Corpse Party Mafia [WRONG END]

[Ankamius]

hi

[Ankamius]

Jesus fucking christ, guys. I tablet posted three hours ago and the thread doubled in size since then.

I'll read stuff sometime tonight.

[Ankamius]

Sakura is notscience scum?

[Ankamius]

Humor me anyway.

[Ankamius]

Ok

[Ankamius]

What's the case on Mikazuki?

[Ankamius]

I got a glimpse of why people were suspicious of Taly, but I don't really agree with it. The responses look townish.

[Ankamius]

I could do a lot of things, but I'm trying to do stuff I was trying to do in the last game I started but couldn't due to getting into tunnel wars all game.

[Ankamius]

I read like 4 pages and got bored.

I also decided during signups that I was going to try to find a few townfucks and go the follow the leader route this game, at least until I get a good opportunity to go full retard and tunnel someone for entire day phases at a time.

[Ankamius]

I don't really think the game is all that difficult to comprehend, nor do I think any player has been particularly excessive or obnoxious with tunneling except maybe notscience, but his posts are really really easy to skip.

I think you're misreading my post.

[Ankamius]

I'm well aware of that.

I just don't see much of a reason to go into it at the moment since all I have for reads right now are townreads.

[Ankamius]

Are you townreading Gaiden?

Kinda? I feel like his gung-honess for going straight to voting is more town trying to go with the fast day plan than scum trying to increase darkness level. The thing that's giving me pause is that Sakura hasn't given a read on him yet.

[Ankamius]

Taly: What are you asking me to elaborate on?

[Ankamius]

Taly: What are you asking me to elaborate on?

Well, I wanted to see why people found you and/or Mika to be suspicious, since I didn't pick up anything major for concern.

Other than that, could you elaborate on some of our reads? You skimmed most of us as town, but I don't believe you specified who and why, exactly.

I don't remember anyone posting suspicion on me. It's mostly been people telling me to read or asking me stuff.

Townreads so far:

Skold
Taly
Thor and Loki
White Narcissus
ZeL1nK2
Zymf

[Ankamius]

I forgot about notscience. Add him to the list too.

[Ankamius]

@ Ankamius Where's the Town read on Zymf come from?

pedit Now I think you're making things up. Care to explain some of those?

Tell me who you want me to explain my reads on and I might.

[Ankamius]

I don't think Zymf's "Sachiko + team" point is indicative of anything. I bet that a town Sachiko would have come forward and cleared that up by now so that we could try to work around it or lynch the slot if it's too anti-town to keep in the game.

[Ankamius]

What's the current vote count?

[Ankamius]

Witness Protection is that post your entire case on Zymf?

[Ankamius]

Pseudovote: ZZZX

This is entirely interchangeable with lufan131.

[Ankamius]

Vote count looks like a lot of town trying to wagon town to me.

[Ankamius]

Pseudovote: Lufan131

Let's dance, then.

[Ankamius]

What's wrong with lufan votes?

[Ankamius]

As far as I can tell this is a lurker lynch

So no

okay

pvote shadowcat

???

[Ankamius]

Of all the people who has close to no posts, that's the slot you chose to pressure?

[Ankamius]

I said that.

Skold has 7 posts and most of them are fluffy. His last real content post was on page 2.
ZZZX has 2 posts and has said literally nothing so far.
lufan131 has 3 posts and all he's said is a single wishy washy read.
Zymf has 4 posts and no stated reads.

ShadowCat has 4 posts, but both of the posts outside of the first couple pages were completely game relevant. I don't understand why this slot was singled out for pressure over all four of the above.

[Ankamius]

So? How is it different than why he's trying to avoid the lufan wagon?

[Ankamius]

Ok then.

[Ankamius]

Placeholder.

[Ankamius]

I'm back. I'll start reading from the placeholder and post thoughts shortly.

[Ankamius]

I can't be the only one really disliking Mikazuki's overall tone whenever lufan's brought up.

[Ankamius]

I can't be the only one really disliking Mikazuki's overall tone whenever lufan's brought up.

Hmm, go on?

You spent a lot of time being wishy washy about your read on him despite saying that his posts are weird. You talk about it for a while with people and you end up exactly where you began, despite saying multiple times that it's weird. Note his saying multiple times that he isn't actually scumreading lufan yet is passively supporting the wagon makes a chill go down my spine.

[Ankamius]

Prove me wrong.

[Ankamius]

Sure. Why don't you post some reads while I type?

*she, please guys~

My reads haven't changed a whole lot since last time I posted them.

lufan went from null to scum.
You're starting to drop towards scum, but that's predominantly with a lufan scumflip. It's more town than scum if he flips town.

[Ankamius]

What exactly is your original opinion on lufan? As far as I can tell, it's that the post is 'interesting' and that you have no read either way yet.

[Ankamius]

I misread that point, never mind.

[Ankamius]

I find it pretty interesting that you're putting so much emphasis in trying to get a read on lufan but you're supporting the lynch for policy reasons anyway, though.

[Ankamius]

I find it pretty interesting that you're putting so much emphasis in trying to get a read on lufan but you're supporting the lynch for policy reasons anyway, though.

Why would I not try to get a read on someone I'm willing to policy lynch?

You post stuff that indicates a shift towards scumreading. I can't find a single point in the other direction that you also indicate that you believe in.

Yet despite that, you're pushing it because of policy. Now that I'm thinking of it, what exactly is the policy reason?

[Ankamius]

@Thorki I don't think it's scummy, I wonder why he would bring it up at all if he did not see it as a problem.

@Anka I already explained why I would choose him to policy lynch. When a policy lynch seems appropriate and my read could still go either way pending answers/most posts, I will consider PL as my main reason for voting.

I didn't ask why you'd choose him to policy lynch. I asked you what the justification for a policy lynch is.

[Ankamius]

Also i am kinda interested in what Ankamius thinks of lufan's claim.
~Sakura

I think it's non-indicative. It can easily be a scum ability that is there to 'look' town or a scum fakeclaim that can be imitated by what they have.

So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Ankamius]

Consider this intent to hammer as well barring last minute thoughts.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Lufan131

Back to L-1 you go!

[Ankamius]

Also i am kinda interested in what Ankamius thinks of lufan's claim.
~Sakura

I think it's non-indicative. It can easily be a scum ability that is there to 'look' town or a scum fakeclaim that can be imitated by what they have.

So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Do you remember sephibro's role in Higurashi.
~Sakura

I do. How is it relevant, exactly?

[Ankamius]

I'd be pretty disappointed in pieguy if there wasn't

some

kind of way for the players to alter darkness level by themselves, especially since it's more severe in this case with it passively going up.

[Ankamius]

Placeholder.

[Ankamius]

I said I wasn't a fan of the wagon (I wasn't; I have a tendency to give too much leeway to newer players that I think are struggling in a fish-out-of-water scenario and I thought the wagon on him was unfounded beyond things I've seen come from newer players as either alignment). And I said I had minor feelings that weren't at all strong that he was town.

I do still think the reasons for thinking he was scum were rather weak at best (even if it turned out to be correct). All the arguments about him being in another PT, him not knowing about the PT system, et al were stretching (I thought). The only point I actually thought had any merit was the fact that he happened to be checking private topics at the time Nikanor made that PT public, which was almost too much of a coincidence.

I agree with the newbie player thing, that was why I was so reluctant to say I was scum reading him despite being quite convinced that the PT thing was exactly what it looked like.

As for the reasoning being bad, the PT thing was enough to make me think that he was likely to flip scum.

I mentioned before that he actually said that he was '

sent

' there (which everyone ignored) which didn't make sense as a bad word choice,

it was an outright slip.

Wait a minute...

@Anka I already explained why I would choose him to policy lynch. When a policy lynch seems appropriate and my read could still go either way pending answers/most posts, I will consider PL as my main reason for voting.

...oh

That was your last post giving any kind of read on lufan whatsoever, and it doesn't match what you just said. Can you go into your thought process here please?

I still would like to know what the justification for policy lynching lufan was, too. You never answered that yesterday.

[Ankamius]

I'm not convinced on mass claiming flavor. I don't see what kind of information it will give to the overall picture.

[Ankamius]

Did you seriously just ignore the first part of my post? Also, I never had a chance to post between lufan's later posts and the lynch. This is exactly why I have trouble seeing you as town.

I will not justify wanting to policy lynch lufan, if it is not obvious to you, then you don't understand what a policy lynch is. Also, I wasn't the only one pushing for a policy lynch yesterday.

You agree the PT point was a scumslip. That doesn't exactly allow much room for confusion.
You keep waffling on your read on the slot regardless.
You specifically say that the main reason is for policy lynching.

There's dissonance here and it reeks.

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I know you wanted to policy lynch lufan; you've stated this many times. If the reasoning is that obvious, then you shouldn't have any problems quoting exactly where it should be obvious.

[Ankamius]

I'm not convinced on mass claiming flavor. I don't see what kind of information it will give to the overall picture.

Well for one, odds are one of the

surviving 5

is scum, odds are

none of those who died

is after Mayu flipped.

This is plausible, but does it really add enough info to the game to be worth digging into right now? You claim to have character associations, so do you think scum are unlikely to have something similar?

[Ankamius]

Okay, I'll accept for now that it's a playstyle clash and drop it.

I'll look at Thor+Loki later today, most likely after I've eaten.

[Ankamius]

I suspect however that Mika's probably a shiny object since Wis has a townread there
~Sakura

What do you mean by shiny object?

[Ankamius]

I got distracted for most of the day and I'm going to be asleep before too long.

Tomorrow's the last day I work for half a week though, so you all will probably be seeing me more than usual.

[Ankamius]

ISOing Thor+Loki didn't take very much effort to get a read. Town.

Shadowcat's next.

[Ankamius]

I've caught up with the overnight posts and I think the biggest thing that sticks out to me is this:

... Shinozaki Sachiko and her team ...

The Mod confirmed that Shinozaki Sachiko was in the game but didn't say whether she was groupscum, third party, or even town (although flavour-wise I think that's probably unlikely). So Zymf taking it for granted that she is groupscum, and also their leader, tells me he might be scum.


~ H

Shinozaki Sachiko increases the darkness therefore it makes sense she is scum.

Scum yes, but not necessarily groupscum and not necessarily their leader. It was that last in particular that bothered me about Zymf's post. Before that I had a town read on Zymf from his first post.

I'm pretty sure Shinozaki Sachiko is on the scum team.. She might be third party, but in my opinion if would make a lot more sense if she was on the scum team.

Ok. But why name her rather than just refer to the scum team in those posts? It gave an odd vibe.

Can you explain the thought process between these posts?

Huntress text Mala and tell her I am calling her names in the thread please, tia

She wouldn't be able to text me anyways. I can only text inside of the US or I'm basically charged extra and I'm not in charge of my phone bill.

I been sleeping pretty much after I get home from work to try and knock off this cold. I think it's gone for the most part I just have a wicked sore throat and a fever that seems to linger, so I don't have a clue what this is atm.

I was skimming for the most part, but what do you think of Thor/Loki hydra? You have more experience in seeing scum-Nacho than when I do, but I'm not seeing town-Nacho so what's your thoughts there?

~M

Although admittedly Shadowcat would be better, but you know.

Would be great if you actually gave reasons for this? Or you just gonna push shitty lynches because you are scared that your NK's will come back to you like it did during that newbie game?!?

~M

I don't like this sudden tone shift between trying to reach out to get a read on TL-hydra and immediately after lashing at that same slot. The fact that the posts, despite being on separate pages, being posted only a minute apart gives me the impression that you knew about the second post before posting the first, so why are you getting defensive in a way that looks like you're hard scumreading that slot when your last post gave the impression that you're less sure about it?

OK. I'm Mayu, and if you target me, you lose 20% darkness. That's all the role is.

Everyone that targets you? That seems too over-powered to be true.

Vote: lufan

~ H

Can you go into more detail here please?

I don't tunnel endlessly nowadays. Make me think you are town and I will change my mind. Your posts still continue having zero towniness in them. Your pushes have all been bad.

Do you personally feel like you've done things this game? Like people should be townreading you?

~Wis

I haven't been posting much at all. I was backarea of the hydra PT D1 because I ended up getting the flu thursday night which lasted til tuesday and I still had to work 8+ hour shifts during it because we are shorthanded at my job. I'm here now though. I told you I was at work, but I was getting down what I felt on paper which you're being a dismissive scumfuck like you always are.

But praytell what push other than Nacho and Zel have been bad? You just think they are bad because you disagree with them.

Is this the Mala hydra? If so, what changed between this post and this one:

actually hindsight you could probably get scumfucks to sheep your wagon

but flipping on a lynch won't happen

~M

[Ankamius]

PVote: ShadowCat

I can't wait for a response forever.

[Ankamius]

Can you explain the thought process between these posts?

Zymf's reaction to my post didn't seem scummy, and the comments of those who knew more about the flavour than I did made me think it wasn't as suspicious as I first thought.

I meant primarily what changed between the first post and the next two. The first makes it look like you think he's scum with inside information, but you throw doubt on that theory in the other two, but keep that suspicion there. I don't understand what would prompt that.

Can you go into more detail here please?

Do you mean about my comment that it was overpowered? I just thought that if multiple people could target her to reduce their darkness it would be unbalanced.

Yes, I wanted you to go into why you think that would too overpowered of a role to have in the game.

[Ankamius]

Placeholder.

[Ankamius]

Getting to this game tonight. I ended up burning myself out for the day before getting to this game yesterday.

[Ankamius]

Reading from my last content post up to the placeholder:

All in all I find that Skold's posts have a small problem of being legit looking while they are not really that deep. He looks like he is doing something while he isnt. Personally Since I have failed to catch up on alot I guess you can say I look similiar but the differance is that I ADMIT and KNOW I wasnt doing anything and I am trying right now. So far noone of the points skold used makes sense. Add an incomplete random claim (...ok?) to the mix and you get the point.

I don't like this post.

This is starting to get confusing huh... '
p-edit: I am not liking latest Mikaz post... AT ALL. its so full of scum intent behind it... *glares*

Well go on then, why would I not want get more confident reads, and to encourage Shadow to give reads as town?

I don't like this post either.

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I meant primarily what changed between the first post and the next two. The first makes it look like you think he's scum with inside information, but you throw doubt on that theory in the other two, but keep that suspicion there. I don't understand what would prompt that.

The second post (298) was just my reply to WN's comment on the first post, explaining why I raised the point. It didn't represent a change in my thinking. That change came after Zymf's response. It was the tone of his posts coupled with my past experience of playing with him. Yes, it's limited. That's one of the reasons why I said I still had reservations about him.

RIGHT. Now I understand where you're coming from.

Mala: Please answer this when you have time to.

Huntress text Mala and tell her I am calling her names in the thread please, tia

She wouldn't be able to text me anyways. I can only text inside of the US or I'm basically charged extra and I'm not in charge of my phone bill.

I been sleeping pretty much after I get home from work to try and knock off this cold. I think it's gone for the most part I just have a wicked sore throat and a fever that seems to linger, so I don't have a clue what this is atm.

I was skimming for the most part, but what do you think of Thor/Loki hydra? You have more experience in seeing scum-Nacho than when I do, but I'm not seeing town-Nacho so what's your thoughts there?

~M

Although admittedly Shadowcat would be better, but you know.

Would be great if you actually gave reasons for this? Or you just gonna push shitty lynches because you are scared that your NK's will come back to you like it did during that newbie game?!?

~M

I don't like this sudden tone shift between trying to reach out to get a read on TL-hydra and immediately after lashing at that same slot. The fact that the posts, despite being on separate pages, being posted only a minute apart gives me the impression that you knew about the second post before posting the first, so why are you getting defensive in a way that looks like you're hard scumreading that slot when your last post gave the impression that you're less sure about it?

[Ankamius]

No, I'm kinda nullishscum on them now. I feel a lot better about the Huntress head; I'm mostly waiting on Mala's response to have an updated read on that slot now.

What was your scumcase on them? I'm behind enough that I'm not all that interested in looking right now.

[Ankamius]

What was your scumcase on them? I'm behind enough that I'm not all that interested in looking right now.

They keep promising content without delivering, more specifically some explanations we've been waiting to hear for a while, instead they claimed and have been sitting on that claim without producing the content we've been waiting for (in case you missed it, they claimed being able to reduce their target's darkening by 40%, flavor Satoshi, Reason: Leader)
~Sakura

How much of this is from each head?

[Ankamius]

I asked because it changes how I look at that argument. Huntress was pretty quick to respond to my questions after the V/LA ending post and Mala's absence isn't alignment indicative, so I wanted to know if you were referring to something else with Huntress or if you had a different opinion with Mala.

[Ankamius]

Although now that it's more a global thing across the entire slot, is it from day one stuff?

PEdit: Yeah I understand that, but I don't really see how it's relevant right now. Huntress has been providing stuff and hell, Mala's been doing even more than I have the past few days, so I don't really understand the not-producing-content point.

[Ankamius]

Honestly, after all the posts today and the ISOing I did, I think Shadowcat's town.

Mala's posts today reminds me of how she played in the touhou upick game that ended recently. This isn't all that relevant since this was forever ago but she also had a very different attitude entirely in the game you modded where we were scumpartners.
I'm seeing a lot of genuine attempts to try to provide content throughout the last few days, including a consistent spike since the 6th.
Huntress' responses to me look really town. I get the feeling that she was trying to have a genuine dialogue with me despite having so much pressure on her, and the responses themselves cleared up the issues I had with her posts.

I just don't see them as scum.

[Ankamius]

Mala: Can you post your reads in the thread in one post?

[Ankamius]

I just realized I never actually answered your question.

Sakura: Can you quote where they refused to explain their reads?

[Ankamius]

Okay, so what do you think of the elaboration itself and does it affect how you see those posts?

[Ankamius]

I actually didn't even notice that WP was almost completely absent until you pointed it out.

I'd at the very least like to know where he stands on Shadowcat after all this talk has happened.

[Ankamius]

I'm going back to my weeaboo game now. Chances are I will not be able to do much for roughly a whole day, but I look forward to seeing Witness Protection's response when I finally can.

PEdit:

Tentacle Wrap: Witness Protection

[Ankamius]

It's a VN

[Ankamius]

ZZZX why do you want to know who targeted you?

[Ankamius]

It's THAT post that makes me think he's scum trying to WIFOM to out power roles. There's very little benefit we can get from him claiming darkness (and what benefit we DO get relies on town outing that they did it, which is extremely bad for obvious reasons), so I don't understand why he would think that's a good idea as town.

[Ankamius]

I'm not impressed with WP's posting this game phase.

I've seen both heads of Thorki as town and my experiences show that both of them are fully capable of stepping up and trying to rally town together in a singular direction. I don't see that at all here; even when they do post content, it looks like they're content to be in the background and let the rest play itself out.

[Ankamius]

I doubt there was some grand scum plan in claiming to be at 70% unless he's doing it for some sort of town credit (as in, I doubt he's doing it with the intent to draw out claims since, you know, it's entirely possible no town player targeted him). I can perhaps think of one alternate explanation for it if he's scum but eh.

Drawing out the day phase to try to 'figure' it out while dropping fake info about how the scumteam works is a motive; if he exaggerated his darkness level, it could still be used to draw out town power and reveal even more fake info about the scumteam. The fact that he has posted several times since day started and literally all of them related to it doesn't help his case.

The main thing I see if this is the case is that Thorki is probably town.

[Ankamius]

What's confusing about it?

[Ankamius]

Like I get why it might be useful to draw out day phase but I mean... darkness ticks aren't

that

powerful that even if he drags it out over an extra 48-hour tick (assuming enough people agree that it's a point of contention), it doesn't particularly help scum a whole bunch. If anything, it just draws attention to himself.

I also doubt he was role-fishing, because, well... It's unlikely a town player targeted him and if they did, why would they reveal it unless they thought they caused whatever happened to him?

But even if there was some deep scum plan I'm not seeing, I don't really see the link to Loki or why it would make him more likely town.

The darkness ticks from extending day aren't all that strong, but that extra time and attention is drawn towards something basically pointless rather than trying to figure out the game. This entire darkness level track is basically a dead end barring a claim of someone contributing towards that increase.

Going the way he has gone has two possible benefits as scum, assuming he is exaggerating his darkness level; he either throws shit onto the setup spec pile and makes it more difficult to try to figure out what scum has in the future (+adding paranoia at the same time), or he ends up drawing out a claim that only adds part of that darkness level, which focuses our attention towards useless and misleading setup spec instead of actual scumhunting.

The other issue is that I'm having a lot of trouble seeing a town player increase his darkness level like this. It doesn't make sense to me that someone town would increase ZZZX's level by 60 or whichever he claimed... yet there's no evidence that it had been done before. Skold never claimed to have had his darkness increased this much, and there's no other evidence around that someone else's darkness got raised so high on night 1. Spreading the darkness around without flipping people or only using it night 2 is a weird enough idea from town to bug me.

[Ankamius]

Thorki is town from it because it's not a gambit that is likely to save that slot and it could easily drag ZZZX down with them. There's better gambit options than that if that's the scumteam.

VOTE: Thor and Loki since I can't guarantee I'll be here.

[Ankamius]

Be here before deadline*

[Ankamius]

It makes a lot more sense in my head than ZZZX town making posts like that today. There's too much WIFOM and he's been focusing on it exclusively.

[Ankamius]

Rekt

[Ankamius]

Probably town now. I had an issue with his answer to me, but the only context where it makes sense is if Thor+Loki is scum and purposely put the bit about scum vigging their teammate out as a possibility for him to 'disprove'.

[Ankamius]

Gaiden's probtown.

[Ankamius]

My brain is fuzzy. I'll do reading tomorrow.

[Ankamius]

Gaiden is probtown because I would trust Sakura over everyone else in the player list to be able to read him accurately and she settled on him town.

[Ankamius]

ZZZX what are your reads?
Gaiden same question.

[Ankamius]

ugh this game is annoying

[Ankamius]

Gaiden's ZZZX vote is really bad. It's the type of thing I would push in this type of situation as scum. It's enough to bring him to the end of the PoE range if we ever get there, but I'm still going to piggyback Sakura's read for right now.

Titus is lessening my opinion on the slot. Predominantly pushing three mostly inactive slots followed closely by trying to clear herself via her role, then dropping it entirely when that clearly wasn't going to work leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[Ankamius]

Vote: Titus

been combing through WP and what stood out to me was the d1 pvotes on gaiden and lufan. Was tempted to say nah not a double bus again but WP didn't really interact with either. I think the outoftheblue backtoback scumreads there are just the sort of thing scum do to distance but are afraid to acually talk to their buddies or push too hard.

@ T&L If *something* happens when you reach 70%, and you don't know what it is, wouldn't it be better (as Town) to take one for the team (get lynched) rather that chance letting yourself get to 70%, and have something bad (you've claimed not to know what it is) happen? Is there anything else we should know about your Role?

Pushing for a Thorki lynch here doesn't add up with the role. I'd expect town with that role to push for thorki to live one more night to test what happens at 70%.

I think the plan from the beginning was to claim vig for towncred
and giving scum an even night not quite another, only 60%, kill makes a lot of sense here imo

Also not liking how titus's thought process on players today boils down to one word, gut.

I think this game is over after a titus and gaiden lynch

4nxi3ty is most likely town.

[Ankamius]

Mikazuki's posts today feel completely off today. The early 'reads' posts don't feel naturally connected and it looks like there's no true effort to solve the game after that; it looks more like trying to guide the other players to the goalpost rather than kick the ball herself.

[Ankamius]

I'd rather not massclaim right now. My role could still be useful under the right conditions, but those conditions disappear once it's public.

[Ankamius]

Mikazuki's posts today feel completely off today. The early 'reads' posts don't feel naturally connected and it looks like there's no true effort to solve the game after that; it looks more like trying to guide the other players to the goalpost rather than kick the ball herself.

As opposed to all the effort you yourself have been putting in?

Okay, that was a cheap shot but my point is that no part of this post is correct.

Gaiden's vote is... No less town than the rest of his play. Which is to say that it's not at all helpful to town. Any reason to vote ZZZX other than him not being dead?

ok, thanks for responding with a point completely disconnected to mine and trying to say it disproves everything I said

[Ankamius]

Mikazuki you waffled on your read certainty twice early on. You pointed out a PoE list, then later said that Thorki-town made you completely unsure of your reads, then shortly after went back to a similar stance to what you had the first time. Your reads conversations after that are as wishy-washy as your second stance even though I see posts that indicate it should be the opposite.

The whole thing reeks of scum not entirely sure of their position, which makes a lot of sense after the last two deaths.

[Ankamius]

#2000 is a town post.

[Ankamius]

Gaiden's ZZZX vote is really bad. It's the type of thing I would push in this type of situation as scum. It's enough to bring him to the end of the PoE range if we ever get there, but I'm still going to piggyback Sakura's read for right now.

Titus is lessening my opinion on the slot. Predominantly pushing three mostly inactive slots followed closely by trying to clear herself via her role, then dropping it entirely when that clearly wasn't going to work leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Wow...I haven't dropped anything. I haven't been here long enough to really pursue or drop anything. I should still be cleared because millerish vig but hey apparently that's only a town role when you have it. *eyeroll*

Second, my VCA is in no way finished. I will articulate why I think NS is scum along with anyone else I find when I do. There is one slight thing that could make NS town though and just picking the wrong slots to push.

...what? I claimed vig that game by articulating every kill I did any why, then letting town figure it out for itself. I never claimed being a vig made me town inherently.

And no, this is the first time you brought it up since zelink dismissed it, so yes you did drop the point.

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@Mod: V/LA until Monday.

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V/LA ending. I'll read up soonish and post stuff.

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I'd rather not massclaim right now. My role could still be useful under the right conditions, but those conditions disappear once it's public.

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No, I don't think flavorclaim would give it away. I'd be fine with flavorclaiming.

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notscience

4nxi3ty

ZZZX

SXTLHGaiden
Mikazuki
Titus
ZeL1nK2

Titus + Mikazuki makes sense as a team based on interactions today. It looks like there's already a plan to get Mikazuki the towncred needed in case Titus gets lynched; Mika keeps getting close to the conclusion of Titus-scum and just backs out right at the end of it every time she brings it up, and Titus is interested in interaction with Mikazuki, yet doesn't have a stated read on her. If I had to pull a team out right now, I'd put it here.

I've seen notscience display this level of aggression as scum, but I haven't seen enough of his towngame to have a comparison to base it on.

SXTLHGaiden is still on town end because of Sakura.

ZeL1nK2 is nullish. His most recent posts are making me hesitate; I can see it being scum who was trying to be a town leader but steadily realizing that it's not really necessary. It's not a strong link and I can see it going the other way just as easily, but I can't call this slot town and call it a day.

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I'll be around all day, btw.

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<- Saenoki Naho

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Actually I just took my two scumreads from before my V/LA and looked to see if they fit together as a team, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

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I did that?

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zzzzzzzz

VOTE: Titus

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We broke the game open.

4nxi3ty didn't target anybody last night, so he's almost certainly town.
Notscience is basically conftown now.
Mikazuki isn't conftown, but is so close that she might as well be.

That leaves ZZZX and SXTLHGaiden as the most likely scumteam. Notscience+Mikazuki is technically possible too, but extraordinarily unlikely since I bet I'd have been shot last night.

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It's a lot less likely, at least. It partially depends on whether scum can kill and use a power on the same night, but it's basically a clear if they can't.

I don't see scum having no active powers in this setup.

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Why exactly do you want to lynch Mikazuki?

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That was at Gaiden, sorry.

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<- Also 21%

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darkness 21%
i think it is safe to say that scum cannot raise multiple people's darkness each night
also i'm pretty sure your post translates to "i'mma claim to vote zzzx, but since i'm sure gaiden's 'reason post' will be shitty, this'll give me plenty of excuse to vote him"
so let's do this
VOTE: Mikazuki

Shall we dance?

um

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And no, Gaiden. Please tell me what's wrong with that post.

[Ankamius]

So? What makes that alignment indicative?

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What I'm really asking is why you think it's more likely she's outright lying than having just made a typo.

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I was purposely withholding that to see how he got to that conclusion :/

But yes, it's a typo. Mika was very transparent about her role usage in the neighborhood.

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VOTE: SXTLHGaiden

Gaiden's flailing. He's trying to find new angles of attack. It's scum desperately trying to find a way out of this corner he drove himself into.

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yep

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prodge

If anyone needs anything from me, it'll have to wait. I'm going to be working on catching up on nearly a full week's worth of sleep deprivation shortly.

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Yeah, scum had too much power. I think Titus was the only slot that really tripped us up by the end. We knew what notscience and Mikazuki's roles were before I got neighborized and we knew Gaiden had a role.

Thanks for modding and I'm okay with releasing the scum PT.

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One of my favorite town strategies is to fake confidence when I don't have much. At minimum it will shake up the game and get people to engage. Best case scenario, you happen to be right and your target scums up really hard.

My scumgame is pretty awful and the main reason I never was 'caught' per se was because I wasn't ever pressured. My strength as town is that I look town under pressure and my biggest weakness as scum is that I basically out myself under pressure. If you had tried pushing that angle on me more than you did, the game would almost certainly have gone a lot differently.

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Also if anyone can help me see why this game was different than every other scumgame I played on the site, that would help me a lot. I don't really know why I was townread so hard D1.

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I've been caught too many times for garbage pushes.

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To be fair, I site flaked for two days during that day phase. I was kinda somewhat active after that.

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That's really good PR-play.