Capcom Crossover Chaos - GAME OVER~

[ooba]

Vote: Major Minor

Your name and the confusion it engenders....

Scum - For ignoring the claims …

because we dont believe you

Scum

Johou Tougou Shinen-Tai is sketchy too

Major Minor -> Cult-something

So 3 pages have given us three scum and one cultist.. Sucks that UT is the best lynch though…

Vote: UT

[ooba]

We're not lynching a person who's asking to be lynched in a bastard game ffs

~Wis

Real question is - "Do you think he's lying?" - my gut tells me no.

Hmm.

ooba

, why do you believe I'm a cult something?

And, do you believe the Survivor claim?

Cult because of this:

Regarding Untrod Tripod's cult thing, can't we all just ignore it and make sure no town people target him with an ability? I believe him and I think he is probably a townsperson, so I don't see the harm in just letting him live.

Survivor - neutral so far.

[ooba]

That's a lot of posting.

@Bro: Who is Adorkable? I didn't remember anybody like that from my read.

Town:
Bro for post 184
Wis seems town
Metal Sonic

Don't like but have read this person wrong before:
AA9

Scum:
GGG

I actually believe Skitty's claim now and think there's very little chance he's scum. Feel slightly better about Major Minor after the claim but still can't shake paranoia about the slot. Anyway neither is good D1 lynch material. (even in the absence of UT's claim)
Setup spec: The claim-counter claim also gives me the vibe of non-survivor third parties like the hunters in this game.

If there's a day-vig, vig UT. Otherwise, he should not make it to N1. Don't agree with ZZZX that this is a scum gambit.

[ooba]

@AA9:

Lol

@GGG:

Didn't get your post.

@Wis:

Regarding Skitty:
This line "Say by some miracle I'm actually a survivor" really seems to come from a non-lying about their role mentality. I think them saying "win with everyone" was a genuine mistake.

"In other news, not liking dramonic. Nothing of essence in his posts."
I actually thought his snipe in-comment-peace out style was more indicative of coming from town than scum. Not based on any meta observation though.

@ZZZX:

You're not on my read list because I haven't gotten a read yet
That's another assumption though - that UT knows there's no day vig for his scum gambit to be effective. Anyway why argue - we're both pushing for the same lynch - albeit different reasons.
Why did you want to soft claim the "hurts mafia when killed/lynched" when killed though?

Adorkable makes sense in his entry. I also felt that in case theres a 10% chance UT is jester, best to remove the distraction altogether.

[ooba]

Also fuck you UT

Hmm?

[ooba]

hey ooba you know I wanna get close to you yeah?

I swear I'm town this game

So you're going to try to tell me that you straight up missed a page-top post two posts and ~30 minutes before your post?

Yup. It didn't ping me.

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Shos could be scum but not cult. Not convinced on lynching either survivor. Slight paranoia that ZZZX hasn't answered on why he claimed but can't see a case where it would benefit scum. (Maybe cult leader who doesn't want to get killed - but he was still under no pressure so that's a stretch too)

Vote: GGG

[ooba]

ok
why dont u like ooba

If I had to guess - its because we disagree on Skitty.

[ooba]

This line "Say by some miracle I'm actually a survivor" really seems to come from a non-lying about their role mentality. I think them saying "win with everyone" was a genuine mistake.

What do you think of ns saying that the only reason he posted "I win with everyone" was because he thought he signed up for a normal game and survivor was the one non normal element and he somehow didn't see UT's claim right above his. He said he didn't read, but it's hard to believe he wouldn't notice a few snippets from that post and read it out of curiosity, and it's much, much harder for me to believe NS doesn't know how the normal queue and the large theme queue works after being on the site for as long as he has.

- Regarding the not noticing a post a few posts above, I've done that this game - it happens
- The normal queue thing is sketchy - maybe

If Skitty drew a scum role PM and NS really hates it, why not just hand the reigns over to caledfwitch?

[ooba]

I don't see why we would lynch me prior to the phase before endgame (LYLO? MYLO?).

Don't bother wasting resources on me unless we get to the point where you guys are actually afraid that leaving me alive will hurt the town. But if we focus on

ACTUALLY LYNCHING MAFIA MEMBERS

instead of setup speculation, emotional childfighting, and survivor lynching... we won't ever NEED to lynch me.

What about cult?

[ooba]

trusting nacho's read on ooba (for now at least! I don't have an independent read on him, he ignored my reach out :( )

I replied to that!

Caught up. Let's see:
- Johou Tougou Shinen-Tai's posts were the most townie looking posts I've seen in a long time. There's a very small chance they could be paired third parties like the hunters - but unlikely.
- Hate Goat's entry but the continued Skitty paranoia appears town

I think this is an excellent wagon to find scum:
Skitty: 9 (

dramonic

, DeathNote, TWOH, BROseidon, shos, GGG, Winter Skies,

The Goat

,

Bulbazak

)
Probably not TWOH as well.

@Johou: Why vote BRO when you also think GGG is scum and it's a bigger wagon?

[ooba]

what music do you like?

I pretty much like anything that sounds good - not restricted to genre. Don't pay too much attention to lyrics.

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Votecount:

Skitty: 6 (dramonic, DeathNote, shos, GGG, The Goat, Bulbazak)
TiphaineDeath: 4 (TWOH, mental somnic, Southern Belles, Skitty)
GGG: 2 (adorkable, ooba)
TWOH: 1 (droog)
Bulbazak: 1 (AA9)
AA9: 1 (TiphaineDeath)
BROseidon: 1 (JTS-T)
shos: 1 (Winter Skies)
DeathNote: 1 (GuyInFreezer)

Not Voting:

BROseidon, Espeonage, Major Minor, PeregrineV, ZZZX

With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-01-02 11:19:14)

Espeonage has replaced wgeurts. Thank you.

Based on new findings in wagon analysis, scientists have predicted that the second and third biggest initial vote leaders to the main wagon must have scum. Hence
- adorkable is scum
- Also heartbreaking to note that one of {TWOH, Southern Belles} is scum
Let's see how this analysis pans out as the game continues.

I'm also getting cold feet about GGG being scum. I'll just unvote till I get a solid feel.

Unvote

[ooba]

Solid Town

- mental sonic
- Johou
- TWOH (even though I have cult Paranoia at times - I reason it out saying no self-respecting cult member would say 'Let's have someone target UT and lynch to see if they turn cult)
- Dram (the recent push on Major Minor cements this)

Town-ish

Bulba - Great start; nothing scummy to diminish that early glow of towniness
Skitty - Nothing's really shaken my town read on this slot from the start
AA9 - Definitely not AA9's scum game. Had a feeling at some point that *could* be cult
ZZZX - Even with weird claim shenanigans - I think he's town that knows what he's doing
GGG, TD - Have to agree with Wis here and say that they both feel like mislynch fodder

Slight below that level of Town - but Town leaning

The Goat - Although I felt more confident in this read the last time I posted
Espeonage - I like the entry to the thread

- I'm pretty amazed I haven't got a town read on Southern Belles yet. Pere too.
- GiF's disappeared. Where is he? Does he lurk as scum?
- I'm still very paranoid about Major Minor. I don't think he's cult - but maybe scum that counterclaimed with wording in given fake claim?

I feel confident enough in the town reads to say none of them are a part of group-scum (Mafia) - with maybe Goat fooling me. No real strong scum reads though.

- Thought about sheeping Dram on Major but with nothing better than Paranoia to back up my reads - I feel like it's a dick move to lynch a claimed survivor D1 - esp. one that tried to help town D1. But even 'scum who claimed survivor' can't escape from associative tells and can be sorted out once other scum flip.
- Not Sheeping mental or TWOH because I think they're wrong on TD and Bulba respectively
- So I'm just going to sheep Johou.

Vote: Bro

[ooba]

@Ooba: how is Skitty higher in your town list than Goat?

Because I've been non-scum reading Skitty from nearly the start. A strong feeling. The reasoning for Goat is based on the fact that he was paranoid about Skitty - much weaker.

Bro was scyn but I don't remember why - ooba?

Who is this addressed to? What does this mean?

[ooba]

What about the whole survivor gambit lie thing?

Maybe its my earlier read biasing me - but I actually believe the entire lie-gambit thing.

[ooba]

Bro was scyn but I don't remember why - ooba?

Who is this addressed to? What does this mean?

Repeating this because I don't want this to be lost. Who's post was this addressed to?

@Brian: I didn't have like 8 people on that read list. I've haven't had any town vibes from any of them - didn't think it added any value to list those names under "Null". I'll update as I sort this thing out.

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While I won't take as polarising a stance as Southern or Arc, I think TWOH is a very bad lynch for today. @Arc: So is Bulba.

I also think this game is suffering from the same voices dominating the others. Feel there are a lot of multiple page Town vs Town arguments that go nowhere. It allows scum to coast. Why do anything when two town can argue for two pages over which other town to lynch.

I'd really like to hear more from GiF, adorkable.

[ooba]

Also, if your basis of not wanting to lynch Nacho hinges on "he's a good player and I don't wanna risk losing him," then you might wanna go find some guts or reconsider how you want to go about your lynches. Because only so much flowerpicking can happen before some serious shit starts to go down in a game.

Is this directed to me? I read TWOH as town. I never said "he's a good player and I don't wanna risk losing him."

[ooba]

Skitty's heads are certainly active elsewhere.

Lol

[ooba]

The combination of high posting rate + holiday season doesn't make for regular posting.

Bulbazak: 4 (AA9, TWOH, DeathNote, GGG)
Skitty: 4 (The Goat, Bulbazak, TiphaineDeath, mental somnic)

BROseidon: 3 (JTS-T, ooba, Espeonage)

DeathNote: 2 (GuyInFreezer, adorkable)
TiphaineDeath: 2 (Skitty, Southern Belles)
AA9: 1 (Major Minor)
TWOH: 1 (droog)
JTS-T 1 (BROseidon)
Major Minor: 1 (dramonic)
droog: 1 (Winter Skies)
dramonic: 1 (shos)

We need to consolidate - but not a fan of the 2 major wagons.

mental sonic, Johou, TWOH, Dram, Bulba, Skitty, AA9, ZZZX, GGG, TD - Not going to support these wagons but you have my vote for literally any other wagon that gains traction.

[ooba]

mental sonic, Johou, TWOH, Dram, Bulba, Skitty, AA9, ZZZX, GGG, TD - Not going to support these wagons but you have my vote for literally any other wagon that gains traction.

Add Espe to this list - he is strong town

[ooba]

Mental, can we lynch BRO please? It will lead to good things.

[ooba]

Also, if your basis of not wanting to lynch Nacho hinges on "he's a good player and I don't wanna risk losing him," then you might wanna go find some guts or reconsider how you want to go about your lynches. Because only so much flowerpicking can happen before some serious shit starts to go down in a game.

Is this directed to me? I read TWOH as town. I never said "he's a good player and I don't wanna risk losing him."

Why are *you* reading them as town?

Vibe from posting - Wis reminds me of the Wis in Olympus Mafia.

[ooba]

Clearly, mental is masons with Bulba. This is a stupid lynch.

[ooba]

Clearly, mental is masons with Bulba. This is a stupid lynch.

why did you feel the need to say that out loud?

Because we need to move on to a scum lynch. And TWOH already mentioned it in the thread.

[ooba]

Well - this always happens in games on D1. At least I didn't suspect either of the masons.

Anyway, Skitty is a bad lynch. I feel bad about GGG too but I can compromise.

Unvote. Vote: GGG

[ooba]

Just going to come out and say that I don't really like Goat this game so far and I want Skitty around for relational reads further on.

Vote: GGG

I do think this is a bad lynch too, but given three bad options this is the least bad.
ooba leaving kinda killed bro wagon so sadfais.

BRO wasn't happening.

Goat's focus on Skitty is odd. But I'm trying to figure out if it falls in "Paranoid Town" or "Scum who comments on one thing to avoid discussion about anything else" bucket. Right now, leaning on the first but let's see.

[ooba]

Well that explains The Goat's behaviour as well… At least wasn't a town mislynch - so something to look upto I guess.

@mollie: I read Skitty's initial play as not-scum. The feeling continued - and even the "oh I lied" did not affect the read.

[ooba]

There are two heads to this hydra.

That does not explain *why* you read skitty as town and continued so doggedly.

You, who just got fooled by notscience in a previous game where he wasn't playong too much differently

, you who played in the game i which one head oh twoh (who I think you're town reading too) was pushing harder than hard on skitty and who would recognize his scum play (not to mention in said recent game in which you were fooled by notscience also ignored my scum read on the slot), you who are a completely paranoid player would for God knows what kind of magical fucking reasons would just town read that slot for literally no reason at all.

That I would love to know.

(In case it's not clear, I think you're bullshitting your reads)

Which game was the bolded? The FF one? I don't even remember notsci in that game.

I didn't see a group-scum player playing the way he did D1 - claiming survivor, the pressure that was brought down upon him, subsequent backtrack and not posting at all.

I have very strong town (not-scum) reads in some games. Intuition\vibe are probably the best words to describe it.

[ooba]

You know, for a town player you are way too abrasive AA9.

Lol - your reach out could have been better phrased. See no reason to get AA9 riled up.

@Goat: Are you now a secret SK\scum member? Can you be lynched? Can you be targeted for night actions?

[ooba]

So two Groups are likely here. This works with major minors survivor claim of saying he wins with just mafia and town. I'm going to assume wolves rather than a serial killer.

My gut tells me any scum (SK, Mafia or Werewolf?) wouldn't make this post.

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I'm still fairly confident in my town reads from mid D1. (Also note: this was before mason claim) Lynchers coloured green because they aren't scum.

Solid Town
-

mental sonic

-

Johou

- TWOH (even though I have cult Paranoia at times - I reason it out saying no self-respecting cult member would say 'Let's have someone target UT and lynch to see if they turn cult)
- Dram (the recent push on Major Minor cements this)

Town-ish

Bulba

- Great start; nothing scummy to diminish that early glow of towniness

Skitty

- Nothing's really shaken my town read on this slot from the start
AA9 - Definitely not AA9's scum game. Had a feeling at some point that *could* be cult
ZZZX - Even with weird claim shenanigans - I think he's town that knows what he's doing
GGG, TD - Have to agree with Wis here and say that they both feel like mislynch fodder

Slight below that level of Town - but Town leaning

The Goat

- Although I felt more confident in this read the last time I posted
Espeonage - I like the entry to the thread

Left:

shos

, Elric (GiF), Pere, WinterSkies, adorkable, SouthernBellies, droog, DN, MM

Let me work through shos's and these peoples posts to see if I find anythin.

[ooba]

I have a bomb, just FYI.

It is a daykill mechanic supposedly but the fact it is called "bomb" kinda scares me. So if I randomly die today, thats why.

Somebody sent a bomb to daykill you?

Or if you have a daykill - that's great news. I would say using it on one of {Elric (GiF), Pere, WinterSkies, adorkable, SouthernBellies, droog, DN, MM, BRO} would lead to best results.

One of Kise's earlier games had a power tied in to number of posts. So be wary of holding onto it for too long. Or maybe it's like a hot potato that keeps getting passed around until the trigger occurs.

[ooba]

Also dont listen to Ooba, he told you to blow yourself up <_<

Arg - this is why I shouldn't copy paste from my earlier post.

@DN:

AA9 would be a horrible kill. She's town - I'm as sure about this read as Skitty not being scum. Can't say the same about TD - but early D1 votes made me think 'Mislynch!'. If I had to narrow down my list - I'd say shoot (in order of preference) - adorable, WinterSkies, droog.

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@Tammy

- I always viewed Taylor Swift as a Nacho account. I've never played enough with notscience to get a 'feel' for who he is or what his playstyle is. It was easy mentioning his name in the quoted part - because I had the luxury of the copy pasted name from the OP.

Spoiler: My post

So two Groups are likely here. This works with major minors survivor claim of saying he wins with just mafia and town. I'm going to assume wolves rather than a serial killer.

My gut tells me any scum (SK, Mafia or Werewolf?) wouldn't make this post.

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I'm still fairly confident in my town reads from mid D1. (Also note: this was before mason claim) Lynchers coloured green because they aren't scum.

Solid Town
-

mental sonic

-

Johou

- TWOH (even though I have cult Paranoia at times - I reason it out saying no self-respecting cult member would say 'Let's have someone target UT and lynch to see if they turn cult)
- Dram (the recent push on Major Minor cements this)

Town-ish

Bulba

- Great start; nothing scummy to diminish that early glow of towniness

Skitty

- Nothing's really shaken my town read on this slot from the start
AA9 - Definitely not AA9's scum game. Had a feeling at some point that *could* be cult
ZZZX - Even with weird claim shenanigans - I think he's town that knows what he's doing
GGG, TD - Have to agree with Wis here and say that they both feel like mislynch fodder

Slight below that level of Town - but Town leaning

The Goat

- Although I felt more confident in this read the last time I posted
Espeonage - I like the entry to the thread

Left:

shos

, Elric (GiF), Pere, WinterSkies, adorkable, SouthernBellies, droog, DN, MM

Let me work through shos's and these peoples posts to see if I find anythin.

Two questions:

Why wouldn't scum make that post?

Why did you feel the need to point out that you read the masons as town before they claimed masons???

- To answer the first, it's just the feeling I had. This also ties in with Skitty read. I tend to rely heavily on gut.

- As town, I like it when I'm right about reads. It's easy to read Bulba\MS as town after claim. I'm proud that I read them as town before it.

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@Wis:

Bulba is not-scum. While I always appreciate paranoia (since it avoids group think) - I think you're in the wrong here. Plus, your focus on him is detrimental.

AA9 Wagon has one scum for sure - AA9: 3 (ZZZX, TiphaineDeath, adorable). And that scum is adorkable. [Reminder: DN]

@Esp:

I did not kill shos. Although, he would have been in my list of three to shoot.

[ooba]

ask mollie too and discuss with her

I asked you a question.

The only person polite enough to answer your question and you're like "ignoring that I like ooba for scum at the moment".

[ooba]

Bulba is not-scum.

Explain?

Granted I haven't seen shos's ISO after the flip = but Bulba's early posting was town.

Also, you think mental is just flat out lying about being masons and is protecting a town read. For me, the masonary has been pretty evident from MS's play - you can literally see his frustration at Bulba being voted on D1.

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Zzzx is not a newb. But he is scum

There's that weird claim thing from ZZZX. Half claim out of nowhere. I still haven't been able to think of reasons why scum would do that (and under no pressure)

[ooba]

@DN: Your options are

AA9

and KBW. Don't fuck it up <3

1/2 Terrible.
Although I can't shake off paranoia that MM counterclaimed from a fake claim - I still think it doesn't hold as much value as other kills. Like 80% he's survivor and maybe 20% lying scum. I'm thinking of it from a informational standpoint from a D2 lynch. Key 'survivor' flip doesn't add any real relevant info to finding scum.

vig/lynch list in order of preference: {

Bulba

, Winter Skies, zzzx, PV, adorkable,

ooba

, TD}

aa9 is town and kbw is harmless

2/7 Terrible. 2/7 ok-ish. 3/7 Good.

I will use it regardless, but if I die- thats the reason.

Don't take this the wrong way - but I'll be glad if you flip too.

TD wouldn't be the worst kill but "If you actually hit me with that bomb it may be the single stupidest thing have ever done." has townie vibes.

I liked Winter Skies response to me. I'd like to switch ZZZX and him in my "to shoot" list.

Hold off on the kill a bit - I have the time to do a re-read - I'll see if I can figure something out.

[ooba]

Lol sorry Dram, I don't really want to use it yet. I will before a lynch is reached, promise.

I would say use it so that it gives us enough time to re-analyse for lynch. At least a week before lynch ideally.

[ooba]

Fuckit, I'm dead tonight so I don't give a fuck. I'm the alien cop, just what it sounds like, cop for aliens. Means there are at least 3 anti town factions, scum-aliens-cult, and possibly more. Deathnote, shoot somewhere else, preferably AA9.

Just piping in to say - aliens could be cult. Person 'Abducted' into alien ship and all.

[ooba]

My potential theory is that xxxy is a traitor.

Where are you getting this from?

[ooba]

he wasn't arguing it's scummy. He just wants to destroy my credibility

My Skitty opinion and WKing is also the reason for Tammy's suspicion and push on me.

[ooba]

What's with the two MS votes?

Although, to be fair, I don't think any scum are going to even pursue that angle to lynch one of the masons. {TD\KBW}

Too bad on ZZZX - should have stuck to my initial gut feeling on that slot.

[ooba]

@Ooba: If I switch to Dramonic, would you join me?

I'm growing wary of Dram - because of who he's pushing. But I'd like to re-read the game again. Had an early town read on him so would like to see where that vibe came from.

[ooba]

Also is nobody seriously gonna bat an eyelash about ZZZX getting suddenly executed? That's not normal <_<

For some reason, I thought the bomb was responsible for ZZZX's death - good to know we still have that.

What's not normal about this? Day-vig. The two shots have been pro-town - UT and ZZZX - I'd say whoever is doing the shooting is definitely not mafia.

[ooba]

he wasn't arguing it's scummy. He just wants to destroy my credibility

My Skitty opinion and WKing is also the reason for Tammy's suspicion and push on me.

This is really disingenuous and wrong. If that were the case, I'd have suspected everyone who defended skitty, which I didn't.

I didn't/don't understand the force of your read, and all of my questions to you about that is really clear on that. I don't see how anyone sees the survivor claim and decides that's strong town, then he was caught in a lie and you were paranoid about the person who outed themselves to counterclaim not science's lie all while calling not science town. Then when the person who shared a hydra with him in a recent game (in which you were fooled by not science) was proclaiming that this was his scum meta, which it was. (I thought not science was town around the time he was appealing to us, but then they both disappeared and then claimed to be busy or sleeping when I was seeing them onsite and offsite definitely not being too busy to post.) But he was playing seriously to his scum meta, and your resolve that he was town never wavered.

That doesn't make sense to me. It feels like bullshitting reads and like you decided early on to defend that slot and even though the evidence stacked up that said he wasn't town, you stuck to your early guns. And he wasn't town!

And he didn't even act like town. The ooba I've seen as town reevaluates and is likely to completely spin his reads on a dime due to paranoia/rereading/whatever.

That didn't happen here and is why it doesn't feel organic at all.

The initial town read was so strong and later stuff just re-affirmed that. Regarding him playing to his scum meta, I still don't have a "meta" position for notscience in my mind.

I was paranoid about MM because I can see scum counterclaiming from a fake claim. I cannot see scum doing whatever Skitty did. Maybe to you "the evidence stacked up that said he wasn't town"; to me, it was the exact opposite.

Also, if I was scum - I'd take ANY mislynch. I believe WKing townies is a bad stance to take as scum. Hardly ever earns you town-cred and people still suspect you for being right.

[ooba]

I'll take that as a yes.

Unvote

Vote Dramonic

You can take that as a "not no" for now and I'll update ya after a skim re-read.

[ooba]

@ ooba

why are you ignoring me. I am asking you point blank.

Which posts? AFAIR, I haven't ignored any of your posts.

[ooba]

Ooba is who I am leaning dayviging at this point.

That would be a massive mistake.

[ooba]

@ ooba

why are you ignoring me. I am asking you point blank.

Which posts? AFAIR, I haven't ignored any of your posts.

ooba it is me, mollie. whom you have ignored.

eta: I can't send it to you via pm.

I know it's mollie. What I would like to know is which posts I've ignored. I even answered your music question.

[ooba]

Ooba is who I am leaning dayviging at this point.

That would be a massive mistake.

Idk man, you don't seem very into the game. I am reading you as reluctant scum right now.

Into the game? I'm invested in this game - my reads have been spot on for the most part.

I'm a bit sad because I can read the game state and know getting a lynch on my vibe-scum targets (like adorkable) is impossible. I usually re-read the game at this point and it gives me a better foothold on reads (or) at least fodder to make cases but the game is too big for that AND I do have to respond to comments directed my way.

I'm not scum. Your read is wrong and your shot is better directed at someone else.

[ooba]

Ok so would you rather I bomb Adorkable?

Yup. If he flips scum, that should also 'clear' me of sorts - since I'm the only one who suspects him at all.

[ooba]

Ok so would you rather I bomb Adorkable?

Yup. If he flips scum, that should also 'clear' me of sorts - since I'm the only one who suspects him at all.

Why would you think that flip clears you of sorts when you still left Bro on your to kill list after shos flipped scum?

Irrelevant. I'm the only one who even mentions 'adorkable' in any scum-list or people to shoot list. How does that connect to my BRO suspicion?

If adorkable flips scum, either I'm town who had a good read (or) scum who bussed his buddy to alleviate suspicion on himself.

Now why are you ignoring my question as to which posts of yours I ignored?

[ooba]

AA9

Based on the zzzx push I think AA9 has moved ahead of ooba for me. She should be the bomb target.

Umm - seems a bit superficial here - since I also moved ZZZX to the "three kill DN can kill" list.

@Southern Belles: You're missing my point. If DN bombs adorkable and he flips scum, you have two choices to make - either I'm scum bussing or townie\cult who had a right read - my BRO play doesn't play into this.

If your point is "We're not going to give you a free pass if adorkable flips scum" then sure.

[ooba]

Probably should have bombed GGG... oh well. There were lots of good target to choose from. Give the bomb to Goat next time, picking people is hard.

DN, if you did bomb me now - let me know - I'd like to claim before I die.

[ooba]

@Southern Belles: You're missing my point. If DN bombs adorkable and he flips scum, you have two choices to make - either I'm scum bussing or townie\cult who had a right read - my BRO play doesn't play into this.

If your point is "We're not going to give you a free pass if adorkable flips scum" then sure.

Well sure.

But my point is that you claimed if they flip scum, you should be cleared. However, you didn't reevaluate your reads when someone else was in a similar position. That's a total disconnect and rather hypocritical.

Why should you be cleared if adorable flip scum when you still suspect Bro after shos flipping scum?

Because I never did a re-read. I didn't remember BROs push on shos. I actually had to go back and read after your last post on the entire 'coaching' skitty thing.

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@DN: Why the sudden Elric defence?

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I'm sure that makes me both DN and me feel a lot better

I think he was telling the truth about elric though. GiF's play (or non-play) fit the play of a cult leader.

Vote: Elric

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And I am not defending Elric as much as I am attacking the concept of a cult leader in this game.

I'm thinking a severely restricted cult leader of some sort? I can't see a 'Goo' without some other cult role in the game.

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What the board ate up my last post.

Basically, checked back on adorkable's D2 start. There's no mention of any Elric suspicion. That starts in the last couple of pages:
a) He was making stuff up.
b) Some Mafia power like Day-rolecop let them know about Elric's role. This was used and discussed before ZZZX's death shut off day talk.
[I might be looking at shadows here - but TWOH's Elric vote (3565), Winter's Elric vote (3577) have to be analysed to see if they had previous suspicion]

Overall, in multi-faction, one scum team is going to be looking for the other. I'm not sure if adorkable thinks Elric is cult\alien\werewolf, but his suspicion sounded genuine. If he was just scum trying to make stuff stick, he might have chosen a higher-priority target.

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^ There should be an OR between points 'a' and 'b'.

@GGG: Ok.

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I believe adorkables ckaim he tracked Elric to sonic, I think he was hoping it was a fake or a bastard bomb so wanted town cred if he somehow survived.

Yeah - but wouldn't he have mentioned it somewhere at the start of D2?

I can also see the case where he actually tracked Elric to mental - then scum were discussing whether Elric was Doc or cult. If Doc, just kill on N2.

Also, if he was hoping for town cred when the bomb fails - wouldn't he realise that someone would question him on the fact that he didn't claim immediately?

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@mental: Agree. DN is definitely not Mafia. And I'd probably say not cult as well - although I only have gut to back that up.

^pedit: Lol

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Eh........

Actually, wouldn't dork tell his partners his real info at the start of the day?

Yes. And maybe they were discussing if Elric was a doc protecting you or cult recruiting you. Daytalk stopped - DN was thinking about bombing adork - so he decides to come out with it.

I, for one, would hate to see you as cult.

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Agree with Bulb - why would you go after a possible-recruit over a possible-recruiter?

Was going over few posts and vote counts. Thoughts:
- PeregrineV is in the game??
- WinterSkies bringing up Elric being cult leader ten pages back is suspicious in wake of adorkable's claim
- dram, you're pretty active. Why haven't you voted today?

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Pls stop distracting. ZZZX should be lynched today. I ll give my case later today about him.

Lol. Read the thread first. Otherwise you might end up wasting a lot of time.

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TWOH: Whats your take on that Elric might be cult?

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TWOH: Whats your take on that Elric might be cult?

He prolly still is, but winter skies is mafia

Agree. 137 is heavily suspect with respect to timing of GiF's cult suspicion. But isn't the better strategy to go after the cult now? After all, Mafia team size isn't going to increase - and we already have two flips and info on that front.

Of course its worth discussing whether cult might be a red herring - but I'd say Goo+2 NKs+1 day-killer seem to point towards cult. (Plus it was advertised bastard).

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Wow. You guys are fast in posting.
- I actually think Winter could have come up independently with that CL=GiF thought. So yes, while it was suspicious, there's a scenario in which he's town. And I'm leaning towards town from his posting.
- TWOH is NOT a cultist. No cultist is going to be this obvious with respect to both the 'goo' UT thing yesterday. Wis is a good player and wouldn't have played it this way. Of course, WIFOM - but that's not playing to the probabilities.
- @Dram, I need to test something out - Please Vote anybody please.

My best bet for another Mafia-ite right now is Droog.

Would also love to hear Southern Belles thoughts on the game with all that's happened.

Where is Elric??

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Votecount:

Elric Brothers: 9 (ooba, DeathNote, GGG, Bulbazak, Winter Skies, TWOH, dramonic, Keybladewielder, PeregrineV)
GGG: 1 (ArcAngel9)
mental somnic: 2 (TiphaineDeath, Espeonage)
Winter Skies: 1 (mental sonic)

Not Voting:

BROseidon, droog, Elric Brothers, Southern Belles,

The Goat

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-01-17 09:03:00)

PeregrineV is V/LA until January 7.

- Elric's at L-1. Would still like a claim.
- @Dram - ignore my request for a vote since you already did
- We could be lynching the right guy for the wrong reasons. This could be multiball and cult could be a red-herring. If Elric flips werewolf scum, look at those who pushed other wagons.

^pedit: @Esp: Could be. To be fair - I haven't really read through shos or adorkable's ISOs yet. droog was a gut-feel.

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wats the vc

Just switch Esps vote on the one I quoted above.

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Well, I'm not basing the entirety of the push on how I expect GiF to play as CL.

I was masons with GiFs last game and if you notice - I've been pointing out that his play in this game does not resemble that game at all. There was barely any conviction. I think he's anti-town of some sort.

The fact that adorkable's outburst\claim felt genuine and not faked added to the GiF case - and sort of pushed him to suspect no.1.

"People do not generally put cults in games unless there is a way to fuck with the cult as well." - Regarding this though, we do seem to have 2 night kills, a day-killer, a tracker, a watcher so far. Seems balanced with those.

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I had fun this game. I was sad I died