(Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia 2 [Over]

[Nobody Special]

I like bananas

<<< I'm more of an Orange person, myself. >>>

[Nobody Special]

VOTE: Wisdom

[Nobody Special]

VOTE: Wisdom

You can do better. D-
VOTE: Nobody Special
Also, didn't you say somewhere you don't do RVS?

Only in Newbie games. Everything else is fair game.


Hello, everyone!

I am, indeed, in this game (not that you'd notice). I got waylaid by some nefarious busy-ness both onsite and in RealityLand, and I'm actually on page 3 of this thread. (Well, you can see, by the post I quoted, where I am.)

There's about 29 pages of stuff that I have no idea about.

Someone hit the highlights; I'll be double-reading (old+new) until I'm totally caught up.

Expect responses (if needed) and questions from long, long ago as I read......

[Nobody Special]

Save this for postgame if desired, but can someone explain to me why Mafia Lawyer was such a mistake?

And I'm up to page 8!

<<< Because the proper rolename would've been 'tailor', not 'lawyer'.
Thus, mistake. >>>

[Nobody Special]

No. Communist is not an alignment.

How do you know this to be true?

[Nobody Special]

No. Communist is not an alignment.

How do you know this to be true?

Dude really? Town and scum are alignments. Communist is flavor assuming arguendo it is a scum faction.

I have known games to have other alignments than just "Town" and "Mafia."

I could conceivably see a game with Town and, say, Communists and/or Fascists. (Just as there could be a game with Town and Werewolves.)

I'm just saying, you specifying that "Communist is not an alignment" is tantamount to you claiming knowledge of the scum faction(s) in this game.

[Nobody Special]

Why would that imply a quicktopic.

Because Quicktopic uses HTML as opposed to bbcode.

[Nobody Special]

unvote

Vote: Titus

[Nobody Special]

Are you not reading the thread, or can you not string together three thoughts on the very same page?

[Nobody Special]

tammy: bulba and eddie are IRL friends. do things make a bit more sense now?

or

[tammy, bulba and eddie] are IRL friends. do things make a bit more sense now?

Which way should I be reading this?

[Nobody Special]

You might need to explain that one.

his post gave me town-jackel vibes

[Nobody Special]

I am about 7-8 pages behind; hope to be caught up today.

Why did Klingon claim?

[Nobody Special]

Twelve pages behind; confident that I can catch up fully tomorrow and contribute better.

[Nobody Special]

unvote

Vote: ArcAngel9

[Nobody Special]

AA9: I never derp.

Titus: Please give me your feelings about AA9 and shos. Thanks!

[Nobody Special]

And you wonder why I'm voting you.

[Nobody Special]

What about one well-reasoned vote, four unreasoned votes, two scumvotes, and a puppy?

[Nobody Special]

Giving Bulba time to catch up before I put the coals to him seeing as how he's only on page 22.

Okay, I know I said I was going to give you space, but this is incredibly scummy. You know what my schedule looks like. You know that I go LA starting from around 8pm on Friday, when I start preparing for my First Impressions stream, until first thing Monday. You know that weekends are incredibly busy for me. Heck, you know what my schedule looks like on Saturday, with all day D&D, because you're freaking there, Eddie! You also know that I like to perform checks and updates on Sunday, and that it takes up most of my day. So for you to come into this thread and say that you don't understand how I'm on page freaking 22 on a game that gained 20 pages over the weekend is incredibly scummy and only meant to make you look good and to discredit me. You better push through a lynch quickly, Eddie, and then kill me during the night, because when I get back, I'm going to make sure that you hang.

I want to wait until bulba fully catches up before weighing it with our own.

Stop waiting. Eddie's conf. scum. Lynch him.

Okay.

I'm not entirely sure how I feel about this, so.

It is apparent that there are some RL circumstances affecting this interaction, with regard to availability, scheduling, etc.

But the thing is, your answer to Eddie here is a vast overreaction to my reading of Eddie's comment. He said he was giving you time to catch up. Then you promptly jump all over him for...... giving you time to catch up?

I just don't get it.

My current read given this interaction is Bulb, scum; Eddie, town.

[Nobody Special]

Umm no, mods don't disclose that. It's a bastard, jesters are fair game.

I would consider jester an alignment change.

This makes no sense. At all. Whatsoever. In

any

universe.

[Nobody Special]

Blizzard: I can't really defend my lack of activity here, as it would entail discussion of ongoing games.

Suffice to say, both on and offline, I've been incredibly busy. It's eased up a little for now, so I can contribute more here.

[Nobody Special]

He's saying that while shos may not look scummy

now,

shos has the

potential

to look/act/be/ scummy later.

That's what I get from it. (Not that I agree.)

[Nobody Special]

I will abandon my ArcAngel vote in order to lynch another actual scum..... for now.

unvote

Vote: shos

For a

very

brief second, it crossed my mind that shos was

trying

to get modkilled. But that's not the shos I know, so.

[Nobody Special]

unvote

mollie, until you start writing in complete words, I refuse to read your crap. Also, stop getting all pissed off at people. It's not pretty.

I'm finally caught up, but too many conflicting viewpoints for me to settle on one. I'm going to iso a few people and decide over the weekend.

[Nobody Special]

Okay, so.

I hate the idea of a 4p neighborhood, and I doubt very much they're all town.

I don't like FI3s attitude. I also don't care for Muffin's attitude.

shos is being less attitudey, but I cannot read him at all.

I can't recall the fourth neighbor.

I don't want to vote TF at this moment.

[Nobody Special]

[Nobody Special]

Hi, on a sudden V/LA, am reading as I can and will post when able.

[Nobody Special]

I admit (with shame) that I am waaay behind on reading.

I'm going to assume that Awesome has claimed town vig. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Nobody Special]

shos has a guilty on us, as he should. shos is sane.

???

[Nobody Special]

awesome is miller, NS

That seems vaguely familiar. I really should go and catch up.

[Nobody Special]

Are one or both of you drinking?

<<< Nobody's sober in mafia.

Nobody

. >>>

[Nobody Special]

Please explain to me how "explaining how someone is scum" is not "making a case."

[Nobody Special]

I'm getting sick of al the attention on me

nobody is diverting attention from ME, titus.

Somehow, these don't make sense to me.

Also, so confused. I'll just sit in the corner and watch, okay?

[Nobody Special]

....together. They don't make sense

together.

[Nobody Special]

If Wisdom believes I am sane, Shos is confscum.

There's no role change so no secret miller.

He is wrong on him being conftown though but a second gf is remote.

The bolded is not internally consistent.

[Nobody Special]

I haven't the time to do an unoffical VC. I'm going to vote shos. I don't know how close to lynch he is. I'll vote in about 3-4 hours, and entertain arguments until then.

[Nobody Special]

If Wisdom believes I am sane, Shos is confscum.

There's no role change so no secret miller.

He is wrong on him being conftown though but a second gf is remote.

The bolded is not internally consistent.

Secret miller would be a withheld role item from the player,

which is forbidden under the "no role change".

We were told about our sanities being questionable, but not miller status... I do not buy it.

Gonna need a citation for this.

[Nobody Special]

If Wisdom believes I am sane, Shos is confscum.

There's no role change so no secret miller.

He is wrong on him being conftown though but a second gf is remote.

The bolded is not internally consistent.

Secret miller would be a withheld role item from the player,

which is forbidden under the "no role change".

We were told about our sanities being questionable, but not miller status... I do not buy it.

Gonna need a citation for this.

Waiting.....

[Nobody Special]

I haven't the time to do an unoffical VC. I'm going to vote shos. I don't know how close to lynch he is. I'll vote in about 3-4 hours, and entertain arguments until then.

VOTE: shos


L-1, someone

please

hammer.

[Nobody Special]

Occam's Razor flies right out the window when you're discussing unbalanced, possibly bastard, mafia games.

Just sayin.

[Nobody Special]

Wait, why are you asking me to claim?

[Nobody Special]

Okay, and I hate to disappoint, but I'm just a Vanilla Townie.

[Nobody Special]

Guille, claim.

Cop has not repeated. I am insabe. Shos was eithrr sane or paranoid. Blizzard is sane or something else.

I question the strength of your connection to reality.

[Nobody Special]

FI3, why do you keep changing your avatar?

[Nobody Special]

Six, Mastina has to edit in the vca numbers to each post for me to proceed on the vca for days two and three.

This is just an excuse. You could easily go by post number, or even insert your own VC numbers and correlate with the post number.

There's some reason you're avoiding doing the VCA. Hmmm, I wonder what will come to light when it's done......

[Nobody Special]

seems unbalanced

(Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia

Do

try to keep up.

[Nobody Special]

Alright.

VOTE: BlizZarD

ika, try not to hemorrhage yourself when hammering.

[Nobody Special]

Hi, sorry for the absence. Reality happened.

I don't have much to say. I am willing to lynch the following: ika, titus, Impossibear.

This game has sapped my sanity. I can't even begin to figure out all the charts and lists and plans and everything that you guys have put here.

[Nobody Special]

@mastin:

When's the deadline?

I know I need to dig in here and read (a LOT) but it's honestly not going to happen until at least Saturday.

[Nobody Special]

@mastin:

When's the deadline?

I know I need to dig in here and read (a LOT) but it's honestly not going to happen until at least Saturday.

Ok. Take your time.

NS is literally always useless. He won't ever catch up.

Please. People change. Look at my recent finished games. I will, this weekend.

One of the things I specifically need to look into is why there is a flip of a player with "Communist" (in red, I think?) and yet people are debating over whether Communist is a faction. (I'm sure it's been discussed and debated, ad nauseam, but I have to find that and read.)

[Nobody Special]

and get rid of KPN

Who/what is KPN?

or we can cut your crap and lync the fucking bear and be done with the damned game

A) If you are town, 'getting done with the game' when you are assured to lose that way is playing against your wincon.

B) Have you claimed?

C) I seem to recall a massclaim (because I remember claiming). Did anyone post a summary?

[Nobody Special]

Titus, have you claimed?

[Nobody Special]

ALSO ^ WAS MOLLIE IN CASE ANY1 WAS WONDERING

Of course I knew it was mollie. How? While ika misspells every single word he types, at

least

he gets 99% of the required letters in there. Unlike you.

Also: Shut up. Shut up shut up SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP.

Seriously, go on V/LA until Monday so I can have a chance to read and post.

[Nobody Special]

i really just do not want to play with titus any longer but at the same time do not want town to lose by having only her presence and not mine, and do not want to make the mod try and find a replacement for this game.
someone please tell me they sympathize with my dilemma.

I totally sympathize.

Do you think Titus is town?

[Nobody Special]

i am also jealous of your hydra dynamic. i admire it and want to learn how to handle things with a hydra partner like that.

Perhaps I'm just old and cranky, but I think their hydra is among the most dysfunctional.

[Nobody Special]

all we have for communists is

Town

Communist Miller

,

beaten to a bloody pulp N1

.

<<< Clarification: The color in Pine's "Communist" flip should be color=black. That is an inconsistency on my end. >>>

I'm really sorry, but I don't understand. Could you perhaps post the flip as it should have been originally? (I'm an extremely visual person.)

[Nobody Special]

Okay, so.

Looks like it's up to Muffin and me.

For the longest time, I've thought both fin and Titus were scum. However, I got to thinking about it, and if that were true then there wouldn't be enough town alive that the game would still be going. Titus is more town than fin, IMO. (I also had a fleeting thought that fin and Titus were on the same team...)

As much as I would love to follow a

very

convoluted plan, -- and at one point, yes, I was

convinced

there were Communists -- I can't honestly leave a claimed scum alive.

VOTE: Impossibear

[Nobody Special]

I did miscount, though. I thought I was putting you at L-1. (I'm very tired.)

[Nobody Special]

I did miscount, though. I thought I was putting you at L-1. (I'm very tired.)

I guess I didn't miscount.

I am going to prove I am town here by hammering this.

What are you waiting for?

[Nobody Special]

Checking in, but I feel useless.

[Nobody Special]

I'm still about 4 pages back. Some things in the interim:

A question: The Tailor role is *always* scum. Yes/no? (I have zero experience with them.)

Anyways the point is I'm starting to think it's unlikely there's a Dictator left, as we haven't seen that kill flavour for days. So either they're

really

unlucky with their shots or they were no-killing (unlikely and sub-optimal play).

Assuming there is no Dictator alive, which faction does the livingscum belong to?

ArcAngel9,

Town

Hippie Cop

, shot night one.
EddieFenix,

Town

Fascist Cop

, silenced night two.
shos,

Town

Cop

, Lynched Day Three.

Given the above, and this:

During the night, I visit a player and the mod sends me a notuce with their alignment. You do not know your sanity.

If we do not trust my result, I can live with that. I feel obligated to out it because I have a guilty.

I think the Unbalanced in this could be my sanity.

Having three faction cops and one full cop of questionable sanity makes sense.

If we are following this logic titus has to be scum or factional cop

My scumread on Titus is reinforced.


More as I read.




For my own reference: NK analysis

[Nobody Special]

#6097, Yes and we've learned nothing since 855. A changing mind based on facts is indicative of town.

#6099, So what, the hippies get 4 players and two kills... ummm no. I am thinking that Impossibear blocked ika on night 2, he claims that scum shot him. Then night 3, his kill hits whoever the doctor healed. If he claims more bullet shots, it looks suspicious. Night 4, Impossibear blocks ika again. He claims another shot was used, but only after extensive prodding.

ika's dictator scum most likely that could not get a shot off with impossibear in the game. That is why they pushed so hard to get them lynched.

This feels remarkably like concocting a scenario to fit given facts and preconceived notions.

[Nobody Special]

2 scums lie within [ns/ank/titus]

NS has been trible cleared by cops and tracker

ank is accounted for

we have been cleared by cop+tracker

that would technically leave you/titus

This makes no sense. If you think there are two scums (i.e. nontown killing roles) then there are, and you can't clear one of them later with no explanation.

Just when I think I'm solidly ready to vote Titus, you come along and do this shit.


Just for everyone's information: if you think I'm scum, lynch me. I will be very happy to be out of this game.

If I am supposedly "triple-cleared" as has been put, stop fucking suggesting I *might be* scum. I'm not, and I think we all know it.

Ank definitely needs to be taken care of, preferably tomorrow, but the lynch for today is either Pirate or Titus.

[Nobody Special]

Muffin claiming miller while being a tailor makes no sense.

1

He would have to be a bus driver.

2

Then, why did he not fuck with the hood checks?

3

1) Why not?
2) I don't get this assumption/implication.
3) WIFOM.

[Nobody Special]

NS, it is in some regards. We are all doing precisely that. We starting from what we know and then filling in what we do not. The assumption if you are scum is either tailor permaparked on yourself or bus driver.
The assumption if I am scum is that I no shot for 3 to 4 nights in a row.
The assumption if ika scum is he was blocked or ran into a doctor each night he claimed bp.
The assumption if muffin is scum is he claims miller to avoid cops and no shot for several nights?

Agree? Disagree?


We know that

One of the four of us must be dictator.
We know something fucks with cop results due to Blizzard.
Muffin claiming miller while being a tailor makes no sense. He would have to be a bus driver. Then, why did he not fuck with the hood checks?

Thus Muffin scum is least likely there.

I agree.

I think it's possible I have confbias on you to be scum. Perhaps I need to reset, as well. I just always read you as scum, and I think it's your brash and in-your-face playstyle. I swore you were scum in SR:L and we see where that got me.

[Nobody Special]

mollie. Are you phoneposting? You know why I'm asking.

[Nobody Special]

At post 6227. Cannot stay awake any longer. See you all tomorrow.

[Nobody Special]

I have just had an epiphany. I need to check a couple things (I'm in the middle of some other urgent stuff at the moment, but shortly I will look at a couple things and potentially vote).

Ankamius, how long will you be online tonight? Muffin?

[Nobody Special]

If you recall, I once raged at you for not fully spelling out words. I was getting irritated about that again, and wondered if it was due to phoneposting.

Since it's not, I'll just hate you silently for being lazy.

Nothing game-related, sorry.

[Nobody Special]

(And I acknowledge that it's more my problem than yours.)

[Nobody Special]

And, sadly, I have stayed up too late again

I must research my epiphany on the morrow.

[Nobody Special]

You shoot other wrong townie. He takes your vest.

Wait, what?

[Nobody Special]

Is this Pirate Ika's first game?

[Nobody Special]

Is this Pirate Ika's first game?

yeah this is our first game in this hydra.

ns plz don't let us lose cos you don't like how I don't spell my words out. that wld be a big giant fuck you to all of the players who put in a lot of effort. if it bugs you that much just don't sign for games that I am.

Please understand, I am able to separate personal annoyances from game-state stuff.

And I am solidly reading your slot as town, based on ::reasons::. I am pretty sure that Titus is scum now, because Muffin ain't.

I'm at that point of teetering on the cliff, afraid to move because OHGODICOULDBEWRONG.

My next task is to focus on who to lynch. The whole "Ank must die for town to win" and "solid desire to lynch Titus" are warring within me at the moment.

If one of PI could concisely summarize those two positions and which is better for town, that's be great. (You, too, Ank. Muffin, if you want, but don't worry about it. Titus, hush.)

[Nobody Special]

Please explain the taking vest comment.

[Nobody Special]

Okay, my confusion was with the ambiguous 'he.'

Now. Why should we not lynch you?

[Nobody Special]

Bear with me here for a moment.

Assumptions:

Ank - SK
Titus - Dictator
PI, Muffin, NS - town

Lynch Ank. Titus kills {Muffin|NS}. Alive = Titus, PI, {Muffin|NS}
PI votes Titus, Titus votes PI, Town votes...... Argh.

(Muffin who would you vote for given {Muffin-Titus-PI} LyLo?)

*****

Same assumptions.

Lynch Titus. Ank kills {?}. Alive = Ank plus two of {NS|Muffin|PI}

Ank's vote is immaterial, the other two (I am relatively sure) would vote Ank, thus winning for Town.


*******

I can't take the chance that Titus will leave me alive, so I have to vote Titus.



Can anyone not!Titus tell me if the above is even-slightly-reality-based?

[Nobody Special]

Okay, here we go.

VOTE: Titus

I'll probably do an unofficial VC later today. If anyone else has time, feel free.

[Nobody Special]

NS, let me be blunt.

Why the fuck do you think I am scum?

That vote is a game throw.

Partly POE, partly that I never read you correctly.

Each team should have equally horrible odds of winning.

(Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia 2 [Day Six!]

Yeah, you're clutching at straws. Stahp, it's unseemly.

[Nobody Special]

I don't know, do you mean busdriving?, you don't get it do you, the "we" in question is not town, I'm lynching you today so there's that, what is this i can't even

[Nobody Special]

I don't even know where to fucking BEGIN on this page.


Alright, let's start.

I don't know, do you mean busdriving?, you don't get it do you, the "we" in question is not town, I'm lynching you today so there's that, what is this i can't even

That makes sense. If you do not understand a bus driver, you cannot realize that happened. Ika and I are both familiar with that role from our old sites. It is a variant of redirector. There's a wiki page for it.

A bus driver takes all actions that target one player and makes them target each other backwards.

So if I cop PI, they bus themselves with town. They look as if they are town when not. All actions taken on one target the other.

It was also in Mini 1549.

Okay, so, you TOTALLY misread my response. Each of the phrases separated by commas was a discrete answer to each of your statements.

I was simply trying to ascertain whether you meant 'bussing' in the scum-bussing-partners sense (which would've been bizarre, because I don't recall PI self-voting) or in the busdriving sense. I am well aware of what a bus driver is, and what they do. I was just trying to suss out what you meant.

[Nobody Special]

I am so confident I am right, if you can prove mods must assign via random assignment, I will self vote and mislynch myself. That is how confident I am that you have lied twice.

I take Moderating

very

seriously. I am looking for something concrete that requires Moderators to randomize roles.... have this for a start:

The moderator is understood to be impartial in administering the game in that they don't try to sway the game to their liking.

This mafia wiki entry, written by our very own zoraster, reinforces the impartiality of a Modeerator in setting up a game.

Then, Vi weighs in:

First, you need to determine who gets what role. Regardless of any promises or cool hypothetical situations you may have made up before now, you need to make the role assignments random. Random.org can do this for you if you like; or you may use this tool, which is specially designed for this purpose. Not doing so will result in mod-side WIFOM - people outguessing your personality to attempt to figure out who you would give your power roles and Mafia cards to, which most of the time is NOT what you want involved in your games. (And if you don't randomize your role assignments, don't tell people as much.)

On the Newbie Moderator page:

YOU MUST USE RANDOM.ORG TO DETERMINE SETUP AND ROLE DISTRIBUTION! Roles/game setup should NEVER be given to players “because they want role X” or "because an all-Vanilla game setup is too boring to Mod".

(Yes, I understand that Newbie games are a far cry from this game, but it's the

principle

that holds, not the application in that situation.)

In summary: It does not seem to be a hard and fast sitewide rule, but more of an unspoken "never do this, fool" type of thing.

mastin's integrity on this site is so unquestionably solid that I will truthfully leave the site if I find out she did this in this game, or any other. Further, I think it is scummy of you to push such an agenda, and slimy. I understand needing to win as scum, but this just smells.

<<< I have not done so in previous games, but as mentioned, in bastard games (this game included), I reserve the right to non-randomness. Whether I used it or not will have to wait until postgame. >>>

Thanks. Now you've got my blood pressure up. I hope is was worth it.

[Nobody Special]

Titus: Since you seem convinced there are two scum left, which faction(s) do they belong to?

[Nobody Special]

Wait... so when you were saying two scums, that included Ank? I somehow thought you meant aside from him. I guess I misinterpreted....?

[Nobody Special]

I am caught up. My vote is not moving.

[Nobody Special]

I have nothing to add.

I think Muffin said he might be posting something yesterday.... not sure if we should wait or not.

I'm comfortable with you hammering at any time.

[Nobody Special]

I am sorry for the frustration.

I am likewise sorry for letting my frustration get the better of me. (Not an excuse, but drama elsewhere here, RL stress, etc.)

mastin, sorry if I said anything untoward.

If this is game, it was

mostly

fun.

If it's not over, I have absolutely no clue what to do next.

[Nobody Special]

Why does Muffin have a red, bolded exclamation point after their name in the playerlist?

This has been driving me insane for .....a very long time.

[Nobody Special]

I never wanna live this long in a game ever again.

^^^THIS

[Nobody Special]

May I: /pre-in Unbalanced3?

Also, what's the biggest a large can be?

There was once (twice?) a 100-player game.

[Nobody Special]

It was a couple years ago; shos modded it, I think? I played in it, so it's definitely in my history. If I find some extra spare time I'll find you a link.

[Nobody Special]

Is there a timeframe for U3?

[Nobody Special]

Oh.

I was hoping for at least a couple months.