We The Purple II Game Over

[Bacon and Egg]

I'm still hydrating seiko though, and want everyone to agree.

I'm fine with this. Also, when does the hydrated person get to pick their target for becoming a hydra? Does that resolve right away so both have PRs over night?

no, the second one gets it at dawn. Was answered earlier

[Bacon and Egg]

On another note Generic/Seiko/TWIE is in as a team.

you're right, all three are town. You said something correct for once.

[Bacon and Egg]

Most of your posting has been attaching yourself to Seiko and attacking Ricastle. As it seems there truly are 6 scum, who are the other 4 (seeing as you have breifly stated random needs to die)

Try again, not only have I given reads on everyone at least 3 times now, I have even called what I believe are the exact scumteams twice now.

assuming that was to me, but it probably was

[Bacon and Egg]

He tries to change the topic to favourclaiming and build on that, yet it only helps find the tridra faction. He then calls Rune caught scum.

He makes the argument that troll=scum, and pushes Rune for it.

Also I never called Rune scum. maybe you're talking about someone else after all?

[Bacon and Egg]

HH is town. Vote Ricastle already TWIE

[Bacon and Egg]

if singer is scum she's scum with Ricastle. And we're not lynching singer today. Therefore..?

[Bacon and Egg]

It was, singer doesn't want to be hydrated because it will ensure she will die tonight. That's the reason she wasn't hydrating herself too.

[Bacon and Egg]

oh, which one?

[Bacon and Egg]

But hey, let's go for another twenty pages on other wagons befriend returning to this one again, it's inly happened 3 times so far...

i wonder why thats happening

its like some people have a reason to stop ricastle from dying

imagine that

[Bacon and Egg]

wagon status

Ricastle (6): MarioManiac4, Bacon and Egg, Generic, Bert, Homuletic Homunculi, TheWayItEnds
TheWayItEnds (4): zzzx, Espsyoncheage, singersigner, Sonic Boom
MarioManiac4 (2): Ricastle, AngryPidgeon

[Bacon and Egg]

inb4 "omg he's selfvoting so town better wagon someone else"

[Bacon and Egg]

I don't remember saying that? Also, I unvoted Ricastle, so that's a thing. Seeing as RM basically has the support of a Alfa Romeo's internal system, I may hammer soon for info.

you havent actually unvoted

[Bacon and Egg]

im all for lynching Esp next

[Bacon and Egg]

lets see if we'll get the hammer before page 100

[Bacon and Egg]

If D1 ends with a 3 digit page number, I'm replacing out.

[Bacon and Egg]

wisdom so scum gais

[Bacon and Egg]

ap is on the other scumteam. esp is on the same as ricastle. therefore yeah, ap would love lynching another from that one

[Bacon and Egg]

also page 100

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i really don't see scum putting so much effort into producing "null-town" reads for starters

how much effort can that be? i mean he didnt even explain the reads, it's just names in lists

[Bacon and Egg]

yep, seiko

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but im scum according to you, what do i need that for?

[Bacon and Egg]

nah. I always give nulltown and nullscum reads as both alignments. because everyone does it.

[Bacon and Egg]

im bacon

[Bacon and Egg]

one vote left guys

will it happen before page 101?

[Bacon and Egg]

relevant to bacon discussion

Subject: Match Maker Marathon Mara Mode

ALSO - WHO'S THE BACON AND WHO'S THE EGG?

I'm obviously the bacon

no

I think I'm right on this one.

nope

[Bacon and Egg]

even if ricastle is scum the fact that you needed 101 pages to find him and make his lynch is just pitiful

i found him in 20 pages, if people needed another 80 its not my fault

[Bacon and Egg]

im good at trolling when i do it so no

[Bacon and Egg]

do it titus

you get to be on a scum lynch for once

[Bacon and Egg]

I would expect frustration to manifest as "we cannot get our act together".

why would he include himself? it's the rest of the town his problem rests with

cmon

[Bacon and Egg]

Mara you're missing p2's vote. It's L-1

and now its hammer

[Bacon and Egg]

night night

esp tomorrow whether im here or not

[Bacon and Egg]

wisdom will be dead tomorrow so no worries

unless both scumteams go for seiko which would be fun i guess

[Bacon and Egg]

VOTE: espsy

would also lynch AP.

I havent read anything from today because no time, will prob do later

~Wis

[Bacon and Egg]

Singer, can we vote Seiko together?

what the fuck?

We just had a nokill after we hydrated Seiko, how the fuck can Seiko be scum?

[Bacon and Egg]

Im reading posts since daystart now. Still disliking the way singer posts. This, for instance:

138 is a very leading question from Seiko...”what do you think HH has done this game that is unlikely to come from scum” is a pretty big burden of proof to say that nothing they’ve done could ever be faked in the history of ever.

feels like filler. Seriously, singer, asking someone to explain why they are townreading someone is a leading question? I don't buy that from you and this only feels like you potshoting at whatever you see the chance to.

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185...AFB brings up a point and a general sentiment I’ve noticed now in late game...GiF wasn’t being townread, and all of a sudden Wisdom starts taking over and spamming/trying to control the game...why is that?

Because that's how I play in all my hydras? You are trying to imply that I took over to stop scumreads on us and you aren't even being subtle about it - why not outright state it instead of trying to paint the narrative?

[Bacon and Egg]

There were two roles last night. Even if both are the same fucking role, Seiko isn't clear.

No, there was one role last night. The second person got their power at dawn.

The only scenario where Seiko can be scum is if Seiko is a scum roleblocker who blocked the other scumteam's shooter AND his scumteam nokilled. I have absolutely no reason to see why his scumteam would nokill, so explain that to me?

[Bacon and Egg]

Given the fact that Brantz wasn't lynched solely because of "ZOMG clear", we're going to not clear anyone based on setup until it actually is proven they are clear. I can come up with SEVERAL ways no kill happens without Seiko being town.

Enlight us then

[Bacon and Egg]

1146 from Bacon...of course replacing is null for the most part, but you can still comment on the slot...do you think those who have replaced but not become integrated with the game yet are still town?

Comment on what? Jessica posted nothing before leaving. It's null. I pushed this very thing HH argued (Jessica replaced out without saying anything inthread about it) to push a mislynch in my last scumgame and town bought it, it's stupid. Vice versa I pushed that a certain slot was town because I couldn't see it replacing out as scum in Mod Error - it was scum. In the end replacements are all null.

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1550 from Bacon...here you say that Ricastle seems way more capable and skilled than random...yet you think he’s so easily caught as scum because of the masterful scumhunter that you are? Why are you justifying random not lasting long as a reason to let him slide for today?

Because random felt like a lynch that's going to happen regardless of whether I am around or not, at some point. I didn't trust this town with lynching Ricastle though, I wanted to make that happen while I was alive.

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Now reading everything in context, I did see your answer, but I didn’t know why he was appealing to you in particular, and I still don’t.

Because I was pushing Ricastle and he was trying to argue that Ricastle could be town because he wanted to be hydrated? What's so hard to understand about that? He was trying to make me consider that Ricastle could be town.

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Then you exaggerate how “all I’ve done” is ask pointless questions which prove I haven’t read the game (and then proceed to accuse Sonic of not reading), which if you were reading the game you’d see why I took a an official break while struggling to keep up, had posted plenty before then which in fact gave you a solid town read of me, and based off of ONE QUESTION you use that as an excuse to flip on me?

Let's make this clear. I am quite aware that you were not reading and you took a breeak and whatever. My problem with you is that while on this break, you made posts and questions that you didn't need to make because the answers were in the thread. If you were committed to not reading, why make those questions? The logical thing is to wait until you can read, and THEN, if you still have questions, ask. I fail to see a point into asking questions that are easily answered by reading, except if you wanted to show that you're still in the game, if you felt like you had to post something. Now obviously, I see that you are capable of much better things so it feels lame to accuse you of being that weak that you had to post useless questions for that purpose, but this is how it felt at the time.

[Bacon and Egg]

Ways Sekio is not clear

Scums kill Seiko and her hydration selection
The hydration item is a role block or lightning rod
Seiko scum no kill, and item is a bulletproof vest
Seiko team no kill, item stopped another kill

Items are doctors and Seiko healed who she hydrated and hydration healed her.

Again, Seiko's selection only gets hydrated at the end of the night. The only person with a role was Seiko.

[Bacon and Egg]

why am i even trying

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1812 from Bacon...how does this hypothesis change now that you know I couldn’t possibly be scum with Ricastle, and I have literally no reason as scum of either team to not go for his lynch?

Obviously, you not mentioning Ricastle had nothing to do with what I thought it did. I don't see the point of this question.

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1848 from Bacon (why do I keep pinging posts from Bacon...JUST STOP POSTING) is so confident I’m scum but like let’s hypothetical she’s town...that’s so out of character for all of your strong reads this game...why’s that?

Context maybe? The argument was why we shouldn't hydrate you - I was explaining how you don't have reliable reads even if you are town.

[Bacon and Egg]

1880 from Bacon...so hypocrisy isn’t necessarily a scumtell, but here you say that Generic keep his reads close to his chest isn’t scummy, yet you berate others for not explaining their reads when you demand that they do. Why is it not scummy when Generic does it, but scummy when you don’t get what you want when you want it?

Do I really have to spell this out for you? What the fuck is with you and asking things that should be obvious?

First of all that was about TWIE, not Generic.

Secondly, not explaining reads is not scummy by any means. If I treat that as scummy from other people it's because it's the circumstance, the way they do it, their general game. I have explained many times why I was townreading TWIE and why I didn't find his not talking about his reads scummy. What applied to TWIE did not apply to other people who weren't explaining their reads.

Finally, you have to understand the concept of pressure. Making someone feel like I think they are scum because they are not explaining their reads in real time has a purpose.

[Bacon and Egg]

and would like to hear what he has to say about me proving him wrong.

What did you prove me wrong about?

Since you're finishing your catch up here - I still don't feel good about you. You are still trying to shrug off your weak posting as you taking a break and not reading when you had no reason of making those posts when you did while you were in your break. As I said, the fact you now produced all this effort makes me feel not as good about that point as indicating but given you had a whole night of preparation for this I don't know if I should be discarding it that easily. There is not really anything that can't be faked in there - you see posts you can comment on and you do. Many of those comments feel completely unneeded.

That said, I understand it could be a playstyle thing. I did scumread you in the only other game we've played together and you were town there, so I probably just don't like the way you play. But yeah, if you are looking for my read on you right now, it's that I still feel like you could be scum. Not someone I would lynch today though.

[Bacon and Egg]

I actually looked at the prequel just now and saw that it didn't, so that is a point against my assumption.

The prequel wasn't a large, was it?

[Bacon and Egg]

Just so everyone is clear, I won't be bothering with any other wagons other than HH, TWIE and oversoul. The oversoul one I base on his continued attempts to avoid any involvement in the game, and always conveniently being forgotten about every time he's brought up.

Oversoul is the only one of those three that I could support, though I would much rather see him replaced. The other two are still town and you need to stop tunneling.

[Bacon and Egg]

Translation: I noticed just enough that my biggest detractor has a few votes, and I need to start getting rid of players who want to lynch me.

Yeah, except for the fact that I am not nor will I ever be in danger of getting lynched and for the fact that I've been saying you should be lynched next since yesterday.

[Bacon and Egg]

If it makes anyone feel any better I yelled at Anen for making empty posts so hopefully that gets better because I'm pretty fucking obviously town when I post.

lol

[Bacon and Egg]

And I see Generic hasn't changed a bit since the last time I found him infuriating to interact with. He's still scum, in case anyone was wondering,

no

[Bacon and Egg]

I have skimmed but why is Generic voting HH as opposed to me, someone he made a case against yesterday and now have a viable wagon?

This makes no sense, Generic has been scumreading and talking about HH much more than he has about you. Also a single vote on you is a viable wagon?

[Bacon and Egg]

VOTE: Sonic

no

[Bacon and Egg]

Why do you try to force your wrong opinions instead of listening? I fucking told you Ricastle was town.

Even if Seiko claims commuter/bulletproof, her team could no kill. The chick isn't clear by setup and has zero desire to act protown or force protown play from others. Even if I cannot get her lynched today, then I will still remind people she isn't clear. That's my job. Stop unnecessary setup clears that hurt us.

So the argument is scum BP/commuter and no-kill so they can argue they are conftown?

If so why are they not arguing they are conftown?

[Bacon and Egg]

hydration mechanics say that whoever got hydrated know what their PR is

i'm sure shos got GI to pull off a similar PR trick in Mod Error mafia, getting Iecerint conveniently to track GI to shos. and bus him. and somehow GI still got lynched.


this is a way easier PR trick. whoever is saying that this will 'conftown' seiko, slap yourself. especially if you played in Mod Error

what? This is completely irrelevant. GI actually targeted shos with his role and Iecerint did track him, GI got lynched because shos had claimed he knew GI targeted him and he flipped scum without a role that would allow that, therefore implicating GI.

How does that apply here?

[Bacon and Egg]

whatever, fuck this shit, lynch TWIE

TWIE is still town.

[Bacon and Egg]

i did what? I got GI lynched. Get your facts straight.

This discussion stops here because we are not touching Seiko ever anyway.

[Bacon and Egg]

So now that I'm caught up:

Reads:

Town: {Seiko x Naomi, Sonic Boom, Homiletic Homunculi, TheWayItEnds, Generic}
Nulltown: {Bert, p2, Cait Sith, ZZZX}
Nullscum: {AP, singersigner, MarioManiac, randomidget, Oversoul}
Scum: {Espsyoncheage}

Any of my nullscum reads would make decent lynches but Espsy is the one I want most.

On hydration:

Hydrate: TheWayItEnds

This feels like a good idea. He is town, he seems to have good reads whenever he has expressed them, and if he gets killed it will only mean that he will stop distracting the people who don't see he is town.

[Bacon and Egg]

Bacon and Egg. 1 scumread. There are like, 6? scum here in this game, mind you

nullscum are effectively scumreads, just not as strong as espsy

[Bacon and Egg]

Bert I have been saying TWIE is town since the first moment, don't act like it happened suddenly

[Bacon and Egg]

Since when do you care about how people are reading you, Tbone? In Mod Error you didn't give a fuck, you didn't make a single effort to convince anyone that they were wrongly scumreading you.

[Bacon and Egg]

I got the impression that you didn't have a good and/or valid reason why TWIE was town D1, you just thought Ricastle was a better lynch. That's the vibe I got in you vs. Titus. "Titus, that doesn't make TWIE scum" when refuting Titus's reasons for TWIE.

How are you sure? TWIE's style could be easily easily fooling you, with how little he directly engages anyone or posts reads in succession. I feel you would know that given how you've seen various people fake stuff like that in past games. Where were those "good reads" that you like of his?

This was already discussed in D1: Why do scum adapt a "i dont give a fuck" playstyle when they can genuinely scumhunt and get townread because it's multiball?

There is zero scum motivation in anything TWIE has done ever. All cases on him amount to people not liking his playstyle.

[Bacon and Egg]

My point was not "you dont play like mod error Tbone therefore you aren't town". My point is that you trying to manipulate people into thinking you care about working with them holds scum motivation.

[Bacon and Egg]

youre just being paranoid, he's town

[Bacon and Egg]

How is he an unpleasant liability exactly today?

[Bacon and Egg]

they're probably town actually.

they're just really bad.

Here. An example of a stance. TWIE argues for MS being town despite how MS has been treating him since the beginning. Do you know why? Because he can see that he is town despite that. Now why does scum do that and doesn't let Seiko push them? Seiko of all people, who are as close to conftown as it gets?

Man, what a liability.

[Bacon and Egg]

My point was not "you dont play like mod error Tbone therefore you aren't town". My point is that you trying to manipulate people into thinking you care about working with them holds scum motivation.

I'm not trying to manipulate anyone. I'm trying to do two things, one is not automatically scumread a player just because they are scumreading me, and two I'm trying to develop my own read on Ceph and co. I can kind of look at it objectively because it seems like the problems he has had the most are not with my posts, but with wgurts and Anen's, the scumread is indirectly aimed at me.

There are things I think I consistently do across my town games that are evident here, if I was playing solo I'd probably be townread by more than a few players, I don't know for sure, but that's what it appears like to me. And going back to Mod Error I played pretty terribly, was bitter, and generally unpleasent. I know I am being unpleasent to you (maybe a bit unfairly) but that is because I am frustrated with you just in general. So right now I am trying to work through some of my frustrations, maybe start earning town reads, and look for scum.

This whole thing sounds like placation and manipulation.

[Bacon and Egg]

Also Wisdom I'm sorry and I'm gonna try to be nicer to you/about you.

said no town ever to me.

[Bacon and Egg]

you're not saving that now

[Bacon and Egg]

indeed you would

[Bacon and Egg]

AP was there a point to that quote?

[Bacon and Egg]

Agh I dont really want to see TWIE still here in later day phases

so let's hydrate him, that will make scum kill him and you won't have to see him still here in later day phases

[Bacon and Egg]

You're the one who quoted it.

I talked at length yesterday about how I didn't like TWIE's reaction to Generic's reaction to your replace out. This was the single thing I didn't like from him yet I have already explained how it's not even that alignment indicative. So you're quoting it to imply what?

[Bacon and Egg]

-Thinks my reads are all scum
-Wants to hydrate me

dude you're right, how couldn't I see you're so obvtown

[Bacon and Egg]

My argument for hydrating TWIE was that he is town and I like his reads. The "he will die" part is just for those who insist on scumreading him.

[Bacon and Egg]

why am i talking with you

You get the Ricastle treatment from now on

[Bacon and Egg]

It actually did, he got conftown'd or close to it

[Bacon and Egg]

The point is he didn't die...? Not that nothing came from it. So maybe I didn't understand what you're trying to appeal to?

The people who wanted him dead wanted him dead because they thought he is scum. Now they know he isn't. Therefore the hydration helped with it?

[Bacon and Egg]

I'm saying that "what is unlikely to come from scum" is like asking someone to prove that scum can't fake certain things. I guess leading question is the wrong word for it...trap question, maybe?

Trap question is the same as leading question, you are trying to imply ill intent where there's none. That was Seiko trying to get him to walk them through his townread, not to "trap" them anywhere.

[Bacon and Egg]

What do you think of Cheetory/HH postulating that I could've faked my catchup to try and "obvtown" myself?

I answered that already. I could see you easily faking your catchup given the time you had.

[Bacon and Egg]

You claimed I was scum with him, but would you claim I could've been scum independently of him? Because your theory that I was scum seemed to revolve 100% around that, and now I'm wondering if/how that changed?

Um, no, my scumread on you had nothing to do with Ricastle, that was just an extra.
Yes, you could easily be scum without him being scum.

[Bacon and Egg]

What did Ricastle's flip tell you about the game?

that town is as terrible as usual

[Bacon and Egg]

Yes, but you're saying you're appealing to the people who are scumreading him by insinuating he will die is hydrated, so I was pointing out that it didn't work for Seiko because Seiko didn't die.

Which, again, worked with Seiko because he got conftown'd. Died or conftown'd is the same for those who were scumreading him.

[Bacon and Egg]

I wouldn't have been able to catchup given that time. What do you see me faking?

I don't understand this. You did catch up so what are you arguing here?

It's multiball, if you are scum you have genuine scumhunting to do, everything you posted is doable as scum.

[Bacon and Egg]

Look at all that responsibility for spearheading a lynch and being wrong and then still treating people today like they should still listen to you because of course you're not wrong!

in my eyes Ricastle flipped scum, regardless of what the mod said. He was playing like scum.

[Bacon and Egg]

So, you've responded to some of my posts and I've responded to yours. Am I still scum? Why?

2736

[Bacon and Egg]

Thats what i told you when I pushed twie

you told me I am dumb

Except TWIE has not played like scum at any point in this game. I am tired of saying the same stuff

[Bacon and Egg]

yeah because everything is black and white in mafia

[Bacon and Egg]

sp/Ap. At least 1 scum there.

esp first

[Bacon and Egg]

we're not in the old days bert. ive grown tired of town who play like that and cost me mislynches and ive long stopped getting surprised at such flips.

[Bacon and Egg]

psyche = p2

[Bacon and Egg]

Why AP first and not esp?

[Bacon and Egg]

those that dont want to lynch TWIE, can we decide on either Esp or AP?

[Bacon and Egg]

So players are capable of receiving more than one power role over the course of the game?

I doubt that's the case. From what I understand "hydration" is transforming into your flavor player's hydra with Mara, so once you're hydrated your role can't evolve further.

[Bacon and Egg]

@mara ZZZX is voting AP, not me

[Bacon and Egg]

ZZZX get on Esp

[Bacon and Egg]

I don't see any clear information from esp as noone really gave clear interactions with him

I've interacted a lot with Esp, pretty sure you learn more about me from his flip than TWIE's

[Bacon and Egg]

that was @zzzx

[Bacon and Egg]

yeah man in a game where I can obvtown I play in a way that I'll get disliked and PL'd, sounds legit

[Bacon and Egg]

im not hydrating my scumreads, ns. Hydrate TWIE and vote Esp with me.

[Bacon and Egg]

no fucking way we're hydrating AP, even singer is a better hydrate than that. wtf?

[Bacon and Egg]

Such as?

[Bacon and Egg]

Also doctor Jailkeeper rolestopper maybe more

how did he stop two kills with these?

[Bacon and Egg]

I fail to see what action can do that and stop two kills, unless they're claiming hider on you in which case they should say so because a conftown on you would be huge.

[Bacon and Egg]

I actually had a moment after Notscience said AP is a top townread, where I thought AP maybe got a gift from Seiko and used it on Espy.

once again, whoever Seiko hydrated got their power at the beginning of D2 therefore didn't use a thing

[Bacon and Egg]

esp reminds me of myself when I'm having a bad scumgame - desperately trying to argue I'm obvtown when I really am the opposite

[Bacon and Egg]

he doesnt, its just the only alternative since he cant placate me

[Bacon and Egg]

Bert i dont understand the question

[Bacon and Egg]

Mara, MarioManiac is not voting me either

[Bacon and Egg]

hydrate: singer

better this than AP

[Bacon and Egg]

ZZZX is town.

[Bacon and Egg]

TWIE is also town.

[Bacon and Egg]

AP is also most likely town.

[Bacon and Egg]

no, but you can cut the bullshit and vote Esp with us

[Bacon and Egg]

But when the top three of the hydrate wagon on her are my scumreads

I have some issues hydrating her.

Then let's hydrate TWIE. Or let's agree on someone else like Bert, HH, Generic. Why the hell AP?

[Bacon and Egg]

I mean you're making me hydrate someone I don't want hydrated just because I don't want AP hydrated even more.

[Bacon and Egg]

In Playing with Elements, our last game. Wisdom went through House and Silverwolf as scumreads

VOTE: sonic boom

stop fucking misrepping. I never scumread House or SW in that game.

[Bacon and Egg]

There is literally zero town motivation in anything TWIE posts

There is zero scum motivation in anything TWIE has posted.

[Bacon and Egg]

Really, you don't remember their big fight. I distinctly recall you doing nothing and encouraging that fight because one of them had to be scum.

No, I kept telling they are both town. But fucking twist some more facts.

[Bacon and Egg]

Wis, your big time defending (if TwIe is town) is like tye manner in which mastina defended Total Wreck in duck tales on d2 there.

and she was right, your point?

[Bacon and Egg]

yeah wisdom had one mislynch lets misrep him to infinity

[Bacon and Egg]

Im not removing my vote from you until you fucking stop tunneling on TWIE. It is fucking tiring. LISTEN to fucking others for once.

[Bacon and Egg]

I have provided one thousand reads that are scum. You are not fucking listening. You are not fucking listening to fucking anyone, ever, in any fucking game. I am fucking sick. I don't care for a dialogue. Get lynched.

[Bacon and Egg]

I tried everything I could to make them realize both of them are town. Just how much more are you going to lie?

[Bacon and Egg]

You don't tear people down while actually trying to get people to get along.

I nowhere did such a thing. You are still lying.

[Bacon and Egg]

singer are you really asking me if I have replied to a non-point?

All of Titus's bullshit are Titus's make-believe. TWIE has nowhere tried to stall and has nowhere rejected to produce reads.

[Bacon and Egg]

none of these quotes help your point

keep failing

[Bacon and Egg]

eh its the same shit more or less. I was shouting we should lynch dave there and nobody was listening to me. And Titus was tunneling on every townie in the game.

[Bacon and Egg]

wow guys TWIE is scum because he didn't vote

[Bacon and Egg]

Yes, Wisdom keeps yelling to lynch... not group scum.

Because an SK isn't scum, right? We didn't need to lynch him to win the game. We were better off lynching MathBlade, wgeurts, and the other townies you just wouldn't stop tunneling on no matter how much I was shouting at you.

[Bacon and Egg]

What about it is a non-point? She makes a very good point about how it's very easy for scum to just coast by and if by happenstance get caught, their team is safe. You say he's "no where stalled or no where denied producing reads" but where is he doing it voluntarily? Where's the transparency? What lack of scum motivation specifically made you think he was town?

How about you show me where he purposefully stalled or refused to produce reads, with a clear intent of achieving what Titus and apparently you too claim?

unhydrate

hydrate: AP

cant believe I accepted hydrating signer.

[Bacon and Egg]

I mean seriously, you are not a player of such a fucking low level. Titus is just pulling things out of nowhere and you are acting as if she is saying something valid.

[Bacon and Egg]

Yes, Wisdom keeps yelling to lynch... not group scum.

Because an SK isn't scum, right? We didn't need to lynch him to win the game. We were better off lynching MathBlade, wgeurts, and the other townies you just wouldn't stop tunneling on no matter how much I was shouting at you.

They shouldn't read as groupscum at first. They are alone and should look like it. Catching an SK is just luck, not skill.

~Titus

ahahaha

This, guys, is the kind of players we're playing with.

[Bacon and Egg]

Where he would talk more if Sonic Boom would shut up. Here's a hint, he didn't so I stopped shutting up.

This is still a lie, he nowhere said that. All he said was "you have Sonic Boom guys, you don't need me". The rest if your own misrep.

[Bacon and Egg]

is*

[Bacon and Egg]

Wisdom also shot ActionDan, got Titus hydra lynched, and then shot Ankamius. All 3 scum.

You were saying, MS?

[Bacon and Egg]

Kagami was just as useless as Ricastle here. It's not my fault that some townies just want to get lynched.

[Bacon and Egg]

MS. You've been tunneling on TWIE since D1. I know Titus and I know how she won't listen to anyone. But you can listen. Fucking drop this tunnel. TWIE is not scum.

[Bacon and Egg]

You know what? Pick anyone other than Seiko, TWIE, Generic, HH and Bert and I'll wagon them with you. Anyone. This game is not fucking going anywhere if we keep ego fighting.

pedit: @ms

[Bacon and Egg]

Is there a reason you keep sluffing the burden of proof onto other people? It seems like you're incapable of proving your points outside of "no YOU do it" and when people are being accommodating, you dismiss it as...what? "I don't believe you because you don't agree with me"? If you're really claiming to be the great scum hunter you are, you should probably work on your ability to get people to believe you.

Are you listening to yourself?

You are claiming that you agree with Titus that TWIE did something scummy. YOU have to show me where he did it, I can't show you where he didn't.

[Bacon and Egg]

The burden of proof IS on the one who is making the accusation, not on the one who is disagreeing with it.

[Bacon and Egg]

yeah guys this makes sense

Titus: I claim TWIE killed two innocent cats yesterday. Scum.
Wisdom: But where do you see that happening in the thread? Are you crazy?
singer: You are not showing us how TWIE didn't kill the cats.

dunno. Maybe it's me that has gone crazy but I dont see how I can fucking prove how things that didn't happen didn't happen.

[Bacon and Egg]

you'd realize that Wisdom and I are trying to work together.

lol

no I am not trying to work with you.

crazy confirmed

[Bacon and Egg]

ms you're ignoring me I see. Nice.

[Bacon and Egg]

Then what is this if not trying to work with us?

im trying to work with ms, not with you.

[Bacon and Egg]

I'm willing to lynch either one of you at this point.

and like that singer dodges

And nobody is even going to care about how singer aligned with Titus's bullshit here.

[Bacon and Egg]

lol and now she even votes sonic boom

[Bacon and Egg]

I am talking about signer.

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VOTE: singer

Can I get anyone at all to care about how singer enters my 1v1 with Titus to align herself with Titus's logic that makes zero goddamn sense and after that she completely gets out of it and votes Titus?

[Bacon and Egg]

i need to take a break from this fucking shit.

You all need to understand one thing. Scum are sitting back and enjoying the chaos we are giving them. Scum like singer, randomidget, Mario, Oversoul. And we sit here and fight each other.

Let's wagon singer. Every fucking time she posts she makes it obvious she is scum yet it's like I'm the only one who is seeing it, since the beginning.

[Bacon and Egg]

I missed that post, but that just makes it even worse. You were not just asking me to explain a non-point, you were asking me to explain a GENERIC non-point that has to do with scumhunting in general and not TWIE.

[Bacon and Egg]

if you're going to be asking me where i see scum motivation in obvscum then yeah you should

[Bacon and Egg]

im really bad at explaining things that I feel are obvious. That said, I understand you are not in my mind and you don't experience things as I do. So I'll try describing what I see in this thread.

Titus, being Titus, wants to believe that TWIE is scum. For whatever reason. For that purpose, she sees everything TWIE does as scummy. TWIE breathes? He wasn't supposed to breathe, he's scum. TWIE posts "you don't need me to post guys, you have Sonic Boom"? He really meant that if Sonic Boom shuts up he will post reads. TWIE decides to troll, answering to the treatment he received out of the game? It's a scummy playstyle designed to avoid giving reads. TWIE doesn't vote? It's because he needs to avoid Titus's VCA, of course!

But see, I know Titus is Titus. So I understand thinking like that. And I also understand her pride. She doesn't want to accept she is wrong and she doesn't want to accept I am right. So we get into an ego fight.

But then, singer comes along and sides with this abyss that is Titus's mind. She tries to argue that Titus is right and that *I* have to explain where TWIE *didn't* try to stall the game, didn't have ill intent in producing reads, didn't do the things Titus is saying. *I* have to do that, Titus doesn't have to explain where it *did* happen. The burden of proof is on *me*, not Titus, and I am dodging when I claim that it's Titus who has to answer.

But no, apparently singer wasn't even agreeing about TWIE! She was just doing this to agree with Titus that *scum in general* may play like Titus was arguing, as if my objection towards Titus was that *scum in general* don't play like that. And she votes Titus to top it off.

Yeah. So this doesn't make any fucking goddamn sense to me. This is not even the first time she is doing it. The first time she asked me why TWIE is town was in the exact same scenario. I was trying to make Titus explain why TWIE is scum and she got in the middle and asked me to explain why TWIE is town. And she was in her "break" at the time. And she never followed that up.

I don't understand and I don't buy any of that. I don't know how the fuck else to explain it. She is trying to look like she's involving herself in things when in fact she doesn't. And then she just doesn't say anything else, doesn't follow up with anything, and all is good. And then she even claims that nobody important is scumreading her, because that's how confident she feels.

I don't fucking understand how I am the only one who sees this is all fucking bullshit.

[Bacon and Egg]

interrupting an argument means nothing, I do it too all the time. If that's what you think the point was I failed completely.

Sorry, I can't explain my mind. It's the single thing I can't do. That's why I hate cases.

pedit: @cheet

[Bacon and Egg]

TWIE never asked Sonic Boom to shut up. Titus made that up.

[Bacon and Egg]

Why does it feel like this stands out so vividly in your memory from over 100 pages ago?

What are you even implying here? I remember everything that has happened in the game since the page I started posting.

[Bacon and Egg]

That was to indicate what Titus claimed the purpose was. Reread what I said.

[Bacon and Egg]

And yeah, I was implying that this seems such a huge thing to you and worth hardcore defending a townread while unsuccessfully advocating for the lynch on a scumread...it's a dynamic I'm unfamiliar with.

What seems like a huge thing to me? Do you even understand the situation? Titus brings up these bullshit as them being reasons for TWIE being scum and suddenly I am the one who thinks these things are huge? You have completely twisted this.

[Bacon and Egg]

ns you're another one who's tunneling and needs to stop. Titus is tiring to deal with, but she's town. stop with this obsession.

[Bacon and Egg]

yeah maybe you should fucking not ignore me because we are not getting anywhere if we continue fighting each other.

[Bacon and Egg]

Are you for real, singer?

Titus, being Titus, wants to believe that TWIE is scum. For whatever reason. For that purpose, she sees everything TWIE does as scummy. TWIE breathes?

He wasn't supposed to breathe, he's scum.

TWIE posts "you don't need me to post guys, you have Sonic Boom"?

He really meant that if Sonic Boom shuts up he will post reads.

TWIE decides to troll, answering to the treatment he received out of the game?

It's a scummy playstyle designed to avoid giving reads.

TWIE doesn't vote?

It's because he needs to avoid Titus's VCA, of course!

There, I italicized Titus's "answers" for you. Because it obviously wasn't obvious before!

[Bacon and Egg]

GiF said you weren't even around at the beginning of the game so it felt really out of place that you remembered the details of this particular scenario so long after the fact, despite currently discussing why Titus thinks he's scum (I was implying it was something you noticed as a scum buddy in case that wasn't obvious).

Except we are still talking about something Titus pointed to, which I looked at, and figured Titus was making up, meaning you are not making the slightest amount of sense.

[Bacon and Egg]

There is a wagon swinging on sonic scum.

you're the only one in the whole game who thinks Sonic is scum. And obviously wrong.

Stop it. When I said about having to stop fighting I meant the town as a whole. The thread is full of ego fights. It needs to stop.

[Bacon and Egg]

I'm not fucking saying YOU are getting in an ego fight goddamnit

What is with people failing to understand anything in this thread it's so fucking frustrating

[Bacon and Egg]

15. Espsyoncheage (Anenien+wgeurts+tbone) - Sonic's reading them as town but some doubts on them

buddying Wisdom

. #2818 is an example of a post that alarms Sonic. That dropped the read significantly. I however townread the slot pretty hard.

what?

I don't even.

I feel like people just randomly post things without having any idea what's what at this point.

[Bacon and Egg]

like Tbone fucking hates me and wants me dead and Titus thinks he's buddying me.

wtf else will we see in this game

[Bacon and Egg]

They both spampost as town too though, why does there have to be ill intent here?

pedit: @ns

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Yes I understand what you're saying, what I don't understand is why you're seeing this as "they are scum, filling the thread with spampost to induce apathy" vs "they are town, filling the thread with spampost."

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No? It's a fact they post like this as town

[Bacon and Egg]

meaning, null

What are the connections to other things?

[Bacon and Egg]

2 and 3 are null - they spam anyway.

1 sounds silly. He's scum because he didn't do exactly what you expected? eeh.

[Bacon and Egg]

No I am not calling them null, I am calling them town. And we're not doing policy lynches.

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There is no wagon dude, two people just voted them because they were frustrated. You're clearly not reading.

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At least HH was frustrated. singer was just opportunistic.

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Again, Cheet just voted him because he was annoyed with Titus telling him to shut up. He will obviously go back to voting for a scumread when he calms down.

singer is scum, but of course you don't agree with this.

There's no wagon on Sonic nor will there be. It's not the time for policy lynches.

[Bacon and Egg]

bert why do you constantly think you will be considered scummy? I think these cases where you speak your mind do just the opposite, show you are town.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices that with singer. She just asks the weirdest things that make no sense in context and then just doesn't follow up. This is supposed to be the town play that is going to win the paragon scummie?

[Bacon and Egg]

I am pushing TWIE as a scum lynch.

Oh really? Why is TWIE scum again?

~Wis

Why

isn't

he scum?

Reminder of what I was talking about before - this is back in page 53. I was trying to get reasons for TWIE-scum from Titus and there was singer trying to ask me why he's town instead.

[Bacon and Egg]

And after the latest conversation with her I realize that both that question and this question:

Wis how likely do you think it is that scum would trade themselves for an unknown PR for a teammate on day 1?

how does this happen?

~Wis

Scum gets hydrated and gives teammate a pr.

Scum gets crosskilled.

This is a really weird hypothetical question not knowing how the numbers lay...why ask Wisdom? (I might've missed the context in my perusing) Also, what's the interest at this point with no flips or any real wagons at this point?

were aimed at implying there is a connection between me and TWIE. Something singer is still trying to imply.

So I am changing my case - singer isn't trying to look like she is participating; she is also trying to imply connections between people, essentially trying to paint a narrative.

[Bacon and Egg]

Especially given that the answer to the latter question was obvious for anyone who had read the context - TWIE was arguing that Ricastle, who I was pushing, could be town due to asking to be hydrated. But singer ignored the context so she can make her implication.

Of course the answer is going to be "No, she was V/LA, and she missed the context, hell she even says in the post that she might have missed the context" but I actually think that THAT'S why she says in the post that she might have missed the context. Because she KNOWS she has missed the context.

[Bacon and Egg]

And that becomes more evident with her more recent claims. She is not V/LA anymore, right? Yet she is ignoring the context once again so she can push implications about me and TWIE. In 3229/3239 she acts as if I claimed that TWIE meant that he will post reads when it's obvious both that I was sarcastically voicing Titus in my post and that Titus has been arguing this all game.

Either singer does not pay any attention, misunderstands things, then accuses people based on her misunderstandings, or she is scum and she knows exactly what she is doing. The former feels like what people like Titus or mollie would do, not someone who vigged all the scum in Team Mafia and is nominated for paragon. So I am not buying it.

[Bacon and Egg]

(I might've missed the context in my perusing)

Like, why, if you think there's a chance you've missed the context, you ask anyway, instead of reading to see if you missed something?

If you feel guilty that you are going against the context however, you mention this to cover yourself.

[Bacon and Egg]

Another example. Here I question ZZZX's townread on singer - he claimed he is not seeing scum-singer so I was asking how many games he had to base that on.

How many games have you played with scum-singer?

~Wis

I only have two scum games in the last three years and one of them was a newbie game, one of them I had to be force replaced (THANKS METAL SONIC AND QUADZ).

She gets in the way, answering it herself, effectively making it unneeded for ZZZX to answer and not letting me get where I want (to tell ZZZX that metaing off a single game is weak).

I of course, continue what I wanted to do, despite this annoyance, and I post 2050. singer continues speaking for ZZZX (2051). The exchange continues and then singer accuses me that *I* got in the way and didn't let him answer to HER question:

Anyway, it would've been SO AWESOME if you could've let him answer my question before telling him he was bullshitting.

[Bacon and Egg]

I can go on and on but I feel like I am tiring you at this point so can I get all of you to look at singer again and again? Especially her exchanges with me.

[Bacon and Egg]

Nobody shares your bullshit about me being a determent. You are making that make believe and cannot use it as an argument.

[Bacon and Egg]

Generic and HH, not fucking again. Please, I made a point about how the town egofighting has to stop. That applies to you two as well.

[Bacon and Egg]

@Psyche

I explained what's on my mind regarding singer as well as I could. That's a thousand times more than what I did for Ricastle.

[Bacon and Egg]

I am waiting for people to vote singer or otherwise comment on everything I said.

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Oh man if only you didn't give me shit for wanting Wisdom lynched because he causes most of the fighting and makes the game unpleasant and then VOTED SONIC BOOM for fighting and making the game unpleasant for you. This is MY fault how? That I'm calling yo out on it? You're damn right you're gonna get called out on it when you have been shitting on me for doing the same thing. This is YOUR fault don't try to play the victim here.

The guy was frustrated because Titus was telling him to shut up, way to fucking spin this into hypocrisy using standards that are not even widely accepted (Wisdom is a determent)

[Bacon and Egg]

ZZZX what do you think about my points on singer?

[Bacon and Egg]

Multiple people ASKED him to tone down his egoposting. THAT'S ALL ANYONE FUCKING WANTED

Nope, just you

[Bacon and Egg]

I didn't start out like this. I ASKED Wisdom to tone it down. Multiple people ASKED him to tone down his egoposting. THAT'S ALL ANYONE FUCKING WANTED. The problem is Wisdom ALWAYS HAS to have the last word, Wisdom ALWAYS HAS TO be right, Wisdom ALWAYS HAS TO shove his opinion down everyone's throat, Wisdom ALWAYS HAS TO shout anyone and everyone down who doesn't share his view on the game. So yes HH when you are shitting on me for wanting to lynch THAT, and then you turn around in a fit of your own frustration and vote for Sonic Boom because he is pissing you off, THAT makes you a hypocrite and I am all too happy to call you out on it because I have been dealing with people shitting on my desire to lynch Wisdom for most of the game.

The problem is your obsession with me is fake. Nobody gets so annoyed with me ever, because I haven't done anything wrong beyond being loud, as I usually do. That's the difference between you and Cheetory who genuinely got annoyed with Titus's bullshit.

[Bacon and Egg]

The 100% certainty you push is pretty bullshit and if I hadn't agreed on Ricastle I think I probably would have been annoyed with you too.
It's pretty annoying with singer too.

How is it annoying with singer? I wasted a fucking hour to go back through her ISO to try and explain what's wrong with her and nobody except Bert has not even given signs of reading anything I said.

[Bacon and Egg]

MS cut the fucking bullshit, why would you step away from the game? If Titus wants a break she can have a break.

[Bacon and Egg]

Vitriolic is an understatement. Everyone looks like they have stopped caring about finding scum and only care about having egofights.

[Bacon and Egg]

I have said more than that, Cheet.. come on. Don't make me feel like I cannot fucking explain shit. How do you get that my problem is she sided with Titus?

[Bacon and Egg]

I'm talking about 3281 through 3287 btw Cheet, not that one answer I gave you before that

[Bacon and Egg]

That's not why I'm calling her scum, but okay

pedit: @cheet

[Bacon and Egg]

Look, they replaced out because you were being a prick to them. No don't make excuses, they replaced out because of you, whether you think it was an overreaction or not.

Nope. You have yet to show me how I was out of line and warranted a replacement. You are just spamming "omg you made them replace out" but cannot back it up.