I am tired and have a headache, but I am all caught up...finally! It is possible I missed some things as I think I read something like 40 pages, so bear with me as I probably forget some things I wanted to talk about and will probably be adding to this and I still feel a bit like I'm feeling around in the dark.
I'm bummed that AFB replaced out as I had some questions for them. There are some things I liked, such as AP's "guide to meta" and his statement about how much he'd like to be scum here, and his looking back at games - though I'm not sure how often he does that, so - but then some other things felt weird. He felt like he was kinda schizophrenically reading the game and not applying things evenly. Like it didn't make a whole lot of sense to say that he forgot I was in the game and that didn't bode well for my alignment, but then himself be busy and have troubles keeping up, said that in multi ball scum still can stand out, and then point out that lack of activity isn't a tell. The whole argument with Wisdom likewise felt off. That had to be AP I'm guessing because Wisdom, Bro and I were recently scum partners and I felt like we all got along well, so it would be weird for that to have been Bro. And unless I'm completely missing something it really was prompted by AP. Maybe Wisdom was scum reading him? But a scum read alone didn't seem like it would prompt that kind of hostility, so maybe they have a history? It also didn't seem like an overly hostile argument? IDK, so I don't know how to feel about this here. :/
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Ricastle
- You've repeated several times that you won't be lynched. Why do you think that? Also, are you an alt? Or do you have experience on another site?
I can see some of the false arrogance type of argument against Ricastle, but in many ways he just feels like an arrogant newb, but posts like this are what have me seeing flashes of town:
In post 883, Ricastle wrote: In post 871, Bacon and Egg wrote:VOTE: ricastle
Both of you stop it and vote the guy that began all this with the fucking shit case of "they are trying to look town".
~Wis
How are you seeing town from Seiko here? They're "not trolling"...sure bucko.
You've either not read my case or are bullshitting because my conclusion was clearly more sensible than that. They were doing more preaching about advancing the gamestate than actually doing so which lead me to believe that they were pushing the philosophy just for towncred.
There's only one person that will come out of this exchange looking like a fool and it isn't going to be me.
Basically what I like is the last line. I think he's wrong about Seiko (I'll talk about them in a bit), and from what I know Mala does too, but he feels like he thinks he's right here and that Wisdom is going to look like a fool in the end.
Actually considering that it's multi ball, this kind of certainty isn't as much of a town tell as I was just thinking it was. He could be scum legitimately believing he's caught the other team here.
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I'm back to thinking that Rune is town. I'm still not fond of the balls out push on notanaxehole or their argument that had nothing to do with this game, and if this game weren't multi ball, I'd probably think that one of them were scum for sure and that they were scum reading each other in order to try to throw the other off since they are friends or something. (This thought isn't too well-formed) But their argument then replace out doesn't feel scum motivated from either of them?
Then there are posts like this that just feel town to me:
I know that these types of things are my mafia weakness, but it just feels town to me as does most of his iso. Also, he never said he was being scummy or anti-town. He said he was trying to appear useless. Well useless can be considered anti-town I suppose but if he was doing it with an intent to get the hydrate then I can see it having protown motivation if a little shortsighted and not gauging how it would be received.
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Generic
- Can you consolidate for me a little your read on HH? You seem a little confused by the whole hydrate game mechanic. Are you or am I misreading? What do you think the hydration thing does?
Also, your reaction to my town read you concerns me a little as when I incorrectly read you as town in NY169 at the beginning, you used a similarish type of reason to town read me in return. I have other reasons to think you're town other than this as I agree with Wisdom's reasons there, but. Also also, I don't dislike you nor do I carry grudges from mafia games. I don't particularly like our interactions in past games or the way that you've responded to me or treated me, but I always hope that those things stay in past mafia games.
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Hohumis hortumsculi
Cheetory - you asked me a question about the way I was reading the game based on how people were reading me. I answered and asked you what you thought that meant for my alignment/me and what Cephrir also thought that meant, but you didn't respond.
Cephrir - Have you had no issues with me so far this game?
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I think Bacon and Egg is probably town in part based on Wisdom. I've not seen a reads list like that before, but I haven't played that many games with him. Though one thing I really did like was that someone (Neiko?) said that he was town or this was just multi ball. In HU2 when wisdom was scum in multi ball and someone made that same exact sentiment - Wisdom would be a town read if not for multi ball - Wisdom took offense to that in a way that I thought sounded pretty scummy whereas here he didn't make a big deal of that at all and in fact has talked about what things are and are not affected by multi ball. I doubt very seriously that he thought that his reaction was scummy in that game and I never said anything about it in thread during that game as I just kinda made a mental note of it and moved on so he can't be reacting here based on a reaction in that game I don't think.
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Sonic Boom is probably town but damn do they post too much. The past couple times I've seen scum Titus everyone has called her town and while I've wanted to town read her and try to see where she is town, there's always been this little tickle that has kept me from really calling her town and wanting her lynched. I don't think that I can accurately read Titus this early in the game but I do think that I've picked up some markers for her and if she's scum I think I'll have a chance of seeing it some time soon. Also, I know that Mala has a meta read on her and they've played more games together and have hydrad together so I think she has a better understanding of Titus than I do. Metal's scum game recently has improved greatly and I've not really learned how to differentiate, so I imagine we'll just try to make sense of the Titus head for that read.
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Seiko - We think they're town. I do think that Pie's early posts sounded very off, but not science's interactions with Sonic Boom the other night just read really town, namely these posts:
In post 1570, Seiko x Naomi wrote:
Let me explain this gamestate for you because you two clearly don't understand it.
Your little stunt the other night? Yeah, it shot me up Mala's townlist. AFB's townreading me, Wisdom's townreading me. Mala and Wisdom alone are enough to drive your shitty push into the dirt
And the funniest part of it all is?
Your little stunt is what helped me obvtown
so thanks!
In post 847, Seiko x Naomi wrote:I want to work with mala, tammy, wis, giffy, apbro.
i wanted ot work with marquis and katarina because I was so fucking excited that she came back for a game but SOMEONE shitposting the thread made them replaceo ut (alos I foret which slot they are but that slots probably town)
pedit-
How about you shut the holy fuck up
In post 773, Seiko x Naomi wrote:Also, if I didn't care about being a near-universal scumread, I wouldn't have reached out to the one hydra I expect to be able to read me that doesnt have a weird ass readslist where I get townpoints for doing something I have never done before.
The only reason I responded to singer's post as such is because I'm 95% sure I've already laid out why I'm nervous about scum induced hyperactivity leading into apathy. But, that doesn't matter because that's sounds like something scum would say rather than town who has used said tactic as scum before and is actively avoiding it. So, whatever.
I'm currently weighing my thoughts on how mario has approached our slot. Someone stated a semblance of some points against it, he looked and agreed, then does some baseless VCA with no flips to go on without Titus commenting, which bugs me because as someone who is self-proclaimed to be an expert at VCA, cherrypicked votecounts and deciding some people on a wagon are scum (granted, statistically yes, the odds are in favor of there being scum on the wagon), she opted not to comment. I'm not sure it's because mario is scum, I'm currently leaning noobtown not sure how to develop his own opinion and wants to help support others.
Also a thing I've noted- a lot of the townreads I've seen coming out on us (Bropidgeon, Wisdomsaysstayoutofthefreezer, axehole) have very little in the way of explanation behind them. Axehole's read essentially was that our posting just seems town, Wis said that looked like town-pie and that me not trolling looked town, and then bropidgeon said I was town and when pie corrected them because I hadnt posted they were like "oh still looks town" which I'm not sure I believe that they are reading both of us the same despite us being in a hydra. That being said, I doubt all of them are scum but I think it's likely one or two of the three are, but they aren't aligned together.
My statements regarding TWIE still stand.
Anyway, I don't agree with him that the Jessica replace out was super town because Marquis replaced out of team mafia as scum when scum were in the midst of hyper activity inducing spam that had demotivated the town and confused them, so it doesn't feel like a strong reason here for calling that slot town. Though I do have a light town read on p2 regardless, so. Also, I don't think I'm the greatest reader of not science but I knew something was wrong with him from day one in FFX so I think that if he is scum, I have a chance to see it soon enough. Mala is really good friends with not science so has a good idea of how to read him, even though she refused to see he was scum in FFX, but I think between the two of us we'll see it eventually if they are scum and fooling us right now.
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Oh I had an epiphany maybe earlier but I'm not sure how to work it out. So, if the scum teams are in fact pink against tridras, then we might be able to figure out the size of the scum teams from that. While out for a run I was thinking about the hydras that mara has. Does anyone know if she has more than 17? Anyway, this is what I had so far:
Mara +
Tammy - Drama Queens
Malakittens - Amethyst Kitty
TAM - Amethyst Actor
Nacho - The Purple Plague
GIF - Amethyst Snowflake
zoidberg - The Purple Lobsta
Nero Cain - SugarCain
OmoftheNom - Sweet Pertayter
Borkjerfkin - Purpkin
Cabd - MC Maraca
Venmar - The Slovak Prince
fuzzybutternut - HoneyBear
cephrir - Baboon Pride
majiffy - Violent Saxophone
Tridra -
Malakittens + Pirate Mollie - Kerberos
SleepyKrew + Nacho - BuddhaKrishabestfriends (something like this)
Oh oh oh in the previous version of the game, the slot that turned into the tridra of kerberos started off as the hydra of pirate cat - the hydra of malakittens and mollie.
These are just the ones I know off the top of my head plus looking at the first we the purple game. I'm not sure if it can help, but here it is. I know there's more though.
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Other town/townish reads are Singersigner, p2 and maybe twie.
I'd lynch pretty much anyone I haven't claimed a town read on and I guess wouldn't hate a lynch on ricastle. I think the ones I'd most like to vote for are random, espsy, and sure ricastle. I'm not overly fond of HH but I wound't want to lynch them today. I also want Oversoul to start doing stuff, but I'd not lynch him either today. Anyone else is a null. I'm finding too many townish people, but eh it's day one and par for the course for me.
Sorry for the wall.