invisible Inc. Mafia (OVER AND OUT)

[Quilford]

Hi folks, catching up now.

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So.

It seems that we have a claimed Doctor (vezokain), Vigilante (Mantisdreamz) and Roleblocker (Boonskiies) as well as a dead Cop (AA9) and Watcher (AngryPidgeon).

This strikes me as distinctly unlikely.

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@Mod: please prod Natirasha.

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@rack: claim, please. I intend to hammer in about 24 hours.

rack is the best place to go today; possibly the only place to go so close to deadline in such a slow-moving game.

We want the vig to get off a shot tonight so we can make it into 7p LYLO, not 8p MYLO. Therefore I would ask that Boonskiies not target him. Personally, I'd like to see a caledfwitch vig shot, because I really don't like his attitudes to the AA9 lynch. Looks like he was blindly pursuing her without regard for grapes, who was the one who turned out actually to be scum. I think that town would've been less certain about who to go for.

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Because four scum is typical in a 19 player game, and only one is dead. Where did I say I knew rack is not scum?

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Oh I see what you mean, I forgot to consider the outcome of today's lynch. My bad.

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Great, so we shouldn't lynch me. Glad we worked that out.

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So.

It seems that we have a claimed Doctor (vezokain), Vigilante (Mantisdreamz) and Roleblocker (Boonskiies) as well as a dead Cop (AA9) and Watcher (AngryPidgeon).

This strikes me as distinctly unlikely.

Anyone actually want to respond to this? As it stands, this is far too much town power.

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Rack you seem to be around, can you offer any thoughts on the matter?

My reading of the game seems to pivot around the grapes lynch. The players were so divided that it went to a no lynch once and almost twice. Surely that would suggest that there were lots of scum pushing against his lynch. I think caledfwitch is a particular person of interest, if you look at his posts at the time there's absolutely no evidence that he's considering the possibility of grapes being scum at all. He seemed way too fixed on lynching ArcAngel9. I think that were he town he would've been significantly less certain of his reads. But his posts were almost goading her. I reckon he could even have been trying to provoke her into getting herself lynched. But when the tide turns against grapes he decided he didn't like grapes after all, with no explanation.

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Looking at things from an even more basic point of view, I can't see caledfwitch making any effort to explain his reads at all.

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Ironically, rack is currently voting for caled, but has provided absolutely no reasoning as to why.

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Alright.

VOTE: rack

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Very interesting, and of course I'd like to hear both who vezokain protected and who Boonskiies blocked.

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Yeah, Boonskiies definitely deserves the lynch for claiming he blocked a dead player, lol. I won't put him at L-1 yet, because there's a good chance of a self-hammer and not everyone's checked in yet.

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....hmmm. unless he really did put a night move in on ank. thinking he was still alive..

No, surely the moderator would have told him that Ankamius couldn't be targeted.

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I think Boonskiies just saw this, and thought it might be a way to get easy townpoints:

If he's a scum RB, the block on Ank would make no sense.

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Mod: if a power role messaged you seeking to target a player who was no longer alive, would you endeavour to reply to let them know that their action was invalid?

I mean, I certainly would, so I'm a tad confused that vezokain and Mantis think not.

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I also really don't like what Boonskiies' predecessors in BBmolla and the BBjetskiies hydra put up. Their posts seen unconsidered and unconvincing.

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I don't see how anyone could confidently read Natirasha town, considering we haven't heard from her in ages—she hadn't posted for four days when the lynch occurred yesterday, despite being active on site otherwise. So I'd appreciate an explanation there.

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AB, you do realise that vezokain claimed doc some time ago?

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I think mantis is likely town, but his 'blow dart' kill flavour worries me a bit as it seems unVigilante-like.

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Probably a good idea to look at Goblin's posts a bit.

Would also highly recommend anyone who hasn't done so revisit the ArcAngel/grapes lynch shenanigans, scum had a really good opportunity to lynch the cop there and would likely have pushed hard, considering the alternative was losing one of their own. caled's shameless AA tunnelling strikes me as very suspicious in that light, as I've already said.

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Hmmmm.

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Now I'm just super fricking confused as to why vezokain wasn't shot last night???

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Well, that was me posting on BBjetskiies as well....I don't get why you guys aren't comprehending that I've been in this game the ENTIRE time. (BBmolla was just a placeholder slot before our hydra could be made).

I do in fact know that was you. My point still stands.

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Could Quiford be using this to to very lightly defend Boons?

Are you kidding? It's a point

against

Boons.

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No mod should (more likely would) influence the game like that.

It's not influencing the game, lol. Consider the equivalent scenario in the original face to face Mafia. It would not make sense at all, and the moderator would have to ask the player to reconfirm.

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Doesn't seem like that to me. One of the main points against him is that ge used his "night action" to target a dead guy. You seem to be saying "ah naw, mod would have told him Ank was dead." and lol no.

Exactly. And from my perspective, the Mod

would

have told him Ank was dead. Because that's the right thing to do. But Boon never targeted Ank, so the mod never told him Ank was dead, which he would have if Boon did target Ank. Capisce?

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What is your read on PV?

Seems like a good place for a vig shot. Didn't appreciate his absence around the lynch yesterday. I need to take a closer look at some point.

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AB, from scum's perspective, a successful kill without being shot by the vig would have WON THEM THE GAME if there are five total scum as you suspect. If that's the case, it would only make sense to target the doctor, the only person who can't be protected by the doctor.

Personally I think 4 scum is a lot more likely anyway, but even so from scum's perspective a doctor kill would both put them into LYLO and give them the best shot of

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*a doctor kill + successful vig shot

*best shot of ending the game if town mislynched again the following day

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VOTE: caledfwitch

I'm okay with a PV lynch, but more convinced of caled being scum. Whose turn is it to claim?

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See! See.

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VOTE: Boonskiies

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caled definitely needs death.

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Ugh.

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Mantis, pretty pls to be shooting caled tonight.

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I want to vote caled. Especially after the person who posted this died.

i like natis vote everyone should vote boon and we shoot pv tonight

this is pretty scummy. I'm for the lynch.

VOTE: Caled

though I do like this. Earlier she was arguing that I should be vigged and then there's a load of PV heat and she starts advocating his vig? Anywhere the wind blows.

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I've got to say, I'm no longer confident Mantis isn't a Serial Killer, because town has a lot of dead power roles, and because his blow dart kill flavour doesn't strike me as particularly honourable and thus particularly plausible for a vigilante.

Regardless, I still think caled is the way to go.

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Yeah okay I don't want to lynch Mantis right now anyway.

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If you want to look at people who have been not only not pushing scum lynches, but outright pushing town lynches, may I suggest caledfwitch? Thanks. Even your thoughts on him would do.

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Fun fact: everyone caled has voted for ever has died and flipped town. Yet I see no thought process connecting the reads. No sense of townie frustration that he's been wrong and no sense of despair as we draw closer to losing. He tunnelled on AA9 and sheeped onto Professor Maniac, and has generally been keeping a very very low profile.

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nuuuuu mantis we'll miss youuuuuu
also why did you not vig pv like you said you would

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How do you know Mantis vigged vezokain?

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Oh, damn. Mantis said so two posts earlier. Silly bro confusing me with 2307.

My points in 2313 stand.

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Ah, that's interesting. Just to check:

Mod: is the kill flavour from last Night consistent with only one successful kill attempt on vezokain, as compared to the kill on Ankamius?

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VOTE: caled

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Ah, that's interesting. Just to check:

Mod: is the kill flavour from last Night consistent with only one successful kill attempt on vezokain, as compared to the kill on Ankamius?

BAMP °^°

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Can we vote caled pls yup thanks

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Ah, that's interesting. Just to check:

Mod: is the kill flavour from last Night consistent with only one successful kill attempt on vezokain, as compared to the kill on Ankamius?

BAMP °^°

Sry ._.
"If a player is killed by two sources, the flavour will reflect this. vezokain was only killed by one source."

danke

[Quilford]

Uh guys

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ohhhh myyy goddd

can we just lynch caled? it's really really obvious.

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Day 7 deadline falls in (expired on 2014-12-29 01:54:00).

Day 7 deadline falls in (expired on 2014-12-31 01:54:00).

@dram: which is correct?

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Oh, missed your post about extending the deadline. Sweeet

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Who did Boonskiies block Night Five, do we know?

The already-dead Ankamius, remember? Two theories: scum shot Mantis/TheWayItEnds, whom vezo was protecting, OR scum failed to send in a night action. Personally I wouldn't be too surprised about the latter, given the activity state of the game. I guess scum deliberately not sending a kill is possible, but I find it less likely.

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I am just a VT, btw. No neighbourhoodly abilities.

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Someone come here and hammer. AlienBRO? If caled is town it's a sorry sight, this struggle he's putting up.

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If caled is town scum would have to be me + Natirasha, given that whatever TheWayitEnds is (and I think he's likely town), being a killing role he can't be mafia.

You yourself have said you don't think it's likely that me and Nati are scum, so can you please just hurry up and hammer already? Another deadlock on a scum lynch this game would just be pathetic.

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I suspect that I could well be the only townie alive. Three scum is not enough for a 19 player game, and the fact that caledfwitch was a strongman makes it very likely that scum shot Mantis Night 5 but failed due to some Serial Killer bulletproofing ability. This would also explain the large amount of town power.

The smartest thing for me to do would be to vote No Lynch. Then if TheWayItEnds is town he can just vig Peregrine for us to win, and if he's a SK then he wins, and I wouldn't have had to pick a winner via the lynch today. Provided he's still NK immune. I guess this all depends on the exact wording of hypothetical win conditions though.

But first I'll do a bit of mod meta to see how frequently dram uses SKs and vigs. If there's some component to your role you haven't claimed, TheWayItEnds, do that now.

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Well dram is a big fan of both SKs and vigs. So that tells me absolutely nothing.

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Well, perhaps you should try considering things from my point of view. How else can you explain the missing kill on Night 5?

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A successful Night for the scum would've put them into LYLO. Of course, Goblin was to be killed by your slot, but they weren't to know that. Presuming you had fired on town and presuming they successfully submitted a kill on town -- highly likely, considering they had a Strongman -- it would've been 4:3 LYLO, if they're assuming you're Town. So I find it highly unlikely they would have failed to submit a kill. Please offer an alternative explanation for why, then, nobody died at their hands.

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Also, can you go into your flavour a bit? Frankly I am a little wary of the idea of a vigilante 'darting' anyone. Doesn't sound like how vigilante justice is typically carried out to me.

Although I must admit Iecerint's early and unprompted Vig claim does work in your favour.

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They do? Please point out where.

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Oh I see, the vezokain kill attempt. My bad. Presumably if I were scum I wouldn't have forgotten about the existence of my own role.

Answer my questions now please, I know Peregrine is scum and all I need to know is whether you're town, in which case I need to convince you to lynch Peregrine, or whether you're scum, in which case I'm kingmaker.

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*whether you're SK

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anyone home??

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Yeah, it would totally make sense for me as a scum roleblocker to try and push for a No Lynch on the basis of there not being a roleblocker when the person who was roleblocked was still alive. It's not like I could be a VT who just forgot one of the myriad of night actions and role interactions that have taken place.

Can you see why what I outlined in #2383 is valid? Why are you suddenly so hostile?

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No. You're right.

Asking me questions about what the scumteam did on a night before I replaced in does seem like a pretty valid line of questioning.

Well, unless you're scum you shouldn't know what scum did anyway. I'm asking you what you think the most likely explanation is for the lack of a kill is.

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Ugh. I just wish I had shot PV.

I would have lynched you over Nati in a heart beat.

Yeah I wish you had shot PV too, because he's scum. Why don't you do some scumhunting? Maybe that would reveal to you that both me and my predecessor lead pivotal lynches on scum, which would strongly suggest that my slot is town. When was the last time PV or Natirasha did anything town? You're not above it all, as your awful vig shot last night demonstrates. Perhaps you could drop the arrogant attitude.

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Here.

VOTE: PeregrineV

Place another vote on him and town wins. Or you win, if you're a SK. Obviously I can't do anything to convince you, so I won't bother.

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Yeah. I should scum hunt someone whos V/LA. Maybe I'll ask him all sorts of probing questions and then he wont answer them. Wont that be a treat.

I'm right here. Why don't you scumhunt me?

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I'll respond to your questions, but I'm not going to bother explaining why PV is scum. You could 'scumhunt' him by having another look at his posts throughout the game.

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In the event that scum shoots me to try and push the miller angle instead of the SK angle, then I've left BRO alive with someone hes scumreading that I dont believe is scum, and town auto loses.

Yeah but the game would've ended if you had shot PV. So town wouldn't have autolossed. Quite the opposite.

Here's a question that just occurred to me: if there's a scum roleblocker, why weren't you blocked last night?

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I mean... the obvious answer is that PV and Nati were both not scum?

No it isn't. 4P MYLO with one clear is obviously more beneficial to scum than 3P LYLO with one clear.

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You might like to start putting a little thought into your play, the game kind of hangs on it lol

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Can you check that your slot successfully sent in an action Night 6 after all?

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Thanks. I don't suppose you'd like to hammer PeregrineV for a quick easy win?

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No lynch might be better, but seems really countintuitive, even given that a town vig exists.

lol

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Heyoooo

Very glad I at least got one read right re: caled. Still, he was pretty good at avoiding the lynch. I think Mantis should be commended on his shot on Goblin, I think Goblin would've been hard to remove otherwise.

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I don't think anyone in the dead thread was right about anything in the end... but dying makes you cynical and pessimistic, so fair enough.

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Except if you're mastin riding a flying bull haha

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I was worried about Serial Killers. I mean, vigilantes using darts?? And Mafia not successfully killing on some nights?? Made me paranoid. If called had flipped 2-shot like he actually was it would have made a lot more sense. But shortly after making that post I notice that Iecerint had outed himself as Vig Day 2 and I knew no Serial Killer would ever do that. So I had to wait for an opportunity to renounce as unsuspiciously as possible. >_>