Capcom Crossover Chaos - GAME OVER~

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dork just had a track result. Everyone is just being dumb fucks extrapolating stupid shit when scum are sitting around laughing at everyone.

Stop trying to break the game open and just lynch scum. THIS IS STILL A MAFIA GAME.

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Vote: MS

Get out of the game.

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adorable on ggg feels faked actually
whenever anyone asks her opinion its
'this NEEDS TO DIE'
but whenever someone else suspects ggg its
'why? how does this affect your other reads? lets talk about yoru orther reads'

Thank you droog.

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this all just feels mafia driven. we are acting on a result from a mafia tracker that we assume is correct, and then there's winter skies bringing up gif out of nowhere.

Thank you wischo

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WS is looking more and more town.

MS/Bulba are looking and more group scum.

GGG is 100% Mafia.

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Esp, talk to me about adork's claimed action, death, and MS's immediate following reaction.

Probs correct. Good flip for us. MS is being a dickwad.

None of this could have anything to do with cult. I honestly don't care at this point. There is a reason we have so many kills. It is obviously so we can push cult numbers back. Everyone going nuts about them NOW is dumb. Scum will still have a night kill. They need to start shooting cult at some point. We have at least two other kills some days phases. We should just be playing mafia.

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droog and myself have both posted cases in the last four pages.

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They are also completely different. So that's a plus.

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Droog is Town ooba. GGG is scum tho.

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Unvote, Vote: GGG

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I feel like everyone is forgetting that the meta of cult leaders in general is warped as hell because everyone plays if differently. Everyone went on about how cult would play under the radar in asoiaf and I almost won by being as loud as I possibly could day 2.

People do not generally put cults in games unless there is a way to fuck with the cult as well. I think the focus of the whole game is wrong at the moment and I think that Elric is town with just some minor role and that everyone is overselling MS as a kill target.

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And ooba I expect you to remmeber that game because you modded the thing.

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If you have a fucking coroner ability and are about to tell me we can't trust the flips I'm going to kill Kise.

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OK. So we have a coroner. Which means there is a Janitor. Which means ANY AND ALL CASES BASED ON RELATIONAL TELLS ARE NOW UNDER QUESTION.

TIME TO FUCKING SHUT UP AND PLAY MAFIA INSTEAD OF FUCKING FART ARSEING AROUND WITH RELATIONAL BULLSHIT.

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OK. So we have a coroner. Which means there is a Janitor. Which means ANY AND ALL CASES BASED ON RELATIONAL TELLS ARE NOW UNDER QUESTION.

TIME TO FUCKING SHUT UP AND PLAY MAFIA INSTEAD OF FUCKING FART ARSEING AROUND WITH RELATIONAL BULLSHIT.

Proof of a coroner?

You just fucking claimed it.

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wtf was that

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HE DIDN'T EVEN GET A CHANCE TO FUCKING CLAIM.

ugh

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A thought occurs.

What if I'm a PGO that shoots first?

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Would explain one of the shots on SB, and would explain the timing.

The question is now, is wischo scum?

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What if Dram is scum and has to target town. Also he'd totes do it anyway to get the cred.

And I was scum reading him already.

Vote: Dram

I'm still mad at MS for hammering.

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And @bro: #Bastard

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Can they rolecop me. I wanna know what I am.

Seriously though. Droog is looking hella scummy today. The game isn't even going at that fast a pace any more and the only content being produced is attacking people for posting rate and not scumminess.

In addition, seemed to be rather confident that the kills were coming from the SK and then also tried to call the shot and be pleasant about it which leads me to believe he is very likely the cause of the other kills and not town in addition. It's like mediocre posting 101.

Also, what is the likelihood of an SK that only shoots in the day?

Actually rolecop should target droog. Or KBW.

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In addition, seemed to be rather confident that the kills were coming from the SK and then also tried to call the shot and be pleasant about it which leads me to believe he is very likely the cause of the other kills and not town in addition. It's like mediocre posting 101.

i dont really understand any of this
except you seem to be saying
'serial killer droog would be loud about there being a serial killer'

Two things.
1. The people most likely to comment on kills are the killer or a Doc.
2. When someone comes across as assuming knowledge about something that is not public knowledge usually means they have the real knowledge.
I lied 3 things.
3. The psychological process whereby everyone inherently wants to tell the truth betrays people by because the same process governs giving out information that people don't know. I think that you slipped slightly because I very sure you have information that there is an SK at play here.

And I think that it's you.

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#4098

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@bulba
I don't know.

I might be.

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I don't think KBW is lying about his role. He is definitely not the lynch today.

Today we lynch any of Dram, Bro, droog, or GGG.

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You asked the SK to shoot. What is difficult to see there?

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Also why are you suddenly posting actively when being put under pressure by one person when you have been complaining all game about posting rates and how you don't want to engage until shit quietens down.

You could have been ignoring me, everyone else has. It seems to be the general way of dealing with me in large games until people realise I fucking catch scum all the time and no one listens.

You are exhibiting behaviour which is not pro town or even indicative of any town motivation at all.

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You asked the SK to shoot. What is difficult to see there?

what about it is a 'slip'

I gave you a three step process for how I came to that conclusion. You even responded to it.

Pedit: Then if you don't replace you are playing against the town win condition and should be modkilled if you are town unless you replace immediately. Get the fuck out of the game if you are town and being an apathetic shit.

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but look
you complained i wasnt participating
here i am trying to participate with you
dont complain that im doing it in response to you
you statred this in the first place

And you are ignoring my points on you and being purposefully anti town.

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Activity evidently isn't an issue for you.

On day 1 I made it very clear that you don't need to have read the entire thread to be a productive member of the town. I even addressed that specifically to you. You didn't take that advice, you continued to lurk with the occasional post that never covered very much.
The only way that is coming froma town mindset is if you don't have the ability to be active at all. Which would be fair enough.

The fact that you can come out of the woodwork and have dialogue just shows you were specifically neglecting to keep up with this game when you could have easily played your way in to the game AS I EXPLAINED TO YOU DAY 1.

You do not have a town PM. And if you do, you need to replace to be playing to your wincon at this point otherwise you are also a liar.

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Unvote, Vote: droog

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That's not all there is to. Which is is what was being discussed. If you had an interest in creating reads you would have done it far far earlier in the game. I even explained exactly how to do it to you and how to be a contributing member of this town and you didn't. I passed it off as not having the time but that is evidently not true.

As for your questions.

No I don't have any idea.
Yes. Because of scum pushing it. You might have noticed I brought that up.
I think it could be anything. I have no degree of certainty.
Potentially, we seem to have confirmatin of Aliens so that could be cult, or itcould be another groupscum.

I explained the psychology behind it.

Now, pls die plox.

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That's not all there is to. Which is is what was being discussed. If you had an interest in creating reads you would have done it far far earlier in the game. I even explained exactly how to do it to you and how to be a contributing member of this town and you didn't. I passed it off as not having the time but that is evidently not true.

for what its worth
though i really doubt you or anyone else cares
this game got super boring once it was the top 4-5 posters talking to themselves all the time
as if this was a social club and not a game of mafia

As a responsible player. That means you replace out.

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Seems like I have more allies in this town dead than alive at the moment.

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To fuck people over.

Why else?

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Reading comprehension Dram.

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If I were dead scum. I would be cult hunting.

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Reading comprehension Dram.

What's your theory?

I read his claim as he has abilities AND can talk to the dead not that he gets the abilties of the dead.

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I really want another flip tbh.

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I'm down for Bro kill.

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I think that Ray's theory, while not assured, is enough to put reasonable doubt on TD being scum based on just role.

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There is totes also a possibility that WS is Alien the faction. However it is unlikely and would be way to risky for me to believe they are doing it. Not really your kind of gambit.

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I just had an epiphany.

What if Alien is used in the American sense. As in synonymous with foreigner. What if any character that isn't Capcom is thus an Alien?

Ok, now back to bed.

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Not going to be voting WS.

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Dram should give me a gun so I can shoot people who I cbf making cases on.

MS, you are wrong here man. Calling it. The AtE certainly isn't going to help WS, but srsly bro. droog is conf anti-town. WS is not. Like even the people not on droog were like "yeah he's probs scum of some type."

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When there's two wagons, and one is you. It becomes pretty hard to not vote the other.

I feel that MS hasn't really looked at enough of the game. There is just as much, if not more relational evidence for GGG as there is for WS, and yet one of them is being wagoned while the other isn't.

MS has cherry picked and while I don't think that it makes a good case, I also don't really feel it's scum motivated. But rather motivated by laziness or a sense of I found a scum so I can stop looking now.

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You will never have a balanced cult game when everyone is recruitable.

So I'm thinking. TD's claim makes sense as an additional ability to a Cult Leader and the alien/not-alien is what indicated recruitability.

GGG is the most likely to be Mafia, TD is the most likely to be Cult.

Vote: TD

This lynch provides the most gamewide information of the two I think.

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I was also completely right about droog having role related info regarding an SK. I'm sorry I was incorrect about the side of the coin.

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OMFG DRAM. WE ARE NOT LYNCHING KBW TODAY

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So is Muk dude.

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Ugh GGG is the lynch.

Please and Thank you.

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Well that flip makes me sad.

Turns out I must just be a gunsmith miller.

I've already full claimed so I'm gonna sit back and watch.

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I REALLY WISH THAT KBW WAS HERE RIGHT NOW SO WE COULD GET RESULTS FROM AA9

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We worked that out from Arc Angel's flip already but thanks for that.

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Because it gives a reason for me to have not been lied to in my role pm.

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Hey bulba. Have you entertained the idea that you are all different sanities.

Like one could have been Naive, You Paranoid and the other Insane.

Fits the results you've given thus far.

I still wouldn't be trusting your results.

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You're all fucking morons

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I think MS is scum and Bulba is town.

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i thought im human, but i am apparently a robot modeled after a human

Does anyone notice something with this post?

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Every mafia flip has been a robot of some kind.

Every other flip has been non-robot.

We were talking about this yesterday.

You so scums.

Vote: TWOH

You also have relational ties to SB.

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Then why didn't they use it?

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What if everyone votes the person below them and we make the executioner make a shot before anything else happens, and see who they pick.

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Fairly sure someone said somewhere that Pere's ability doesn't double factional kills.

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I'm not seeing anything town in pergV's play or role claim.

Why would he claim something we would lynch sooner or later?
He's not scum, he's just a good lynch because of double cops and roleblocks tonight

Why would we lynch the double ability sooner or later. Essentially it's a beloved princess role balanced out with a little extra utility for town. If you believe he is town you don't ever lynch him.

Actually if Pere is telling the truth about him not granting an extra scum kill, then it is entirely positive for town to kill him given how many mafia are dead and that we have cops who need to work out their sanities. Normally mafia PRs would come in to it, but seeing as so many are dead there is little to no advantage for mafia if Pere is lynched.

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I'm worried that Pere might need to actually be lynched for the ability to trigger in which case it is worse to leave him for execution.

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Well fuck that then.

Pedit: ???

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Thanks for quoting, I see where I got the wrong idea off twoh's post.

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Wait a minute, why are you guys even entertaining the idea of lynching Pere?

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On that note, if pere does die, I'm probs the best lynch seeing as I have no PR.

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Ok so looking at it. Given that sanities still aren't confirmed and might not be. And that town roleblocker is an investigative role lategame.
Scum need to kill TWOH if he isn't scum or they will lose unless town derps and lynches with 6 left tomorrow (assumed worst case scenario of two scum which I doubt there is more than)

Therefore Pere dying is the best course of action PROVIDED that TWOH claims both their targets today.

That would result (in two scum scenario) worst case that two people die. We have a cop result we can analyse, a pair of players where at least one is town. That is out of seven slots.

1x Mason
2x Pair of at least 1 town
1x Goat
3x Other slots.

That is pretty awesome odds for a worst case scenario.

Unvote, Vote: PereV

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Because a roleblcoker has more reliable investigations in this game state than cos whose sanities are unconfirmed.

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Think about two nights from now if they don't kill you. You can get results even if you are killed because your results are visible to everyone if you claim your targets beforehand. A cop needs to survive to the next day to do the same thing.

Scum are fucking retarded if they don't kill you tonight.

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I agree that we will be a priority kill at this point, considering mafia team has been ripped half to shit, investigative roles seem imperfect and we counter every faction with a limited amount of players pretty fucking hard. But if we announce targets beforehand, we have after death investigative abilities but also about a 0% chance of blocking the kill.

That makes no sense.

Do you agree that there are no more than 2 more scum in the game?

If there is one scum in the game then you announcing your action has no bearing because they can't change killer.
If there are two and you announce both, then no kills yay and we found scum. (they could gambit and no kill when you don't target either, but with the execute they would still lose the maths because they missed the kills and we have so many results.)
If there are two and only one is a target for you. They use the other, yes there are two kills, but you have a pool of likely not scum and we come out ahead on numbers anyway.

You announcing has no bearing on stopping kills. You claimed roleblocker not doctor.

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Let's for a moment assume that I'm right and that TWoH is scum. We lynch PV town, he kills you both and blocks me.
Tomorrow we lynch him, he flips scum, scum kills someone at night between me and DN.

4 player, no lynch, scum kills the other of me and DN.

3 player endgame between BRO, GGG and TD.

SOUNDS EXCITING.

There may be an execution in there and there may only be 1 scum.

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The blocks should be out of the pool of Myself, DN, GGG and TD because we don't get advantage from doubles.

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That is not an empower, that's a beloved princess.
Dammit Pere, that changes a LOT =_=

EDIT: TWoH, don't block BRO tonight.

This is actually very true. Especially considering we lost night talk in the thread. That is a heap worse for us.

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VOTE: espy

Espy is the right lynch now.

The executioner had a choice between espy and and PergV, We would have likely lynched PereV anyway so if Espy was town he was the correct execution.

As for blocks I don't think disclosing your block is correct.

Also have we worked out cop sanitizes yet so the investigations are reliable?

Depends how it works, I wasn't over half way to lynch at time of shot for example which I think has been consistent so far.

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On balance the lynch is the same as the block pool.

Myself, GGG and TD.

Of which GGG has the strongest ties to the dead scums.

Vote: GGG

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Is there anyone that thinks I am not town? Asking for reasons

I don't have you at 100% more like 99.75%. Like you could be posturing to win an endgame. I think it's super unlikely though. Dram scum is much more likely than you.

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Umm what? Where did I suggest declaring the blocks? I'm against that.

Sorry had you confused.

That was my idea because he has the advantage of actually being able to have his results out even if he is killed the night of. However, it was a suggestion from when P5 was pretending he wasn't a BP.

P5 flipping BP changes things because the whole plan and reason I was behind the lynch goes to shit if there are two scum left.

Actually given the maths, I think Dram is even more likely to be mafia because he was vehemently against an idea that was positive for town given the information in play, but then perked up when P5 flipped BP instead. However, given that it will become obvious as soon as he stops cooperating with town in a PR sense, he isn't the lynch for today.

TD needs to not be cryptic.

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Naming the blocks was always a bad idea that helped scum.

Espy do you have a power that does anything else? Your role seems so underpowered compared to everyone else.

I am literally a townie with a gun. You can understand why I thought there was something to it, especially considering kise put in a joke.

@TD. What EXACTLY was your result and what information do you have in regards to what your role should do?

soz

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to be honest TWOH should be protected because they are the most reliable investigate we have.

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Ok, tell me why you would not protect the strongest investigative role at this point in the game?

"I have the hibbygeebies about the slot" is not an acceptable answer unless you are going to actively try to lynch them.

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1 or 2

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I haven't look at any math, that is just a gut feeling from the way I am reading the people left in the game.

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I should clarify that I think there is probably more than just group scum that is antitown still alive.

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There could be almost any third party left around. DN as SK is looking less and less likely every post though. But I'm not ruling out other third party forms.

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yes

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No, I'm not saying it something that needs to be actively dealt with, just that it's a consideration that is in the back of my mind.

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Sanities are making me unhappy in trusting them. We have no idea if they are random or not.

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Shrug. If you heed only one thing I say let it be this.

If the cops aren't random one of them is scum.

GGG has the biggest relational tells to the dead mafia so far, second is TWOH.

Dram is being cheeky and posturing. If he is scum I should congratulate him because his word structure looks like he is specifically trying to seem to seem town through tone, but it's so consistent AND so heavy that I am finding it really difficult to not read it as intentional.

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gg all

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I feel really bad for WS though, they should get an honorary win I think. Definitely town MVP by a long shot.

is this a disguised pun
but i agree

i actually got very angry at the thought of this game and basically stopped posting from d2 onwards srry sonic but i was there for night phases we literally got a guilty on TWOH right before we died so whoops
He's lucky he RB'ed us on N3 tho because we had done the same investigation
(also ftr ive almost never heard of town roleblockers before so idk exactly why that got severely swept under the rug unless im just unexposed)

Town roleblocker starts off as a weak role and becomes one of the strongest town power roles later on in the game.

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I maintain that had PV just claimed Beloved Princess, we would have had a completely different game. Wischo would have needed a heap of fancy footwork to explain their survival.

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Death GF.