE seems like a genuine "I goofed" as town instead of scum caught, I think scum are usually twice as careful as town and scumslips aren't just found under rocks, I think half or more of these points I've either mentioned or implied so take your pick.

<3
STD, I'm glad that I can die in this game and at least gain respect for you when I'm out.
You're pretty much on the money with this, and even if you are scum, you're a cool player for actually not being a shithead and misappropriating the mistake I made.
Like, that's just genuinely respectable play as any faction.

[Varsoon]

Whats the vote count on Var? Based on what I have read, I'm sold.

Other than that, will try to read up more tomorrow.

Way to be super non-committal while -also- proving that you actually haven't kept up with the thread.
If you read plenty enough to be 'sold' on voting me, but don't know the votecount on me currently,
You haven't read enough.

You're just itching for an easy lynch and it's annoying.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon
Honey
STD
Ceph

guys that need to be on this wagon.

Nothing else is happening today, scum-tell with 100% application has been dropped

I'd prefer the Cabd wagon, but I will totes take an Orci wagon.

VOTE: Cabd

[Varsoon]

Consider my vote on Orci, too.
Those are the slots I want to focus the most on now.
I just want Cabd to answer for his sins first.

[Varsoon]

Also, before anyone (looking at you Cabd) tries to mislynch me over it:
I won't be on very much this weekend.
I'm sick.
One of my best friends is visiting me for awhile.
I'm spending a lot of time with a girl.

[Varsoon]

If people have questions or points they want me to see, please address my name in bold.
I'll be trying to keep up with the thread, but this helps things get answered/discussed.

[Varsoon]

I figured that we all had our individual factions, like a multiball of some sort, but that we were trying to all figure out who the Neo Black Hole faction was and lynch them all. Neo Black Hole would be, like, members of various different alliances so fake-claims could fit

So...you...didn't think the neighborhood was all town, then....???

I -did- think my neighborhood was an all-town faction that was one of several all-town factions.
It doesn't matter anymore. People like Orci will just continue to lie about our QT and insist I'm twisting or 'mangling' the truth.

Truth is, I made a stupid mistake, and you're all gullible enough to believe scum and lynch me for it.
And I'm okay with that. I'm trying to do some work before I die.
Even though I know you douchebags won't care about my posts after I am dead.
Because NO ONE ever does.
Scum is relying on this, and wants to position me as a VI who couldn't possibly be right.
So that you'll all mislynch me, then on my flip, you can all be "OH, lol, Varsoon is such a dumbass, well time to disregard any of his input LOLOLOLOLOL"
How do I know this?
Because it happens a fucking load when I'm set up as an early Mislynch.
It's usually a good indicator that town's going to lose the game.
Check Hip Hop Mafia, etc.

@varsoon:

How the hell could you have been confused by your wincon?

At least you're asking the right questions.
Everyone else is content to be all "LOL EZ SCUMSLIP"
My wincon just says that I win when all, and in red so I can't possibly miss it, Neo Black Hole members are dead.
I don't know what the scum role PM looks like, but I imagine it actually does illuminate
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SCUM QT AND A MIXED QT
AND IT PROBABLY MAKES A HUGE FUCKING DEAL ABOUT ME BEING SCUM
But, no,

Scum is banking on you all being so brain-dead and stupid to think that someone on-site could make such a mistake.

I assure you the scum QT, if it has daytalk, is full of guys high-fiving and laughing at how easy they have it because town can't think for itself.

I'm sorry I made such a dumb mistake, town.
I fucked us over, but don't forget that

you

fucked me over.

PEDIT:
ORCI, I DID NOT ASSUME IT WAS A MASONRY BECAUSE MY PM JUST CALLED IT AN ALLIANCE
I FIGURED THAT AN ALLIANCE WAS AKIN TO A GROUP LIKE IN MULTIBALL OR SOMETHING
IT WAS A DUMB MISTAKE, BUT I DID NOT EVER FUCKING USE THE WORD 'MASONRY', SO STOP TELLING BLATANT LIES.

[Varsoon]

Orci, I believed it was just what it said it was--an Alliance of people on MY faction.
Do you SERIOUSLY believe I would think the list of 7 people would be a scum-list?
What's more likely?
A faction of 7 people that are town?
A faction of 7 people that are scum?

Whatever. Arguing with you is pointless. You're just going to mangle -my- words to your own ends anyway.
Then disregard me when I'm dead.

Here are my Alliance QT posts, which are not quoted, and only stated here, so you'll have to believe me on their truthiness.
Not like you guys believe me -anyway-.
If this gets me modkilled, then so be it.

Spoiler:

hohjohohoho

MY ABILITIES ARE FUCKING COOL.
My passive is that I gain the ability of the first one of you assholes who dies.
My CO Power makes me immune to all non-killing abilities for the night, but then I lose any ability I gained with my passive.
---
My CO power takes 3 stars.
---
Aaaaand I just realized that we might actually have scum in our QT neighborhood thing.
Well shit.
---
I guess you guys can vouch that I'm town for this slip?
Fuck.
Now the scum know my cool abilities.
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I really should have read the fucking thread first before assuming this was a town-only neighborhood.
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I thought that each of the different alliances would have their own QTs
and and
That the Neo Black Hole guys would have their own alliance/QT
and that we wouldn't be able to reveal out team mates, but we'd know who each of us were in the cool with.

Look, I realize this was stupid in retrospect.
But I was really excited about my role and this game.
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Like, I thought that, for some reason, everyone that was a part of our alliance was allied together.
And that I'd figure out how the alliances and CO powers worked when I read the thread.
So I came here to check in first, which turned out to be a mistake.
And I realized the stars in my CO were important, so I posted about it right as I read that.
Then I realized that our alliances will have scum in them.
So then I felt really dumb.
---
Ffery, why you gotta be a busta?
---
Cephrir, you do realize that I can actually read if a QT is a scum QT or a town QT, right?
Furthermore, why would I say non-killing abilities in my CO Power description?
Further FURTHERMORE, why would my passive be a scum passive?
I get that you think it's a slip, which is why I understand your insistence on my lynch,
But I assure you that it's not.
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;_;

I was excited about my role because I like how the powers interact and it allows me to avoid everything but the NK every other night or so.
Also, the first ability might let me pick up cool powers if you guys got killed.
I was excited because it'd be like, if one of you was a cop and claimed cop and got scum killed.
then you died and I got your cop ability
I could continue to cop people and scum wouldn't be any the wiser, thinking themselves so good for killing the cop
But really I was the backup cop~
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I got defensive because you guys started calling me scum and I'm town and I made a really dumb mistake and I feel literal retarded for it.
Now scum know my abilities, which makes them literal useless.
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I don't know.
It just says that I am immune to any ability targeting me but killing ones.
---
I assume scum has cool shit that can lock people down or roleblock or redirect to them.
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Whatever, dude, damage done.
I fucked up and I should die for it.
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I'm sorry for being literally retarded.
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I did, orc.
And you guys -are- assholes.
My sweet, sweet assholes.
--
<3

I'm sorry. I was really excited for the game and didn't read the thread before posting here--just my role PM.
That was dumb of me.
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Also, Cephrir, what were you going to quote and why?
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Is it catch scum?
Please let it be catch scum.
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Dohohoho.

No, I'm town this time.
Shit, I hope that's not a trust tell.
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Pretty much this.
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I actually did treat this like a masonry and look how I ended up. (First mention, but this is already after Orc was positing I thought it was a masonry. I say I -treated- it like one, but I didn't write that I thought it was one)
Always~
Aw.
Wait.
</3
You are a lot more mellow, though. You're really pretty rad with your jets cooled.
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What if all of Black Hole was scum but me?
That's the paranoia talking.

I -also- don't like SMP and Flubber's inputs, for what it's worth.
---
Nah, but I like rum, so maybe I should try it out?

A neighborhood with all scum but one would be pretty hilarious.
Especially if the one guy was bulletproof.
---
You could all mutiny away from me if you don't want me to get your powers when you die out of fear of me being scum or something.
I don't know.
---
Orci's defect ability directly is capable of disabling my backup stuff, which seems kind of intentional.
Since I'm town, I can see that as being kind'a scum.
But I don't want to rely solely on setup spec for scum/town shit, because I've got to figure a good deal of abilities and interactions were crafted independent of alignment.

Soooo~
I am mostly reading Orci as scum for interaction in the actual game-thread.
Don't like how you're handling my wagon, orcy.

But on the real, Cabd is pulling some hardcore strings.
---
Also, Ffery, sorry for giving you so much shit in Death's Diner and various other games.
I've since tried to distance myself for reading rhetoric as anything other than null, but,
looking back on games where I really sunk into players, I was a jerkbutt over that sort of stuff.
And it wasn't cool.
So, yeah,
<3
---
><
I really hate you guys.

These aren't quotes, so I should be fine.

[Varsoon]

Just fucking lynch me.
Put your damn vote on me.
I don't want to live anymore anyway.

[Varsoon]

Black Hole

is Sturm/Albert B. Rampage, Hawke/MafiaSSK, Lash/fferyllt, Flak/Cephrir, Von Bolt/orcinus_theoriginal, Jugger/Varsoon and is aligned with the

ALLIED NATIONS

.

I saw this as meaning that we were all town-aligned.

[Varsoon]

Also, no use in not claiming the Black Hole Alliance members.
Why?
Scum already knows all of them.
Like Orci slipped and said--there's no way all 7 of us are town.

[Varsoon]

Orci, I believed it was just what it said it was--an Alliance of people on MY faction.

did you think we were all of your alignment?

Yes, when I made my first few posts in our QT, yes.
Maybe because my ROLE PM said so.

[Varsoon]

Just fucking lynch me.
I'm hoping this town is good enough to see through your bullshit once I am dead.

[Varsoon]

Orci, I believed it was just what it said it was--an Alliance of people on MY faction.

did you think we were all of your alignment?

Yes, when I made my first few posts in our QT, yes.
Maybe because my ROLE PM said so.

do you realize then

that a group of people

that have a quicktopic

that the role PM says are all of your alignment

do you realize

that this is a masonry

i don't even care about case-building anymore because you releasing our rolenames like what the actual fuckity fuck

no

this is me trying to make sure

that you know what a fucking masonry is

HURDURR I WILL CONTINUE TO INSIST YOU ARE DUMB FOR NOT REALIZING MASONRY HURR NOT EVEN THE ISSUE DURR

[Varsoon]

Just fucking lynch me.
I'm hoping this town is good enough to see through your bullshit once I am dead.

i hope for your sake that you are scum this game

because if you are town

i will have no excitement whatsoever in playing with you ever again

Posturing, etc.

Thanks for being unforgiving, dawg.
I did make a stupid mistake, but having multiple town pressure me like jerks and continue to insist on arguing semantics over petty parts of my mistake--sorry for handling it poorly.


VOTE: Varsoon

[Varsoon]

Legit, I am sorry for making my mistake.
And I hope that you can understand that it was a mistake by the time this is done.
And not hold it against me or something.

Also, Orci, don't act all high and mighty town.
It literally benefits scum for keeping our identities hidden.

[Varsoon]

It is literally anti-town not to claim my faction, of whom I am wholly convinced has scum on it at this point.
Probably multiple scum, since it makes sense to me that NEO BLACK HOLE would have BLACK HOLE members.
Now town can maybe figure out the sorts of abilities and stuff scum has.


ORC, IF YOU BELIEVE IN MAKING NEIGHBORHOOD MEMBERSHIP PUBLIC, THEN WHY ARE YOU PUSHING MY CLAIMING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS SCUMMY?
YOU ARE JUST POSTURING, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.

@Ffery: Because after I flip it'll give town a pool to lynch from.
@Cephrir: That's why I wrote the word 'act'. Please, read before posting. If anything, let my death be an example of the stupidity of not comprehensively reading before posting.

[Varsoon]

If you're town, I can't even fathom the thought progression there.

I'm fucked anyway.
I think this helps town catch scum.
Town is willing to disregard what I do, so I shouldn't do it in half-measures.

[Varsoon]

UNVOTE:

Actually, Ceph, you've got a good point.
It also keeps a star away from probably a scummy scummer.

Doesn't really matter.

And, yes, Orc, I'm glad that you see I'm a stupid fuck.
Does loads for my confidence and stuff.

[Varsoon]

HOW DOES POSTING THE ROLE NAMES HURT TOWN?

[Varsoon]

You're all clinging to the worst reasons to vote me.
But, hey, you've been doing that all thread.

[Varsoon]

17. Daytalk is enabled for all factions by default.

Here's my only qualm. If factions also means alignments, then Varsoon could have posted that info to the scum in their thread. Nonetheless, posting it here is just narrowing down targets for the nightkill and is painfully anti-town.

Yeah.
Actually, hold the fucking phone.

[Varsoon]

HOW WOULD I KNOW ALL OF YOUR ROLE NAMES IF I WAS SCUM?

[Varsoon]

NO, REALLY. IF THE ARGUMENT IS THAT I AM SCUM FOR OUTING YOUR ROLE NAMES,
THEN SCUM WOULD ALREADY KNOW YOUR ROLE NAMES BECAUSE IF I WAS SCUM AND KNEW THEM ALL, I COULD JUST TELL THE OTHER SCUM YOUR ROLE NAMES.
CHECK MATE, HAHAHAHAHA

[Varsoon]

What a joyous way to wake up.


VOTE: varsoon

Scumclaiming this early?

[Varsoon]

NO

VARSOON

LEAVE THE THREAD

I'M SO SCARED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I'M STARTING TO THINK THAT SCUM-VARSOON WOULD'VE JUST GIVEN UP ON STAYING IN THIS THREAD

I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE TOWN

THIS IS LITERALLY THE WORST PERFORMANCE, BARRING COP GAMBITS, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN

YOU HAVE BEEN SO ANTI-TOWN THIS GAME IT'S LIKE YOU DROPPED A UCELAR BOMB ON MY CASTLE CLASH BASE

NO

LEAVE

JUST FUCKING LEAVE

YOU'RE QUAKING IN YOUR BOOTS
STOP TRYING TO POSTURE AND ESCAPE YOUR FATE, SCUM~

[Varsoon]

He's just trolling now, just fucking vote and let's move on.

How is making a legitimate counterpoint trolling?

You're definitely scum.

[Varsoon]

HOW WOULD I KNOW ALL OF YOUR ROLE NAMES IF I WAS SCUM?

NO, REALLY. IF THE ARGUMENT IS THAT I AM SCUM FOR OUTING YOUR ROLE NAMES,
THEN SCUM WOULD ALREADY KNOW YOUR ROLE NAMES BECAUSE IF I WAS SCUM AND KNEW THEM ALL, I COULD JUST TELL THE OTHER SCUM YOUR ROLE NAMES.
CHECK MATE, HAHAHAHAHA

SO SCUM EITHER DO NOT HAVE DAYCHAT, WHICH MAKES THE POINTS AGAINST MY SLIPCLAIM NULL, OR SCUM HAS DAYCHAT AND YOU'RE ALL PUSHING ME WITHOUT TAKING THE ABOVE INTO CONSIDERATION.

[Varsoon]

YOU CAN NOT SILENCE ME, ORC.

YOU'RE CAUGHT, AND YOU'RE FEELING IT, AREN'T YOU?!

[Varsoon]

HOW WOULD I KNOW ALL OF YOUR ROLE NAMES IF I WAS SCUM?

NO, REALLY. IF THE ARGUMENT IS THAT I AM SCUM FOR OUTING YOUR ROLE NAMES,
THEN SCUM WOULD ALREADY KNOW YOUR ROLE NAMES BECAUSE IF I WAS SCUM AND KNEW THEM ALL, I COULD JUST TELL THE OTHER SCUM YOUR ROLE NAMES.
CHECK MATE, HAHAHAHAHA

SO SCUM EITHER DO NOT HAVE DAYCHAT, WHICH MAKES THE POINTS AGAINST MY SLIPCLAIM NULL, OR SCUM HAS DAYCHAT AND YOU'RE ALL PUSHING ME WITHOUT TAKING THE ABOVE INTO CONSIDERATION.

quoting this on every page until town realizes voting me is a mistake.

[Varsoon]

To be fair, my slipclaim is way, way way more stupid.

[Varsoon]

On my part, that is.
I do not handle embarrassment well.

[Varsoon]

Unvote me if you're town.
Keep pushing me if you're scum.

[Varsoon]

Orc's buttflustered because I've got him in my grips~

[Varsoon]

Hahaha, thanks for calling my contributions noise.
It's a convenient way to ignore them, huh?

[Varsoon]

if you post in bolded size 200 font one more time

i will stay my vote on you

and my vote will not leave you until you or i are dead

and i assure you that the latter is not happening soon

Can I still quote the content?
Because the content of those posts is pretty important.

Alignment Affiliations are the ones that determine your alignment. The primary two in this game are the Allied Nations and Neo Black Hole, which represent the standard town/mafia factions, respectively. There may or may not be other Alignment Affiliations.

Okay. Here's why outing the entirety of your neighbourhood is anti-town, apart from the obvious. Third party alignments wouldn't necessarily have access to the information in any given nation. You just gave a huge boost to any third-parties in the game while destroying the trust of your own group (not that there was much, granted, but any remaining good will you had there has been utterly destroyed).

What is the advantage to town in leaving you alive now?

Ninja'd by Fferylt, but yeah, that.

The advantage is, I don't know, not mislynching?
We still have ALL DAY to actually catch scum.


Sorry for making people upset.


Also, there's no third parties. The opening PMs specifically say there's just Allied Nations and Neo Black Hole.
There -was- no trust in my faction. Look at my wagon:
Cephrir, Brian Skies, SMP, Konowa, Flubbernugget, Bookitty, Orcinus, Cabd

Observe how a good chunk of it is straight up people in my faction.

[Varsoon]

HOW WOULD I KNOW ALL OF YOUR ROLE NAMES IF I WAS SCUM?

NO, REALLY. IF THE ARGUMENT IS THAT I AM SCUM FOR OUTING YOUR ROLE NAMES,
THEN SCUM WOULD ALREADY KNOW YOUR ROLE NAMES BECAUSE IF I WAS SCUM AND KNEW THEM ALL, I COULD JUST TELL THE OTHER SCUM YOUR ROLE NAMES.
CHECK MATE, HAHAHAHAHA

SO SCUM EITHER DO NOT HAVE DAYCHAT, WHICH MAKES THE POINTS AGAINST MY SLIPCLAIM NULL, OR SCUM HAS DAYCHAT AND YOU'RE ALL PUSHING ME WITHOUT TAKING THE ABOVE INTO CONSIDERATION.

quoting this on every page until town realizes voting me is a mistake.

[Varsoon]

Orci just scum-told, he's getting lynched

How?


Also, my wagon, if I am reading right is:
Cephrir, Brian Skies, SMP, Konowa, Flubbernugget, Bookitty, Orcinus, Cabd

We need 11 to lynch. I'm at L-3.
Please, kindly step off of my wagon if you are town.

[Varsoon]

The opening PMs specifically say there's just Allied Nations and Neo Black Hole.

It says town wins when scum is dead (paraphrased). It doesn't say what you're saying.

The town role PM given as an example in the OP post states:

Allied Nations

--You win when all

Neo Black Hole

members are dead.

[Varsoon]

If you want a serious argument against 702, I note that neighborhoods were open before the game started.

And if (a big if) you're town you just essentially gave scum a big road map on who to kill within your faction anyways, so you can go die in a hole now.

Scum already had a big road map because they already know who is my faction.
Think for one second.

[Varsoon]

Please, kindly step off of my wagon if you are town.

Does anyone else see the issue with this?

I don't care if scum stay on my wagon?

If you're trying to argue star point things, it's not like scum earns points when they don't get a lynch.

[Varsoon]

--Alignment Affiliations are the ones that determine your alignment. The primary two in this game are the Allied Nations and Neo Black Hole, which represent the standard town/mafia factions, respectively. There may or may not be other Alignment Affiliations.

I think this explicitly leaves open the possibility of 3rd parties.

I think that the sample role PM explicitly says otherwise.

[Varsoon]

Mara, I have my hesitations on Orci-scum, but only because I know how obstinate Orci-town can get.
I do think he's scumming it up with trying to direct docs and defect with certain folks from our QT, though.

VOTE: Orcinus

[Varsoon]

Don't care for meta-points like that.
Scum-orc is just as capable for trying to look town for directing protection umbrellas over himself and strong-voiced townies he wants to be in a QT with him.

[Varsoon]

Wheh.

[Varsoon]

HOW WOULD I KNOW ALL OF YOUR ROLE NAMES IF I WAS SCUM?

NO, REALLY. IF THE ARGUMENT IS THAT I AM SCUM FOR OUTING YOUR ROLE NAMES,
THEN SCUM WOULD ALREADY KNOW YOUR ROLE NAMES BECAUSE IF I WAS SCUM AND KNEW THEM ALL, I COULD JUST TELL THE OTHER SCUM YOUR ROLE NAMES.
CHECK MATE, HAHAHAHAHA

SO SCUM EITHER DO NOT HAVE DAYCHAT, WHICH MAKES THE POINTS AGAINST MY SLIPCLAIM NULL, OR SCUM HAS DAYCHAT AND YOU'RE ALL PUSHING ME WITHOUT TAKING THE ABOVE INTO CONSIDERATION.

quoting this on every page until town realizes voting me is a mistake.

[Varsoon]

I love how everyone just sidestepped that.

[Varsoon]

Like, I don't comprehend Cabd's response of 'neighborhoods were open before the game was'.

[Varsoon]

<3

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

Notty,
Can we form our own Bloc?
We can call it the underachiever's bloc.
And we'll carry the game.

[Varsoon]

Oh, okay, notty.
Do your thing.

I'm not scum, though.
So Lynching me is a mistake.

[Varsoon]

There's really not much else I can say that hasn't already been said.
I just want town to lynch scum.
And lynching me isn't a lynch on scum, but lynching literally anyone else has a chance for it to be a lynch on scum.
^^

[Varsoon]

Oh.
I promise I'll be a good guy town player.

[Varsoon]

Orci thinks that engaging your points would be too much noise, and for that he doesn't want to.

[Varsoon]

Please keep ignoring the town applications of my post because scum literally has all this information anyway.
If scum doesn't have all this information, then asking scum in your neighborhood to claim role names would be a surefire way of figuring out who town/scum is.

[Varsoon]

;_;
Sorry.

[Varsoon]

Wait, no, I'm not sorry.
Scum -wants- you to think what I've contributed is anti-town and useless.
Scum is literally pushing a policy lynch and saying, "EVEN IF HE IS TOWN, LOOK HOW ANTITOWN HE IS."

This is bullshit.
And you're just going to let it happen, town?

[Varsoon]

Contrary to what apparently is popular belief:

Lynching town is actually not how to win as town.

[Varsoon]

Literally:

You are pushing me as scum for quoting the people in my neighborhood and the names of their roles.
But if I was scum, I'd ALREADY have this information to share with my scum team, and scum would know all role names of alliances they are in because of it.
So the argument you're pushing is either:
I am scum deliberately giving town info that I could with-hold from them that only helps them at this point,
or
I am town giving both town and scum info.

It seems like people are pushing that it doesn't matter if I am town because of giving info, but
Then that's literally admitting that I am town.
And that you're cool with lynching me.


I wish people would actually slow down and think for one second.
It makes sense scum don't want you to and will push me regardless of what I've said here.

[Varsoon]

Contrary to what apparently is popular belief:

Lynching town is actually not how to win as town.

But lynching people who don't help town at all is.

You realize that town's goal is to LYNCH SCUM, not to LYNCH TOWN, right?

[Varsoon]

mara fuck off orcinus is 100% town like i'd fakeclaim masons with him right now.

Nice scumclaim.

[Varsoon]

How am I shitting on this game?

I really can't stand this mentality.

[Varsoon]

also, what he says is true. Outting your neighborhood probably was a pro-town thing to do, especially considering the fact that it's probably the largest faction aside from scum, in the game and could also be an indicator to how big the scum-team is which is extremely beneficial to town. If scum likely already know who is within that neighborhood and what's going on inside of it, and such why hide it from the rest of town?

MARA, DON'T USE LOGIC!
THESE PEOPLE DON'T RESPOND TO LOGIC.


But yeah, pretty much this.
But noooo, I'm shitting up the game by actually playing it.

[Varsoon]

@Bookitty: I'll try not to. Let's address these points:

1. I outed my neighborhood because from my point of view, it makes sense that there's scum in it (giving town a lynchpool) and because scum likely have this information already.

2. I did not think it was a masonry--I thought we were part of an allied force. The real issue I am taking with the whole 'thinking it was a masonry' thing is that Orcinus is insisting that I saw it as specifically a masonry, when I never mentioned the word Masonry or Masons until after he brought it up. Using the word Masonry implies that I thought we were a 7 player masonry that was explicitly told they were a masonry. Instead, I thought we were an allied neighborhood, which is less explicit. Yes, THAT IS WHAT A MASONRY IS, but I never made that connection and Orci misrepresenting that I explicitly called it a masonry is lying. It's all degrees of explicitness.

3. It's clear that it's not a joke and that it's a typo, though. Sorry for trying to make joking light of it. If you think that's a slip, then mislynch me for it. At least you'll learn that people actually factually make typos sometimes.

4. I'm not spamming the thread. I'm trying to legitimately defend myself while push my own analysis and reads.

5. I'm not frantically OMGUS'ing. I've been giving reads. Please do not fall into the group of people who insist I am not contributing and that I am flailing. Lots of posts are directed at me. If you think responding to them in kind is spamming, I'm sorry.

[Varsoon]

so when varsoon says "oh hey if you think i'm scum then you shouldn't care that i claimed rolenames haha so it's not scummy!"

that is mind-blowingly stupid

because varsoon is starting off with the assumption that he is scum

so basically in varsoon's mind he's not even considering the possibility that our neighborhood might be all-town

which means in varsoon's thought process, varsoon is scum


it's going good uncle how are you

You're still misrepping me here.
That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that me claiming role names in-thread is not a scummy move because if I was scum, I'd already have that information.
I'm not considering the possibility our neighborhood is all-town because you have a defector role and I have a negative-town utility role that makes more sense if there's scum that can die and I can get their powers.
I'm not considering the possibility our neighborhood is all-town because, as you've loudly pointed out, it'd be dumb to assume we'd have a 7 player masonry.
I'm not considering the possibility or neighborhood is all-town because there's plenty of people in it playing scummy.

Illuminating that my play would make no sense and be against my wincon as scum is not a scum-mindset at all.
Please stop lying and misappropriating what I am saying in the thread.

[Varsoon]

because scum likely have this information already.

No, that is not why. You JUMPED on my comment that scum would probably already have the information. If you had thought that possible or likely, you would have made the argument yourself previously. So this is FALSE.

I know, it's as if your comment made me have the epiphany that it'd be literal nonsense for scum-varsoon to share to town who was in the neighborhood and their role names.
It's like your words on it actually made me reflect on it and come to a point on my own.
Woah!~

[Varsoon]

Bookitty, you've got it wrong because you're assuming I'm scum in all those scenarios.
Think about what reading your post as town-varsoon would mean.

READS:
1. wgeurts - Who?
2. LynxKuroneko - Scum. Replace in and instant want for my lynch is scummy. Addressed this in my interaction.
3. Flubbernugget - Scum. Bad votes, bad sheeping, little input.
4. Cephrir - Town. Genuine input, showboating rings true, etc. Feels like he's hamming up his 'woe is me for being town but not best town' in our QT, though.
5. SavetheDragons - Town. Is actually slowing down the wagon and stopping to think. Could easily sheep in given position but does not.
6. BipolarChemist - Lean-Scum. Input is not good. PoE says that he's maybe town given my QT's desire for a lynch on it.
7. fferyllt - Town. Input is town, even if I don't like it.
8. MafiaSSK - Lean-Scum. Input is weak, votes are weak.
9. honey bee - Null. Input isn't great, needs more from this slot.
10. Cabd - Scum. Is trying too hard to use meta-positioning and setup spec to push a mislynch. Isn't playing smart, considerate Cabd--just confident and scummy.
11. Ms Marangal - Lean-town. I like the slowing down of my wagon, but I am not sure how to read the push on Orci and a few other bits.
12. Albert B. Rampage - Null. Who?
13. SMP - Null. My QT doesn't like it, I think.
14. Brian Skies - Lean-Scum. Awkward input. Bad vote without having caught up.
15. grapes - Who?
16. Varsoon - Town.
17. Bookitty - Lean-Town. Process makes a lot of sense but there's some ignorance there that I think is either town-ignorance or scum-carelessness.
18. orcinus_theoriginal - Scum. I've covered this.
19. Saki - Town.
20. Konowa - Lean-scum. Little to no input, bad sheep vote on my wagon.
21. notscience - Claimed scum.

[Varsoon]

I love you guys, but we're all handling this quite poorly.
Again, sorry for my slipclaim. Sorry for everything so far.
Back to the game:

People are largely pushing me for two reasons:
I made an honest mistake and people are reading it as a scum-made-mistake despite there being poor reasons for that.
I claimed my members and their role names in-thread. If I was scum, the scum-team already had that info. Sharing it only helps town.


@Bookitty:
When outing my neighborhood, I figured that scum already had access to at least who the players in it are and likely had info on the role names.
When I read your comment, I realized that the accusations against me as scum were extremely poor because of what you said and what I posted.
I don't see what you're not understanding about this.

[Varsoon]

Here's the arc of our interaction.
It's clear that I thought that town needed this info and it'd be helpful to them.
It's clear that I thought scum already had our names and likely had our role names.
People made the argument that I was scum for 'outing' my faction.
You posit that if I was scum, then I could have shared that info in chat.
I then realized people making the argument I was outing my faction were doing so under the pretense of me being town and scum not having that info, because if I was scum I could just privately out my faction.

Spoiler:

Black Hole

is Sturm/Albert B. Rampage, Hawke/MafiaSSK, Lash/fferyllt, Flak/Cephrir, Von Bolt/orcinus_theoriginal, Jugger/Varsoon and is aligned with the

ALLIED NATIONS

.

I saw this as meaning that we were all town-aligned.

Also, no use in not claiming the Black Hole Alliance members.
Why?
Scum already knows all of them.
Like Orci slipped and said--there's no way all 7 of us are town.

It is literally anti-town not to claim my faction, of whom I am wholly convinced has scum on it at this point.
Probably multiple scum, since it makes sense to me that NEO BLACK HOLE would have BLACK HOLE members.
Now town can maybe figure out the sorts of abilities and stuff scum has.


ORC, IF YOU BELIEVE IN MAKING NEIGHBORHOOD MEMBERSHIP PUBLIC, THEN WHY ARE YOU PUSHING MY CLAIMING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS SCUMMY?
YOU ARE JUST POSTURING, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.

@Ffery: Because after I flip it'll give town a pool to lynch from.
@Cephrir: That's why I wrote the word 'act'. Please, read before posting. If anything, let my death be an example of the stupidity of not comprehensively reading before posting.

HOW DOES POSTING THE ROLE NAMES HURT TOWN?

17. Daytalk is enabled for all factions by default.

Here's my only qualm. If factions also means alignments, then Varsoon could have posted that info to the scum in their thread. Nonetheless, posting it here is just narrowing down targets for the nightkill and is painfully anti-town.

17. Daytalk is enabled for all factions by default.

Here's my only qualm. If factions also means alignments, then Varsoon could have posted that info to the scum in their thread. Nonetheless, posting it here is just narrowing down targets for the nightkill and is painfully anti-town.

Yeah.
Actually, hold the fucking phone.

HOW WOULD I KNOW ALL OF YOUR ROLE NAMES IF I WAS SCUM?

NO, REALLY. IF THE ARGUMENT IS THAT I AM SCUM FOR OUTING YOUR ROLE NAMES,
THEN SCUM WOULD ALREADY KNOW YOUR ROLE NAMES BECAUSE IF I WAS SCUM AND KNEW THEM ALL, I COULD JUST TELL THE OTHER SCUM YOUR ROLE NAMES.
CHECK MATE, HAHAHAHAHA

[Varsoon]

Boo, my epiphany was not faked.
My reasoning for outing my neighbors is that I thought scum already had access to all that info.
Your post made me realize that if I was scum, then scum would DEFINITELY have access to that info and there'd be no reasons for me to share it as town,
which made the pushes against me for 'outing' my team instantly nullified.
Basically, I realized that people were trying to scumpaint my neighborhood outing.

[Varsoon]

I did not think I was posting in a masonry.
I thought I was posting in a town-aligned neighborhood faction.
The word Masonry was not used, and is more explicit than what I assumed.
Yes, I realize they're pretty much the same thing.
Also, Orc, why are you still clinging to this?
All it does is highlight how stupid a mistake I made.
So your entire case seems to hinge, now, that I either made one of two stupid mistakes
(slipclaimed in an assumed masonry of 7)
(claimed in what I thought was a scum Qt but was actually a neighborhood)

But that's faulty, because the severity of the unlikeliness of a mistake doesn't make it any less a mistake.

Jesus.

[Varsoon]

Oh, Boo.
In 866 I meant that I thought scum knew all the players in my neighborhood.
Not necessarily their role names.
You're taking 685 out of context.
The context for 685 is that if I did know all their role names as scum, then it'd be anti-scum to share it in the game rather than just in a scum-thread.
So either scum actually do know all of the role names, or they do not, but either way, it's not scummy for me to claim role-names in the game thread, because if I was scum, I would have that info and thus not need to post it in the game thread.
I think that we're just not connecting here.

[Varsoon]

I'm saying that I think I deserve to be lynched because of the stupid mistake I made.
I'm also saying that town should actually try to hunt scum, too.

How are star points distributed on a mod-kill or a daykill?

[Varsoon]

-It is a point. It's about degrees of explicit-ness, misrepresentation, and more.
-Its the entirety of what Orc seems to be pushing on me, so I am going to address it.
-I do not have access to a scum QT. Stop lying about this.
Finally, yes, I thought that we were a 7 player group of all town. Masonry. What-the-fuck-ever. It was a mistake. I admitted that. If you can't fathom someone making that mistake, then lynch me, but you're dumb for not hunting scum or you're just being really annoying scum.

I really hate that people are trying to say me outing my neighborhood is anti-town.
Why?
It assumes I am town and promotes a policy lynch on me.
It disregards that scum likely already have this info.
It puts way too much weight on role-names, which literally have no relevancy unless you guys have roles that interact with SPECIFIC characters.

I feel like it was a town move to share my neighborhood. Scum already know who is in it.

[Varsoon]

If I did something to intentionally get modkilled to avoid scum getting starpoints on my lynch, what repercussions would it have?

[Varsoon]

I want to hear it from the mod, notsci.

[Varsoon]

I don't know, man.

[Varsoon]

Also, STD, thanks for actually paying attention to my posts instead of frothing.

[Varsoon]

Why does every post Cabd makes bother me :/

You know varsoon i might actually be giving you some benefit of the doubt here but after that replace out as last scum to try and win shitfest you fucking pulled, I refuse to give you the time of day with play like this.

Translation:

"Hey man, I'm starting to believe you or at least pretending I am but because you're you I can conveniently hide behind a suboptimal play if I truly believe you were scum."

Not quite. I'm saying at this point I don't even fucking care if he's town, it's protown to lynch him regardless of his alignment. And that he's used up what credibility as a player he has, so this "i wanna modkill myself" shit doesn't move me like it might have in the past.

Scumclaim by Cabd.
"I want to lynch town."

Let him lie about all the great reasons to lynch town.
Mechanically, it's literally scum's wincon.


I'm not going to get myself modkilled, you sillies.
I'm just curious about how it'd be handled.

[Varsoon]

At this point, I'm even worried STD is buddying/setting up for when I do flip town.
So on and so forth.
Too noided.

[Varsoon]

Modkill stuff is hypothetical.
I'd never actually get myself modkilled.
Jesus.

[Varsoon]

<3
Good stuff otherwise, boo.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Mara

I believe in Boo.

[Varsoon]

Nice misrepresentation and speculation, scumd.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, that's true and does link up.
Could be Orci pulling strings buuuut~
I like this push for now.

[Varsoon]

<3 Mara

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Orci

Mara, you responded really well to the pressure.
Instead of setting up contingencies should Orci flip town, you've completely dedicated to your scumread there.
I really like you 974.

[Varsoon]

Someone please summarize what has happened so far.

Read the game.
It's honestly not that much.
If you can't commit at least that much effort, then why are you playing forum mafia in a large game?

[Varsoon]

Bookitty, I don't like how one-sided your summary is. Mentioning the modkill thing like it is even relevant is kinda messed up, but there's a lot of preoccupation about talking about me and Mara, but not so much other players who are just as active and influential.

[Varsoon]

He's responsible for 122 posts in 2 days lol. Can we lynch him now, please?

Weak play, Albert.
Weak.

[Varsoon]

Please don't write off my contributions, thoughts, and play once I'm dead.

[Varsoon]

He's responsible for 122 posts in 2 days lol. Can we lynch him now, please?

Weak play, Albert.
Weak.

You self-voted. You asked to be lynched. You outted everyone in our alliance. Then you made another 100 posts. This is madness.

I unvoted. I said I deserved to die for my mistake but that lynching scum is our objective. I never outted anyone in our alliance because Scum already knew who we all were. I made posts because I was actually playing the game.

Weak play, Albert.
Unvote and play the game as well.
Unless you're scum, your vote is unjustified.

[Varsoon]

Also, this is my perspective only.

@Varsoon: What do you want? I can't write a summary of the game from someone else's perspective. You made the modkill comments ITT. If they weren't relevant, why did you bother? It looked like a threat to me.

I wanted a summary of the game that was unbiased and doesn't convince another player to vote town thoughtlessly.

[Varsoon]

Don't let scum continue to dupe you.
Orcinus is using an ability tonight to allow him to defect from Black Hole into a QT Alliance of his own with anyone in Black Hole that elects to defect as well.
He convinced Ffery and Cephrir to go with him so far.

[Varsoon]

I'm not flailing.
I'm stopping your plan.
Also--that's not how it worked? I thought you said "one of my abilities is at the end of day 1 you guys will get the option of mutiny to the bolt guards. If you do, you leave this neighborhood and are placed in one with me. "
And then "ONLY black hole members can defect to bolt guard. It is a voluntary choice at which point you lose affiliation with the black hole."

Apparently Albert isn't allowed to, though.

[Varsoon]

I'M SORRY FOR PUSHING MY SCUMREAD AND TRYING TO SHOW YOU WHAT HIS PLANS ARE.

You guys are handling this very poorly and it's really uncool.
I can get scum being shitlords, but there's too many people treating me like trash.
:/

[Varsoon]

You all keep acting like me sharing info from our QT to town is scum-based
When the reality is that scum already has all this info.
So, really, you're literally misrepresenting the truth of things to push a mislynch.

[Varsoon]

I'm glad to be fodder, dead, etc, if it helps town find scum.
So, please don't forget me, town.
If you hate me, fine, hate me,
but don't neglect the facts of what happened here.

[Varsoon]

Just hammer me, you guys.
It's no big deal.
This town is too blind to realize I'm town.
They're too proud, too.

[Varsoon]

Again, I'm sorry if I ruined the game for any of you.

[Varsoon]

<3 Bookitty.
I'm town.

I'm not going to refuse to interact with players because it'll be a long read. Players know what they're getting in to when they join large games.
My town motivation for claiming QT stuff is that the scum already know, so I'm making it common knowledge for town to work with.

[Varsoon]

Besides, I was hoping to encourage town to scumhunt outside of just blindly pushing my mislynch.
I tried putting pressure on places and deducing what I could for myself.
I think that's important.

[Varsoon]

I think those arguments can be really fruitful.
People who overlook them are not considering the game as a whole, and are weaker for it.

[Varsoon]

I was in this game!


:l

[Varsoon]

I actually really enjoyed it and stuff.
Sorry for being a Varsoon.

[Varsoon]

I also never got a link to the dead thread, I think.
I wanted to chum up.
You all were cool this game,
Sorry for derping out early.
But I guess it helped out in the end?

[Varsoon]

<3
Lemme know when you sign up for a game, then.

[Varsoon]

Sorry I got so pissy, Varsoon.

Aw, it's all G. I think you're cool regardless! It's easy to get heated in a game. :3

@Brian: Gotta live by your decisions and learn through them! Lynching me seemed like the right option. I should've upped my game if I didn't wanna be lynched.

[Varsoon]

You too! Let me know if you sign up for a game you'd like me in!