Greater Idea Mafia (Endgame)

[Level 1-1]

@dav+ because I can't play town that is irrevàlant

VOTE: Davsto

Why did you pick ascetic?

[Level 1-1]

My phone is basically rip'd
Also we only got one scum role in 6

[Level 1-1]

VOTE: dav
LOOK at shadows discords

[Level 1-1]

Caught scum on page 3

Achievement get

[Level 1-1]

How about you wait for ika to answer before you vote based on this assumption? Because as the Ascetic Townie I

know

I am that, and that duplicates may appear.

I mean

In this setup, each player is randomly assigned two roles from the deck.

Could mean any two roles for each player. I can't see it explicitly saying anywhere that all roles have to be different and that there are no duplicates.

Because you wouldn't get two ascetic townies

[Level 1-1]

How about you wait for ika to answer before you vote based on this assumption? Because as the Ascetic Townie I

know

I am that, and that duplicates may appear.

I mean

In this setup, each player is randomly assigned two roles from the deck.

Could mean any two roles for each player. I can't see it explicitly saying anywhere that all roles have to be different and that there are no duplicates.

Because you wouldn't get two ascetic townies

Show me where it says you can't get duplicates and I'll believe you.

Also, come back to this wagon later. I'm sure it'll be interesting.

Umm...
Literally every greatest idea game ever.
Maybe you'd get duplicates in different games, but we're in the same one as shadiw's discard

[Level 1-1]

The annoying thing is that I'm basically a vt now.
I like softing

Pedit: I'll eat a shoe if the assumption is wrong

[Level 1-1]

Ummm OK.
That is a questionable way to setup
So I realise this makes me look scummy. I do have a claim but whlithout ccs that's pointless
We could have eleven vt and loads of important scum PRs of same faction

[Level 1-1]

Game 1 roles: Vigilante over Mafia Reflexive Doctor
Game 2 roles: X over Conspiracy Theorist
Game 3 roles: Conspiracy Theorist over Mason Lover

Fite me

[Level 1-1]

I picked black goo over 1 shot black goo
town lover over town innocent childkiller
vt over mafia goon

So how did you not know there could be duplicates

[Level 1-1]

UNVOTE:

[Level 1-1]

Oh yeah here mine:

Supersaint over Serial Killer (Protection from alien and werewolf kills)
X over Wild Card
Vanilla Townie over Werewolf Alpha.

I find it hard to believe you really chose these rubbish/mediocre town roles over SK/ww.
Sounds like scum not wanting to admit they're OK with being scum
VOTE: Luna fox

Modkill incoming

Why?

[Level 1-1]

gah, the only thing i have is a couple of super boring town reads

can someone start scum posting plz?

I want to think that you're town for this.
So im gonna go with purple being town.

Why?
This isn't hard to fake and Anti is a good player.

If anti's a good player and has fooled me with something like that then all the power to him.
I rarely backdown on townreads since i pick them up better than scumreads.

What?
That isn't hard to fake at all.
Are you two the only ones on your team, or are there more?

[Level 1-1]

Holy shit.
Did antimara really just chainsaw luna?

[Level 1-1]

Holy shit.
Did antimara really just chainsaw luna?

yes i did. b/c you're doing little more than doubtcasting.

Better than active lurking.
And yes, this hydra made its debut in Disney

Honestly activity tell is all that's stopping me for voting PH.

VOTE: luna

[Level 1-1]

now i have to go see if either head of level 1-1 has seen any scumgame of mine b/c i know that hydra was in disney where i completely flubbed as scum. this "antiheroz is scum masterz" is fucking bananas to begin w/ but it's UNFORGIVABLE coming from someone who's actually been in one of my scumgames.

I thought you were vla in that one?

[Level 1-1]

Lol.
The love is real.

Pls lynch me so I can vengekill sala and make the game better

[Level 1-1]

MY ORIGINAL POINT

gah, the only thing i have is a couple of super boring town reads

can someone start scum posting plz?

I want to think that you're town for this.
So im gonna go with purple being town.

Why?
This isn't hard to fake and Anti is a good player.

taking exception to something fairly innocuous like this is :\ and from experience i find it's often a knee-jerk reaction from scum trying to break up developing trust

Or it could be me trying to find out more about a scumread

[Level 1-1]

Pedit; I was asking something, you are misrepping me.

[Level 1-1]

"misrep"

three more and i can have 5 in a row

the worst thing is you're probably town

[Level 1-1]

"misrep"

three more and i can have 5 in a row

the worst thing is you're probably town

[Level 1-1]

OMGUS strawman waffles the cat

[Level 1-1]

Spoiler: mod edit

hey greninja!
if you don't help the rest of the town realise im town ill vengekill you!
how about that?

gah, the only thing i have is a couple of super boring town reads

can someone start scum posting plz?

I want to think that you're town for this.
So im gonna go with purple being town.

Why?
This isn't hard to fake and Anti is a good player.

Oh yeah here mine:

Supersaint over Serial Killer (Protection from alien and werewolf kills)
X over Wild Card
Vanilla Townie over Werewolf Alpha.

I find it hard to believe you really chose these rubbish/mediocre town roles over SK/ww.
Sounds like scum not wanting to admit they're OK with being scum
VOTE: Luna fox

UNVOTE:
Nvm, from context he's prob referring to game 3
Will quote when on pc

VOTE: farside
We are in game 2...
so he lied

Mario we r very emotional pple y wld you not love with us mannnn?

love is everywhere if u jst look mannn

I was worried about ww mason paranoia tho

VOTE: BotLane
Discarded seer, dav ignores him

Pedit; lol? :p

Nah I was planning on going after that after Ari.

In this multifaction game, Tracker > Seer, imo.

True
VOTE: ari

Discarded seer, dav ignores him

the logical progression from this is a vote on dav

plz correct

He discarded seer, I think he has a good chance of being ww but nk seer
When I am on PC I will type all cards. CBA atm!

VOTE: BotLane
Discarded seer, dav ignores him

Pedit; lol? :p

well we are lovers!












with ourselves.

also I am going to sign my posts as Queen Mollie.

~ Queen Mollie

I discarded mason lover in game3!

ISO of mario officially quoted!
Also guys I know how to appear town now. What you have to do is do nothing, be confused and float in the middle of everything

[Level 1-1]

My other head already claimed? GFDI.

Anything else important happen, or just 13 pages of crap? #lazy

-ASP

[Level 1-1]

VOTE: lizard
because i can

[Level 1-1]

Wow. 17 pages in, what, like one and a half day? So crazy.

Okay, so Davsto is almost certainly town. The claiming ascetic townie right away makes no sense any other way, and his insistence on this silly experiment thing he's trying to do screams town.

The Lizard wagon is mostly due to him hunting for third parties, right?

Vote: Level 1-1

Dude's pretty scummy.

-Scot out

lynch me some more pls.
also i was the one who started the discard thing i believe but i never spammed the thread sooooooooo

[Level 1-1]

Hello.
We are prodded and I am lazy/tired.
Can someone give a summary of the cases so I know who to vote?

[Level 1-1]

Lizard

*summary of the cases* pls
Pedit: Actually, Elvis discarded COAT!
Also before in the mod error I think he was Seer, and as a mod error it would make sense for him to have discarded that in another game, showing a clear negligence of town roles!
So not so shocked at BP town tbh

[Level 1-1]

VOTE: Mr. Elvis
Or i could vote these guys for discarding the COAT.

[Level 1-1]

VOTE: Mr. Elvis
Or i could vote these guys for discarding the COAT.

Their apathetic fluff has also felt fake.

[Level 1-1]

Klingon is not particularly insecure, Titus thinks the world of herself as scum. Klingon also considers Titus to be good as scum. And Titus prefers to play scum. Balanced against all of this, you think Klingon's potential worries about being scum (when Titus could just coach her anyway?) would tip them to choose a Town role? No.

Vote Delenn.

Delenn could easily choose a town role over BP.
I would choose multiple roles (tracker, joat, vig, rolecop, cop, coat) over BP.
I honestly don't see why Titus couldn't although this could be me being blind

[Level 1-1]

This is going to be one of those games where there are a few voices of insanity, a lot of headless town, and scum. Getting a scum lynch will be difficult due to people constantly going off on incorrect tangents. Meanwhile, scum shoot the good players, and clean up late-game.

If you don't want this to happen, please just sheep me now instead of later.

As a general rule, calling people bad will make them not want to sheep you.

[Level 1-1]

Lizard

*summary of the cases* pls
Pedit: Actually, Elvis discarded COAT!
Also before in the mod error I think he was Seer, and as a mod error it would make sense for him to have discarded that in another game, showing a clear negligence of town roles!
So not so shocked at BP town tbh

This whole thing of Elvis is wrong. The mod error originally showed the discard as something that hasn't appeared in Elvis' Game 1&3 picks, leading me to believe that the original discarded role (which wasn't Seer btw) is their current role. This is why I'm seeing town on Elvis.

And who said writing down all of this stuff wasn't useful?

Yet they still discarded COAT.

[Level 1-1]

Lizard

*summary of the cases* pls
Pedit: Actually, Elvis discarded COAT!
Also before in the mod error I think he was Seer, and as a mod error it would make sense for him to have discarded that in another game, showing a clear negligence of town roles!
So not so shocked at BP town tbh

This whole thing of Elvis is wrong. The mod error originally showed the discard as something that hasn't appeared in Elvis' Game 1&3 picks, leading me to believe that the original discarded role (which wasn't Seer btw) is their current role. This is why I'm seeing town on Elvis.

And who said writing down all of this stuff wasn't useful?

Yet they still discarded COAT.

Unless Elvis' role choices were re-rolled, chances are they're conf-town. Unvote them and go after actual scum, thanks.

So elvis is town because?
1)- Discard MUST have been actual role
2)- It's not like that would take a modkill/reroll to fix or anything

You are literally telling me that the mod confirmed a town and did nothing about it.
Yeah. I'm defenately targeting you tonight.

[Level 1-1]

Basically, everyone shut the hell up about Elvis and go after actual scum instead of easy targets, thanks.

Easy target how? These are experienced players, I believe. Them acting trolly in essential RVS doesn't make them an "easy target."

[Level 1-1]

Meh, nobody else has really given a case that has logic other than "vote lizard."
VOTE: Delenn

[Level 1-1]

Basically, everyone shut the hell up about Elvis and go after actual scum instead of easy targets, thanks.

Easy target how? These are experienced players, I believe. Them acting trolly in essential RVS doesn't make them an "easy target."

We're 800 pages in and you're voting someone purely due to discards over actually looking at behaviour and analysing it.

That is going for easy targets.

We're not 800 pages in?
And tell me what happened in all that time, then, so I can analyse it. Pls don't say "MAHAHAHAHHAHA READ 9999999999999999 POSTS" or something to that affect.

[Level 1-1]

Basically, everyone shut the hell up about Elvis and go after actual scum instead of easy targets, thanks.

Easy target how? These are experienced players, I believe. Them acting trolly in essential RVS doesn't make them an "easy target."

We're 800 pages in and you're voting someone purely due to discards over actually looking at behaviour and analysing it.

That is going for easy targets.

We're not 800 pages in?
And tell me what happened in all that time, then, so I can analyse it. Pls don't say "MAHAHAHAHHAHA READ 9999999999999999 POSTS" or something to that affect.

Read them yourself. It's your job to find scum, not mine to spoonfeed them to you.

go read 800 posts of some game in the past, analyse them, then you can tell me that

[Level 1-1]

hint: it's because Level 1-1 is scum

-Ank

Are you wrong as town or should I vote you?
I would like feedback from others who know Ankamius

Pedit: I said, go analyse 800 posts from a previous game.

[Level 1-1]

hi, im not lurking
i might look into what the delenn hydra was pregame, maybe, see what sense the whole thing means
i think as titus seems better at scum it would be more beneficial to tutor klingon at being scum?

[Level 1-1]

Hi
Luna and Shiro are probably town
BL is probably either third party or alien
Delenn could be fucking anything but I want to lynch groupscum and don't see why Klingon asks Titus for townhelp if Titus always gets lynched day one?

[Level 1-1]

Oh, and by the way, I just realised this is Vedith!town.
Can't say much more because ~ongoing~ but I think Vedith likes being Scum more.
So we should vote Delenn or someone should say that x is a better counterwagon. Kaboose seems like fustrated town, I'm not sure about antimara but they're voting Delenn for now so they're either alien/3P or other scum and i'll give them a pass for now. Luna is town, the only other wagon i'm thinking about is BotLane, who seems like she has a very good possibility of being 3P/SK to me.

Also I count Alien as 3P due to their low numbers.

[Level 1-1]

@TiKC: Why did you feel the need to stop spamposting when a person who annoys you tells you to?

[Level 1-1]

And making the game about a scumread is a remarkably effective way of garnering reads. You're town, mollie's town, Delenn's scum, Aristo's scum, Fire's town.

TLDR, go fish for my points.

All who vocally disagree are scum. Those who vocally agreed or are a possible swing vote = town.

P.S. Vedith case has been made and you're ignoring that so your attitude is rich here. It's not a lack of reading that's making anyone disagree. It's a lack of listening or lack of evidence.

But vedith is town so

[Level 1-1]

Vedith is active in her scumgames and is inactive here. It's like randommidget.

[Level 1-1]

I FUCKING KNEW IT HAHAHAHAAHHAHAHHAHAH
VOTE: west9
This guy never takes a stance, he seems overly soft, I'd be surprised if he was town.
Alternatively I could vote BotLane.

[Level 1-1]

VOTE: Aristophanes
He has weird interactions with West, I can live with this

[Level 1-1]

It's a ghost!

[Level 1-1]

Titus, why did you have to make mollie replace out
(and posting after death twice probably didn't help)

I really cant give two fucks anymore. West you're probably actually town upon review, and i'll probably just keep on sheeping TSO

[Level 1-1]

(also me and mollie both had altslip numbers higher than the posts of shadowwez and kthx)

FFS

[Level 1-1]

I do want to go for someone on both the Vedith and Ari wagons rather than a lurker. I will be looking into rabble more as I have them as unsorted right now.

~SW

Rabble was on both. Remember when we discussed NKA in the Delicious II dead chat? PH's death is extremely likely to be due to their strong and vocal Rabble scumread.

Yeah, I remember that. I'll have to take a look at that more. Need a little bit more time.

I agree that level 1-1 hasn't posted yet is worrying. Is Mario in that hydra? He likes to lurk as scum big time.

~SW

~Newbie 1631~
~Fragger!mod~
~Basically every single game as scum apart from the ones I did while a newb~

Hey guys, I've got an idea!
Lynch me, watch rabble's hilarious reaction when i am hammered, and lynch him tommorow!
Because that's literally the only way he should be alive today TBH

VOTE: rabble

[Level 1-1]

It certainly seems odd that scum would shoot purple hero when they were likely to push through your lynch today. It had my implicit support, and with Aristophanes flipping town it had further credence as a scum wagon. Balanced against all this, and with purple hero's only other major scumread being Fire (who was town), and no PR hinting/crumbs, you think that scum shot purple hero?

It seems a poor shot, to say the least.

I'm not sure what you are trying to get at with this. How is any of that indicative of our alignment? I don't know if scum shot purple hero. I don't try to analyze night kills straight up as it is quite unreliable. Are you trying to say you think scum shot purple hero?

Another great, insightful post from level 1-1. So much thought coming from them.

-Scot

Fuck this.
My hydra partner's been AFK since the start, and I don't want this shitposting to interfere with my meatlife.
So fucking lynch me. If you actually have a believable case which isn't BS, which I doubt.
It'll be funny to watch you try and cover up for it!

[Level 1-1]

dum
dum
dum
da
VOTE: greys holly
dee

[Level 1-1]

If anyone has any questions, I'm happy to answer them.
I'm thinking RRR is a scum. VCA is horrible and we're not using VCA this game.

[Level 1-1]

VCA is horrible? How you figure? Cuz it looks bad for one or more of you buddies?

That and because it is actually like throwing darts on a fucking board!

[Level 1-1]

Oh yeah! I forgot! We're massclaiming today!
I'm a VT
I nominate KT or rabble to go next, haven't kept track of claims really but I know Luna is PGO and Shiro is Watcher

[Level 1-1]

I'm a VT

Woot

Anything else to add?

[Level 1-1]

Why did you pick VT?

Because I don't think anyone would pick Alien and CT is probably just going to end up as being a miller to other CTs, but with no actual guilty to find

[Level 1-1]

Because I don't think anyone would pick Alien

Why?

They'd very likely be like a SK but with worse benefits

[Level 1-1]

You picked VT over an alien cop?
Why?

P.edit

Luna ;~; I will just give up.

Luna 4
Shiro 0

VT has more town utility.
Meanwhile you're not persuing the person who dropped mafcop over VT apparently?

[Level 1-1]

Meanwhile you're not persuing the person who dropped mafcop over VT apparently?

Someone did that?

Yes. Their name is West9.
Apparently he did it for "fun of being a VT without knowledge."

[Level 1-1]

I was hoping to not have to out this, but look further into the acronym VT

[Level 1-1]

I was hoping to not have to out this, but look further into the acronym VT

I dun get it

aristo

[Level 1-1]

YOU WILL FIGHT ME, KTHXBYE
I EMPOWER YOU TO DEATH BY MY POWER INSIDE

[Level 1-1]

And yes that is a vengeshot claim in case I get lynched

[Level 1-1]

And yes that is a vengeshot claim in case I get lynched

And here we see you don't even know what a vengeful townie does.....

I do.
If I get lynched you flip scum.

[Level 1-1]

And yes that is a vengeshot claim in case I get lynched

And here we see you don't even know what a vengeful townie does.....

I do.
If I get lynched you flip scum.

Because I send the mod a PM saying "shoot kt the obvscum"

[Level 1-1]

So you're saying we have 2 vengeful townies? Not impossible, but I'm not buying it for a second. I think you got caught with your pants down and now you're scrambling.

VOTE: Level 1-1

The mod confirmed it's possible?
LMAO.
I literallly claimed vengeful earlier so no go

[Level 1-1]

Lol.
The love is real.

Pls lynch me so I can vengekill sala and make the game better

Here we go!

[Level 1-1]

Hey level, i don't think scum would be as stupid as continue pushing you despite your vengeful claim do you disagree? while it's frustrating for you i don't think that makes kthx scum, and if he's scum he's mafia (due to his suspicions towards botlane D1).

Spoiler: @Level1-1

Do you think this is the same hiplop that played Disney upick?

Spoiler:

No, but the circumstances are different; he lost mollie for BS reasons and could be understandably apathetic.
God I wish I had an IC in this game.
And a cop shot too.

@Luna; Maybe his scumteam think a town and scum jointlynch is worth it at this stage?

Pedit: How do you know my shot will "lose town the game?"
Doesn't this prove my theory of you as large groupscum?
VOTE: KThxbye

[Level 1-1]

I don't understand how this guy can be shown a vengeful claim on D1 and still think it's scum squirming out of a VT claim.

[Level 1-1]

Here's the deal. A SHIT ton of town have died. IF you were town and are vengeful, that would be 2 town dead from a lynch today and unless the remaining scum teams cross kill at night (and there's a possible 3rd team out there?), town would be fucked. I don't see how anything else is possible unless due to the SK, there were only 2 man scum teams and there were 3 of them...thus, you are full of shit. Your OMGUS vote here is just adding to how full of it you actually are. Floundering scum act EXACTLY how you are now. I don't understand how you can not understand why I see you as confirmed scum at this point.

Hey dude! If you wanna fakeclaim a result on me do it now so I can vengekill you! Otherwise I'm not fucking confirmed scum! I love how you say that everyone must act the same if they flounder as scum, and I am acting in that manner? This is Greater Idea. It doesn't fucking have to be even.

[Level 1-1]

Lol.
The love is real.

Pls lynch me so I can vengekill sala and make the game better

Here we go!

Also, this only adds to you being scum, NOT to you being vengeful. You claimed this day freaking 1. There are at least 2 scum teams out there that would need you dead if this were true. You're still alive because it's NOT true and the other scum team didn't target you. Your own scum team of course didn't target you either.

I'm pretty sure they either forgot about it or underestimated Vengeful power. I don't have a scumteam.

[Level 1-1]

Based on BotLane's posts, I doubt you're a Were.

So am I mafia who suddenly decided to bus the Saulus who would turn into an extra townie after being on Vedith's wagon?

Pedit: How is that coaching?
Can you say "I have a guilty on Level 1-1" and I vengekill you or are you supposedly pyschic and have magical knowledge I must be scum?

[Level 1-1]

Also Delenn didn't know her partners so fuck around some more!

[Level 1-1]

Lol.
The love is real.

Pls lynch me so I can vengekill sala and make the game better

Here we go!

How on earth was this not discussed when said?

People missed it in the shitton of bullshit probably!

[Level 1-1]

Okay so I'm starting my looksy at the wagon on me.

First note is that this is likely to not be fully accurate due to the brevity of the wagon.

The first post noting it is 64 and ika's post disclosing that duplicates were, in fact, possible was 108. These posts are 39 minutes and 38 seconds apart. Thus, a lot of it is bound to come down to who was there at the time. On its own, that means that this whole analysis should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Post 75 is the first post where other people start to take notice of the wagon. Purple Hero gets townie points due to asking other people if there can be duplicates and

and

then asking the mod in 81, just to make sure. I feel like only Town would go this extra step to verify that a wagon they were already on because they were suspicious of them was valid or not.

On the other hand, Level 1-1 gets scum points for not asking any of these questions and just getting the wagon all up on me anyway.

In 82 the Hiplop half of the Hippy/Mollie hydra votes me based on the assumption that it is true. The hydra's following posts (83, 85, 92) are a discussion between the heads, and the fact that the discussion took a while leads me to believe that it was genuine discussion over posturing, with a mixture of the tentative vote but still asking about it leading me towards a townier vote.

Luna's vote in 84 confuses me, as it could be questionable, but because I like Luna's play in general I'm willing to let it slide.

96 made me think slightly more town for Level 1-1 because of them being so adamant that they had found scum, but then I remembered multifaction so scum can still find other scum. So I'm just gonna null that.

Greys Holly didn't vote me throughout all this and made it clear in 102 that an answer was being waited for, and that's good.


There we go, that's an analysis thingy. Basically, Level 1-1 seems pretty scummy, Luna was a bit dodgy but frankly the rest of her play undermines this thought, and the rest were almost certainly just misguided Town, due to them still waiting for ika's answer, rather than just instantly going "omgscum".

Day 1 vote analysis is busiwork.

Titus

Here's some soft defense of Level from scum buddy.

p.edit: It's called building a case so everyone else can see how full of shit you are. Plus, if you REALLY were vengeful AND wanted to be lynched, all you'd have to do is claim scum or scum slip.

Delenn is confirmed to not know scumbuddy.
Also I'd rather lynch scum straight away rather than have a town die too.

[Level 1-1]

Well since it was said so early, we have no reason to lynch Level. But as already stated, I don't think Kth would be pushing as scum here.

Read his posts

[Level 1-1]

Ika, theoretically speaking, would a scumteam know the identity of a Saulus, or would it be mutually anonymous?

The only role that scumteam will not know will be a traitor.

[Level 1-1]

Except I'm not hammering so that sucks for you I guess?

[Level 1-1]

"i dont like how he suddenly claimed vengeful"
"oh he lined up the fakeclaim"
Are you guys even listening to what you're saying?

[Level 1-1]

And its perfectly plausible that you didn't want to use that fakeclaim until you were pushed. If you truly were vengeful, you have no reason to withhold that when suggesting a massclaim. The thought process doesn't fit. What did you hope to accomplish with that?

I thought scum would feel more comfortable pushing a vanilla than a vengeful.
You want me to hammer you?
Because you're making little sense, and sheeping the scummiest scum in the game.