You could be anyone II - Game Over

[Kise]

yeah im town af mollie but Titus didn't get the memo
so someone has a neutral recap to offer me so we can get down to business? bbl

[Kise]

Didn't read shit but saw someone killed someone

Unvote
Vote: Hostile Intent

I'm town as fuck guys. Seriously.

[Kise]

Just listing this

Mafia-
-I am innoncent- confirmed

-Ihnc

-titus -she did know their was a protection role and if she is mafia that would explain why she knew it and why she felt confident saying HI targeted vekoz because she genuinely believed he was sk. Her reactions if scum makes me feel like sk was the one who vekoz. I am unsure on this slot

-possible 4th maybe I believe there would be no more than 4 with a sk through.


SK-
mollie

vote: titus

So Mollie kills ihnc tonight right?

[Kise]

^ kise is still scum guys

also I am not the sk. garmr is that is why he is banging on about me being the sk but wants to vote titus.

did you believe me about IaI? NO! do I expect you to believe me from here on out? NO!

am i town trying to help town? YES!

Shit'll be sorted out. Why vote someone u think is SK over Titus?

[Kise]

I await her answer but I fear I will have to lynch her with yall boys.

[Kise]

but mollie

^ kise is still scum guys

also I am not the sk. garmr is that is why he is banging on about me being the sk but wants to vote titus.

did you believe me about IaI? NO! do I expect you to believe me from here on out? NO!

am i town trying to help town? YES!

Shit'll be sorted out. Why vote someone u think is SK over Titus?

[Kise]

Framer or Redirector. Done.

Much simpler. I was doing that yesterday. These were the likely conclusions.

Frame investigative target numbero uno by framer or redirect. Town PR has guilty. Two mislynches.


You would think by now there would be a cc or a guilty claim.

You crumbed to Ika that you were tracker, do I have that rigt?

[Kise]

Which one is ika?

[Kise]

If anyone wants to know what 'scum fake claiming tracker to get town lynched then attempting to pull themselves out of the hole the next day' looks like....it looks like what Titus is doing today.

I see zero reason to believe any explanation of why her 'results' contradict facts of flips.

Also, the assumption that it was a "

town

rb" that prevented 'results' from happening last night is pretty damning in my opinion. If Titus is town and a tracker, from her POV, it should be scum preventing her from acting, not town. The only way that comes out in a post as a "town rb" prevention is if Titus is some sort of scum.

mental slips tho

[Kise]

Club going up

on a Tuesday

[Kise]

Titus is saying to ihnc that she was blocked last night and will likely continue to be blocked, therefore she prob won't be able to successfully track house if she lives tonight.

Nero what's happening?

[Kise]

Nero what's happening?

trying to get SWTOR to work

OMG ARE YOU PLAYING THAT GAME????

I LOVED IT

add Vyrte

[Kise]

is pikmin the one where u and dgb went at it?

[Kise]

Good to hear, mollie. Nero vanished so I don't have anyone to star wars with.

UNVOTE:

Do you have proof Titus is town or was that a gambit or are you leaving her to hang or what's going on with that?

[Kise]

Proof?

[Kise]

lol I like House

mollie im on steam too

[Kise]

I should point out that the SK could be a ninja, but then that means Titus is probtown and I'd have to unvote and don't wanna do that. So Garmr is right.

[Kise]

Yeah that v/la is long

MOD, anything going on with Jackal & Aunt J?

[Kise]

ur right

[Kise]

Also, how could I make up a PM that matched exactly what Jason does as a mod without being a town PR?

Tbf ive asked at least one mod in the last year+ how they'd word a PM so I could use it in my fakeclaim. Depends on if the fakeclaim was given to you. It avoids mod-meta situations like this one game where I was mislynched for trying to fake a role that someone else knew the mod hated using.

Well I guess that's an example that doesn't match up, but it all falls under the mod-meta umbrella.

I'm having a hard time letting you go, as I used to gambit myself a long time ago.

[Kise]

House is pretty much soft-claiming an innocent on me.

I've asked at least twice if he had proof and he didn't commit to a 100%

[Kise]

Good to hear, mollie. Nero vanished so I don't have anyone to star wars with.

UNVOTE:

Do you have proof Titus is town or was that a gambit or are you leaving her to hang or what's going on with that?

Proof?

As of now, he hasn't committed to saying yes. I'm a little too old to trust anything less than 100.00%.

[Kise]

He pretty much did.

Pretty much doesn't cut it. lol?

[Kise]

Why would I do a gambit that gains me nothing Kise?

HI was lynchbiat. House is claiming inno on me.

Cmon.

Someone already went over how you could have mistook HI as the SK and confidently rallied against him. It's somewhere in the last 30-40 pages of you skinning the cat.

[Kise]

If House claims 100% inno on u, I'll claim macho doc to absorb the kill and move my vite

[Kise]

Kinda think House is town and just felt like he had to gambit to free Titus since that was his personal townread. Not lynching him today or straightaway tomorrow, sorry Tip.

[Kise]

I'm scum, I'm just not mafia aligned.

[Kise]

((FBI immune SK but dont tell, shhhhhsh))

[Kise]

but muh nullreads

[Kise]

Not lynching mollie. FormerFish, Nero & House would be my lynchees. Yeah I lied about the townread, figured it would buy me more time.

[Kise]

Also this is a self note to read 129-->

[Kise]

Nah im just like, why the hell can't Jackal and Aunt J get modkilled and shit. It kinda makes sense to let inactive scum live so you don't hinder the rest of the team.

Not mod meta'ing, but that theory combined with your (fish) well informed entrance makes me think some red ppl helped fill you in.

House tried to gambit and save Titus yesterday, then somewhere along the line said fuck it she's toast and voted her. The way she "fought" back was weird.

And Nero, well he skirted around the Titus wagon all last phase. There wasn't even an acknowledgement of the fuck up with her and HI.

[Kise]

That may have been a lie but either way, Nero wasn't even out for blood yesterday. All I saw while observing him and that overdrawn phase was scum thinking maybe just maybe Titus can get through this.

[Kise]

This wagon is fine.

VOTE: FormerFish

Nero's still scum.

ikr, "im fine voting huever yo guys want, m jus gon be in this corner in meantiem..oh okay so u guys got titus l-2, now l-1 but im not gunna vote jus yet, in case u guis rnt sure, limme fluf pots bout ster wers"

Vote: formerfish

Only voting these 2 and House. Don't matter who scumslips in the next 2 weeks.

[Kise]

This wagon is fine.

VOTE: FormerFish

Nero's still scum.

ikr, "im fine voting huever yo guys want, m jus gon be in this corner in meantiem..oh okay so u guys got titus l-2, now l-1 but im not gunna vote jus yet, in case u guis rnt sure, limme fluf pots bout ster wers"

Vote: formerfish

Only voting these 2 and House. Don't matter who scumslips in the next 2 weeks.

really

I'm not talking about you I'm talking about Nero.

[Kise]

3363

[Kise]

Why should I bother? I'm the scapegoat, and town is derpy enough to buy into it, so lynch away and then look at who pushed the wagon.

why use this instead of saying maybe you brought it on yourself?

[Kise]

Why were you townreading Titus again?

[Kise]

There are 7 wagons..7 people you all find worth eliminating, and you want to get rid of the probable SK - who would otherwise thin the herd?

And how do you see the next phases going if there's a series of mislynches? Keep wasting time mislynching right, when the SK could have flipped these people for us?

[Kise]

Doubtful on the mislynch part, brother.

[Kise]

Fuck sake what happened to fish wagon?

[Kise]

unvote:
Vote: house

[Kise]

Can we not drag this out like last phase? That shit was ridiculous and the fact Titus wiggled that long shows how naive scum take you for.

[Kise]

Doubtful on the mislynch part, brother.

Would you lynch Mollie when I flip town?

No.

[Kise]

Official Vote Count

pirate mollie

(4): Formerfish, Nero Cain, Garmr, pirate mollie

House

(3): StrangerCoug, RachMarie, House

Formerfish

(2): Kthxbye, TiphaineDeath

Kthxbye

(1): d3x

Garmr

(1): Ankamius

Ankamius

(1): Josh_B

Nero Cain

(1): PeregrineV

Not Voting

(3): Kise, TheWayItEnds, Pine

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

(expired on 2014-12-06 18:30:56)

till Day 4 Deadline

Happy Saturday ya'll!!

None of the top three are the lynch for today.

Funny thing is, I can vote with you as well as 2 of those top 3. Wanna be my teammate?

[Kise]

Not lynching House

He is most clearly Town player here. Scum just doesn't hard defend a sinking ship like that

Not caught Titus-scum, I take it?

Don't understand this post. My premise is that I don't find it plausible that House!scum would defend Titus!scum so vigorously when Titus was so very screwed

When they keep going back and forth about "I occasionally gambit!!", yeah I believe they do. Notice how House wouldn't say 100% whether he had a town result on Titus? Notice how he slid back and voted her? Notice that weird interaction they had afterward where she didn't want to bury him? Notice how TSO said vote House the next day, but now he's dead? Notice how stalled the wagons are today?

Scum would have benefitted more from keeping TSO alive as a vote on House if he was going to be a mislynch. Oh and as a bonus, notice me giving House a townread but then being like "nah sike, I'm alive Waddup doe?"

Jajajajaja

[Kise]

td,ktnx,josh,ank for mafia. Mollie for sk and anyone that gets in my way of lynching mollie. Just like how I took down aj who was universally town read by everyone to get to waynegg in airplane mafia. Beside mollie has a lot more value alive to me if I was scum than if i was town.

this is why i need to be lynched. like fucking now. it gives this dickhead zilch to do afterwards and he can find a new target to bully.

d3x you know I am making sense, you will be removed from the game cos garmr is telling you that you are standing in his way. he wants me lynched to the exclusion of all else and I would rather it be with my permission cos it will rob him of the joy of me having said "no".

it is either him or me.

or you are just prolonging my fucking agony.

@ rach - I missed that you thought that I was town but good to know you continue to not misread me. you are 1 of the elite who has always read me correctly. d3x and kthnx are in there too that is kthnx is probably scum.

No. Hang in there. Focus on the scum, there's more than 1.

[Kise]

3599 is scum posting.

And there's plenty of ppl wanting him lynched. In fact I remember 6 or 7 votes on fish. Your vote would be appreciated, as molliewagon is not happening.

I might go vla til fish, house or Nero get l-1. Nothing left to say and none of the old comments are worth revisiting as far as it concerns other players. I know you guys, and know you're better than to leave visible tracks if you were scum. That said and out the way, I can't shake Nero, house or fish off.

If the SK wants to shoot one of those 3 or sacrifice Pine, that's cool.

[Kise]

Lol sorry Pine. You're a real detriment though. You held us up last phase and are holding us up again. You didn't think Titus was scum, okay. You don't think House is scum...why aren't you second guessing yourself when it's proven you've been wrong before?

[Kise]

kise might be town

ik

[Kise]

Only because you won't put a sock in it and lynch better targets.

[Kise]

I don't think 3644 works now. Anti-town wouldn't be manipulated now that they see what you want them to do. Why'd you feel the need to explain all that stuff to your scumread?

[Kise]

Only because you won't put a sock in it and lynch better targets.

I love you kise.

The last person who said they love me....wait nevermind LOVE YOU TOO

[Kise]

[Kise]

unvote:
Vote: nero

[Kise]

Lol

Also Pine I asked u something. Hi btw.

[Kise]

Just in case anyone tries to dispute PV down the line, a tailor pretty much proves the existence of a cop.
Got guilty?

[Kise]

vote: garmr

[Kise]

Actually scum seem to be shooting from the Titus wagon. Maybe pine, Ank, d3x, ktb, fish and possibly House aren't in danger of being killed if that pattern is correct. I'll get back to fish but now I'm looking at ktb'so votes -- ehh.

unvote:
vote: fish

Also keep in mind that scum's kill was missing n1 as well. Last night's missing kill would be due to a doc, bp/sk, rb or they chose not to kill to give the illusion only sk was left (lol). I'm really hoping they didn't think they could take out PV without clearing for a doc but, oh well, their loss.

[Kise]

Just remembered Josh was SK kill so scratch that first line

[Kise]

I'm speedreading but I caught that. I think you're confusing me saying Josh was the sk's kill with me saying Josh was the sk (??)

[Kise]

"Executed" is the SK kill

Seriously, no one else needed this spelled out. It's just that obvious

I agree. How can anyon-

We know who the SK (or Vig, why does no one ever acknowledge this possibility?) probably is. We can get rid her later if she stops being useful

Your ignoring the fbi agent flip right?

Actually, yeah. I was completely forgetting that. Okay, so not Vig. It's still in SK's interest to scumhunt, execute suspects, and generally be as useful and Townish as possible

Kind of curious why Mollie's giving me a hard time when I'm saying that killing her is stupid

Oh....

[Kise]

kise, pine is voting for me

but says he is not advocating me being killed.

eta: oh and more sk wifom.

I told you guys he should have been sacrificed.

In the back of my head, he's a big possibility for scum, but not the biggest possibility. Anyone defending Titus just looks crooked to me. I may get him today or later.

PV where the fuck???

[Kise]

Pine I'm not misrepping. You said, paraphrashing: "Nope. I don't see scumTitus taking that kind of chance banking on HI being the SK somethingsomething."

That counts. I'll have to read this last page in a few mor hours later.,

[Kise]

Alright. This was my question from earlier- I forgot to quote it:

You held us up last phase and are holding us up again. You didn't think Titus was scum, okay. You don't think House is scum...why aren't you second guessing yourself when it's proven you've been wrong before?

This was in regards to joining an optimal wagon last phase.

[Kise]

Sixth, go fuck yourself

I'd prefer to do that first actually. It's blue ball season.

Yeah obviously I'm trying to figure you out, but I didn't set you up in a damned-if-do/don't situation. Let's cut the creeping hostility out because it's not making sense to come at me like that.

The question is still relevant because you've been slamming your foot on the brake pads 2 phases in a row, and loudly rebelling the way you are is a hindrance. You've either not been voting or have been on suboptimal wagons that weren't going anywhere. At one point, you posted that you were super busy with work and contemplating replacing out. That told me a lot, so guess what? I'm trying to assist you, and right now my way assisting you is slowly getting you to see that your stubborn way isn't working.

Non-town are typically 1/4 of the player list at the least, which means 5 or 6 mafia is sensible, even accounting for an SK. Even if mollie truly is the SK, her having a kill has not lived out its usefulness.

I have a theory that, if there weren't any town roles (or a bulletproof SK) preventing scum from killing last night, they may have chosen to forgo the kill to give the appearance that only the SK is a threat. This would supposedly put momentum towards lynching mollie, but others have already said that there's no way the scum team is 2 goons, a tailor and encryptor.

[Kise]

Kise, how would the lack of a scum kill make us think that scum isn't a threat?

Because if you look at people voting mollie, they say "hey maybe mafia is all gone now so let's lynch her since she's prob the SK and has no more use to town"

Garmr & Pine seem to believe scum aren't a threat. Ask them.

[Kise]

And Garmr especially jumped right on mollie in his first post today. I forget whether it's the same for Pine.

[Kise]

Keep in mind this started as 25 players, not 20. 1/4 of 25 is about 6 (for non-towns)

Pere I'mreading you as town but I am getting a bit of a paranoid feeling. I will just push that to the back of my head.

why for?

Hey, Mr. derpcop, go read the part where I got confirmed and then vote anak with me.

I'm willing to go out on a limb and say neighborizer is too weak of a role to give to scum, all dead scum considered.

How does this game work - it's a upick or supposed to be balanced? I think I read somewhere it's the former.

Even through I don't think ank is scum anymore through neros interactions I'm more than happy to lynch him if we have to compromise.

I wouldn't be happy about that. I get the feeling you're trying to slick the wheels on an Ank wagon. Garmr pls.

I don't think house is scum. I think it's town and sk.

You called him scum earlier. What made the read change?

[Kise]

2.I already explained when I got my house town read but I'm not telling you were to punish you for being lazy.

I've literally been drunk since thanksgiving, garmr pls

[Kise]

I appreciate that. But forgive me. Are you saying House is town because you believe it's town vs SK (mollie)?

And one last question: Why did you go along with Nero saying you 2 were teammates?

[Kise]

Hakuna matada, Mollie. I used to tease you for being SK because of what Garmr was saying last phase. Looking back, and looking at the 2 voting you, I don't find them to be reliable/sheepable players. Pine is swamped with work and IRL things afaict, and his voting/unvoting positions hurt him. I'm looking back now and really not sure why I just flew with "Garmr says so" but I don't feel you're SK.

Can't remember who but someone said you immediately jumped on Titus when she called HI the SK, likely because you're SK and knew Titus was lying. I think that accusation doesn't hold up now.

That said and out the way, what do you guys make of the SK's targets: Trying to please town? Simply preferring to kill possible mafia > everyone? Avoiding a kill overlap with the mafia's kill? Other? It's something I recently thought about that could help us profile the SK a bit.

[Kise]

Garmr

Hakuna matada, Mollie. I used to tease you for being SK because of what Garmr was saying last phase. Looking back, and looking at the 2 voting you, I don't find them to be reliable/sheepable players.

Pine is swamped with work and IRL things afaict

, and his voting/unvoting positions hurt him. I'm looking back now and really not sure why I just flew with "Garmr says so" but I don't feel you're SK.

Can't remember who but someone said you immediately jumped on Titus when she called HI the SK, likely because you're SK and knew Titus was lying. I think that accusation doesn't hold up now.

That said and out the way, what do you guys make of the SK's targets: Trying to please town? Simply preferring to kill possible mafia > everyone? Avoiding a kill overlap with the mafia's kill? Other? It's something I recently thought about that could help us profile the SK a bit.

How to lose a town read. You are trying discredit pine by bringing rl things in when its obvious he posting and update. You should be trying to argue against his ingame content not the outside world.

That titus thing was also part of my case and why wouldn't it hold up anymore what changed?

Right because it's not like Pine is possibly still busy working. If someone says "I should've replaced out" and DOESN"T tell everyone that their schedule is lighter, I continue to believe they're busy. Unless he went from full time to a part time job within these past 2 weeks - or quit, or something - then I'm pretty sure he still has the same work schedule.

It doesn't hold up because I was in the moment and really rallying behind you back then, but I stopped gassing you up and used my brain for myself. I can't lock mollie in a box. There's multiple reasons why she could have sided with HI over Titus.

Got a few more pages to read, brb

[Kise]

Too busy trying to defend myself against morons and get it through some thick skulls that SK is a bigger threat than mafia remnant.

Right, But you aren't acknowledging that the 4 flipped scum with minor roles are too little to be the entire extent of the mafia's size & power.

kise

If you love me, more importantly if you love yourself, you need to stop engaging the same people in back and forths. Believe me when I say your last few posts about there being a vig are not helping. There's an SK.

Garmr you didn't answer the question I've linked in the last post. Twice now I've wanted you to address that and you haven't. This is why you're becoming shady and untrustworthy, on top of your sk hunting.

[Kise]

omg...SO many of you are feigning ignorance.

Stop. Game is too easy.

[Kise]

She's not becoming shady and untrustworthy.

[Kise]

also don't be a fucking retard and link something like @garmr I didn't even notice it was link.

Sure I'm a retard but I'm smart enough to know that blue text with an underline and my own name is highly likely to be a link addessed towards me. Nice try wiggling out. On another note, I'm probably the last person you could anger or hurt with words.

@Nerocain

Tbh I wanted to question you but I don't know where to start. You have 20 or so post and not one jumps out at me and that concerns me. So engage with me on something to give me a little clarity. (ps you can ask questions about what I'm thinking to.)

IHNC got it, I think.

Can we talk about something else, though? That'd be alright with me.

Yep sure what your opinion on nero cain for example.

Side note nerocain has been more active else where Does nero prefer town or scum?

Nero's town

For the longest time in this game, you show uncertainty about Nero and question him, as well as question others to help you read him. No where before you call him town do you indicate what solidifies the read - And yes, no matter how you spin it, you called Nero town at a crucial time when his name was being brought up to be lynched. Had you still be unsure about Nero, I don't see you piping up to defend him when no one asked you to.

Nero says "I agree with my teammate," which I can only guess was another half baked gambit from a member of the mafia to preface a mason claim. Out of the blue, you say he's town when he comes under fire and later go along with him, "Yes Nero is my teammate." PV slams a guilty up his ass and the two of you go ghost. Within the past 30 hours, I question you about this teammate bullshit and it takes 3 times asking before you acknowledge it.

Add that to your ignorance when proclaiming the mafia is wiped out and only mollie-SK is a worthy suspect...yeah, I'm definitely not your teammate.

pedit: @ ktb, I don't think VCA works here. The scum are/were filled with risk takers. It's pretty rare to see that many mafia piled onto the same wagon D1, but I also don't think they needed to all vote TD to help push it through when the wagon was building fine. It's possible TD's wagon is all town, but I don't agree that VCA is why we should take out TD.

@mollie, don't let ktb rile you up please.

[Kise]

fuck it I'm down to lynch td even if there's a chance he may be town. Just cause he doesn't seem useful.

UNVOTE: TheWayItEnds (

VOTE: TiphaneDeath

*cries*

as a birthday gift may I please have a few bullets, Jason?

Whats your read on Garmr?

I hated his post that you quoted and I also hate that Jason didn't give me any bullets.

I would have at least poked at Nero harder than you did, Garmr. He wants you dead one minute and the next you two are secretly townreading each other. You're not getting off the shitlist.

[Kise]

The day doesn't matter, jackass. If someone starts talking about shooting me, I'm not going to forget, and I'm also going to press them on it if they never even bother to explain their apparent scumread. You choose to reply to that one and not the post I made above? You choose not to explain why you inexplicably townread Nero? You said I discredited Pine, and is that not what you're doing by repeatedly calling me dumb/retarded?

Unvote:
Vote: Garmr

I have been reasonably scumhunting you and you've selected which bits you want to respond to, if at all. What you aren't doing is offering a comment on what's important, like when/why you decided Nero was town; why you said Nero was town in order to deter Ank & myself; why you were never bothered that he wanted you dead.

I'm pestering you..boo fucking hoo. Are you not an adult? Do you not know how to properly defend yourself without faking a hissy fit to show how emotionally frustrated I'm supposedly making you?

If someone was coming at me with questions the way I'm coming at you, I would recognize what they were doing and not avoid them, and I certainly wouldn't run away by putting them on ignore.

Also go fuck yourself too.

[Kise]

You're not doing what I want. That's unfair.

[Kise]

Mollie and I have called each other anti-town at certain points. You're a real scumread, sorry.

[Kise]

I mean let me run it by everyone else how big the mafia's balls have been. They do the unthinkable by piling on to the same wagon D1. Titus gambles by accusing HI of killing vezo. Nero has the courage not to bus Titus in the face of her lies D3.

Let's move to Garmr. He lies about being a hider and targeting Josh. He helps Nero lie by calling each other town buddies, which I suspect was setting up some kind of fakeclaim that they would use to "confirm" one or both of them in thread. He wants us to believe only the SK is left.

+ignoring answering me
+fake hissy fits
+attempts to

DISCREDIT

me, saying I'm dumb, a retard, and have bias for mollie

[Kise]

You did which means you either have some confirmation bias for mollie or you don't really think i'm being scummy and just want to lynch me.

+strawmanning

I'm watching an SVU marathon. I feel like I could do this all morning.

You know what you can add on your list kise the fact your a dr and I outed you for mafia to kill you.

Sure, did you hide behind me to find that out too?

[Kise]

Oh I get it, you want to talk in code so your team kills me. Lemme let you in on a lil secret, I can self protect.

[Kise]

You know what you can add on your list kise the fact your a dr and I outed you for mafia to kill you.

+hunting town PRs

[Kise]

hey fishy, kise is saying that garmr is faking it. pay attention.

Yeh but at the time kise didn't know that so that proves he has double standards

No I knew you were faking because it didn't make sense for you to flip out unless you were looking for an excuse not to be bothered with me.

[Kise]

Not lying.

[Kise]

I prefaced the whole thing with "I'm the last person you'd make mad"

I don't have to be mad to call someone a jackass. Call a spade a spade.

[Kise]

@SC, I just traded with Garmr all yesterday+last night. I think my points about him and Nero are less liquid than him calling me doc.

[Kise]

Yes

[Kise]

The case on Gamr is crap, also imo.

Do you know something I don't? I'm not really a case making guy but what I've been saying is that it doesn't make sense for either Garmr or Nero to go from "i wanna shoot you!" to "he's my town teammate". Nero was full on hating Garmr, while Garmr occasionally questioned people what to make of Nero since he was unsure. It wasn't until some scum dropped that they suddenly and inexplicably had townreads on each other.

[Kise]

Selective quoting you got there. If anyone actually bothers/bothered, they'd see I already went and quoted your full interactions together. Now if you're saying you townread Nero, as oppose to just using him to keep him happily voting with you, then that's lazy if you're town, and something I don't see as much as I can see you two simply becoming teammates to fool the SK into scum-shooting elsewhere.

pedit: last sentence^
+it makes TD look bad
+scum have been failing at their gambits all game, why stop now?

[Kise]

I'm still pretty sure that Garmr isn't scum.

Why are you pretty sure about that?

Can scum fake a p3286? Maybe, but I read full genuine hunting in TD (and not just cuz he put me in the town pile...).

Town for me are:
d3x
TD
PM (yup, still town reading her)
Kise
Ank
SC

I'm good with TD's scum reads and reasons as well. In fact, if we wanna swing this shit over to Josh, I'd be even happier. Gonna stay on fish for now though since it's a thing and I'm not nearly involved enough to lead the wagon over to Josh.

RachMarie
Pine (replaces inte)
Formerfish (replaces Jackal711; Yiley)
TiphaineDeath

Today's lynch pool imo. The case on Gamr is crap, also imo.

Do I think TD is a scum-neighborizer, yes I do.

Interesting. I've looked through and you've recently had TD as town. The switch seems to be because you think he's a GF.

Oh, and one other thing, SK hunting at this point is stupid. It's about as good as a town vig at this point in the game and what's the stats on sk's ever winning games again? oh yeah, super low.

Also, I'm getting the feeling PM might be SK after all. We have a few non-kill nights and plenty of speculation on whether the SK is bullet proof.

Cross anyone else's mind that one of the people pushing her as SK super hard is scum and know's she's at minimum bulletproof and drew the conclusions from that?

Just a thought. Not anywhere near actionable from where I sit. Just posting thoughts.

Pine, FF, Garmr. What's good?

[Kise]

-/+/= Don't see how it makes TD look bad explain?

"Confirmed town masons" would make the possibility of a town neighborizer slimmer than it already is, thus paranoia, thus TD is suspected.

[Kise]

i gtg

[Kise]

I don't like the way that Kise blindly follows Mollie around like a lost little puppy, defending her against any and all suspicion. Decrying people as scum for doing things that he refuses to see as scummy in Mollie herself.

That's not even the meat of why I'm voting Garmr. Pay attention. Find other suspects if you will because I'm not voting mollie today or tomo.

[Kise]

not sure if ill have time to read this today - if not, then tomo

[Kise]

not sure if ill have time to read this today - if not, then tomo

You should- a lot of it is about you. I think.

but stuff

[Kise]

I think mafia rolecopped d3x and knew he was doc. Garmr, being scum, fakes like he believes I'm doc out of frustration, then they kill d3x to go "see if I was scum I would've killed Kise".

Pine is guilty, why am I not surprised.

Vote: Pine

[Kise]

Busted...what gave me away, Scooby gang?

[Kise]

If I got an innocent I may have tried a gambit of some sort. If there were a lot of scum left. But since I got a guilty, figured I'd see who was worried about being busted. But I also looked at pine's ISO and voting, and realized that I wasn't going to get any info from them, so will leave it to the rest of town.

Guessing pine is mafia scum and not SK, else he would have tried claiming SK by now.

Well with doc being dead, u know tonight is like last supper. :-/

Any last words?

[Kise]

Cus Garmr don't wanna go solo

[Kise]

Cus Garmr don't wanna go solo

Pine if i was mafia/sk don't you think I would of shot you night 3 I would of been tempted to.

You thought your buddy Pine was saying you didn't wanna go solo?
I'm just having fun, Garmr.

[Kise]

ALRIGHT MOLLIE TIMES UP

VOTE: MOLLIE

j/k but I don't think I said sup to you Nacho so sup

Yeah it's looking like kthx is our man. Not completely trusting Pine saying he's the last scum but hopefully the SK is gone asap.

So what do we have to talk about?

[Kise]

Unvote:

...just in case that went to Nacho for some weird reason.

[Kise]

6 pages in the hole. Hang on.

[Kise]

Living Players

RachMarie

StrangerCoug

Kise (replaces Majiffy)

Ankamius (replaces Mom)

TheWayItEnds

Garmr

TiphaineDeath

Nachomamma8 (replaces pirate mollie)

Kthxbye

Reads yay~

Kise was cleared of being the SK by HI.

Shhh

since I'm dying next, claiming vengeful townie. This + bomb + cop + doc + sk make me think scum have some kind of bulletproof role. I'm fine voting Garmr as I still think he's a good shot for scum. If I had to rank SK choices:

kthx-twie-sc-tip-ank-nacho-rm

This is based on the kill choices. Rach can't be caught up enough to mafia hunt the way the SK was. Those are kills I'd make if I had a good, concentrated idea of who was scummy / likely to flip maf. I stuck Tip in the middle because my last large normal had a neighborizing SK, so never rule that plot twist out.

Anyway I'm still reading.

[Kise]

Also, killing the cop (which I'm aware could be a clever trick) may have come from someone who truly believed Pine was the last mafioso. In that case, SC & TWIE are interchangeable.

[Kise]

Nah I'ma be safe and SK hunt. If the game still persist following their lynch, meaning scum is still present, my ghost vote would be on Garmr. Not today tho.

[Kise]

I said they are interchangeable but I would personally prefer twie over sc. Twie has been looking cozy, playing somewhat safe. My only reluctance in saying that is due to his aggression at the start of the day. Overall, I do feel he's put himself in a cozy spot.

I think it was house or fish who self voted and made me back off them. Maybe both. I'm gonna be a sucker and back off ktb for the same reason. ONE LAST TIME. I give ktb credit because I never explained to fish or house that their self vote made me back off.

Vote: thewayitends

Shitty deal. There's no real way to defend from SK suspicion in this situation, but this is where my instinct points.

[Kise]

I'm in a state where mostly everyone's posts seems sly, shady and possibly underhanded.

@TD, I'm just not going for the most shady targets any more. Lone SK would be crazy if they didn't try to keep up a good appearance, so I'm SK hunting in reverse. I think TWIE has fewer faults to his name than most. Like I said, he was good out the gate today and when he was railing against Titus. After we lynched her, he kinda dipped in activity until today.

@KTB, I won't be one of the people hanging with you later on so I can't take a stance on that.

[Kise]

Either works.

[Kise]

Not pine sorry. Kise.

So what's up?

[Kise]

Unvote
Vote: StrangerCoug

[Kise]

That reminds me, I should announce target in case I hit a bulletproof. I mean it looks like if you get lynched today, TWIE would be next, so I'm gonna go with him so save time. Does that make sense?

[Kise]

Why you gotta put it like that? :-{
I think Garmr would be a lynch candidate anyway if you and TWIE are town.

[Kise]

Yes.

[Kise]

Not pine sorry. Kise.

So what's up?

I actually dont know what you're trying to ask me here.

You came in the thread and summarized things. From there, you offered no suspicions or suggestions. I asked wassup to know what you wanna do today, and it looks like you answered it just now. I'm personally not feeling a kthx or Rach lynch. Garmr is no saint but he's someone I found scummy due to interaction with Nero & Pine, so he's not an SK read but I'd lynch him over Rach & kthx.

Nacho what do I do with my vote and my weapon?

[Kise]

Unvote
Vote: TheWayItEnds

[Kise]

ank's town as shit, he's a strong not-SK read as well

:-\

[Kise]

I don't see Ank as a lynchee amongst the rest of you. Shooting him over anyone else basically means (for example) there's 3 people still lynchable instead of 2 people.

[Kise]

I die I get to kill. It's not like an easymode bomb, I have to choose.

[Kise]

gratz sk team

[Kise]

I'm sure if Nacho knew that SKs were together, he'd have reconsidered. I was in the dead QT for a while before picking that up.

Also, before anything else, I'd like to say that I feel the only player, on any team, who deserved to win was PeregrineV

can't fault town for scum's fuck ups

[Kise]

She's fine IMO. Like I said, the biggest thing for me was not knowing SKs were together. Wish I knew that before I died. It is also everyone's fault for not pushing her to offer more. Two-way street from what I see. Look at how the GotG mini theme ended.

[Kise]

Idc what anyone says, my only fuck up was Townreading Rach. I got off Mollie, House, fish & Garmr. Pegged Nero and Pine before the guilties. Especially Nero tho, that was a funny one.

Please pat me on the back, I need something to sooth the pain of this loss.

[Kise]

I lied to get u lynched. Oh yeah lol.