Street Racers: London (Game over!)

[Kaboose]

Oh this started, no game start pm for me

VOTE: AFB

VOTE: Guyett

His game start and role pm were sent to me by accident.

[Kaboose]

@MOD, check my ISO for a vote you missed. Voted Guyett.

I'm going to read this all again and see if my head can not explode this time.

[Kaboose]

Also mod it looks like Not Voting should be lynched, has 19 votes.

Is that an old joke that people hate? Because I could see how it could be.

[Kaboose]

And now for something completely different.

UNVOTE: Impossibear
VOTE: Kaboose

You like tossing votes around with no reason?

[Kaboose]

UNVOTE:

I don't know what to do now. Almost everyone looks town.

Like they say in poker, if you look around the table and can't find the mark, you're the mark.

If you look around the game and can't find the scum, you're the scum?

[Kaboose]

And now for something completely different.

UNVOTE: Impossibear
VOTE: Kaboose

You like tossing votes around with no reason?

Was my naked vote or my enjoyment thereof in question?

I actually just assumed it was because of my terrible joke.

[Kaboose]

Is this where guyett posts a GIF with Oprah giving everyone town reads?

[Kaboose]

Mastin has to explain his town read on me

Especially after this post

Townreads don't need explanations because a Townie doing Townish things isn't doing anything worth pointing out

What Townie questions an accurate Townread on themselves?

Vote Guyett

why not vote me when I questioned ETL's town read on me?

ETL always thinks you're town though.

[Kaboose]

Aneninen (1): dramonic
Angry Frat BROS (2): ArcAngel9
Formerfish (1): Hostile Intent
Guyett (1): Kaboose
Kaboose (1): Angry Frat BROs
theamatuer (7): Titus, Nobody Special, Nero Cain, vezokpiraka, Belisarius, Guyett,

TriforceP

Triforce (2): Om Eye Gosh, Aneninen
Not voting (14): diginova, Formerfish, JerryArr, StarbucksLovers, mastin2, MonkeyMan576, PeaceBringer, PeregrineV, Pine, T S O, theamatuer, TheWayItEnds, Yiley, Impossibear

Point of clarity: when I said "if there was scum on amateur", I meant the

first

votecount.

There's

definitely

scum on it NOW. *points to Triforce*

You seem pretty sure of that. Why aren't you voting for Triforce? How can you know so early in the game someone is scum? I think you can have slight hunches right now. You're saying "definitely" that's pretty strong wording for D1. Also very strong wording for no vote as well.

[Kaboose]

So triforce is definitely scum to you, but Om is more scum. And based on the last vote count you're not voting Om either? What makes you vote if you've already picked out two scum for sure and haven't yet?

[Kaboose]

So triforce is definitely scum to you, but Om is more scum.

Yep! Pretty much.

Also, the last votecount was before I came into the game, soyeah, the Om vote I made will be shown next one.

Oh I'm sorry, I missed your vote in all of that. Good stuff. I was confused because I didn't think you were voting, but it's clear now.

[Kaboose]

So Starbucks doesn't seem to want to take part in early game expecting to be around in later on...

Are you scum Guyett? Should I leave my vote on?

I really don't know what's going on around here. There's so much to look at, I feel overwhelmed.

[Kaboose]

UNVOTE: Guyett

Pine, I don't like why you voted Guyett.

Why wouldn't town want to question such an early town read?

[Kaboose]

Angry Frat Bros - You're town to me. I like your vote on me too, sticks with your game plan from early on. Stay true.

StarbucksLovers - Do you still think Nero is scummy for the wagon you saw him jump on by reading the ISO of the mod?

Nero Cain - In you 17 you say there's no way this isn't multiball, but from what I've read this thread the last game like this wasn't multiball, so why are you sure it is here? Also did you ever explain why you felt Nobody Special is scum, and why you are voting him?

I feel like Om Eye Gosh is being voted because on this site the person who dominates the posting on D1 always gets votes early. Do you people on their wagon actually think they are scum or have you just seen them posting enough to have them fresh in your head whenever you come up with a scum read? What has OEG actually done? I don't like their wagon at all.

How come more people aren't pointing out theamateur's 19 - 29 - 39?

19 - acknowledges a third party is likely in the game...
29 - mentions a super secret third party that no one knows about? Huh?
39 - Says there isn't a 3rd party because it should be referenced in his pm?

How come this never caught more steam?

I'll stop here for now. Gonna snoop through some other ISOs as the day goes on.

[Kaboose]

375 really looks like he's trying too hard to appear to have town motivation in his post. The vote itself, while on a wagon I agreed with, is opportunistic. All of those reasons and sheeped, weak, and make me realize how bad the Om wagon is. Town-reading someone for posting a picture is also mind-numbingly bad and terrible logic when said player does that as any alignment. Topping that off that I find it convenient of him to be posting this mere hours after someone requested his presence.

UNVOTE: Om Eye Gosh
VOTE: JerryArr

Talk about trying to look town? You're going to place a vote on someone who isn't really around to defend themselves? Easily could have popped in and just posted "VLA will catch up ASAP" and been all there was to it and then what?

Your post seems opportunistic in the sense that you now look like you're doing something by placing a vote on someone who won't be around for a couple of days.

JerryArr has posted one time and you've got him pegged scum from it?

PLEASE enlighten me on the depth of his scumminess. PLEASE analyze ALL of his posts so I can help see this along with you.

[Kaboose]

@Pine - I'm sorry but you can't really disagree with a question can you?

[Kaboose]

Pine! Kaboose!

Give me your thoughts please. Strongest scum reads? Strongest town reads?

I'm not sure who I'm scum reading to be honest. I still don't get Pine voting for Guyett over Guyett wondering about a town read that early in the game. I guess because I understand why Guyett would ask that. Angry Frat? Bros, I can't remember his whole name, is town to me. That's about all I say on that.

JerryArr has posted one time and you've got him pegged scum from it?

PLEASE enlighten me on the depth of his scumminess.

What is the town motivation behind dropping a vote and then declaring a V/LA? Most town instinct would be NOT to drop a vote and wait until you've caught up/fully engaged. I agree with Hostile's perception of JerryArr.

My point was that it would have been better for scum to make his ONE post "Hey I'm going VLA, be back asap to catch up" rather than actually post some content and opinions and then bolt.

On top of that, JerryArr has ONE post and that was enough for HI to vote him for being scum?

[Kaboose]

552 - My only problem with this, until I get to a computer and type more, is that Im not voting Pine.

[Kaboose]

Solid chainsaw defense, bro. Tell me... is there a reason you're voting Pine aside from his less-than-spectacular Guyett vote? No? Then what exactly is the difference, sans post count? I found the post incredibly scummy and wish to explore an avenue I find particularly damning. I'm not going to sit on my vote and do nothing until he comes back if that's what you're implying. Matter of fact, he's not on v/la yet so there's a possibility we'll have an exchange before he goes. I honestly fucking doubt it because, as Ipointed out, his timing is awfully convenient and makes his post more suspect imo. Its a post with sheeped reads, one shit reasoned read on Anen, and a sheep vote. And his avatar is fucking atrocious. Problem?.

First, what's a chain saw defense?

Second, like I said, I'm not voting Pine. Why did you think I'm voting Pine?

Third, I'd imagine the difference is I'm not voting Pine, but you're voting someone over their ONE post.

Fourth, I was thinking that could be what you were doing, but if that's not what you were doing then why bother voting? I always assume there's two reasons to vote someone. You vote them to lynch them, and you vote them to put pressure on them. Did you think you could lynch him? Did you think you could put pressure on him? Did you think you could talk any of us in to voting for the guy with ONE post?

I could care less if you find someone scummy, but RVS votes have more meaning than your vote in my opinion. Your vote was wasted energy and space. I don't like that.

[Kaboose]

Was that "you're riding pine" a pun? or no pun intended?

[Kaboose]

Kaboose, I'm not here to hold your hand but I'll walk you through this. I don't care that it's only one post right now. It made me say "wow, that's scummy as fuck" out loud. And whether a band of townies and scum parade behind me now or later makes no difference to me right this second. If I see something else that pings me, then and only then I'll change my vote. Until then I'm sitting on this vote. The Om wagon and the amateur wagon don't interest me.

The way you were griping about Pine's vote made me think you were voting him. Sorry?

Check the wiki for chainsaw defense, I don't feel like being your IC right now.

Okay.

Kaboose: Why not ask Mastin why he thought I was town when you went after HI for saying I was scum?

I didn't see this, so that's why.

[Kaboose]

Kaboose, 532 – what sort of pigeon poop was that? Since when has been scummy to vote for someone who is away for a couple of days?

My problem with the whole situation was that JerryArr made one post, HI posted with a scum lean/read on it. That part is fine, I can agree with that.

Then before Jerry posted again, HI voted him. Now my first issue was that, he had one post for us to look over. My second problem with that is that he was going on VLA apparently.

Now when I vote someone, like I said, it's with intent to lynch or pressure. That vote wasn't doing either of those things. Does anyone actually think HI would get Jerry lynched over one post? Does anyone think HI could put pressure on Jerry over one post? I don't.

The vote was just wasteful and useless.

As far as the VLA, when I first read HI's post and looked over what he was talking about, the first thing that popped in my head was that he was buying himself some time on his reads or something. Seeing how his vote wasn't going to start an immediate conversation with Jerry.

[Kaboose]

I'm sorry Om, I am trying my best to keep up with everyone. If you'd like to talk let's talk.

[Kaboose]

kaboose r u goin to repeatedly ignore my claims of agreeing with the one post read

What about the one post read do you agree with? You don't give a reason in your one claim.

Besides I already said I don't mind him scum reading him off one post, I just didn't get the point of HI voting him yet.

[Kaboose]

Oh sorry HI, I'll get your pronoun correct from now on.

Aneninen - It was an attempt to be a hipster of voting. Like a "I was on this wagon before it was cool" or something. I just think it was too much of a shot in the dark, and with so many other people posting much more content, I thought it was lazy. We're all sitting around looking at people and events, and HI wants to wave around her arms saying "oh I found scum over here everyone, come look" and it's like she thought she found gold by putting her shovel in the ground one time or something.

I see I'm quickly growing as the minority who thinks this way but I still don't agree with the vote.

I'll answer questions about my opinion but I'm not bringing it up anymore for now. I'm moving on today.

[Kaboose]

Well om I think when people post like you.

[Kaboose]

They tend to end up with huge posts counts.

[Kaboose]

Like you.

[Kaboose]

Pine, I don't like why you voted Guyett.

Hello, Pine's scumbuddy. Im AP. I'll be tunneling the shit out of you until you kill me, which you should do tonight. You have the rest of these clowns eating out of the palms of your hand.

Hello AP. You're still town to me regardless of what you think about me. <3

How come this never caught more steam?

This was like the main topic of debate right from the get-go. My face:

Yeah but he only got to like 6 votes or something, maybe not even that. It was forgotten and I don't know why. Especially the three post of his that I point out should be enough in my mind to see him lynched.

552 - My only problem with this, until I get to a computer and type more, is that Im not voting Pine.

This sounds really fake to me. Kaboose seems largely self aware of what hes doing here. I'd break it down word by word, but I know that no one is going to give a shit and Kaboose is just ML bait.

I don't understand what you're saying. Am I not supposed to know who I am and am not voting for?

[Kaboose]

Pine, I don't like why you voted Guyett.

Hello, Pine's scumbuddy. Im AP. I'll be tunneling the shit out of you until you kill me, which you should do tonight. You have the rest of these clowns eating out of the palms of your hand.

How come this never caught more steam?

This was like the main topic of debate right from the get-go. My face:

513 looks fairly town to me for now.

552 - My only problem with this, until I get to a computer and type more, is that Im not voting Pine.

This sounds really fake to me. Kaboose seems largely self aware of what hes doing here. I'd break it down word by word, but I know that no one is going to give a shit and Kaboose is just ML bait.

Go ahead & break it down. You've made some interesting points.

Kaboose why are you not gonna vote for Pine? He looks scummy IMO.

Ollie

Why are you assuming I'm not going to vote for him? Have I ever been someone to toss a vote out for the hell of it?

My prob with kaboose is on this site he is vastly different to the other site. I dont know what it is exactly but he is lynchbait on this site

I've yet to feel as if the way I like to play on FF.net would work on this site. Mostly because it hardly works on FF.net.

[Kaboose]

Simple: I think #29 is a scumslip. My role PM doesn't give any indication of multiball, so why is Amateur so sure unless his scumteam is too small and/or underpowered for a game of this size?

there is a distinct possibility of information given related to a role that is not scum related. This is why I didn't jump on this so called scum slip. If he is scum, there will be more information on Amateur sooner or later. If he is not scum, there will be more information sooner or later. It does not seem to be a prudent course at this time, imo.

I hate this attitude. Like a sit back and wait like you have time to sit back and wait? I mean this is the most blah thing I've read this whole game and this whole game is one giant blah to me right now.
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I had so much quoted but by the time I got here I forgot why I even cared about all of that stuff. This stuck out the most as I immediately remembered why I hated the above quote.

I'm starting to think it really doesn't matter what anyone thinks because in 3 hours there will be another 10 pages of content to look through and I'll be even more lost than I was 35 pages ago.

Why don't we vote the slot that needs a replacement? That way we can spare some soul the 36 pages and 28 people worth of a game that they'll never fully catch up to.

[Kaboose]

Kaboose, are you caught up? If yes, talk to me about your reads please. If not, where are you so far?

I like Angry Frat Bros. Only person I feel comfortable reading as town.

I dislike theamateur, and PeaceBringer, to a lesser extent dislike pine.

I'm still upset with you over your vote too.

[Kaboose]

Cool cool cool. Reasons?

Except that last one. You're advocating to policy lynch the person I think is scummy. I imagine you'd vote that wagon. How is your policy lynch vote better than my scummy-post vote?

All of angry's posts stand out to me, and all of them make me think he wants to figure the game out. He's bold, decisive.

the amateur's 192939 are why I think he should have probably been lynched already.

PeaceBringer has been added based on the post I quoted just a bit ago.

Pine because I think it was dumb to question someone questioning a townread on themselves like 3 pages in to the game or something.

It's not. I just feel bad for whoever decides to replace in to this mess.

[Kaboose]

Kaboose: You worried about a random naked vote on you? “If you look around the game and can't find the scum, you're the scum?” This is a stupid statement. Scum can manufacture scum because they know they have to. Town has a harder time manufacturing scumreads because we get paranoid as fuck that we are pushing a townie and potentially a pr. #181 you have never played with Mastin have you?

I was worried? The part with the quotations was in regards to someone who said something like "I can't find any scum" or "Everyone looks town to me" or something. It's purpose was telegraphed by people it wasn't intended for. You're a stupid statement. I didn't know Mastin existed until this game.

[Kaboose]

Kaboose, why aren't you voting theamatuer?
Can you explain how you're not being hypocritical re: your vote re: 1. not voting and 2. having a worse reason to vote the same person I was voting?

Because all I've done is doubt myself this whole game because I'm overwhelmed.

[Kaboose]

The way I've always played is read and post read and post, so like when I'm behind, I usually quote it, respond move to the next post in one giant wall. Well I do that this game with that, and I'm already past where others suspected it, and also already past where others dismissed it before I even bring it up, so now this happens I see no point in whatever because the conversation is already over.

Whatever though what he did was scummy.

VOTE: the amateur

I'm not moving off of it.

[Kaboose]

Yeah, large games are a completely different experience than anything else here, but that's kind of not a good enough reason not to be voting someone you clearly have a pretty strong scum read on. I'm getting the feeling you're afraid to look scummy for voting on the wagon. Are there any other reasons you're not voting?

@Kaboose: Do you think StarbucksLovers is town? I think this is the wrong time to lynch someone for this type of supposed scumslip. It would make more sense later in the game when we look more into massclaims/etc.

Can you see now why I'm so doubtful of what to do?

[Kaboose]

Speaking of Kaboose..... where the hell did he go?

Hello!

[Kaboose]

That was the third time my name was said. A computer appeared and when I opened Chrome it was right on this page ready for me to respond.

Yep, scum. Lynch me please.

I think this game would have been a lot better with a 3 day time limit.

Also FormerFish is a very nasty person. I would like to lynch them.

[Kaboose]

That was the third time my name was said. A computer appeared and when I opened Chrome it was right on this page ready for me to respond.

Yep, scum. Lynch me please.

Sarcasm. Noted.

I think this game would have been a lot better with a 3 day time limit.

NO.

Also FormerFish is a very nasty person. I would like to lynch them.

Tell me why FF is a better option over Starbucks or dramonic.

Well I never said that, I didn't even say I would like to lynch FF at a specific time. Why are you assuming that? I simply said I'd like them lynched for being nasty to me. Which was uncalled for in my opinion. He can go be a jerk in the dead thread for all I care.
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Kaboose is town ETL

You shut your mouth.
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Kaboose is town ETL

I originally thought so but you gotta tell me why that read should remain that way when he's not done anything lately but read the thread and show up when he's called.

And then gives me a snarky response when I point it out, and tells me FormerFish is the scum king of all scums with no explanation.

Please show me where I said FF was THAT scummy. Or scummy at all. He was nasty to me was my reason. Thanks for trying to misrep me. #notnice
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Also it's totally obvious he looked up beetlejuice.

No way, I'm a fan of of ole BJ.
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Kaboose is town ETL

I'll be the judge of that.

Ollie (Master Kaboose Hunter)

You know nothing, Jon Snow.
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[Kaboose]

@ETL's Hydra

Kaboose: You worried about a random naked vote on you? “If you look around the game and can't find the scum, you're the scum?”

This is a stupid statement.

Scum can manufacture scum because they know they have to. Town has a harder time manufacturing scumreads because we get paranoid as fuck that we are pushing a townie and potentially a pr. #181 you have never played with Mastin have you?

Kaboose: How did you feel about people voting Am before he could comment on his “slip?” Did you take umbrage with those people? If not,

then why bother with Hostiles one fucking vote for basically the same thing?
I can’t believe that we are still discussing the “slip” on page 30.

Kaboose: That was a good comeback, I’ll make sure to ask my 13 year old nephew for one to really burn you back with.

You asked Bros if they enjoyed putting down naked votes. That’s the worried part. You had one vote on you and commented on it. Why? If you are not moving off the Am vote, why did it take someone shaming you into making it?

The first bolded part is really unneccessary that he would rather us just disregard something that someone finds scummy instead of embracing it and looking through it regardless when it occurred.

I don't even know what comeback he was talking about either.

[Kaboose]

Ohhh I see it now. Whatever you're still mean(er).

then why bother with Hostiles one fucking vote for basically the same thing?
I can’t believe that we are still discussing the “slip” on page 30.

This. Why does it matter when we discuss it if someone finds it scummy? If it's interesting to someone, it shouldn't just be forgotten. Or pushed aside. It happened. You can't ignore it, but you clearly want to.

[Kaboose]

And I just realized that you never answered the question there, so how about you tell me why you gave the people who voted for Am before he had a chance to speak.

What was wrong with them voting him?

[Kaboose]

More experienced people:Mechanics wise, what can we expect in large games that we wouldn't expect in a normal sized game, such as multi or tripleball (if that's even a term)?

no way this isn't multiball. Discuss.

or 3 mafia?
How many kills per night do you reckon there will be on average?

Pretty sure theres just gonna be a maf kill and a secondary killing role (either a vig or third party)

stealing first hydra post from eye hehehehe
VOTE: Dram

DAMN YOU OM!
I approve of the no no lynching, and the 2 weeks of discussion. This game is a first for me in many ways. Right now, there are 30 other people playing. That's double the previous largest amount ive had.
Its also my first hydra.
Anyways, I have some questions to get the ball rolling.
Everyone: How will you play this game differently to a normal sized game (eg 13 people)?
More experienced people:Mechanics wise, what can we expect in large games that we wouldn't expect in a normal sized game, such as multi or tripleball (if that's even a term)?

Don't see any reason to play a large game differently. theres still town, and still scum. OUtside of a few Bastard games, the mechanics would be all around the same.

So you think this is one big scumteam?

Looks like it yeah, since my role pm only describes the existence of one other team. Except for the existence of a super secret third party scum team that no one knows about, there should be only one group

VOTE: Amateur

29 does not come from town. Read your role PMs.

Looks like it yeah, since my role pm only describes the existence of one other team. Except for the existence of a super secret third party scum team that no one knows about, there should be only one group

looks like Coug failed to inform me that this was singleball and it looks like Titus beat me to it.

VOTE: Amateur

The sample PM mentions "all threats", not "the threat". Why would you think that theres only one scum team because of your pm?
P.Edit: I hope we love eachother <3

The flavor in my role PM only references the Death Bikers in it though. Shouldn't there be a reference to a third party if there was a second scum team?

Yeah, no.

VOTE: theamateur

Well, that was easy.

VOTE: theamateur

Yeah amateur and triforce are scum.

Let's go with triforce

vote: TriforceP

Walk me through your logic.

Player A drops a scumslip
Player B soft-defends player A
and you're voting....Player B? When is this ever a good idea?

VOTE: Amateur

/bussing

He had two posts that looked odd when read together 19 & 29 before the first vote.

Two votes in between 19/29 & 39 which he goes back and forth on what he's saying...

Then three more votes.

What did these people do wrong?

[Kaboose]

Well aside from not finish this lynch.

[Kaboose]

kaboosey

i want to townread you for being sensitive to that..

Seriously, people who are negative to that extent to anything someone finds scummy, just annoy me. Why put it down? Are your reads more holier than thou?

That crap happens a lot on this site. I'm going to start a movement to make it a policy lynch.

[Kaboose]

And I just realized that you never answered the question there, so how about you tell me why you gave the people who voted for Am before he had a chance to speak.

What was wrong with them voting him?

Not what I'm saying. Is this an attempt at a misrep or do I have to use smaller words when asking you questions?

You're an ass and I'm not answering crap for you. Find someone else to ask me questions.

[Kaboose]

My point with HI's vote, was that regardless of the content JerryArr had in his post, it was one post from JerryArr and a vote for it. That was all he had to go on. One post. How were we to build anything off of one post? What interactions could we analyze? What do we have to go off of?

The first vote on Amateur came after he had 6 posts I think. He had 7 posts by the time he got his 5th or whatever he had. There was content to look at, there was him saying one thing, then the opposite, and then saying the original thing again.

JerryArr posted once, voted, and went on VLA, and we were supposed to wagon him and think he was scum? It wasn't going anywhere. It was a wasted vote at that time. Hostile should have just said "I'm reading you as scum." To me there shouldn't have been a vote. It looked like a prod dodge or something, an act to show us HI was trying when I didn't see an actual resolution to what he was attempting.

[Kaboose]

FF you can scum read me to the moon and back, I don't give a crap. But if you're going to insult me then fuck off yourself.

[Kaboose]

beetlejuicing is just an indication that a person is actively lurking, which can be a scumtell depending on the player.

Kaboose is, in my experience, a lot like me in the fact that he gets excited about games and really involved and really wants to win the game. And yet his engagement here is bleh. He hasn't really added anything to the discussion re: Amatuer/Om/Starbucks/Deux/dramonic. He hasn't gotten involved in much of anything in a while. But when I say "hey where's Kaboose" he shows up immediately. This tells me that he's watching and reading the thread, which means he's interested in how it's going, but he's not posting, which he would do as town.

Ollie - thoughts on my eval of Kaboose here? I think it's close to correct if not spot on.

There is no one who gets more excited about games than Kaboose. No he's not been involved as much as he usually is but then again I don't think I have either. This big game is a bit overwhelming when you hardly know any of the players. & he gets lynched instantaneously so I can't blame him for being careful. He was scum in our most recent game on FF & I caught him. ISO his posts in that for a pretty good baseline on what he's like as scum.

Kaboose is town ETL

You shut your mouth.

I can't believe you missed the opportunity to ask him why he's town reading you.

Albert Einstein

Funny, you "caught" me? Who got the link to the dead thread first?

[Kaboose]

"do I have to use smaller words when asking you questions?"

The most recent time.

"Let the man scumhunt the way he deems fit."

What's different from what I'm doing to him, and you're not doing to me?

As far as Nero and Titus getting passes, I never thought to look in to why they would or wouldn't get a pass as I felt Am did something scummy, and agreed with their votes. Do you think JerryArr's one post is scummier than 19, 29, 39 of Amateurs?

[Kaboose]

"What's the difference between what I did to HI, and what you're doing to me right now." Is how that one line probably should have read.

[Kaboose]

I saw, what both you and HI said about JerryArr being scummy and I agree with it! I've never said I disagreed with JerryArr being looked at as scum. I disagreed with the wasted vote on something we couldn't progress on with anything else until they got back from VLA.

[Kaboose]

Well I want ETL to answer my question. What is your take on ETL ignoring that?

I don't know if you can fault anyone for ignoring a question when there are 20-28 voices depending on activity all talking at one time in this thread.

Did she ignore you while you both were posting, or did you just put a question out there and hope she saw it in this cluster?

[Kaboose]

Still getting a Belisarius scum read

I could almost agree with this. I finished a game with him not but a couple days ago and he was acting so scummy, and flipped town. Now he's acting so townie I'm wondering if he won't flip scum.

[Kaboose]

I could almost agree with this. I finished a game with him not but a couple days ago and he was acting so scummy, and flipped town. Now he's acting so townie I'm wondering if he won't flip scum

False dichotomy noted.

I'm not as educated as you because I don't know what dichotomy is, not what one would be whilst being false. Could you help me understand you?

[Kaboose]

Also I mean, I know this is like the second game we've been in, but I read you as for sure scum in the last game and you were town. I get town from you this game, does that mean you're scum?

[Kaboose]

I could almost agree with this. I finished a game with him not but a couple days ago and he was acting so scummy, and flipped town. Now he's acting so townie I'm wondering if he won't flip scum

False dichotomy noted.

I'm not as educated as you because I don't know what dichotomy is, not what one would be whilst being false. Could you help me understand you?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/False_dilemma

Assuming I present the argument "Beli acted like scum in this game with me, and he was town. Beli acted like town in this game with me, he might be scum." Is it still a false dichotomy if it ends up being a true assumption?

[Kaboose]

UNVOTE: theamateur
VOTE: starbucks

for the good of the game.

[Kaboose]

smh at people trying to figure a 28 person game out on D1.

[Kaboose]

Lurking should be considered a scum tell simply because it's the easiest place for a scum to hide. So if it became common town practice to never lurk, it would force scum to post more, and by posting more it would give us a better chance to catch them slipping/lying.

[Kaboose]

People I'd vig: Kaboose, because hes pretty transparently scum and somehow Ceph and I are the only people seeing whats obvious.

People I'd hug: Angry Frat BROS, because he's a towns town. Go get 'em tiger.

[Kaboose]

TITUS.

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU.

AA9 RAGES AS TOWN, YES. BUT SHE DOES NOT FUCKING SPEW NASTINESS AND INSULTS. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE THAT YOU ARE EITHER IGNORING ON PURPOSE OR REFUSE TO SEE.

I DON'T EVEN GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOUR ALIGNMENT IS AT THIS POINT.

YOUR POINTS ARE SO FUCKING ASS BACKWARDS RIGHT NOW IT'S GODDAMN UNBELIEVABLE THAT ANYONE COULD POSSIBLY ARRIVE AT THOSE CONCLUSIONS.

YOU KNOW WHAT I TOLD JINGLE LAST NIGHT? I TOLD HIM I THOUGHT I FIGURED OUT HOW TO UNDERSTAND YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS.

IT INVOLVES FUCK TONS OF MARIJUANA.

NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO GET FUCKING DOPED UP TO UNDERSTAND YOU.

[Kaboose]

Hey! How about that. I'm almost certain the reason I even thought of that scene was the subconscious thought created by seeing your avatar. That's awesome.

[Kaboose]

@ETL, Ollie seems to understand me just fine. It's ok that your scum PM dictates the fake rage at me. I agree no one should need to get doped up to understand me. In fact people are. The number of questions I have needed to respond to has dropped dramatically over time. Just because either you're an idiot who ignores scum, scum yourself (most likely), or someone who feels disagreement from a "lesser" player is intolerable, is not my problem.

That being said, you should take a chill pill.

Wow that's the most Ollie thing anyone has ever said since the last thing Ollie ever said. You two were made for each other.

[Kaboose]

So Deux, does that mean you don't want to see Starbucks lynched even though they're like 4 votes away?

[Kaboose]

Let's lynch Deux because I'm tired of seeing so many caps locks stuck to respond to him.

Also wtf is a hedge? Like why are we talking about bushes?

[Kaboose]

Ollie has this unique ability to take the position of "My way or the highway" where highway means you're scum because you should just do what Ollie figured out.

I'm getting the same vibe from Titus as well because I can no longer tell the two apart.

Both have the game already figured out.

This means don't argue with them because there's not changing their mind.

Either lynch that slot so we don't have them around anymore... Listen to them and go with it... Or just ignore them.

[Kaboose]

Ollie has this unique ability to take the position of "My way or the highway" where highway means you're scum because you should just do what Ollie figured out.

I'm getting the same vibe from Titus as well because I can no longer tell the two apart.

Both have the game already figured out.

This means don't argue with them because there's not changing their mind.

Either lynch that slot so we don't have them around anymore... Listen to them and go with it... Or just ignore them.

Wrong. We actually have been communicating with each other and heading towards joint reads.

lmao see what I mean everyone? I just gave my opinion... And it's wrong.

[Kaboose]

Let's lynch Deux because I'm tired of seeing so many caps locks stuck to respond to him.

Also wtf is a hedge? Like why are we talking about bushes?

Wow. ETL rages and you want to lynch me? Why didn't my posts get the same treatment in men? Oh right I am town.

A hedge is a post where someone doesn't really take a stand.

Ex: probably town but lynch it anyway. That's AP's posts on Starbucks atm.

I believe you made Angry Frat BROS go all caps locks too. And that's now two too many times it's happened please stop.

[Kaboose]

Everyone be aware that Kaboose is going through a difficult time atm, he's went off the reservation since I owned him in our last game. & he's had a meltdown in our current game on FF. I saw he blew up at someone on here the other day, don't take it personally. & handle with care.

Titus we don't have to worry about him, if he's scum, I'll know.

All the stuff he said about me, he's still sulking. Pay no attention anyone.

ily Kaboose x

"My way or the highway"

Seriously though, who got to the dead thread first in that game?

[Kaboose]

It is the best analogy ever posted in a mafia game.
Also I don't feel the need to give you my reads, as I don't particularely think you're town either :3

Would you give me your reads?

[Kaboose]

sketch
sketch sketch SKEEEEEEEEEEEETCH

Well you said you wouldn't give them to possumbear so I thought maybe you'd give them to me?

[Kaboose]

I'm pretty sure no town players give a fuck about my thoughts

Is that because you're scum, and by default town members wouldn't give a fuck about your thoughts?

[Kaboose]

No worries everyone, we've got a whole 6+ days to continue all this awesome debate.

[Kaboose]

Pine can you unvote your unvote? Please be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem.

[Kaboose]

No. Future votes will be my own choice. Make the case if you want me to vote for your wagon

My case is this game can not advance any farther. We can not learn anything else until a lynch is met. We need a death, we need information as a town to continue. Right now we all know one thing, our own alignment. It is PAST time we find out for sure someone else's.

[Kaboose]

Oh, well then let's vote no lynch?

I certainly don't want any town power roles to die, but I'm also someone capable of seeing things realistically. Who in the blue hell is going to want to join a game 90 pages deep with 28 people alive?

[Kaboose]

Why would your immediate reaction be to no lynch? How about you move your vote to an equally viable candidate who is actually playing.

People replace into games like this all the time.

Can you lead a wagon and promise me someone will be lynched in 6 days?

[Kaboose]

Titus could just be derpy - why not join me on Triforce, Pine?

Stop the dumb.

[Kaboose]

Man you all let me down every time I come back and a lynch still hasn't been reached.

[Kaboose]

VOTE: TSO

I'm avoiding leading wagons so I can come in later and LOL hammer

Not if I do it first!

[Kaboose]

This is intent to hammer on the first wagon taken to L-1

[Kaboose]

I am somewhat suspicious of mastin and etl though, I've done the square root of fuck all so why should I get a free pass from them

Dimples?

[Kaboose]

我不懂你啥意思

I'm giving you a public warning for posting in a foreign language.

If I can't understand it,

it's against the rules.

I used google translate and the bolded is wonderfully ironic

lol yeah I just saw that it means "I don't understand." so the fact the MOD couldn't understand it, does that mean he does understand it and now the warning is revoked?

[Kaboose]

Triforce is the only thing happening today, get on it.

I'm avoiding leading wagons so I can come in later and LOL hammer

Triforce is prob going but I want to lolhammer

this is fair warning that triforce should claim at L-2 as if he hits L-1 I'm going to annihilate him.

You better be quicker than me at hammering.

[Kaboose]

I'm going to bed, please let me wake to this lynch having happened.

UNVOTE: Starbucks

VOTE: Triforce

[Kaboose]

Kaboose is still scum.

TWIE might be scum.

You're wrong about me.

VOTE: Kaboose

No, stop. Seriously. Go lynch scum or something.

i hate multiball

i'm sheeping ceph today. until jingle yells at me to do something else.

VOTE: kaboose

You stop it too!

edit: You unvoted, good.

VOTE: impossibear

really Guyett...

Who wants to bet Guy and Bear are scum with me?

I might be the most obvious town in the history of towning towns btw

@displaced: yeah probably

Does this mean you're confirmed town? If so where and how are you confirmed? Oh, this is just your own opinion that you're trying to pass as a fact or something? How about you stop. You can be town when a) the mod confirms you, b) you find a more clever way to confirm it than by saying it.

Etl knows when I'm town or scum. For her to push me means she's trying to mislynch me.

We both know this is a complete lie. I don't believe this for one second. I've been in a game where she was so far off base on her read for you that it made me think you were scum together. She was town. You were scum. Now you're trying to play this game? I don't like it anymore.

Srsly.

VOTE: guyett and I will happily shift this vote to bear if the town so chooses.

[Kaboose]

VOTE: impossibear

really Guyett...

Who wants to bet Guy and Bear are scum with me?

Can I bet against that? I'll be rich

Etl knows when I'm town or scum. For her to push me means she's trying to mislynch me.

We both know this is a complete lie. I don't believe this for one second. I've been in a game where she was so far off base on her read for you that it made me think you were scum together. She was town. You were scum. Now you're trying to play this game? I don't like it anymore.

Srsly.

VOTE: guyett and I will happily shift this vote to bear if the town so chooses.

that FF game is an exception, if it was played here she'd have caught me. At the ebd of the day Kab I had you as town from stuff day 1. my claim is so pro town you need to step the fuck back, I am town without having to obv town here.

Why don't you back the step fuck? You're both a team. Don't tell me what does or doesn't count. It was a game of mafia just like this. If you were a book written in English that game she was trying to read it in Greek. Now here you are trying to pass that along again. Because if I remember, you both played off of it in that game as well. Trying to convince everyone that you knew each other so well that what you said had to be right. I don't buy it.

[Kaboose]

Because I really don't like how they're trying to have this discussion again, that I've seen, where they claim to know each others alignment from the get go.

[Kaboose]

No, but they've done this before where they have this discussion and all it is is "He can read me lolol" "she can read me lolol" and I'm just thinking it's fishy. Unless someone can show me that they do this in every game they play together, I'm convinced something fishy is afoot.

[Kaboose]

Town without question

{Angry Frat BROs, Hostile Intent}

Pretty sure town

{mastin, Guyett, Kaboose, Nobody Special, theamatuer, Cephrir}

Sometimes I think town and other times I don't know

{MonkeyMan, Om, PeaceBringer, TriforceP}

Null

{displaced, FormerFish, PV, Pine, Vezok, Yiley}

Null-scum

{aneninen, TWIE, Nero Cain, dramonic, TSO}

Scum

{Belisarius, Starbucks, AA9}

With Deux in the "

Don't fucking care, just make them dead

" category.

This is pretty much the last reads list I had discussed with Jingle before V/LA (he is still btw). I've moved you and AA9 where you belong.

The middle three categories (dunno, null, nullscum) are somewhat interchangeable as my reads there fluctuate based on what they post - sometimes up sometimes down - but haven't settled anywhere satisfying yet.

But there's so many people left...

Spoiler: gut read time

Aneninen - would lynch for selfish reasons really. His posts are hard to read/follow. I literally have no read here whatsoever. But I don’t feel like sheeping people I think are scummy.

Angry Frat BROs (hydra of AngryPidgeon and BROseidon) - yeah sure town. somebody check him for god's sake. This should be a n1 mandatory target for investigation.

ArcAngel9 - still scum. Would lynch.

Belisarius - I don’t know anymore. Still leaning scum but my heart's not as in it as it was before.

Cephrir replaces JerryArr - town

displaced replaces diginova - scum. Pretty much all of today's posts deserve lynching.

Dramonic - I don’t know.

Formerfish - I don’t know.

Guyett - town and I don’t know. Town because he's never once not ever not fucking ever planned his fake claim ahead of time like fucking ever. And to crumb it like that on top of everything. I remember him crumbing something before. I cant remember the game. He was town in it though. That’s the only time I've seen him crumb anything. Because that’s the only time he bothers. But BEYOND THAT? Every post sounds fake as shit and ridiculous.

Hostile Intent - town

Impossibear (hydra of Jingle and EspeciallyTheLies) - obvscum obvs

Kaboose - scum

mastin2 - could be scum. Buddying the fuck out of me like that is just wow. Okay. In sabo we were both town and synced up early, even though we still disagreed on some stuff, and were both wrong on many things. she wasn't all the way up my ass like she is here. It's uncomfortable.

MonkeyMan576 - wat is this slot

Nero Cain - he seems scummy to me but I honestly have no reason to say why

Nobody Special - mehtown

Om of the Nom replaces Om Eye Gosh (hydra of Om of the Nom and eyestott) - where did these people go?

PeaceBringer - I dunno

Pine - I dunno

StarbucksLovers replaces kdowns - still scum, would lynch.

Theamatuer - town. I like that he's trying to be helpful. He pretty clearly didn't feel comfortable offering analysis with so many big names in this game, but someone asked for color coded VCs and he felt he could do that and so he did. Good for him. I like him.

TheWayItEnds - I dunno. I wanna lynch it though.

vezokpiraka replaces Zombehs - I wanna lynch this too.

i am thinking the best way for me to go about this is to just run after my strongest scum reads rather than trying to find who is scum hunting because apparently everyone is scumhunting and that fucks up my townreads.

I HATE MULTIBALL OK. SC. I HATE MULTIBALL.

Lynch these

anen
aa9
displaced
kaboose
starbucks
twie
vezok

maybe lynch

mastin
nero
beli

lolol "he thinks i'm scum so he's now scum lynch him!" fuck off here yeah?

[Kaboose]

You had me as town until I read you and guyett as a team. Now I'm scum for thinking you're scum. That is your thought process.

[Kaboose]

You had me as town until I read you and guyett as a team. Now I'm scum for thinking you're scum. That is your thought process.

lol no...?

i think you're scum because you have done fuck all the entire game kaboose and that is not how you play. i mean, even now, you pop in when you see a scumread on you and have fucking shit to say about anything else? no reads? no updated ideas? no comments on the lynch flip or the night kills? no analysis? no actual critical thinking or results thereof? cmon now.

the fact that you are trying to create the idea that guyett and i are a team when he is saying i'm scum is just lolnonsense that you've added as garnish.

So you were able to read me as town while I was doing "fuck all the ENTIRE game" earlier. But now since i've called you out on something, it's different, than earlier in the ENTIRE game?

[Kaboose]

Still what you said makes no sense. I've been doing fuck all the ENTIRE game. YOU said that. But I was town read D1. I've apparently continued on doing the same thing, and now I'm scum. So if nothing has changed, how has it changed?

[Kaboose]

Wait I thought you were scum reading Guyett? But you won't vote him?

[Kaboose]

Wait I thought you were scum reading Guyett? But you won't vote him?

I am not scum reading him.

are you even reading the game or just looking for stuff you can use to lynch someone?

Then why is he claiming you're scum trying to mislynch him?

[Kaboose]

Etl knows when I'm town or scum. For her to push me means she's trying to mislynch me.

Why does he think you're trying to mislynch him then?

[Kaboose]

What's the chance that PeregrineV isn't even dead? Like they're just arrested.. We don't know how long they were sentenced to jail for. Was anyone arrested in the last game? Should I just move on assuming they were killed or is there a possibility they're just detained for now?

Also why is everyone saying it's a SK, can it not be a 3rd faction?

[Kaboose]

you are essentially trying to BoP AP right now

I have no idea what "BoP" means.

Maybe?

[Kaboose]

Ben wood was a midnight racer. Why would someone aligned to midnight racers be a miller flavour wise? If she wanted all gangs gone she could be serial killer?
Also wasnt hostile intents character killed in las vegas?

So is this a real actual thing? Midnight Racers? This isn't just something this site made up?

Also didn't Anen say he lost his kill if he claimed? Hasn't he claimed? How is he still going to kill? Let me go quote that.. I'm pretty sure I read that.

[Kaboose]

OmNom:

Vengeful

Miller. Which means, if I claim I lose the possibility to use my Kill.

So did he lose it or is he just saying he's lost the possibility to choose it himself?

[Kaboose]

I didn't get a chance to bring it up at the end of day 2 as I was out and Anen was turbolynched but hostile intent's claimed character was killed in Las Vegas, why would he be in London?

Like I said is this Midnight Racers thing real? Is it a TV show or something? Is there a chance London happened before Vegas?

Wait I just googled Midnight Racers, is this all based on a video game?

Also the fact that we're still alive means I've been hella off and mastin/guyett are probably scum.

Is this ETL?

my large game play is pretty bad it seems so whoops but yea im town man u can either trust me or not
but you should get on mastin anyway bae

I've got a slight problem, you're town reading me. Mastin is town reading me, so why are you scum reading Mastin? How does that work? I mean, I guess it could work, but I'm just curious why you don't like Mastin. You two are the only two town reading me, but you think Mastin is scum?

I'm voting Om for saying "frickle"

That drives me into a homicidal rage.

My actual scumreads are Impossibear, Guyett, and now (because of Guyett) Hostile Intent.

Clearly Guyett and HI aren't a team, but Guyett's probably a SK, so that's hardly a stunning revelation

I still think Guyett and Bear are a scum team. Just the constant, "he's scum!" which means Guyett can say "Well she knows how to read me, I'm town, and if that's the case she's trying to mislynch me, so she's scum." which lead to her being all like "Oh guyett you're so town <3" or something, and now I think it's back to her suspecting him as scum because he's still alive. So my whole opinion is, they both know each other well enough apparently that I don't see why they have to announce their reads on each other. If you told me only one was scum, I'm picking Bear to be scum the most.

[Kaboose]

i'm sorry I read that wrong, she's scum reading him because she's still alive. Which almost makes no sense if he really is the commuter because he's not around to kill anyone anyways.

So ETL/Bear whatever, do you think you're still alive because Guyett is scum and he's keeping you around? Because if you were strong on him for being scum for a bit, and now back to it, wouldn't you expect him to have NK'd you by now?

[Kaboose]

Don't stop me from trying to figure it out. I want to know the reasons it's okay for you to go back and forth on his alignment based on where he puts a period or a comma.

[Kaboose]

i'm sorry I read that wrong, she's scum reading him because she's still alive.

BZZT.

wrong again.

That's not what you said in 3180?

[Kaboose]

So help me again Bear, Mastin is scum read by Guyett when Guyett is scum 100% of the time? So if Guyett is town, you could trust his read on Mastin. You think Guyett is scum, so you can't trust his read on Mastin because Guyett will tell you Mastin is scum because you think Guyett is scum.

So you can't trust his one read on one player when he is scum, but you can trust his reads on all the others even though he is scum?

[Kaboose]

VOTE: Nero

Because I like the people who are voting that slot.

[Kaboose]

VOTE: Nero

Because I like the people who are voting that slot.

WTF is this?

vote kaboose

Oh no..

[Kaboose]

Oh you guys are so silly

[Kaboose]

I could buy a scum Kabose hopping on my mislynch and using reasoning to "blend in"

You don't have enough money, it's also not for sale.

UNVOTE: nero

Actually here comes a curve ball.

VOTE: mastin

There's no reason to town read me, so why are you town reading me? Let's lynch Mastin.

[Kaboose]

Why is Hostile Intent more town?

Because of the botched fakeclaim, naturally.

Why is Monkeyman so town?

This one takes a bit of explaining, and I'm not sure I have the time. The basic version, though, is that he's got solid reads, good content, good reasoning, and if Aneninen flips bluescum, played a significant part in the lynches of both scum factions thus belongs to neither.

Why did Nobody Special move up a category?

Because I'm almost positive this is his townplay. Paired with Nero's bad push there (see also, scumreading him), and I think that NS is town.

Why is Kaboose so high?

Admittedly, there's been a fair amount to not like about Kaboose, but I caught some much stronger things TO like. No time to explain, though.

Why is AFB where they are?

Well, top category's my conftown pile, and this category's "very heavily town". That's where AP belongs overall given his content.

Why did Om go up so much?

Because I really, really think Om is town, but there's niggles of doubt and paranoia keeping me from upgrading the read to conftown. His posting just doesn't seem like multiball scumposting.

Rest're mostly the same, more or less. They may or may not be accurate, but should suffice for now.

I could buy a scum Kabose hopping on my mislynch and using reasoning to "blend in"

You don't have enough money, it's also not for sale.

UNVOTE: nero

Actually here comes a curve ball.

VOTE: mastin

There's no reason to town read me, so why are you town reading me? Let's lynch Mastin.

Are you deliberately acting like your own scumreads to make a point or something?

Because I'm pretty sure you did it to Nero and you were scumreading Guy for that whole thing, which you are now co-opting and trying to scumread mastin for it?

[Kaboose]

Are we serious right now? Ugh. Let me try this again.

[Kaboose]

Because I'm pretty sure you did it to Nero and you were scumreading Guy for that whole thing, which you are now co-opting and trying to scumread mastin for it?

Why is Kaboose so high?

Admittedly, there's been a fair amount to not like about Kaboose, but I caught some much stronger things TO like. No time to explain, though.

It makes no sense, I am looking at his explanation and defense of me as "Nah let's not lynch him, I need him aaround to mislynch in LyLo or if things get heated for me."

[Kaboose]

Why was I the only one to come under fire for voting Nero Cain?

[Kaboose]

Dammit, Guyett isn't happening today, is it?

Down the path of least resistance go I, then.

UNVOTE: [/vote]
VOTE: Hostile Intent

Srsly?

[Kaboose]

Kaboose is still incredibly scum.

Move your buts over here.

[Kaboose]

Kaboose is still incredibly scum.

Move your buts over here.

I think they both are. Kill one then the next

Who is they?

[Kaboose]

Who you want lynched? MonkeyMan?

[Kaboose]

I'm less than they though. They needs another person included to be correctly labeled 'they'.

[Kaboose]

What's the case for starbucks town?

[Kaboose]

Why did you lie about being Vig?

[Kaboose]

because then the vig would have been obligated to shoot me.

its very cut and dry.

I actually think he still has too.

So you wanted to be shot?

Do you care if you're lynched?

[Kaboose]

Is that a yes? Or a no?

[Kaboose]

UNVOTE: mastin
VOTE: monkey

[Kaboose]

This is intent to hammer Starbucks.

[Kaboose]

UNVOTE: monkey
VOTE: Starbucks

[Kaboose]

Pretty much Taylor Swift. GTFO.

[Kaboose]

VOTE: Guyett

[Kaboose]

Not that I really care, but why did you vote me Guyett? Also why did you blow up like that?

[Kaboose]

Why am I scum Guy?

[Kaboose]

Fuck, guys. If scum have (basically) a majority, then we're pretty boned unless they cross-kill the fuck out of each other, right? I mean, even if we lynch say blue scum today, if the NKs keep going the way they're going its a scum win of one flavor or another in a couple more phases. That fucking sucks.

That said, I'm absolutely uncomfortable voting anywhere right now.

Well that's not a good strategy to vote anywhere...

[Kaboose]

I wanted Amateur lynched on D1, happy to go along with this.

VOTE: the amateur

[Kaboose]

Are we sure amatuer is blue-scum? Because that's the plan today. We need blue scum.

We can at the very least check and see if there are possible associative tells with flipped red scum.

So you didn't really care if he was red or blue, you just wanted to act like it?

[Kaboose]

TWIE, would you be willing to lynch Pine?

[Kaboose]

probably not

Why not?

[Kaboose]

There are 7 people left.

We're in LyLo.

There have been 3 red scum deaths, and there is still 1 left somewhere if you recall the flip from D1 that was an accident, that person hasn't been killed yet. So game started with 4 red scum.

There are 3 blue scum left, as I can't imagine there being a different number of blue to red.

If we don't lynch blue scum today game is over. Blue scum win.

So we need people to declare intent to vote because Blue scum can win the game if anyone votes wrong.

[Kaboose]

Still getting a Belisarius scum read

I could almost agree with this. I finished a game with him not but a couple days ago and he was acting so scummy, and flipped town. Now he's acting so townie I'm wondering if he won't flip scum.

This was a soft push from his teammate, and I had a good hunch on Beli for being scum back waaaay long ago.

I also have the same hunch on Pine.

[Kaboose]

Fuck, I totally thought FF was non-red scum.

I think we'll hit non-red in {AA9, Peacebringer, Kaboose}. I think they're all scummy and I don't (on a skim) see any associatives with the flipped red scum.

So are you going to playing today, TWIE?

I love those () there to cover your butt, really nice touch!

[Kaboose]

Why am I red scum?

[Kaboose]

I think red is a good color on you but what color scum are you?

Green.

Are you implying I haven't been playing?

Just yesterday, man. I still think you're town but all you did was "no" everything without giving a single alternative.

What do you think of peacebringer?

Nero, if it's all the same to you I have a stronger scum-read on AA9. But as of right now I'll follow your lead.

Kaboose's response to being called red makes my voting finger itch too, though.

This is blue scum, because of just wanting to vote AA9 for being a scum-read when we need blue scum today.

Pine and Hostile Intent are 2 of the 3 blue scum.

Who is the third? Anyone want to play the good guy here and confess thy sins?

[Kaboose]

Kaboose-red scum
Nero Cain-town
Pine-town
TheWayItEnds/Hostile Intent-one of these two are town
ArcAngel9-blue scum
PeaceBringer-blue scum

vote:peace

I get guilty/not guilty

Oh and Peace is the third because the game isn't over yet. Cool.

[Kaboose]

Here's another thought... 3 kills last night, missing red kill according to TWIE's, and how often are SK's BP?

Could there be two SKs?

[Kaboose]

So Kaboose, how do you know for a fact red scum's kill is missing?

Is it the same reason you freaked out over being called red scum?

(Rhetorical questions.)

Because of the D1 flip that had the wrong flavour for the person who was lynched. There is a red scum still out there because that person is not dead. TWIE said there was a missing kill from red right after I said there was still a red out there.

[Kaboose]

lol shut up blue scum.

[Kaboose]

on who?

[Kaboose]

Yeah I really didn't pay any attention to anything until this day started. Not even joking or being sarcastic.

[Kaboose]

okay so let's just do this and see how it goes, yeah?

I'm Madison Reid the BP red scum that accidentally flipped D1. Last night I took a shot at Pine.

Pine is still alive.

My BP is only good as long as Blue Scum are shooting at me. Because of this I assume Blue Scum have the same role that stops Red Scum from shooting them.

This is why I'm positive Pine is Blue Scum.

We can't lynch me today because Blue will most likely win. So we lynch Pine because I can't kill him.

I personally would like to shoot HI tonight. I'm open to suggestions though.

[Kaboose]

yeah you idiot it was a scumclaim. I just said I was redscum.

[Kaboose]

VOTE: pine

[Kaboose]

So why are you still alive VT? I took a shot at you and you managed to still post today.

Was your role PM "Superman VT"?

[Kaboose]

Nero saying Pine is a townie does not make sense.

The only thing that makes sense is that there were three kills last night, and one wasn't mine because I targeted Pine. What would make sense is if Pine is a BP SK. That's the only thing I'll accept.

[Kaboose]

No. It makes perfect sense. Because my only way of winning is ensuring a blue scum lynch today. Otherwise I lose. I'm also always town at heart, so I'd rather town win than another scum team if I can't win. My play ensures I don't lose at this lynch. I know I tried to shoot you, I asked the mod very nicely to do it. you survived. You're the BP Blue Scum. Sorry. I didn't give you the role pm, blame the mod.

[Kaboose]

Here is how I'm viewing the current game state.

VOTE COUNT

ArcAngel9 (1): Hostile Intent

If AA were town, and HI were town, we'd have a quick lynch here already from the three blue scum. So someone on this is blue scum.

Kaboose (1): Pine

I know I'm red scum, and the fact I'm not lynched yet tells me Pine is blue scum because if he was town like he is claiming I'd be quick lynched already.

Nero Cain (1): PeaceBringer

Same thing as the AA wagon. If NC and PB were town, quick lynch right here. Someone here is blue scum.

Pine (1): Kaboose

This also tells me Pine is not town because the three remaining blue scum could have already quick lynched here.

Peacebringer (1): Nero Cain

See NC's wagon.

Not voting (2): ArcAngel9, TheWayItEnds

With

7

players alive, it takes

4

votes to lynch a player.

Day 6 ends in (expired on 2015-02-27 16:05:42).

ArcAngel can't be quick lynched right now because he has a blue scum voting him not myself or a townie.
I can't be quick lynched because I also have a blue scum voting me and not a townie.
Nero Cain won't be quick lynched because he's blue scum.
Pine won't be quick lynched because he's blue scum.
Peacebringer can't be quick lynched because he has a blue scum voting him not myself or a townie.

Funny little problem blue scum have.

My biggest tell is that I know based on the fact I'm not dead, and Pine isn't dead that Pine is blue scum. If NC got a innocent on Pine that tells me NC is also blue scum with a fake claim of cop or whatever, i don't know i really just started paying attention. With that in mind, it tells me PeaceBringer is town, because there's no reason to bus a partner this close to a blue scum victory.

The reason I think HI is the final scum is because if it were AA, I'd almost bet there'd be a cross vote there to do the same thing that NC is trying which is to create as many wagons as possible in hopes someone jumps on the wrong one and essentially end the game.

[Kaboose]

lol shut up blue scum. srsly.

[Kaboose]

I mean your vote makes a lot of sense, yeah? You claim the person you were voting for is blue scum, so unvote them to vote another blue scum. When actually you just want to encourage that one little misvote that pretty much clinches this game for blue scum.

[Kaboose]

Pine is being all silly thinking that I'm scum.

What Kaboose did is the EXACT same thing that Pine did as wolfscum. Kaboose is bluescum and PB is his buddy.


Kaboose-blue
PeaceBringer-blue

leaving the last 3 scum in

ArcAngel9
Hostile Intent
TheWayItEnds

I solved the game. Gimmie a cookie SC.

vote:Kaboose

How is solving the game giving a list of players and saying 1 of them is scum? You'll get no cookie. Liar.

[Kaboose]

Wait so you think there's 5 scum?

[Kaboose]

I'm so confused by your post from all the misinformation it has in it that my head hurts.

[Kaboose]

My shot on pine missed or was blocked or something. Three kills happened. I assume your blue team did one of them. So there is potentially another killing role. Either two SKs, or a SK and a vig. or something I don't know. All I know is Pine isn't dead, because pine is blue scum. If Pine is blue scum, and you claimed he was an innocent you're blue scum as well. HI is your buddy. I get the fucking cookie.

[Kaboose]

Outing blue scum is not against my win condition. Letting someone who isn't blue scum be lynched is against my win condition.

I'm red scum, and you will only lynch me if you are over this game and want it to end.

If you're not blue scum still want to try and win, you'll lynch pine to get rid of a blue scum.

[Kaboose]

lol at my wagon right now, i know all three are blue scum because I'm still alive.

7 people left in the game.

3 blue scum. 1 red scum. 3 something else.

We need a blue lynch scum today or blue scum wins.

But Blue Scum Kaboose tried to fakeclaim the last remaining BP red scum slot that blue scum can't touch except for a lynch to get a mislynch for blue scum. So right now the real BP red scum could counter claim me or maybe even hammer and ensure a blue scum lynch according to pine, nero cain, and hostile intent.

My claim as BP red scum is simple. I know we need blue scum. I know I shot at pine last night and he survived. I now know that since I'm at L-1 that pine is blue scum because there would be a hammer right now for the win. This same math tells me that HI and NC are blue scum because this game would be over and the remaining 3 people who haven't voted me all know they're not blue scum because they'd already be voting me to win. Also I know by claiming my BP red scum role it means that no one wants to lynch me, or even NK me because if we lynch blue scum today, and don't NK them too then we'll be just as fucked starting the next day as there will probably be at least 1 death over night leaving us with 5 people, 2 blue scum. I know blue scum can't kill me, so at best for my win condition we lynch pine, go to night. blue kill someone, a SK kills someone, i kill a blue, and maybe one more death? We start the next day with like 2 people and i'm one of them for the draw because that's all i can do at this point. I'm not playing against my win condition because I can't win anymore. I'm playing for a draw with someone... That's my strategy. Which probably for sure means i'll be killed at night because people will think they can win, but really we need blue's killed ASAP if anyone wants to win other than them.

[Kaboose]

wow PB so you were blue scum?

[Kaboose]

or PB is the SK and knows who to kill at night

[Kaboose]

pretty sure Blue scum are winning. Good job NC, Pine, and HI, pretty impressive to have so many kills every night and not have to worry about a death until N5.

[Kaboose]

I know a scum claim was a weird thing to do, but i legit knew it was my only chance to win because I for sure took a shot at Pine last night and I'm for sure he's blue scum or I guess a BP SK but more likely he'll be the blue scum version of my flip. I hope town can still win. I was playing for a draw because my math was showing me that's the best result I could get.

[Kaboose]

Outing blue scum is not against my win condition. Letting someone who isn't blue scum be lynched is against my win condition.

I'm red scum, and you will only lynch me if you are over this game and want it to end.

If you're not blue scum still want to try and win, you'll lynch pine to get rid of a blue scum.

well as town I want to see a killer removed and hope that killing happens and I can some how survive for a town win.

Vote Kaboose.

[Kaboose]

That is such a scummy post. If you were town, you'd know with 7 left, 3 of them blue scum that you can't just hope to survive for a town win. There were 4 total scum at the point of this post, and at least one SK. How is town winning that when you know of the final three not blue scum, one will most definitely be shot by blue scum tonight? You either just lost this game for town, or won it for bs.

[Kaboose]

Hey bro, unless you're not counting because you don't care... There will still be 3 kills tonight lololol

[Kaboose]

Which is exactly why you needed blue scum killed today. But what do I know? What do I care? Game. Is. Over.

[Kaboose]

lol man there were 3 kills last night without my kill on pine. I've told you all this a few times already.

[Kaboose]

I'll flip red, then everyone will start to wonder why pine is still alive. I shot him N5, he is alive D6. He's blue scum.

[Kaboose]

Nero why the fuck would you vote for claimed red scum.

This.

Bitched about it in the dead thread already, but this game is an example of why multi ball is dumb. Town lost because red scum and Nero Cain played poorly.

lmfao you're an idiot.

Town lost because 2 of the 3 opposing factions to them played poorly.

So what would have happened if we played better? lmao get out of here. Quit blaming this on us.

[Kaboose]

Yeah, I'll concede that the pile-on onto Kaboose could have been more orderly. 3:2:1 isn't an auto-win, we needed to survive the night. That's why I was making such a big deal about how claiming redscum COULDN'T come from actual redscum, I was hoping people would use that as a reasoned and orderly excuse to lynch him as supposed bluescum

As an aside...Kaboose, what were you thinking? My assertion wasn't based in bias, I was in your position in NY 178. By claiming, you guaranteed you wouldn't be allowed to survive endgame. As the last representative of your team, that's tantamount to suicide

I knew you all couldn't kill me, and I thought the SK didn't want to kill me. Because we had to get rid of blue scum. Also note I didn't know at that time I claimed that SK was full BP forever... So my hope was:

3 - bs
1 - rs
1 - sk
2 - town

Get pine lynched.

2 - bs
1 - rs
1 - sk
2 - town

I was going to shoot HI if I made it through the day. Blue would take out SK for me. SK would take out a townie attempting to go for BS.

1 - bs
1 - rs
1 - town

Pretty much here would have hoped town knew they lost, would appreciate that I was able to claim scum and make it to another LyLo and would have voted the BS and gave me the win since they knew they couldn't win.

I was pretty much hoping against hope, but it was my only play. Blue scum had to die that day and the night phase had to go exactly a certain way. I also knew the first wrong vote the game was over. Didn't want to risk it so I just played my hand.

[Kaboose]

I just stopped believing.