Capcom Crossover Chaos - GAME OVER~

[Espeonage]

Hi. Gonna read the thread slowly over the next two days. Feel free to point stuff out of particular interest.

[Espeonage]

This is taking longer than I intended. And by that I mean I am just skimming newer stuff, which is rather confusing.

I do want to bring up that I suspect I am a negative utility. I have a very strong feeling I was lied to in my role PM.

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In addition to the soft claim, I am town.

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lets have a nice chat about how bulba is town, my reads are good and you should listen to me

your reads are both shit, i have the same opinion about ggg that i do about tiph

what is your opinion about ggg again


and my reads are better than yours and i have already proven this time and time again

Unproven this game, shutup and stop posting. Both of you. Now

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Myself. I am declaring it anti-town to continue 1v1s due to the negative impact it has on scumhunting for town. This is completely serious. Continued posting is tantamount to a scum claim for making town's job extra convoluted.

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Myself. I am declaring it anti-town to continue 1v1s due to the negative impact it has on scumhunting for town. This is completely serious. Continued posting is tantamount to a scum claim for making town's job extra convoluted.

then you should vote me because im not going to stop

Don't make me shoot you. I have a gun.

[Espeonage]

hey mollie
it's om
talk to me about espeonage's negative utility soft-claim
why do you think espy claimed it and wgeurts didnt?

Because Yoghurt didn't post anything.

[Espeonage]

go ahead

Luckily for you it doesn't shoot. At the moment.

[Espeonage]

Tbf I am extrapolating based on how I think the mod lied in my role pm.

I don't know for certain I am negative utility. But I figured there is enough of a chance that was worth bringing up.

[Espeonage]

Andrius would be proud of my posts so far.

[Espeonage]

I hope the girls are scum. I want to yell at Tammy.

[Espeonage]

i miss andrius

Could we get him back if TM3 flies? I feel like Luna Lovers should be a TM team.

But back to the game. I'm also not a miller but someone might find me explicitly saying this very telling so that is why I am saying it.

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:toast:

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toast man,

you leave a good first impression

hope we catch scum

i am open to whatever you have to say

Haven't read much really. Don't expect reads anytime soon. But they will come eventually.

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hey mollie
it's om
talk to me about espeonage's negative utility soft-claim
why do you think espy claimed it and wgeurts didnt?

frankly I am trying to figure out if this an alt of a specific player but I am waiting for tammy.

what wld be the scum motivation for doing that given what era heralds from?

eta: jesus christ you people never shut up

Tammy can sometimes read me. Hand it to her when you get a chance.

[Espeonage]

Andrius would be proud of my posts so far.

I have a hydra with andrius! I love him.

why wld he be proud.

Read my iso and you might pick up on it. Someone will work it out at some point. Until then the less said more than what I've already said the better.

[Espeonage]

Yes

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Now, seeing as I'll take a long time to read. Can I join a bloc?

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Vote: TD

[Espeonage]

hey mollie
it's om
talk to me about espeonage's negative utility soft-claim
why do you think espy claimed it and wgeurts didnt?

frankly I am trying to figure out if this an alt of a specific player but I am waiting for tammy.

what wld be the scum motivation for doing that given what era heralds from?

eta: jesus christ you people never shut up

Tammy can sometimes read me. Hand it to her when you get a chance.

as far as you go yes, I will. but I am not going to stop playing the game.

Sorry, didn't mean it like that. <3?

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FTR: I think TWOH is scum.

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Check yo name bro

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Do you know how depressing it is that the only Hydra I think I've ever been in was with Magua.

Btw Ray, are you scum? Asking people why they switched off scum reading you seems off man.

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Why is this what you take issue with when there are naked reads all over the place?

You are being choosy and that ain't a townie trait.

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There is more than one scum presumable so k.

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Blatant prod dodge, aa9 and skitty are still scum and I don't feel like commenting on umpteen pages of WOTH and MS bickering.

Sorry to point this out but you gotta read it anyway. There is some important stuff mixed in there.

[Espeonage]

I'm going to assume that's you saying "I kinda think I know where you're going with this, I'll trust you even if my eye is a little different on what [redacted] means"

Sure.

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You're right, that was worth reading, sonic isn't scum, deathnote is, and bulba is town.

AA/Skitty/Deathnote

What are your thoughts regarding the rest of the playerlist?

You are kinda continuously limiting the scope of your reads.

P-edit: I mentioned that I like transparency, yes? It's just hard to tell the difference in some cases between being transparent in your differences and simply uncoordinated in your posting.

Apparently it's hard to tell the difference between our individual heads as well

Anyway,

rest assured that we communicate frequently and synch reads often.

Om is everything that gets posted first time on the hydra account?

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Ray: Do you have any way of securing the flip we need. If we're on the same page, I'm gonna try but it's like a <5% chance of being my role if I have one.

If not, can the bloc move over? I dunno why people are scum reading TD because I haven't read the thread but I feel like it might be worth getting some life into the discussion. The actual wagons seem really stagnant.

Somnic, you guys with me if I want to push some wagons for a couple of days?

Also Ray, I think I can read Tammy pretty well. I did some meta back in the day when we had our epic cross bus game.

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Readas: Real Life days.

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Don't have one, but I am going to definitely have people I want to see run up that I will do one at a time.

I'm not proposing lynches, The fact that we are going pages and pages without vote changes in such a large game is very bad.
PEDIT: My post was a joke, I think I'll pick it up by tone. But I think from the look of it, I should be fine.

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@Kise: Can the front post be updated. it would save many posts of people wondering what slot I am every time someone catches up. Thank you.

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Ignoring actual posting, all the null reads on PV worry me because from memory he is rather obv town when he is town.

PEDIT: Cheers

[Espeonage]

Beofre you go change your vote on a snap pressure for me.

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droog, winter, somnic, belles, adorks and deathnote: Would you wagon TWOH based on wisdom's play over the last tenish pages?

1. Misrep on DN.
2. Holding on to a scum read very tight is inidicitive of a reluctance to be helpful to town. For an example of the right thing to do is my setting aside my strongest scum read because the gain is bigger if I do so. Town should stay objective.
3. Because something needs to happen soon.

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Unvote, Vote: TWOH

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at this point i would support going the full way with a wischo wagon
VOTE: TWOH
can i ask why you asked adorkable winter and death to join in though?

Numbers and because people will decline. I also want scum in the bloc. Then it splits scumhunting which can help some people micromanage their reads.

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i would go twoh based on the first 10 pages
not sure about the last as i havent read them

Just vote him, read after.

[Espeonage]

look at deathnote trying to encourage my 1v1 with ms further

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My gut never been wrong. You're wrong and Nacho & wisdom are town. So DONT EVER TRY PUSHING THEM... THIS MOMENT WHOEVER PUSHES THEIR WAGON.. I WANT TO KILL THEM INSTANTLY!!!!

I APPROVE TD LYNCH IF YOU WANT BUT BEFORE THAT I NEED YOU TO EXPLAIN ME WHY BULBA IS TOWN.

Can I ask that you stop talking in absolutes. It really doesn't suit you and it doesn't help anyone.

[Espeonage]

The argument of ''I am always right in this so you are scum for not agreeing with me'' has never been and never will be something that has a place in mafia. Shush

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adork: It is day one, people will disagree on reads, but pushing the idea that one person in particular is scum so vehemently isn't a town motivated line of thinking on day 1. It stagnantes discussion by centralising it to a small set of players which only hampers town. Wisdom's recent play is anti-town at best and scum at worst.

[Espeonage]

This is the fight of who can spout the best "I HAVE ULTIMATE META KNOWLEDGE" bullshit phrase. I`m on the edge of my seat!

And you know how much I hate meta. I'm in the mood for yelling tbh. Get popcorn.

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Btw the fact that dram is townreading me is very telling because I am his favourite mislynch.

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I NEED YOU TO EXPLAIN ME WHY BULBA IS TOWN.

You don't need this. This would be another ten antitown pages.

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Btw the fact that dram is townreading me is very telling because I am his favourite mislynch.

Dram is pretty town this game, agreed.

You have my support on the voting for will of heaven. Brian hasn't clocked in yet, will full talk after when he has.

Brian may have lost the feeling, but in all honesty... Both he and I have been leery of the slot but felt that there was no support for it (this is part of the "later game day" conversation I wanted, esp) with the wall of blades of the belle / memtal sonic / arcangel

I know. Which is why I set this up.

[Espeonage]

All this talk of reading nacho as town and yet wis is scummy as all hell. Maybe they have two role pms.

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I will shriek and dedicate my life to spamming this thread if you people are going down this road.

Which is worse than letting it go through.

PSA: CAN EVERYONE PLEASE PLAY TO THEIR WINCONS. KTHANKS

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im not taking nacho into account here
i cant even discern nacho's posts from wisdom's

Wis said it was himself somewhere from memory which is what I'm extrapolating it was him from. I may be wrong.

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All this talk of reading nacho as town and yet wis is scummy as all hell. Maybe they have two role pms.

mebbe you have a scum role pm cos it sure looks like you do!

Go for it. I need to die before I get investigated anyway.

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All this talk of reading nacho as town and yet wis is scummy as all hell. Maybe they have two role pms.

mebbe you have a scum role pm cos it sure looks like you do!

Go for it. I need to die before I get investigated anyway.

plz investigate this

Ray get in here.

[Espeonage]

Andrius would be proud of my posts so far.

I have a hydra with andrius! I love him.

why wld he be proud.

Read my iso and you might pick up on it. Someone will work it out at some point. Until then the less said more than what I've already said the better.

This is more than relevant

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get nacho to post more then
i really dont want to deal with wisdom, and i think he's scum
and your attempts at meta arent going to help change my mind

it isn't my meta, it is what he says about himself.

people will sometimes drop the veneer let truth dangle before your very eyes. I found this out the hard way and continue to sometimes make mistakes. but I am pretty sure this is not 1 of them.

Then you will understand we have to form our own reads here.

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Then leave it for those that can pick up on it.

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I don't need to post my thoughts and reads, I just need to pay attention.

I threw you a bone and this is what you do? I am sad.

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Because we like yelling at each other.

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Unvote, Vote: Belles

Likely scum, but we also get a conf town if they aren't. How great is that?

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote: Belles

Likely scum, but we also get a conf town if they aren't. How great is that?

Not great at all;

There are better ways.



The news that skitty is intentionally avoiding this game is worrying.

om would have voted.

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I don't think DN is scum. However I need to stay useful so

Unvote, Vote: DeathNote

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Also sorry ray, I was too hasty in wanting to get shit done.

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I do not have conviction in my reads yet. Better to stay relevant than you contribute to the noise.

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I'm townreading you, but scumreading wisdom.

So the issue there is being dropped for the moment.

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Unvote

Vote: BRO

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om, lynch BRO.

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gotta go fast

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I'd like to bring up that I called out PereV like right after I replaced in.

I also like the case on BRO from a few pages back. He just came off bad from that exchange and is right in the not posting a heap but post enough that he isn't one of the serial lurkers.

So, peeps might want to have a look there.

As for the skitty callouts, peeps just have games they prefer to spend more time on. And a 100 page day one isn't an appealing prospect.

So yeah PereV and BRO are scum.

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If Pere can keep up with marketplace and be obv town, he can at least have people more than null reading him if he were town.

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^The above meta is irrelevant as I was not trying to win said game. You will notice I as scum knowingly tried to give town the power to modkill.

Would you rather I give a list of half assed reads that I probably won't stick to just to sate you? Because that seems dumb. I'm posting reads as I get them and if you read my posting I'm slowly getting a handle on the game.

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@Esp: I remember playing with town you before, and you did not play like this. You seem to be hiding behind everyone else, and I don't like that.

I don't think I have much meta replacing in to large games with shittons of pages as town.

I do have cult meta that I can think of. But that isn't really applicable.

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I hve been in this game for a couple of days and I have more posts than half the playerlist.

MS has more posts out of hydra than some people have all game.

These are things that need fixing.

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Question: Why was UT shot today instead of dealt with later so we would have a proper voice to help. He could have been shot whenever so why was it done early today?

I am pretty sure that the shot came from mafia as he was shot also before he could do a reads list which he even promised.

So yeah, I would be looking there as well for some clues as to who is mafia. We could have gotten a heap from UT, he was one of the more active posters by the look of the activity stats. Shooting him early smells scummy.

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Esp is cult.

For someone trying to use meta on me, you just named the only role I do have meta for in this scenario. I'll let you go investigate.

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that's a weird answer to that

shrug, it's a weird accusation.

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He was shot just before he could post reads.

His last post is him saying he will post reads as soon as he can.

if the shot was from town why would they do it then instead of much later in to the day or if someone gets run up to L-2 or something. It just makes sense to hold off for as long as possible in to the first day as it gives an extra voice. I don't think anyone really doubted that UT was town, so therefore there was no reason to not let him live until right near the end of the day.

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K.

For the posting rate this game is going very slowly.

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If it gets us somewhere. Really that's the difference. if it useful then it's great. otherwise better to post succinctly.

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I am disappointed. We could have had an extra townie voice for the day.

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I don't care about an extra vote. I care about an extra voice.

I would have advocated his lynch at the end of the day if there was no shot. But I also feel that there was no reason to not wait with the shot until later.

He should have been kept alive so that we had another person for day 1 discussion.

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That isn't any justification of taking away a resource for town.

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yeah, got that.

But shos is attacking without reason to which needed clarification.

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I am totally down for a flash lynch on PereV

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Where the fuck did this broseidon wagon come from?

The JTST back and forth a few pages back.

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I think I might know what's going on here.

Something struck me as odd about [redacted]. Peeps should get off bulba.

@Bro issues: as far as I am concerned, I want a lynch and I think that perev and bro are the best chances of hitting scum at this point in the game. There are other people I am suspect of but I feel that they are lynches better suited to later game. I am building reads and I've got a bearing one way or the other on most slots in the game. Just because I haven't divulged this and just because I pushed a player in particular as we get to close to deadline, that is not indicative of alignment in the slightest.

I also don't get why people have latched on to the idea that I'm cult over town and using that to base ideas considering that was refuted by myself and wischo. Das dumb.

BRO looks worse now and if it wasn't for my thinking this morning on the train regarding bulba/somnic interaction I'd be on bulba to.

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This is aimed at everyone but JTST slot is kinda shooting bulba already with the vote switch.

We have two people who won't be here again until after deadline, one not voting and the other on one of the most obv town slots in the game. So we effectively have two less people to get a lynch majority.

Now I'm not going to talk for the bulba argument but I have some idea what is going on and I am potentially misguided there. Regardless I will not vote there currently. I believe that currently the only other serious options are a lurker slot or bro. (And if we are going to buy in to the whole stupid as shit pissing contest I am 1 from 1 afair on bro so omg I know exactly how to read him 100% of time holy shit guys)

Given all this, people need to start talking about who they are comfortable with lynching if push comes to shove and we need to get a majority over the line. I am personally going to view people aiming to push a no lynch as scummy as hell as we get close to deadline.

That is all, thank you.

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Also before anyone is a complete idiot. The part in the brackets is meant to be sarcastic to point how dumb relying on other people's history is dumb. You either subscribe to their read or you don't. Calling up history as a be all and end all is stupid.

Thank you for your time, it fucking dumb that something like this needs to be spelled out.

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@skitty

Are you willing to be clean about your wincon? I feel that if you want to avoid being lynched, clarity is your friend. It may help with reading Goat later and may help us be less likely to deadline lynch your slot.

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Ignore me on my earlier post.

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Tell me what we get from a skitty lynch?

Because I currently see no upside.
I don't believe they aren't survivor at this point so we get no chance of scum flip.
They have no interactions meaning we get no information either.

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Vote: Bulba

I see what you're saying Goat, however is it really pressing in such a large game?

Also can you comment on their activity in the neighbourhood in comparison to in thread?

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Unvote

FUCKING SAY SO WHEN ASKED

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I did think the nakedvote would work. I'm pleased.

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Hey om, Bro is scum tho.

Vote: BRO

[Espeonage]

Look, you needed to claim anyway. If you guys waited any longer it would have been too late to get another wagon going. And I would rather get a lynch tan a no lynch. So it needed to be forced out.

I helped the entire situation and you should be able to see that. Now work with me. We can get a heap more information on other players out of the skitty slot. Bro is hella scum and gives us information now.

I gave you a lot of support, payment time.

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also espe might actually not be cult leader. He's too...active, ya know? if you were cult leader you'd try ot stay off radar or something. he's too vocal.

I actually do have meta for this, one game. But it was a long time ago and I had a similar posting rate to here, but it was just as long a game when I replaced however I actually read the thread there.
I personally think that it is close enough that it doesn't negate nor prove anything. So either discount me as a scum role on my play or don't. Don't use silly assumptions of who would do X and situation Y.

I can self meta for you if you really want me to, but I promise I'd be self-indulgent.
I won't be around for the next few hours though. I will be at the doctors for anywhere from 15 minutes to the rest of the day, so I might not answer particularly soon.

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also ftr the pm said we are confirmed town with bulba

Mods lie in bastard games.

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It's actually similar to his posting as every alignment. But he is pinging me and I am generally decent at reading dram even when he's lurking.

BUT VOTE BRO YOU BLUE GOTTA GO FAST AMERICAN ECHIDNA

Today is bro lynching day.

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om is being moody, you are much more level headed which is what we need at the end of the day.

I love om, but this is the time for you to be playing the slot.

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Skitty I ain't going near.
I don't see GGG.
And Dram is a read I agree on but Dram is a cheeky bastard and likes to tell town how to win the game when he is scum and is actually more useful to town when he is scum than when he is town and he is not someone I am ok with lynching before day 3.

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Also om, you guys should have claimed real early. Mason play changes in a Bastard game and you guys should have been open about it.

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The PM explicitly said that we were confirmed town. Unless there are direct lies in role PMs, (then everyone is pretty much in trouble anyway), I don't think so.

I've already gone over how I am 95% sure I was lied to in my role pm and that I am certain I have an ability other than showing up [REDACTED] to [REDACTED]. Which is about the only thing I am at the moment if my role pm is believed.

I role was hinted at in the role pm and I have soft claimed accordingly but I have also highlighted that I may have a different role that I wasn't told about.

IT SHOULD BE ASSUMED THAT UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE IT, YOUR ROLE PM MAY BE LYING TO YOU.

And there is absolutely no reason to hold neighbours to higher scrutiny as masons when in this game they are both governed by mod wifom and therefore irrelevant to scumhunting via setup spec.

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plus, ns is intentionally avoiding the game.

that is notty scumtell #1

I thought that was notty is in this game tell #1.

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considering that you didnt believe me when i told you to (and i am still a little sore about that)


i am going to

throw a tantrum

and ignore your pleas for skitty town

Who is this at? I voted to force the claim not because I didn't believe you.

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that I am certain I have an ability other than showing up [REDACTED] to [REDACTED]. Which is about the only thing I am at the moment if my role pm is believed.

lying by omission is one step less than direct lying

Where did you get the cookie from?

I stole it from the store < truth

I got it from the store < without mentioning that you didnt pay for it -> lying by omission

I bought it from the store < direct lie

Irrelevant. Lying in any forms HAS BEEN STATED TO BE PRESENT.

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so if i am a cop then i actually jailkeep my target?


that is way beyond bastard

Potentially a role.

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Let me make this as clear is fuck.

THE HINT IN MY ROLE PM IS A HINT BECAUSE IT EXPLICITLY STATES I AM NOT THAT ROLE. I AM TELLING YOU THAT DIRECT LIES ARE A THING.


AND I AM FUCKING AWARE THAT THERE IS PANTS ON HEAD WHICH IS WHY THE DAY PHASE FUCKING MATTERS.

[Espeonage]

Ok fair that was bad wording.

Dram can be very useful to town when he is scum and sometimes more useful than if he were town in any particular game because of his love for being as cheeky as he possibly can when scum. This makes him more useful because his reads are accurate in a way that only scum could be.

Is that better?

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OMFG, PEOPLE ARE NOT LYNCHING JUST TO FIND OUT.

They want the lynch because they are pushing aside the mod wifom and going with there reads. There is no finding out going on, there is only lynching your scum reads going on.

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ebwop: I apologise for my absolutely abhorrent mistakes in regards to the words there, their and they're. I will endeavour to improve this.

pie, can we lynch bro?

[Espeonage]

How about I test if I actually am more than vanilla by trying to shoot you tonight. Does that sound good?

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Well then park on Bro and just switch if you have to. This is the time to be clear who you are on.

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And?

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And pointing that out with no content makes you an offender as well.

Tell me droog, how is it that one of the most active posters in the current gamestate is someone who hasn't read about 70% of the game?

It's because he didn't complain about shit he can't change and did what he could to start getting bearings on the game.

What I'm saying is that you're right, we don't need this many pages. That means you can get by without reading it all. There you go, saved you a few hours worth of reading. Use those hours productively. kthanks lynch bro.

pedit: nup

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What do you think of WS?

I think I might have to lynch Ray at some point, does this make you as sad as it makes me?

[Espeonage]

Elric Bros replaced GIF.

[Espeonage]

Just going to come out and say that I don't really like Goat this game so far and I want Skitty around for relational reads further on.

Vote: GGG

I do think this is a bad lynch too, but given three bad options this is the least bad.
ooba leaving kinda killed bro wagon so sadfais.

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You people need to learn that catching up isn't the kind of thing you need to do so long as you can invest your time in blocks so you can get reads and interact.

@ooba: Precisely why I am against skitty lynch atm. We are going to need resources on goat at some point and this is one that has the potential to be very rich.

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I don't want to lynch any of the three leading wagons. GIVE ME AN OPTION I LIKE.

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Unvote, Vote Skitty

L-2

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Is this really honestly worth derailing the lynch for at this point.

What about sanity?

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Bloody hell people.

In what world would scum not want to push whoever they felt like they could? You guys are ging mental trying to get something from the lynch. What I can tell you is that Jouhou is town because no one else would have saved skitty like that, scum would have kept quiet if they found it and tried to either shoot him or just push through the lynch. Scum would not have attempted to save Skitty with a piece of evidence that if left alive would take away a night kill from them.

Bro is still scum, trying to push attention to places it shouldn't.

I have yet to ask Kise, but if I can send in an action, remembering that I don't have one, who should I target. I want to target Bulba, considering I probabaly won't do anything it doesn't matter too much, but are there objections here?

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Night 1 commences. This phase will lasts (expired on 2015-01-03 09:13:25) maximum. Please submit an action or "no action" to me. The sooner I receive all actions, the sooner Day 2 starts[/b]

Btw this indicates to me my hunch may be correct.

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I do have a gun.

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I feel like if Skitty hadn't claimed survivor and just pretended to be town, their entire plan would have worked. Goat would have had to have both discovered the crumb AND brought out a full claim to not lose, in which case they both would have lost.

Or one of them could have claimed day cop.

Now. I do have an important question, which springs from the duscussions late on day 1.

@Somnic and Bulba: Do you guys have a masonry ability?

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I can't help but feel like first post daycop guilty claim on a neighbour was the best play.

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The fact that ZZZX has done the most scum hunting since the flip is disconcerting.

Can we talk about how scummy piegami are some more? It's basically my favorite topic this game.

Dude.

Pie's almost definitely town.

Dude.

Bro's almost definitely scum.

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Thanks Bulba.

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Can we talk about how scummy piegami are some more? It's basically my favorite topic this game.

I got asked what I was referring to abotu BRO. This wold be it.

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Also bulba, I'm not afraid to go Tauros again and start outing people's plans and roles as I see them.

If you guys don't have a factional ability just say so. If you want me to shut the fuck up because you don't want it discussed I'm going to assume my hunches are correct. If you say yes, I will leave you be because if I am right I am very happy to jump on the Bulba is conf-town bandwagon because if I am correct it would be fucking dumb to have scum in the masonry.

btw, to lend some more context to what I'm seeing in BRO, take a look at the way he approached the latter stages of the day, it was the exact play of scum who needed to stay out of the limelight until something hit critical mass. Controlled apathy is a scum tactic, as is active lurking (why I thought goat was scum btw) and both were exhibited by bro.

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Thank you.

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You know, for a town player you are way too abrasive AA9.

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If you attacked arguments and applied logic, we wouldn't have a problem, but you aren't doing either.

I think the fact that the whole playerlist is annoyed at you speaks for itself.

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No, I'm calling her town, it was meant to be a reach out. -.-

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I just asked for less abrasiveness in her discussions and it blows up. I just wanted to try and get the obv towns working together. Is that too much to ask?

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Her overall tone looks entirely genuine and I don't think she would be taking the stances she has if she were scum.

Outside of the masons she is my strongest townread by far.

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ugh, adorks, I'm just seeing her abrasiveness and general argumentative demeanour as townish. I just wasn't seeing any scum mentality. But I can see how the jumpiness might be alignment indicative the other way, she is rather jittery and doesn't want any attention.

I think I've played her before, I remember being modded by her.

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Goat, will you have a vote?
Are you effectively a treestump?
Have you actually properly won?

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Do you have any sort of plan for your vote?

Is there any way for us to trust what you argue?

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I would prefer if, to reduce confusion, you agreed to do something simple like just vote the largest wagon whenever you can or something like that.

Mainly because as you said, it doesn't matter to you.

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I am about 80% certain if there is a cult recruiter that it is wischo.

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I don't think wischo is group scum though.

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just by reading page 60:
1. AA9 is town. no fucking way scum would invest so much power in such a short time in order to do what she did there, IMO. even me.
2. dramopnic is scum and he's with bulba. see how he keeps saying 'you ahve no proof'? proof is a word that means FACT. if I don't have the proof, then it is still a fact, but I just cannot prove it. as in, "pythagoras was right" "prove itf" against "pythagoras was wrong" "convince me".

scumreads:
VOTE: Bulba
VOTE: Dramonic
VOTE: Skitty

I won't vote Bulba before I see a dramonic flip

Dram is not scum based on this. Bulba could be here as after the town flip of dram bulba would be cleared from a shos scum flip and it would allow him to scum read bulba but not vote for him

Nah, Dram doesn't adhere to the same rules. If anything this makes Dram more likely to be scum.

I actually don't like Dram so far.
Jury is still out on Bro. I don't think that he had enough pressure to draw a town read via interaction from shos. that said I haven't looked here yet.

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You're playing very much like house party. the shos flip makes me iffy on you because there was never a real push for you to be lynched, but it was just a name on a list from a confirmed scum player.

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Is anyone wanting to claim ownership of the shos kill, because it might have been me but I have no idea?

IF it was me then that is very important for two reasons.

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Also is there a general mechanic for a proxy voter? I'm imagining it would be something like you target someone and they get your vote for the next day. if this is the case and I don't think it would be that crazy of an assumption he couldn't just target another Mafioso.

Hmmmm.

Anyone want to theorycraft here with me for a bit. I need someone to bounce off maybe.

Wischo, you seemed to pick my crumbs best, what do you think?

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Considering we don't stop talking at night I find it difficult to believe that Mafia doesn't have daytalk.

When cult got brought up shos seemed rather bent of cult hunting immediately which makes a heap of sense now, but I would also be wary of the others that went along with that line of inquiry as well. I feel that if scum could talk during the day, that would have been discussed.

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You know, for a town player you are way too abrasive AA9.

I read AA as probably town, but this is a horrible way to read her. (In Final Fantasy X I tried to get a scum her lynched and some people refused because a scum player wouldn't be as abrasive as she was being.)

She has some town tells, but being abrasive isn't one of them.

Noted.

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That was om -.-

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I'm actually cool with AA being bombed btw.

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It just makes him predictable. I don't really want an unreliable rogue element in the game.

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Well I did. The tunnelling never seemed to be maliciously intended, just misguided, which is indicative of town rather than scum.

I've been informed that this isn't really something that can be taken for granted with AA9 so I'm withdrawing my "Is defs town" in favour of a more conservative town lean VI read.

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Should I claim?

Discuss

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Is anyone wanting to claim ownership of the shos kill, because it might have been me but I have no idea?

IF it was me then that is very important for two reasons.

Why wouldn't you have killed Broseidon like you said you would?

What part of I dunno if I have an action or not is hard to comprehend. I targeted [REDACTED] for the record after Kise told me I definitely didn't have an action but I could send him a name for shits and giggles if I wanted to.

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Considering we don't stop talking at night I find it difficult to believe that Mafia doesn't have daytalk.

When cult got brought up shos seemed rather bent of cult hunting immediately which makes a heap of sense now, but I would also be wary of the others that went along with that line of inquiry as well. I feel that if scum could talk during the day, that would have been discussed.

I thought skitty pointed out that scum had day talk?

I don't follow your second line of thought.

Skitty knows this how?

They and Goat had daytalk, but how would he know what scum has.

My second line of thought is that scum sees there is a cult. They go, omg we have people who are a threat as well as town, they start cult hunting LIKE SHOS DID. If they had day talk, this is something that they probably discussed there and as such were more likely to discuss here.

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Should I claim?

Discuss

I thought you already have?

I have thrown some loaves, and probs a bakery but I haven't claimed what I think I am after last night.

If you mean I have claimed what is in my role PM, then yes, I did. I am a townie with a gun.

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/sarcasm

Belles, please keep arguing with MS.

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Is anyone wanting to claim ownership of the shos kill, because it might have been me but I have no idea?

IF it was me then that is very important for two reasons.

Why wouldn't you have killed Broseidon like you said you would?

What part of I dunno if I have an action or not is hard to comprehend. I targeted [REDACTED] for the record after Kise told me I definitely didn't have an action but I could send him a name for shits and giggles if I wanted to.

Point that out? I thought we were still playing the "espionage pretends he has a gun in an attempt to draw a night kill game"?

Perhaps you're doing something else???

I have a gun.
I might have even killed someone with it, but idk.

Look you failed dismally when I first started crumbing. Just give up on this and argue with MS.

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Considering we don't stop talking at night I find it difficult to believe that Mafia doesn't have daytalk.

When cult got brought up shos seemed rather bent of cult hunting immediately which makes a heap of sense now, but I would also be wary of the others that went along with that line of inquiry as well. I feel that if scum could talk during the day, that would have been discussed.

I thought skitty pointed out that scum had day talk?

I don't follow your second line of thought.

Skitty knows this how?

They and Goat had daytalk, but how would he know what scum has.

My second line of thought is that scum sees there is a cult. They go, omg we have people who are a threat as well as town, they start cult hunting LIKE SHOS DID. If they had day talk, this is something that they probably discussed there and as such were more likely to discuss here.

Dude, you do know that people typically assume that their talk reflects what other people have right?

Like, I'm trying so hard with you because I felt like all of day one you were trying to soft an attempt at a nightkill to save people, but come on.

Wow you can't read crumbs for shit. btw wischo even said they'd be mad at me if I was what I was crumbing without claiming it and you still thought this. Seriously?

ugh.

Don't townread me for the wrong reasons, please.

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keybladewielder extreme VI incoming!!

He's got competition from AA9.

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Should I claim?

Discuss

I thought you already have?

I have thrown some loaves, and probs a bakery but I haven't claimed what I think I am after last night.

If you mean I have claimed what is in my role PM, then yes, I did. I am a townie with a gun.

did you or did you not kill untrod tripod because at this point I don't believe you and think you are just foaming.

That was not me. I HAVE NO ACTION IN MY ROLE PM.

You expect yoghurt was smart enough to not realise he wasn't just a gunsmith miller?

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I like AA9 and she is not a VI

This game proves otherwise.

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CAN WE STOP WITH THE TRUSTING AND THE NO EVIDENCE. THANK YOU

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CAN WE STOP WITH THE TRUSTING AND THE NO EVIDENCE. THANK YOU

No, trust me vote ooba for profit and a town win!

ignoring that I like ooba for scum at the moment, no.

I have some potentially game breaking shit here and everyone is either brain farting or ignoring it.

CAN EVERYONE IN THEIR NEXT POST SAY THAT THEY ARE DEFINITELY NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR SHOS BEING DEAD.

I

NEED

to know if it was me.

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ask mollie too and discuss with her

I asked you a question.

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Wait. why are you clearing Dram here but not Bulba who is a claimed mason?

Because read the fucking post. Shos was connecting dram to bulba and refusing to vote bulba until he sees dram flip. He never voted bulba despite it being supposedly a scumread of his even when bulba was the top wagon.

Fuck the mason claim. I have explained repeatedly why it's fake.

I have a theory on this. Also you need to read my posts. I need halp.

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Can I get like a PT with nacho and Ray?

That is what I want most in the world right now. If they were both IC's that'd be even better.

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holy shit guys

i'm trying to keep up and trying to get in contact with my other head. he has possibly flaked because he hasn't replied me in forever. I want to wait for him to discuss this game but if I can't get a hold of him I'll just play alone till he comes back

until then I won't give input because I want to talk them out with him first, sorry about this. I'll wait 2-3 more days, hope that isnt too much to ask

Were you guys responsible for shos being dead?

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Wis, are you definitely 100% certain that you are town?

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KBW. Was your slot responsible for shos being dead. Very important question.If you go back a page near the top you will see why it is important.

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Is anyone wanting to claim ownership of the shos kill, because it might have been me but I have no idea?

IF it was me then that is very important for two reasons.

For obvious reasons, if someone else was responsible for the kill, I don't think they're going to claim it. And if asked about it, they'd probably just lie.

They might not be. Because of shos' role, if I was responsible for the kill, then that means he had a reason to do what he did, which means we can retrospecively look at my reads and think who he would have wanted lynched.

That said there is very little reason for me to not claim.

I am 95% certain I am a PGO.

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I was worried that it might be multiball and therefore shos was killed by second set of groupscum, but that makes zero sense because shos was playing bad.

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The good thing is that if I do confirm from Goat, mafia have to 1v1 to kill me or we get an effective IC all the way up to lylo.

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I was told that I was a Town gun owner and then there was a joke about my character not being paranoid.

That's the best way I can put. I already checked that quoting is not allowed.

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I am Tarma Roving

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The problem is that if I am just a gunsmith miller then that means it is more likely to be multiball which means that shos was properly night killed.

And if it is multiball BRO/MS/Bulba looks like a team.

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btw I thought that Bulba/MS have a cop action. But it might just be that they are a groupscum.

Like I don't think those two are particularly scum, but MS kinda started a new tirade and it is starting to look purposefully anti-town.

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Vote: Dram

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You're totes scum dude.

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You're attacking literally every easy target, not engaging with most of the game and hiding in plain sight.

It's the dram scum toolbox.

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Can I keep it?

I always wanted a little Rarity of my own.

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Bulba is town. Get over it.

Which you still never explained. Go on.

I had the world's shittiest day and really don't want to argue right now. I'd love to discuss reads with Nacho though.

But basically, there was a tonal response when I realized that MS was townreading bulba because mason that I thought sounded really genuine.

MS seems like he's about to claim a three person masonry though, and that I will not believe in and might just throw my hands up on the whole shebang. Though Bulba still reads as town to me.

What if, and I mentioned this before, what if they are wolves?

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This is actually the first game I've seen where the posting rate of people has increased based on the votes on them.

That never happens.

And that is usually because town that is lurking dun give a shit.

BUT A SCUM CARES.

Are you scum zzzx?

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Unvote, Vote ZZZX

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if the bomb was from an inventor, give something to goat.

Scum aint gonna kill him because that would be hella dumb so if he can confirm my role that'd be hella sweet.

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KBW sounds very Alien to me. He said he had multiple abilities to keep himself alive.

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Also TD, do you have an inno?

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My potential theory is that xxxy is a traitor.

I want to lynch KBW, you in.

He totes gonna flip aleen

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I have mod confirmation that I am now

Master Chief

I kills aleins and doesnt afraid of anything.

Unvote, Vote: KWB

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esp i dont understand your claim. you mean your pgo only works on aliens?

You will find that my last post was what people like to call a joke.

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I have mod confirmation that I am now

Master Chief

I kills aleins and doesnt afraid of anything.

Unvote, Vote: KWB

So, do you know if you were responsible for the Shos kill?

Also, I find it interesting that your flavor changed. Must have been one of those mod informed revelations.

OMFG it was a joke.

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Vote: Dram

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KBW is my preferred lynch however.

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Are my post frikking invisible.

He claimed he had a bunch of abilities designed to keep himself alive. Aliens are generally a scum faction that have few members but very strong abilities.

KBW's claim sounds very much like the kind of role that an Alien would have.

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Believe it. Doesn't mean he is town, but I believe that is his role.

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Shrug, point is moot. Far too dangerous for Aliens to have around anyway so he probs dead soon.

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My potential theory is that xxxy is a traitor.

I want to lynch KBW, you in.

He totes gonna flip aleen

An alien with a survivor fake claim?

My only thing about KBW so far is that he made a point of reading his predecessors iso.

Though lynching kbw as long as he looks to be working with town will never get past mollie.

Is this a scumslip?
This might be a scum slip.
I think this is a scum slip.

Opinions?

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Where did you get that scum would have fakeclaims made for them unless you have a fakeclaim?

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MM could have been lying. It's not that weird to have a game with multiple survivor roles and it seems like a good premise to make yourself seem town sympathetic if an investigation hits you.

And what makes you think fakeclaims are mod given. It makes no sense. We have already had two lead characters as third party.

PEDIT: They get fakeclaims because the flavour would give it away. See my second point here.

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Bomb gram for srs.

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Vote: GGG

Now bear with me here.
AA9 is seriously town right now. I was already sold on her being town, but then she was on the shoot list for adorks as a highly suggested AND was not the one of the two she voted. adorks also spent time trying to convince me of AA9 scum to try and wheel around my opinions. At that point AA9 was looking like an easy lynch target. Then right out of nowhere GGG votes for AA9 while the whole bomb stuff is being discussed without looking at anything else really.

I think GGG fits the bill.

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That was terrible Sonic.