Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 1 Mafia(game over!)

[Narninian]

Vote: Millar13 [//b] because he s hows up as scum during investigations.

Seriously, though. I'm deep space nine. Everyone loses if I'm lynched or killed so just keep me alive the whole game.

[Narninian]

Now that you can see me, I'm as real as thee.
Someone must guess my name by the end of day three.

Ludicrous: Your character's name, or your main's name? If the latter, sod off. Also, why no vote?

@Ludicrous: what's the profit in knowing your name?1

These words are not mine, they are given to me.
I speak them by a more potent being's incontrovertible decree.
I did not vote, the day's only just begun, you see.
During times of such violence, I prefer to maintain neutrality.

god damn, if thats crumbing or something just claim. Scum will be able to figure out better than town anyway
or dont crumb.

if its not a claim or crumb than its just annoying.

since I forgot to bold my last vote I'll make my first official vote for this poem/crumb/claim/whatever nonsense.

VOTE: The archmage Ludicrous

[Narninian]

UNVOTE

ok, I thought it was your choice. fair enough

[Narninian]

Goddamnit. PB! Good to have you aboard. Now die

vote: Peacebringer

p.s.

Doesnt matter. aesthetic

I spose it figures that a wannabe professional politician is voting for a Peacebringer.

Questionnaire:

1. How would you rate how good of a player you think you are based on the amount of experience you have had on a scale of 1-9 with 1 being very very poor and 9 being very very well?

Do you have a semi-updated wiki?

Do you enjoy playing as town, scum or a 3p role the most. Specify and explain please.

I'll go first.

1. 6

2. yes.

3. VT because I am still inexperienced and it is the least complicated role to play IMO.

1. 2 at getting people to believe Im not scum (As any faction); 6/7 as figuring out who is scum (though I usually doubt myself)
2. nope
3. Some sort of non-conventional (pro-town) power role. I like seeing how I can use the unique power to town's best advantage.

[Narninian]

are you one of the prophets ludicrious?

I find it intereting and Ludicrous are questing Hostile intent for voting me with a 'naked' vote but Lickity did the same thing after that vote.

[Narninian]

are you one of the prophets ludicrious?

I find it intereting and Ludicrous are questing Hostile intent for voting me with a 'naked' vote but Lickity did the same thing after that vote.

You are correct, i did do that.

Man I left out a lot of letters in my post.

It should read interesting, and questioning. not intereting and questing.

[Narninian]

yup, CDB started the wagon, you continued it and Lickity had the latest vote, but two 2 different people question Hostile intent, the 2nd vote specifically instead of the 1st or the third.

[Narninian]

Is that the Jaffa character?

[Narninian]

Why do you want to PL me?

[Narninian]

fair enough.

[Narninian]

I forgot about that episode. Strange choice of Character, though I suppose we should see some surprises.

[Narninian]

WTF is with all this policy lynching Narninian nonsense.
No, I've never been policy lynched before not has it ever been suggested before this game.
Also, there is absolutely no reason to policy lynch me this game.

About LicketyQuickety:

Things I like:
Calling out HI on BS 'try hard' line
Trying to get conversation started and leave RVS out of the game

Things I don't like:
Calling a vote a Rolefish
Asking if I should be policy lynched for absolutely no reason
Talking about policy lynching him for no reason.
saying anything he does is fine because it gets information.
Constantly talking about how he is tactical and strategic.

[Narninian]

day 1 lynches (at least here) don't just randomly happen.
It takes pressure to get to the point where somebody is actually in danger of being lynched.
If there are multiple wagons then it takes pressure for one to be picked over the other.
Mafia will be involved at some point and we get information.

No lynch is not something I'd agree to.

[Narninian]

Well in the episode its Marritza, altered to the apperance of 'Gul Darhe'el' and pretending to be Gul Darhe'el pretending be Marritza.
Interestly, Odo (the ship cop) uncovered this. Its probably the closest thing to a built-in miller character of the season, but some details dont add up.
At this point we'd be trying to outguess the mod though if we're not going to believe the claim because of flavor.

[Narninian]

More Lickety vs Everyone else... ugh.

I actually agree with everyoe else, Lickety's votes do not help town at all, and unfortunately 15 pages in most of the posts are all about lickety.


Lickety: You've claimed to know stuff not everyone else knows. Scum knows *way* more than everyone else knows so if you are town and you have legit information you should probably spill, now that you've left the cat out of the bag.
Its hard to see what you *could* know without a night phase, but hey - if you're going to spill don't half ass it.

[Narninian]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6883832

Though I don't want to get lynched and I know it would be bad for town, I will both claim and provide prolly a pretty shitty reads list before the hammer vote.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p6884467

I would really prefer to be lynched over vig killed. I am strong about that and I not going to give my reason now.

...

And your under the assumption that we have VT in this game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6885331

In post 334, Klingoncelt wrote:
"All we know for sure is that Mafia knows who among us isn't Mafia."

LicketyQuickety wrote:
That isn't all I know but glad your not making assumptions.

You're softclaiming some type of info role.

A word to the wise, claiming or softclaiming, or even hinting on Day 1 is never a good idea unless you're at L-1.

certainly means he's more likely to be scum, but its considered the right play for a miller as well.
The flavor is kind of legit I suppose, although investigatinos led to the knowledge he was innocent.

[Narninian]

I definietly quoted the wrong post there.
I meant to respond to the very short post about what this site thinks about miller claims

[Narninian]

Unfortunately there are no weapons allowed on the promenade, so no sticks.
You'll just have to yell.

[Narninian]

you know what; this is BS

vote: Licketyquickity

[Narninian]

1) I'm having a hard to buying your claim --- I'm not discounting it either but I could easily see it being a scum ploy
2) It was *Really* dumb to get to the point where you had to claim that role this early. I wasn't pushing for it admittedly but you were hinting at hidden knowledge
3) if dying at night doesn't prevent the day skip its probably better to 'get it over' with than spend all town resources trying to protect you.

[Narninian]

*was pushing

[Narninian]

I still think he's scum and that it'd be better to get the day skip out of the way earlier.

[Narninian]

dunno, but gene roddenberry sounds like a bullshit claim.

[Narninian]

Spoiler:

Kling claiming they have a ton of experience and Narn not getting it.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6883832

Though I don't want to get lynched and I know it would be bad for town, I will both claim and provide prolly a pretty shitty reads list before the hammer vote.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p6884467

I would really prefer to be lynched over vig killed. I am strong about that and I not going to give my reason now.

...

And your under the assumption that we have VT in this game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6885331

In post 334, Klingoncelt wrote:
"All we know for sure is that Mafia knows who among us isn't Mafia."

LicketyQuickety wrote:
That isn't all I know but glad your not making assumptions.

You're softclaiming some type of info role.

A word to the wise, claiming or softclaiming, or even hinting on Day 1 is never a good idea unless you're at L-1.

certainly means he's more likely to be scum, but its considered the right play for a miller as well.
The flavor is kind of legit I suppose, although investigatinos led to the knowledge he was innocent.

You missed the post where I explain I was quotin the wrong thing, I was clearly responding to the person about about sitemeta on millar claims.

[Narninian]

Even though the wagon left town, I still think Licquickety's claim is BS and seems like the best place to park my vote.

[Narninian]

OK, things to think about: Why the hell did I claim so freaking early... every freaking time I play this game I end up claiming day one and half the time I win and half the time I lose... well technically I'm 4/3 with a win and lose as mafia and no 3p games played. Those are completed games.

Indeed. Claiming early is normally not a great thing to do unless you're close to being lynched (like 1/2 votes away), it can help us lynch scum(which apart from a counterclaim I dont see this working day 1), or to stop us from lynching somebody you know is innocent (masons?). Claiming early as a BELOVED princess, that also triggers upon a night death means you are lying (which combined with the gene roddenberry flavor is what I believe) or you are working against town interests.

[Narninian]

I mean vanilla or weak townie could just as easily be a role somebody doesn't like as scum so I wouldn't read too much into that and focus more on what the replacement does.

[Narninian]

Zabing is all over the board and I will also be looking closer at this replacement.
I see frustrated scum wanting replacement so often when they're being pressured.

I still prefer a LQ lynch though, for very much the same reasons I've already stated (and while I was posting what CDB said).
Primarily, the claim is simply not believable --- and the way it came out was sketchy as well. I think he is scum and I want to lynch him.
Secondarily, if Im wrong, its my opinion that its better to trigger earlier before scum has good information on who to kill.

[Narninian]

process of elimination.
But I agree with nero, you can't really 'town hunt' easily. Especially with no dead players for allegience references.

[Narninian]

that logic doesn't hold water.
Its also a bad play for town.

Arguably I'd say its a better play for scum than for town. because being safe from lynching until lynch or lose is pretty awesome.

[Narninian]

Although, @Narn, I will not uphold that it's a good play for scum to claim BP day one. It's purely bad for scum to engineer a situation in which they have confirmed themself as scum. It lets town focus on rooting out other scum, the only situation where it isn't worth is if the scum in question is some game-altering super role. And even then, you're making it so that your game-altering super role is a 100% lynch on LyLo.

And I'll maintain its not good play for town to claim the same role (especially with nightkill triggering it) day 1.
We can't use 'its bad for scum to do this' logic to say they're town if its bad for town to do it too.

[Narninian]

LicketyQuickety has claimed beloved Prince -- Gene Rodenberry, who if lynched (OR KILLED at night) will cause us to skip a day phase.

[Narninian]

Claims:

LQ ~ Beloved Prince ~ (Gene Roddenberry)
Saint ~ Miller ~ That alien dude that pretended to be another alien dude to be found guilty
TAL ~ ??? ~ Rumplestiltskin
Sinsun ~ (Weaker than VT) ~ ???

[Narninian]

I'm confident enough in the LQ lynch to risk being a bandwagon target if I'm wrong

[Narninian]

It's not a lie to say that your claimed flavour is not a character from season 1 of DS9, LQ.

Gene Roddenbury is the creator I believe. That makes sense for a BP claim because without the creator, none would exist.

Second, why would he claim that as scum? Surely the mod would provide a fakeclaim right?

Why besides the claim, is LQ scum?

I don't really buy into the shouldn't claim that as scum argument as
He shouldn't claim that as town either, especially considering that killing him at night triggers the day skip.

He wasn't in any immediate danger of lynch (So should't have claimed it as town) , but there were people wanting to vote for him for behavior. As soon as the claim came people started advocating not lynching him ever, so I could see a benefit for scum fakeclaiming this.

Roddenberry was not the creator of deep space nine, Berman was and Roddenberry was dead during the first season production/airing. A quick google for star trek would give you his name to use for a fake claim though

[Narninian]

not trying to be dense here, but just for the record who is pisskop?

[Narninian]

also, he didn't create, write, produce, direct or anything to the show.

[Narninian]

No that's basically it, Per5.

Fair shout, PeeBee. We shall incite riots on the morrow.

Then that's dumb.

1. Death by lynch gives scum 2 extra nightkills.
2. Death by NK only give them 1 extra NK.
3. He's got 250+ posts. If I go back, am I going to find a REALLY high fluff/content ratio? I doubt it.


But, I'll keep reading, but preliminary on Liquety lynch is

NO BUENO

.

Its not it;
We (well I at least, and some others) also believe he is scum. The gene roddenberry claim is just not something I can buy.
Post count should not be a lynch save.

I don't agree with your "2" extra nightkills vs 1 extra nightkill logic. His death (whether its at night or day) will give them 1 extra night kill

*IF*

he is town.
Sure they don't have to kill him, which means they can kill somebody else - but thats not an extra nightkill, its still the lynch that killed him.

[Narninian]

IF he is town and Beloved prince and they kill him. They will get 2 night kills, LQ + 1 other town.
If he is town and beloved prince and we lynch him. They will get 2 nights kills (2 other town members).

The extra kill you're referring to is our lynch, not a nightkill.
So in summary we if we lynch a town person, a town person dies. This is not an extra nightkill for scum, its just a myslynch. Obviously we want to avoid mislynches, but if I was convinced LQ was town, I would be more willing to entertain holding off on his lynch. I *still* think its better he dies earlier than later if he's town though.

This is admittedly a silly argument and semantics but you brought up 'extra nightkill' which isn't a thing that is going to happen from lynching vs death at night.

[Narninian]

no, I'm not advocating lynching town.
I think we should lynch scum --- I just happen to believe LQ is scum.

People are commenting on his role, and what if we're wrong. Well my point is if we're wrong its still better he dies earlier than later.
2 people die in the first example, and 3 in the second example is because we lynched town, not because of an extra night kill. We could easily mislynch if we targetted someone other than LQ. He is my biggest scum suspect.

For LicketyQuickety: The reason I want you dead is nothing personal. I don't believe your claim, and in most cases if someone is lying they are scum.

I also think if you are not lying lynching you now is not the worse case scenario. The longer you live as town, the more powerful your kill will be, as the later in the game it is, the more likely they'll hit important Power roles (fewer choices). As sinsun pointed it, later also means its more likely that town will have diminished benefits as well from a double night, and scum will have much better information to use for targetting their kills.

[Narninian]

Fuck it, full disclosure time.

I'm a 2-shot Day Oracle.

I get to ask two questions during day phases of the game.

Mod gives me "Yes." or "No." answers.

Guess what I asked him.


Can we please lynch scum now?

neat

[Narninian]

damn it - there goes my deep space nine claim

[Narninian]

LicketyQuickety[10] - Narninian, ChannelDelibird, Sinsun1, HostileIntent,Saint, Titus, KlingonCelt, Zabing, Peacebring, Dave, Lickety. (L-2)

is what I got from a quick glance.

[Narninian]

apparently I can't count - I got 11 too.

[Narninian]

I'm sure the hammer will come.

Hostile intent and LicketyQuickety claims clearly contradict each other.
so there are few possibilities.

A) Hostile intent is telling the truth; Lickety is scum and lying about his claim (this is what I think is true).
B) Hostile intent is lying; Lickety is telling the truth and town. Probably the case if lickety turns up town
C) Hostile Intent is telling the truth, but Monkeyman considers Gene Roddenberry a character even though he was dead before the show aired. I think we can just outright dismiss this one.
D) Hostile intent is telling the truth but is insane so gets opposite answers. it would be nice to see flavor to weigh this possibility, but not much we can do about it at this point.

[Narninian]

seems pretty trival, although I'm not sure I'd want to do it as we'll probably find out the answer shortly.

A) Is Narninian still alive?
B) Are there more than 1 mafia
C) Are there at least 2 town?
D) Are there any characters from deep space nine?
E) Is 'name of Hostile Intent's character' in this game?

[Narninian]

you wouldn't just trying to answer his question :p

[Narninian]

alright LicketyQuickety - it looks like you have 5 hours to give your thoughts if you are town.

[Narninian]

alright LicketyQuickety - it looks like you have 5 hours to give your thoughts if you are town.

This whole post is scummy.

He doesn't direct any questions at me and expect it to be left all up to me to prove everything and that is either Anti-Town or Scummy.

You have nothing to prove; We'll find out whether you are telling the truth soon enough.
If you are scum we'll ignore everything you have to say - so you can't really help your team one way or the other.

If you are town though, you'll be the only player everybody knows doesn't have a hidden agenda with their thoughts.
I don't have questions for you other than who do you feel is scum, and perhaps why. We'll have to dig into this on our own going forward but you won't be able to.

[Narninian]

I lied.

[Narninian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgce06Yw2ro

[Narninian]

btw, I was roleblocked last night but not N1.

There's a missing kill n2 just saying.

Oh and a gladiator forces a lynch between themselves and one other person.

not necessarily, the extra death could have been from hiding behind the wrong person.

[Narninian]

Senator was first for a LQ lynch, but then was against it when we started discussing how even if he was town it'd be good for LQ to die early for multiple reasons he was against it. Sure it could be simply not understanding the best town approach, or I'll just go ahead and respect his analytical abilities and assume he knew exactly which approach to take for his side to win.

VOTE: Senator

I would like to begin by saying anyone who thinks Id off any of those people is a sillyhead.

Like its great scum practice to murderize people you argue with

This post just feels like it was planned' after he chose his targets so he could say it.

[Narninian]

or you know - when I happened to have gotten a chance to look a the thread.
Vote count was a bonus though, because I knew you weren't like l-2 or something.

[Narninian]

I don't understand 'soft' roleclaims at all.
Scum is way better equipped to pick up non-obvious role claims than town is.

[Narninian]

I'm sure you'd love if we just all forgot about you and looked elsewhere, but the fact is you're the focus right now.

[Narninian]

Senator has basically called most of the town scum at this point so any bandwagon thats not his he'd easily be able to jump on. There currently isn't a strong alternative though.

[Narninian]

nope

[Narninian]

unvote senator

this was way too easy.

[Narninian]

Nevermind that I only just recently said I wanted the info for myself. She keeps adapting her story

Should she just ignore all posts and not adapt?

[Narninian]

So with some strong presence of anti-town roles (beloved prince, worse than normal, miller) presumably the books are balanced.
One theory I have is Rumpelstiltskin. His post restriction made him a target to be looked at at least early. the character he was in had a couple other characters that were part of his group: Buck Bokai, an Alternative Jazdia.
They weren't inherently hostile in the episode, but their presence did cause danger. I could seem them being a scumgroup, I also feel he was on the wrong side of the fence regarding LQ's lynch.

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.
.

and then I read that buck bocki was dead and is town. so back to the drawing board.

[Narninian]

My current Reads Town -> Scum

I don't really have much solid to go on as far as catching scum, but do see some decent town effort.

Confirmed Town
Narninian

Town Lean
Thor665 --- By role really.


Slight Town Lean
Littlegumball - just a vibe I got from day 1 (hopefully she stops lurking today)
SinSun1
Titus
Simply Because I agree with their logic

Senator (not by his posts mind you, I find the altslips and calling everybody scum annoying, just how easy the wagon was to build)

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I haven't seen anything damning to call somebody scum yet, but will keep reading.

[Narninian]

As you see from my (limited) reads list I only find people Im leaning towards as town and no giant scum flags yet.
I do think we need some pressure to get more reactions/movement so I'm going to sheep thor for now; His claim is pretty solid; It could be a mod provided fake claim but I don't see scum claiming that (and doing the fake post restriction) for a third party that wouldn't clearly be town based on the lore (Rumpelstiltskin + friends could have caused some harm)

VOTE: Peacebringer

[Narninian]

There was also the fact that hostile intent basically called him scum with a fake claim and we thought the claim was fake. a

[Narninian]

I don't really focusing on the hider is big enough evidence to say anything by itself.
I can't only put myself in maxwell's shoes. If *I* were the hider I would have felt safest hiding behind the miller -- because why would scum kill the miller?
Then again if I were the hider, I would *also* try to crumb where I was hiding in case I died -- if this is the case clearly its CDB.

I was happy with CDB's posts yesterday and am just going for what I think the obvious choice was, hiding behind the miller.

[Narninian]

You've convinced me more than my current vote;

so

unvote

Vote ChannelDelibird

[Narninian]

I can't sum up the whole game with one post, so I'll just explain my current vote:

Maxwell was a hider who dies if he targets scum. His last post felt he was crumbing that he'd hide behind Channeldelibird and he died. At first I thought It would make sense to hide behind the miller, but the miller claim could be a fake claim for scum so it might be risky to do that and he probably would have posted differently so that he didn't inidicate he was hiding behind CDB. The second night there was only 1 death - so the simplest explanation is that the first night there was 2 deaths because of the hider picking scum, and the second night there was the normal 1 death.

[Narninian]

Just what are you DOING with that hammer to titus thor?

[Narninian]

I'm basically V/LA the rest of today and tommorow during the day. I will do an ISO of RIP when I can though, my guts this would be a decent wagon though.

[Narninian]

I'm also happy with my vote; buy replacements dont get a free pass.

[Narninian]

*but

[Narninian]

I can think of a couple characters that would make sense to be 'bulletproof'

[Narninian]

I wish I could troll you some more

I really really really really hate this.

[Narninian]

unvote

I buy the bashir claim.
looking at the other options.

[Narninian]

so basically anybody that wants to vote you must be scum?

[Narninian]

VOTE: RIP

sheeping titus

[Narninian]

prod dodge.

[Narninian]

Basically I can't post from work anymore so that is one reason I haven't posted in a couple of days. The weekend is coming up of course.
I find RIP's flailing at me for voting him somewhat amusing. I'm not just looking for an easy wagon, its simply false

[Narninian]

The summary on me is I haven't posted much and I joined other wagons.
I stand by that. The posting not much is certainly not helpful to town, but this is not a tactic and certainly not alignment indicative.
The truth is I can't post from work anymore, it was my birthday this week and I have been fairly busy.
Regaring my votes, I think you'll find push wagons on people that are potential scum in your eyes is the correct move, so as I said I'll stand by that.

CDB I voted for because. almost exclusively because of the hider crumb. I didn't find his actions yesterday or today particularly scummy, but I felt we should take advantage of some what felt like 'hard' information. The Bashir claim was more than enough for me to back off simply because I didn't find the 'behavior' so far scummy.

Titus is also one I am town reading so I've followed her lead with my limited access this week. Now it looks like the leading wagon next to mine is somebody I've haven't felt has been doing townie things, so I'm very likely to vote there next, but I want to make sure I'm fully caught up in the thread before committing my vote.

unvote

[Narninian]

Narm is scum. Right after we kill him I'll be lock clear and obv town.
Let's do that

Senator is town because he defended you
I am scum because I joined your bandwagon.

I don't think this is scummy in isolation, but its terrible logic.

There's always a new special situation reason to push my wagon.

whether it was because I fiought against the dumbest lynches you guys tried to bring forth
Or because I sorted titus while fighting said lynches
Or because I vote a lot
Or because my 'reads evolve too fast'
Or now apparently because I'm going to try to say I voted people when they flip scum?

Notice how the reasons get more shit as we progress into the game, btw.

ok. so you made this post to point out how these are bad reasons to push your wagon, but in my opinion these are good reasons so thanks for summarizing for me

VOTE: Senator

[Narninian]

its not like I don't have precedent for a senator lynch (having voted him earlier) but not gonna lie, him being the biggest wagon beside me is certainly a factor.
That being said, I wouldn't be voting him if I didn't think he had a good chance of being scum based on behavior.

[Narninian]

Senator is not playing to help town, is finding the wrong people scummy (CDB enough to vote for him, despite admitting that he didn't buy the only good reason to vote for CDB which was the hider crumb) and me of course.
his initial reason for voting me was "I'm hearing Narn's name a lot", following by a Giant Push this way.

RIP is pushing for me too, but I actually believe he's town.

[Narninian]

I just realized that either I'm not in the vote count at all (not in not voting, not on a wagon) or I'm blind.
I have to go now, and won't be back before the deadline - I think the senator lynch is a good call.

VOTE: Senator

[Narninian]

Very good point;

CDB has nine lives and lived through a doc claim. (Yes he didnt claim doc, but would a doc claim doc?
I unvoted him for his claim, but I don't think thats enough for me now.

VOTE: Channeldelibird

[Narninian]

CDB has nine lives and lived through a doc claim. (Yes he didnt claim doc, but would a doc claim doc?
I unvoted him for his claim, but I don't think thats enough for me now.

...what?

To both lines - I need more explanation of that.

Basically mirroring what you've said. There were a lot of counterwagons/defense of CDB yesterday and I think that was scum's doing. He also lived through the night after claiming a character that would be the clear/only logical choice to be the doctor. I know he claimed a vanilla townie, but I'm thinking that is increasingly unlikely with 2 heavy negative town roles and a townie role already outed.

[Narninian]

CDB has nine lives and lived through a doc claim. (Yes he didnt claim doc, but would a doc claim doc?
I unvoted him for his claim, but I don't think thats enough for me now.

...what?

To both lines - I need more explanation of that.

Basically mirroring what you've said. There were a lot of counterwagons/defense of CDB yesterday and I think that was scum's doing. He also lived through the night after claiming a character that would be the clear/only logical choice to be the doctor. I know he claimed a vanilla townie, but I'm thinking that is increasingly unlikely with 2 heavy negative town roles and a townie role already outed.

So you're saying you bought his claim yesterday because you thought he was saying *wink*I'm not a Doc*wink* and that, therefore, scum not killing him equates to him being scum?

yup, you've summed up the logic of a factor I have.
Its obviously not rocksolid by itself.

[Narninian]

unvote

for now...

RIP you said you were a conditional tracker? Does this mean you did some tracking already or do you not get to do it at all until tonight?

[Narninian]

Klimt is PR town or scum. I

know

this

is why I ask. If he's claiming hidden info he might as well out it, he's already claimed so its not fishing.

[Narninian]

So RIP lied and has zero hidden info, but he really doesn't like you, Narn. Any idea why?

I voted him without reading the case, and I lynched two town members.

[Narninian]

there are no Ms in my name :p

[Narninian]

During an away mission, Bashir rescued a Kobliad security officer from a burning ship. The criminal she was transporting transferred his mind into Bashir's mind and controlled Bashir into committing criminal acts, until he was driven out of his consciousness and destroyed. (DS9: "The Passenger").

Just one way bashir could not be town.

[Narninian]

[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p6986941]
Oh, and Narn, your looking bad too, thanks to your buddy RIP.
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So you're thinking we're partners and our sniping at each other is a ruse since we're not currently voting for each other?

[Narninian]

I don't really understand's RIP's passionate insistance on me being scum.

[Narninian]

To clarify, I don't mean that its impossible for somebody to think I am scum - just I don't understand RIP's case in particular.

[Narninian]

I don't think we should lynch RIP no matter how wrong he is with reads.
Tracking is useful.

[Narninian]

vote: CDB

[Narninian]

I don't think losing interest in the game is a town tell.

[Narninian]

The apathy is strong with this one (thread)

[Narninian]

Vote: ChannelDelibird

apparently my vote wasn't being counted.

[Narninian]

thats lynch-1 ?

RIP please clarify what you meant

[Narninian]

I lied about something alright.
Not one but the illusion is almost over. I need one more day. Game is over.

this is why people are voting for you;

Clarify about what you lied about.

[Narninian]

I don't disagree its pretty damning, but I was hoping RIP would at least try to explain since we have a couple days before deadline.

[Narninian]

I'll probably hammer, but I just wanna see some straight talk first.
if he's scum then he probably wont even attempt it, but I can give it a day if nobody else hammers first.

[Narninian]

RIP is not being super helpful; I am still confused about his "I lied" statement and he hasn't done anything to clarify, but I still think a CDB vote is the better path based partially on vanilla vs tracker claims, but also on The hider crumb and RIP case's being he is playing poorly, which could be true of town.

[Narninian]

I also don't like the speed (not in real time necessarily but on posts) at which that wagon flipped.

[Narninian]

I am fine with both wagons right now.

[Narninian]

do it

[Narninian]

I think all other results (if any) should be withheld until RIP responds.

agreed.

[Narninian]

suzunne's story checks out (The lightning rod) -- but what is your reason for voting nero?

[Narninian]

it seems like there is only 1 evil killer and a lightning rod could have easily attracted both a doctor and the kill so they dont even need to be NK immune to have survived.
I think Suzunne is town but I still question her reads. We have to tread carefully today, another lynched townie and we'll probably lose.

I'm not willing to lynch Psyche, Suzunne, Littlegumball or Narninian.
I'd frown upon lynching Thor;

Any else is fair game; I'm reading through again, but its really difficult with no confirmed mafia to make conclusions from. If anybody found a guilty result - now is the time to reveal methinks.

[Narninian]

I don't think we should really expect answers about hidden setup information.

[Narninian]

I wouldn't be opposed to a popcorn claim at this point; We'd lose a doc probably tonight and our tracker/cop might get roleblocked but we can't afford a a mislynch right now.

[Narninian]

VOTE: Riabi

There are 5 people I don't want to lynch because I believe them to be town.
Riabi's top suspects (psyche, and questioning Suzanne) are both on that list.

[Narninian]

we really shouldn't be spending time freaking out about thor's fairly obvious claim.

There are way better targets to pursue such as: Not-Thor.

[Narninian]

If Rumpelstiltskin was a fake claim from the start; it was either pretty lucky or mod provided;
Buck Bokai i is the same faction and we didn't find out about that character until way after he claimed rumplestiltskin.

PV is on list of acceptable lynches, so I'll do an iso of him and consider sheeping.

[Narninian]

unvote

VOTE: Klingon

Not a lot of time to talk right now, but I prefer this wagon. Riabi was straight up sheeping
I feel like Klingon had a lot of pressure on him multiple times and it disappeared.
Klingon (like me admittedly but I happen to know Im good) was on all 3 bad lynches.
Klingon at one point had said illogically either RIP or me had to be scum.

[Narninian]

How is it illogical that I suspected either one of you?
2648, 2653, 2654.

Its not that its a reach to find either one of us suspicious (I already admitted that you being on all 3 bad lynches also applies to me) but that Either RIP or myself "had" to be scum as if we were tied together somehow. It just feels to me like you were trying to set up 2 lynches there.

[Narninian]

alright

unvote

I am satisfied. You'd be surprised how many times a vote like that will cause scum to freakout and start OMGUSing, and how often thats an accurate tell now matter how obvious it is.

[Narninian]

I posted on it a few times; Basically Rumpelstiltskin wouldn't be a good fake claim unless you already knew that Buck Bokai was in game and the Rumpelstiltskin post restriction came before Buck Bockai was revealed. It has to be a mod-provided fake claim if it is indeed fake IMO.

[Narninian]

[quote="In post 3340
Based on this, I need more explanation behind I should just accept that Rumpel role is TOWN.

Rumpelstiltskin was a side character in one episode of Deep Space Nine; In Universe his goals/faction are IDENTICAL to Buck Bockai who was in the same episode and of the same race/motivations as Rumpelstiltskin. Buck Bockai is mod confirmed town (by virtue of being dead).

This means there are 3 ways that Rumpelstiltskin is scum

1) Archmage/thor is scum and got EXTREMELY lucky and just happened to have picked an obscure character that the less prominent counterpart (buck bockai) just happened to have been in-game without Rumpelstiltskin being in game to counter-claim him. Without a dead Buck, the claim is dubious at best so he decided to do a fake claim from the start of the game that wouldn't help clear him unless the mod also chose to use Buck and not Rumpelstiltskin and then Buck was cleared somehow.

1b) Rumpelstiltskin is in game but is not counterclaiming him for some reason.

2) Rumpelstiltskin is a mod provided fake claim.

3) Rumpelstiltskin is scum and Buck Bockai is not. Monkey-man just decided characters and then randomly made some scum with no method at all. As Buck and Rumple have identical goals and motivations it makes ZERO sense for them to have different alignments. If Rumpelstiltskin was a recurring character I could see there being some alien presence (like the one that made the crew fight each other) that made random people scum ---- but rumpel wasn't there for that and it would make no sense.


I concede mode provided fake claims are a thing but thats the only way Rumpel works. As scum, I wouldn't bring attention to it right away though with that post restriction at the start. It might have gotten him lynched.

[Narninian]

Rumpelstiltskin

[Narninian]

don't self-hammer if you're town ika.

[Narninian]

prove that you get a cool power when you have the final lynch vote?

[Narninian]

the skeptic in me is like; Is this a mafia power to instantly win you the game by getting an extra kill or something, but I want to believe.

[Narninian]

He's on my list of acceptable lynches, but nothing is jumping out for me as far as wanting to push it.
Ika *needs* to come back.

[Narninian]

Apologies for the others in thread for repeating myself but....l;

Rumpelstiltskin actually makes sense as a character; There was an episode where people dream's came to life basically and rumpel was the child's dream IIRC. one of the other "Dream" characters was Buck Bockai, and he is a dead townie.

[Narninian]

Suzune claimed to be a lightning rod (All actions to her at night) which a few people have confirmed.

[Narninian]

I posted on it a few times; Basically Rumpelstiltskin wouldn't be a good fake claim unless you already knew that Buck Bokai was in game and the Rumpelstiltskin post restriction came before Buck Bockai was revealed. It has to be a mod-provided fake claim if it is indeed fake IMO.

Here is another one of those interesting fixation problems this town has. I could care less whether it is a town fake claim, a flavor claim, a mod provided fake claim, either way the question comes back to is the person playing it town or mafia. Since roles go both ways. As for whether it fits with the theme or not, I know not.

the theme fit I think is important here because it'd be dumb to fake a post restriction for something that wouldn't even clear you and might get you lynched.

[Narninian]

don't hammer. Let sinsun hammer

[Narninian]

he gets a some sort of hammer power which will supposedly clear him.