Greater Idea Mafia (Endgame)

[Delenn]

VOTE: Farside66

Titus

[Delenn]

VOTE: Ari

Explain yourself?

>.>

Who's in your hydra?

Titus

[Delenn]

Thanks.

[Delenn]

Ours is a nice one. A tired one too. Goodnight all.

Titus

[Delenn]

Titus tells me a lot about you Mala.

ika, our row is off.

VOTE: Ari

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

mara's telling me she also thinks titus prob would've picked a scum role if she had the chance

if the 3 m's are in agreement with that, then there is probably some merit to it.

I don't think titus realized that the discards wld be revealed.

Titus absolutely did know discards would be revealed. We discussed it. We would have to discard a town role for game 2. Being a bulletproof means we would be lynched because we could not be night killed or shot by a vig. I am tired of being the day one lynch and Titus is as well.

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

In Titus's case she feared before lylo would mean Day 1, before any scumreads would form.

If Titus has some cog-dis, then that might be good to resolve. I am not sur what cog-dis is, but Titus was the IC for several games for me on my original site. If she does have a major flaw, that might be why we're both mislynched so much.

What did Mala see? Titus hasn't drawn scum with me in a finished game.

The one thing we did agree on was slowing down and explaining to each other what we are doing.

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

In Titus's case she feared before lylo would mean Day 1, before any scumreads would form.

...

lol?

Titus can explain better but she feels that if people just up and vote park, we'll be the lynch and no scumhunting will happen and day 1 will be a waste. If people found out we were bp, they'd assume SK or something.

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

Oh yeah here mine:

Supersaint over Serial Killer (Protection from alien and werewolf kills)
X over Wild Card
Vanilla Townie over Werewolf Alpha.

I find it hard to believe you really chose these rubbish/mediocre town roles over SK/ww.
Sounds like scum not wanting to admit they're OK with being scum
VOTE: Luna fox

Modkill incoming

Why?

My guess if he's pulling an ika, he's trolling to see how much he can get away with.

Grey, which head is posting right now?

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

Titus can explain better but she feels that if people just up and vote park, we'll be the lynch and no scumhunting will happen and day 1 will be a waste. If people found out we were bp, they'd assume SK or something.

no, what was that about day 1 being lylo? or did i misread that?

Misinterpreted.

I was trying to state that if Titus is lynched "before lylo" she usually feels that's an excuse to lynch Titus on day 1.

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

In Titus's case she feared before lylo would mean Day 1, before any scumreads would form.

...

lol?

Titus can explain better but she feels that if people just up and vote park, we'll be the lynch and no scumhunting will happen and day 1 will be a waste. If people found out we were bp, they'd assume SK or something.

Klingoncelt

Kling will destory this hydra someway.

level 1-1's initial townread is starting to deteriorate

Policy is policy.

I really want Titus to agree on lynching you. She's told me to rein in my anger but you're being a dick deliberately.

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

okay. when bp's are lynched it is usually because that they were playing in a scummy way, not just because they had the role. I know quite a few players who have never been lynched as bp including myself. if you are tired of being the d1 lynch then there are steps that you can take to fix that.

I thought BP's are lynched because their BP claim explains them not being night killed, so they are usually lynched before LyLo.

where did you learn this?

Offsite.

What site?

Can I have a link to past games of yours?

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

I did mention earlier that i wouldn't expect people to believe me when i said i hated scum, specially because i dont have any finished games on this site yet.
So i dont find Level's push on me that bad tbh.
The only thing i find odd is that he said that "anti's a good player and perfectly capable of faking that", if what anti says about himself is true then yeah, this reasoning is bad, but i don't think they are likely scum for it.

So i do have a townread on level.

I would like links to your off site games please. Titus is not a fan of meta but I like reading a little about every player in the game. Titus will be reading you solely based on this game.

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

i'm already being toxic... awesome...

blah

You're not. Greninja is.

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

VOTE: Greninja

Not waiting for Titus anymore. Every time scumhunting starts, you're there with lies and spam.

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

Also sorry Delenn can't link my games right now, site's down atm.

Although i probably wont link them anyways coz i'll either forget, or because i hate linking my offsite games.

What is the name of the site, and your username? We can do a search when the site comes back up.

Also guys I know how to appear town now. What you have to do is do nothing, be confused and float in the middle of everything

That's often why Kling gets lynched.

Titus

[Delenn]

Anyway, looking for discards for Games 1&3 from
(players that have posted)
Delenn, Firebringer, Greninja, Greys Holly, Hippy Love, Mr Elvis, Purple Hero, Rabble Rabble Rabble and West9

and all players that haven't posted.

Obsessing on discards not in this game is busiwork.

Titus

[Delenn]

It's Information over Analysis.

Game 1: Innocent Child > Alien Sympathizer
Game 3: Werewolf Godfather > Vanilla Townie

Titus

[Delenn]

as long as you not do this to pretend you're doing something.

We think that's exactly what he's doing. FoS Davasto

Titus

[Delenn]

Also i dont get what's Delenn's obsession with my meta.

Kling does the meta diving. She believes that it's a useful tool.

Titus

[Delenn]

To my understanding it gives an idea of what people prefer.

I refer back to my point that scum can lie about it.

Eh would they think of doing so? I mean they could but would all scum bother? I can kinda understand what he is doing.

Titus lied about her choice in Signs and Void. In a Greatest idea, saying you prefer scum is usually a ticket to being lynched.

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

Okay so I'm starting my looksy at the wagon on me.

First note is that this is likely to not be fully accurate due to the brevity of the wagon.

The first post noting it is 64 and ika's post disclosing that duplicates were, in fact, possible was 108. These posts are 39 minutes and 38 seconds apart. Thus, a lot of it is bound to come down to who was there at the time. On its own, that means that this whole analysis should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Post 75 is the first post where other people start to take notice of the wagon. Purple Hero gets townie points due to asking other people if there can be duplicates and

and

then asking the mod in 81, just to make sure. I feel like only Town would go this extra step to verify that a wagon they were already on because they were suspicious of them was valid or not.

On the other hand, Level 1-1 gets scum points for not asking any of these questions and just getting the wagon all up on me anyway.

In 82 the Hiplop half of the Hippy/Mollie hydra votes me based on the assumption that it is true. The hydra's following posts (83, 85, 92) are a discussion between the heads, and the fact that the discussion took a while leads me to believe that it was genuine discussion over posturing, with a mixture of the tentative vote but still asking about it leading me towards a townier vote.

Luna's vote in 84 confuses me, as it could be questionable, but because I like Luna's play in general I'm willing to let it slide.

96 made me think slightly more town for Level 1-1 because of them being so adamant that they had found scum, but then I remembered multifaction so scum can still find other scum. So I'm just gonna null that.

Greys Holly didn't vote me throughout all this and made it clear in 102 that an answer was being waited for, and that's good.


There we go, that's an analysis thingy. Basically, Level 1-1 seems pretty scummy, Luna was a bit dodgy but frankly the rest of her play undermines this thought, and the rest were almost certainly just misguided Town, due to them still waiting for ika's answer, rather than just instantly going "omgscum".

Day 1 vote analysis is busiwork.

Titus

[Delenn]

We kept Fruit Vendor and discarded Survivor Mason

Titus

[Delenn]

Guys I just want to say that Klingon/Titus has been really quiet after voting me.

There's not much else to say, is there? Other than pointing out Daves busiwork.

[Delenn]

^ Titus

[Delenn]

Could someone tell me which player "D3x" is in reference to because I can't figure it.

Part of the BotLane hydra.

Titus

[Delenn]

Eh, it's not more for the role they turned down in regards to the Delenn hydra for me. I spent about a week at titus-house when I went for a meet, I kinda learned to know how she plays and what she prefers etc. We became pretty close, so she prefers scum if she can get it. So I can see her getting a scum role and discarding any other town role.

IF a scum role is available. Doesn't always happen.

I did mention earlier that i wouldn't expect people to believe me when i said i hated scum, specially because i dont have any finished games on this site yet.
So i dont find Level's push on me that bad tbh.
The only thing i find odd is that he said that "anti's a good player and perfectly capable of faking that", if what anti says about himself is true then yeah, this reasoning is bad, but i don't think they are likely scum for it.

So i do have a townread on level.

I would like links to your off site games please. Titus is not a fan of meta but I like reading a little about every player in the game. Titus will be reading you solely based on this game.

why is she a fan of meta when always going after me?? She always applies incorrect meta to me and uses it as the /only/ base to try and lynch me.

We'll be using Kling's meta reads in this game. She has good instincts, once she learns to focus.

Titus

[Delenn]

Titus do you think Dav is town or fake scumhunting?

I think it's fake. Kling thinks he's "just being a noob."

Titus

[Delenn]

Odd, Titus is scared to play her game so shes using Klingon to make sure she doesnt get mislynched.

Titus do something. This isnt like you and its bugging me

I hydra'd with Kling to teach her to play better.

I'm exhausted. Busy day.

Titus

[Delenn]

As for TitusKelt, idk. Klingon has had her share of ways to be a focal lynch for saying something inconvient so I wonder what is causing her to lurk like she is.

Hi, I'm here now. I'm lurking because I need to behave.

One of my problems is that I kneejerk react to things, and I wind up blurting out stuff. What I say and the way I say it helps get me mislynched as low-hanging fruit. So I've been waiting and consulting with Titus before getting into the game.

(Patience is a gift. I wish I had it.)

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

Eh, it's not more for the role they turned down in regards to the Delenn hydra for me. I spent about a week at titus-house when I went for a meet, I kinda learned to know how she plays and what she prefers etc. We became pretty close, so she prefers scum if she can get it. So I can see her getting a scum role and discarding any other town role.

IF a scum role is available. Doesn't always happen.

I did mention earlier that i wouldn't expect people to believe me when i said i hated scum, specially because i dont have any finished games on this site yet.
So i dont find Level's push on me that bad tbh.
The only thing i find odd is that he said that "anti's a good player and perfectly capable of faking that", if what anti says about himself is true then yeah, this reasoning is bad, but i don't think they are likely scum for it.

So i do have a townread on level.

I would like links to your off site games please. Titus is not a fan of meta but I like reading a little about every player in the game. Titus will be reading you solely based on this game.

why is she a fan of meta when always going after me?? She always applies incorrect meta to me and uses it as the /only/ base to try and lynch me.

We'll be using Kling's meta reads in this game. She has good instincts, once she learns to focus.

Titus

[vote delenn[vote

Jeez.

[Delenn]

I don't know what you're pointing out there, that kling uses meta reads and that titus is lying about teaching her to play better or something?

That's my guess.

If you want the history, Wake/Wake88 started a Mafia forum on a political site. Titus came over and IC'd. A bunch of us migrated over here, and Titus has continued to assist us in improving our playstyle.

There's nothing scummy in that.

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

kling if your problem is getting mislynched too often for overreacting why would you choose titus to help you play better? thatd be like asking jesus for advice on avoiding crusifiction

Okay, that was funny.

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

@Salamance head, You and I both know why you're vote on us is terrible and why I can't explain. I'd be insisting we vote you if I could legally talk about it.

@Mollie, It's easier to see flaws in others than ourselves, particularly in those we've taught. Klingon gets angry and pisses people off. People dismiss me when I am right. So if I just state my reads and let y'all be so confident that Lizard and I are scum, you'll be shown wrong.

@All, As for my general lack of activity, it's true across the site. I have modding to do this morning and afternoon while my in laws are coming over to install a waterline to the fridge. So if you have problems with my activity, deal with it.

P.S. Mollie true busiwork is Davesto, not theory you disagree with. He hasn't drawn one useful conclusion from asking the discards. That's because there isn't one to draw.

Titus

[Delenn]

We're one shot unlynchable townie.

Don't have time to defend against the vague assertions that we're scum because it's what we'd prefer. I feel a mentor mentee relationship with Klingon. We picked the roles together. I've been doing about jackshit due to IRL. I don't deny it. Given we're mislynched a lot, picking unlynchable is a hell of a lot better than BP.

Titus

[Delenn]

We're one shot unlynchable townie.

Don't have time to defend against the vague assertions that we're scum because it's what we'd prefer. I feel a mentor mentee relationship with Klingon. We picked the roles together. I've been doing about jackshit due to IRL. I don't deny it. Given we're mislynched a lot, picking unlynchable is a hell of a lot better than BP.

Titus

except you thought you wld be nked.

sorry, but I don't believe you.

And why would we be nked when our total good contributions are basically just highlighting busiwork?

We'd likely be nked now, but we'll be proven regardless.

The only possibilities for us are

1-shot unlynchable townie
1-shot unlynchable Alien
Judas
Saulus

That's it. 3/4 we're town and that last one would be moronic to claim there. (Sal it's best just to townside).

Titus

[Delenn]

So what you're saying is, Titus hydra'd with klingon to tutor klingon, except earlier she said they'd be relying on klingon's reads, which is a contradiction.

THIS IS AN INTERESTING OBSERVATION!!!1!!

Delenn, what is your response??!?

My reads are scary accurate -

if

I'm playing right. Unfortunately I haven't been playing right lately, and I need to get back on track. I'll get a read on someone and we'll pick it apart in the chat and go from there. We won't know how well or poorly I'm doing until some flips come in, I'm aiming for the site standard Day 3.

And Titus is going to teach me how to do VCA - Yay!

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

@Delenn: Do you think Davesto is fake claiming ascetic?

That's a pretty ballsy fakeclaim.

I'm having trouble with his busy work. Why do that as an ascetic? Why draw so much unnecessary attention to oneself?

It's gotta be noobness shining through.

I think he's town and in over his head.

[Delenn]

Klingoncelt ^

[Delenn]

While I dont townread TitusKelt as much as I should, the fact that I want to vote them D1 probably means they are town.

Umm.. thanks?

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

klitus

Thats not going to work.

why not? I loved it.

have we determined who hacked into ank's account yet

I dont want to start saying klit us.

How about keltus?

Eww. I thought they meant it in a hillbilly name kind of way, like Cletus.

[Delenn]

Elvis might be scum. Delenn most definitely is scum.

Nuh-uh.

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

See, I'm sus of Delenn for shit like this.

Day 1 vote analysis is busiwork.

Titus

She looks at this entire analysis, just goes "it's busiwork" with literally no reasoning as if it's objective fact. They seem more intent on discrediting points I make than scumhunting, because if I am scum lying about being Ascetic there is a 99.9% chance I'll be outed tomorrow by literally any investigation role getting a result of any kind upon me.

Day 1 vote analysis

is

busy work.

You have no idea why people are - or are not - voting for you on Day 1. You don't know their motivations. Their vote placement, or lack of, is in no way alignment indicative on the first Day.

Let me put it this way - if it were a useful scumhunting tool everyone would be doing it and Scum would nearly be always lynched Day 1.

[Delenn]

Kling ^

[Delenn]

delenn is scum cos no way does it make sense that she wld discard a bp while thinking she might be a nk. mala, mara and I all agree that she choose a scum role over that and they have done nothing to convince us otherwise.

What the hell good is a BP if we're mislynched Day 1? Hmm?

Cletus.

[Delenn]

No. Aside from it being statistically more likely for a scum role, rather than a powerful town role like those, to appear - Titus, as town, would prioritise survival over the potential to get a Guilty. She would fully believe that she has the capacity to single-handedly win the game for town if she can stay alive long enough. She would also fully expect to die n1 or n2.

You have to understand that Titus' strong impression of her own competency would almost certainly lead her to prioritise survival over getting a Guilty and being shot the next night. Getting a Guilty removes one scum player before she dies. She would back herself to remove at least three as Bulletproof, as well as soak at least one NK.

That's a nice analysis, TSO. Maybe I should hydra with you someday.

In the meantime, please allow me to beat you over the head with this freshly baked loaf - MAYBE BOTH ROLES OFFERED WERE TOWN.

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

It's Information over Analysis.

Game 1: Innocent Child > Alien Sympathizer
Game 3: Werewolf Godfather > Vanilla Townie

Titus

@Davsto Are you counting statistical chance to figure out scum ? Cause I think I just realised what you are doing,

Wait you made a post saying specifically that you are not doing that but tbh it would work. I mean All dice rolls from our POV were made at the same time

if

Set 1 had town and town

Set 2 has x and town

Set 3 had town and town

The chance of x being scum is really high no ?

Gambler's fallacy.

[Delenn]

Can y'all quit spamming the thread with how terrible we are for picking unlynchable? Look at our recent games. Look how often we've been wagoned day 1 for nothing at all. Yeah we picked unlynchable. Titus and Klingon dying n1 almost never happens. Why? Because people vote park and sit on us.

I deliberately have done jacks hit so no one can blame us for being toxic. The only thing toxic is people repeatedly wagoning me in every game.

I would actually like to be able to see decent scum hunting but that is not going to happen here if certain people keep vote parking.

Davesto shows progress and is not doing just busywork anymore, although I still need to see his point behind the discards.
Shiro is dumb town.
Grey ninja is looking betterish but can't tell if buddying.

[Delenn]

I am easily proven townie by inspection.

...

...

what?

He's claimed ascetic. Since I couldn't find scum ascetic or commuter, he's likely innocent. Confirmed, nope. Just likely.

Are you that obsessed with lynching us that you aren't reading the game?

[Delenn]

VOTE: BotLane

All posts until Tuesday are Titus. Klingon is vla this game.

I like Luna's logic here. It's one thing that hydra partners cannot tell each other everything, but somethings they should share. The dumb hydra partner talking is what helped me see HH was scum in We the Purple. Plus, she's scum hunting rather than bitching. Rare Titus sheep to you Luna. Don't blow it.

[Delenn]

p.edit: Are you saying Ank ignoring my existance while d3x isn't is what you are seeing as scummy?

Ank should know that people use discards in exchange of RVS in Greater Idea games. d3x made a catch up on 376 which gave him scum lean on me, I would assume that he would talk with his hydra head about the reasons for the scumreads, considering ank has posted a few times in the thread since d3x's catchup they have also had time to talk about reads, or at the very least, d3x has had time to tell ank about it and ank has had time to reply. 618 shows that his reason for scumreading me is because i voted ppl based on discards, since it replaces RVS, it's not unheard of that i change my vote for another lead, if Ank agrees with this scumread then Ank's scum, and if Ank hasn't talked with d3x about this read then they are probs scum, in either case, botlane is scum.

I refuse to believe anyone actually makes a case like this and believes it to be true. It just doesn't happen.

-Ank

It does.

Titus

[Delenn]

To verify your logic to see if it's valid and to build the strongest case you can.

[Delenn]

hi, im not lurking
i might look into what the delenn hydra was pregame, maybe, see what sense the whole thing means
i think as titus seems better at scum it would be more beneficial to tutor klingon at being scum?

Actually as Scum I'm pretty good.

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

@HippyLove,

Yes. I played with her during her first five to six ish games. She doesn't have the same Mislynch problem on USMB as she does here. I am wondering why that is and volunteered to help her get to the bottom of it.

Mollie, can you knock off the melodrama and thread domination? Thanks.

[Delenn]

Luna, can you compare this Ank to Survivor Ank?

[Delenn]

hi, im not lurking
i might look into what the delenn hydra was pregame, maybe, see what sense the whole thing means
i think as titus seems better at scum it would be more beneficial to tutor klingon at being scum?

Actually as Scum I'm pretty good.

Klingoncelt

so you asked her to help you with...your town game?

while stating that you both are mislynched d1 often?

if you don't lynch delenn the terrorists will win.

I'm not mislynched D1 often, I'm mislynched D1 just about every damn time. I need to learn how to, as Town, survive further into the game.

No one else wants to coach me, I'm grateful for Titus' help.

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

Like Titus said earlier, I'm V/LA, I'll be in & out between now and Tuesday.

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

Luna, can you compare this Ank to Survivor Ank?

I'm assuming the name of the game is "Survivor" (how ironic he was a survivor there i think?) All i see is him being somewhat calm on his ISO, was there any pressure on him at any point?

I was tunnelling him for quite awhile. I even had a mini VCA that narrowed part of the scum to him and DGB and kept trying to rally to lynch him. DGB was scum there so idk. I would consider me tunneling someone there as pressure. Maybe he didn't because of DGB being popularly read as scum. *shrug*

I was doing so good too.

[Delenn]

She literally made a fucking case based on d3x having a reason to scumread her, then assuming that we had discussed the read when I had already scumread her in the past. Why the fuck would it be a given that we're discussing reads we both mutually agree on?

-Ank

this 1 for starters.

if you help me lynch delenn you might be off the hook today! \o/

I can't promise you about tomorrow tho.

tbh I'm really close to taking you up on this solely because of the sheep that slot did.

-Ank

THINK OF ALL OF THE PPLE YOU WILL SAVE BY NOT LETTING THE TERRORISTS WIN.

Terrorist (noun) - Someone who uses fear to attempt to force others to comply with an objective.

Yes, you'll be saving Titus and Klingoncelt by not letting the terrorist win.

[Delenn]

Luna, can you compare this Ank to Survivor Ank?

I stated multiple times in that past that I played that game as town, not survivor.

-Ank

Spin. If scum was winning, you would have scumsided.

You were a third party. Period.

[Delenn]

Ank, I think I know how a hydra works. I have like 20 of them.

Don't insult me please.

[Delenn]

Luna, can you compare this Ank to Survivor Ank?

I stated multiple times in that past that I played that game as town, not survivor.

-Ank

Spin. If scum was winning, you would have scumsided.

You were a third party. Period.

You do realize that trying to win with scum in that game would at the very best, be a very desperate gambit, right?

-Ank

Reread my post.

If scum was winning...

[Delenn]

Objection: 1052 is not responsive.

Sustained. 1049 just said Ank OMGUSed as a reaction to being voted.

[Delenn]

@Mollie, reads on everyone else please (if you have them).

Otherwise, just claim lyncher. It will save us the headaches.

[Delenn]

super vote delenn

Good. Glad to know you're a lyncher.

You'll likely get your win anyway, so you should play ball and actually discuss things happening around you.

[Delenn]

not a lyncher ur just scummy as fuck

You're being obsessive and just spamming we're scum over and over. We get it. None of your posts have substance and you're drowning out scumhunting.

If you are town, then please shut the fuck up unless you have something new to say. If you're just repeating yourself over and over, you contribute nothing and prevent people from scumhunting me.

Unless you think town is full of idiots, letting scumhunting happen is the best way to make my alignment known.

If you are a lyncher, carry on.

[Delenn]

*none of your recent

[Delenn]

Luna, you aren't going to convince Ank he slipped. Ain't gunna happen. You two going back and forth helps no one.

What do you think of Bloodhounding Hippy tonight?

[Delenn]

Besides if you come back as town, then that'll stop everyone from chasing you, do you disagree?

Nope.
Alien Psychtrooper (framing me)
You being accused of being my buddy
Alien Mass Redirector (framing me)
Mafia Roleblocker
WW Roleblocker
You get NKed

I wish it was that simple

[Delenn]

@Mollie, you're not even reading the question. She's asking why wouldn't copping me solve the issue.

[Delenn]

joking aside, I don't like that titus is trying to manage night actions/asking not to be investigated and preemptively coming up with excuses

Isn't that what you've just done?

I will likely be vigged if there is a vig.

[Delenn]

Also pretty much all those options apply to whoever i scan, not only you, sooo

Vigging me is a better method of resolving us.

[Delenn]

If we don't die today/tonight, no one can claim vig without arguing redirection.

[Delenn]

If we don't die today/tonight, no one can claim vig without arguing redirection.

You aren't going to die today regardless, if you're really unlynchable, sooo...

Yes. But we've wasted a lynch without confirming my alignment when we could lynch someone who will flip.

Then by shooting us, we learn something.

[Delenn]

*eyeroll*

Ank, bad opportunism there.

We have any vig shoot us. We flip one shot unlynchable and be done with this. The bloodhound cops the actual scum and we can possibly get a scum lynch.

[Delenn]

Luna, so what do you think of vigging me here? My death reveals a lot of scummy actions and thus serves a purpose or outs there's no vig.

Any SKs have to shoot me or lose their obvious fakeclaim. Scum wouldn't dare shoot me.

Beyond losing us, what incentive is there not to have me vigged?

[Delenn]

Luna, so what do you think of vigging me here? My death reveals a lot of scummy actions and thus serves a purpose or outs there's no vig.

Any SKs have to shoot me or lose their obvious fakeclaim. Scum wouldn't dare shoot me.

Beyond losing us, what incentive is there not to have me vigged?

I'd prefer you stop thinking about dying.

And I would prefer Mollie to actually let me play but I know there's always a conspiracy theory with her. So at least I can be useful.

We don't always get what we want.

[Delenn]

So Mollie, what do you think of vigging me tonight and letting Luna check you?

[Delenn]

Luna, you and Ank are drowning shit out. We know he's scum, don't let him do that.

Talk to me about anyone else.

[Delenn]

Old play style? So you are an alt?

I am not as good with Mara. Need more Anti to read purple. Who is Art?

Less aggressive? I am not seeing anything passive from Hippy?

[Delenn]

Anyway, I am out. Please limit the spamming guys. Others have to read this. Won't be back until late tomorrow.

[Delenn]

P-edit:

Ari is obvtown. Davesto is starting to be obvtown.

Unless you're personally attacking people or just voting someone for being in the game or game throwing, no one should hate your play style. Can you say what site or other name then?

[Delenn]

VLA today/tomorrow. Bad backpain. Hoping to sleep it off.

I wanted innocent child out of the games.

[Delenn]

VLA is for both heads since Klingon is VLA

[Delenn]

sala if you want it to be night just lynch obvscum klitus!

That's

Cletus

, pal.

No, wait...

Cletus McChav

[Delenn]

I deliberately have done jacks hit so no one can blame us for being toxic. The only thing toxic is people repeatedly wagoning me in every game.

What a remarkable plan. Pick a role which prevents your lynch, then do zero scumhunting, or zero pro-town actions in general, or zero actions that might actually inhibit the town from lynching you.

I see you have thought this through quite clearly.

This is a great read if one imagines TSO with a Darth Vadar voice.

Seriously, though, we're talking to each other in our chat trying to sort things out. We are agreed that BotLane looks pretty scummy. What are your thoughts on BotLane, TSO?

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

Delenn: is the kthxbye vote still just because of the hydra dissonance?

As of this post there are no votes at all on Kthxbye?

Klinoncelt

[Delenn]

... Delenn will help us sort things if/when they flip,but if that is all we focus on today, we will be left with literally nothing if she is in fact unlynchable because we won't get a flip and she could still be either town or scum. We learn literally nothing except who is willing to vote her. ... It would be safe for people who just seem to like to vote Titus, as they could fit anywhere in the spectrum of alignments are are unlikely to suffer any backlash from it.

The more I think aabout it, the more I realize how shitty this wagon really is.

^ This. So much this.

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

Ari/Dave, would you two consider voting Botlane? We're polishing a case but with my back and her issues it's taking longer than we'd like. I would like my townreads (you two plus Luna) to agree on a wagon.

[Delenn]

@Farside, Best wishes.

@TSO, We didn't jump on Botlane as opportunism to survive. That's shit. Level was that wagon. We believe Botlane is scum. We've been trying to get our townreads on that wagon.

@Dave, What incentive do scum have to play when we'll just be lynched? The argument that most of the active people are doing this only encourages Mollie's spite and pettiness and rewards her for making the game unreadable.

@Shiro, If I don't die, then we know there's no vig and we use two mislynched on me while scum sit around doing nothing. You'd think by now that scum would actually start a counter wagon if I was scum.

@Mollie, Sorry you're sick but I am not playing another game with you anytime soon. Anytime I disagree with you, you spam the thread with bullshit and no one ever holds you accountable.

[Delenn]

Mollie is still spewing hate just less transparently so but this mod thinks her behavior is ok.

Anyway, which is better? Having day 3 be day 1 because no one is scum hunting or vigging us? It's the latter.

[Delenn]

Ika doesnt like you either titus so meh :/

Ika and I are friends. I wotc ika because he does the same thing to me and I can read him with near 100% accuracy. I like the guy. Don't confuse the game with the player. I hate Mollie's play but like Mollie.

[Delenn]

Nah TSO might be town.

Dave is likely town. Kaboose and Vedith not so town.

[Delenn]

Can we lynch Kaboose for being useless and probably scum?

I would be down for Kaboose or Vedith. Both heads agree on BotLane.

[Delenn]

Vote:Kaboose

I am fairly certain I am right and If he is indeed Unlynchable that he is scum Unlynchable.

Unlynchables should be vigged after everyone puts a position down on them.

[Delenn]

Can we lynch Kaboose for being useless and probably scum?

I would be down for Kaboose or Vedith. Both heads agree on BotLane.

Forgot Kaboose was unlynchable.

[Delenn]

Then vigging him proves it.

[Delenn]

VOTE: Vedith

I have enough of that trivializing shit. I die faster if vigged. Vig is confirmed. Everyone but scum win. Yet that's a problem for you...maybe because you haven't scum hunted.

[Delenn]

And the fact lizard left after being wagoned and Vedith is scummy as shit?

[Delenn]

Down for being shot as town is just stupid. Nothing more, nothing less.

Town unlynchables should be down for being vigged if deemed scummy by the vig in this setup. Saves town time, confirms a vig presence and gives information lynching them would not.

Plus in the case of Judas, scum want to lynch unlynchables to gain players. Denies info, possibly increases chance of gaining a player and worst case removes a barrier to lynching, scum WANT to lynch unlynchables.

[Delenn]

Shiro, you're your own slot. Do your own thinking. The whole a lot of people say it, therefore it must be right is bollocks. Do your own thinking.

In Stevens Universe, we just sat back and let majority implode themselves because the majority had been right.

[Delenn]

Shiro stop defending vedith vs Unlynchables

Well I never played with Unlynchable so I don't really know how horrible it is to lynch them. I just assumed that with the size of Delenn wagon it can't be that bad

P.edit. I will trust you on that Sala.

Still think Kaboose is scum though

Vote:Vedith

And you're still wrong.

Do something to prove otherwise. Scumhunt.

[Delenn]

Shiro, you're your own slot. Do your own thinking. The whole a lot of people say it, therefore it must be right is bollocks. Do your own thinking.

In Stevens Universe, we just sat back and let majority implode themselves because the majority had been right.

Titus, I have no idea why you would say that.

Shes voting scum, regardless.

I dont want a no-lynch.

Why I would say what?

[Delenn]

@Greninja, nah she said majority = not wrong. That's not independent thought.

[Delenn]

I am out for awhile. Play nice.

[Delenn]

We aren't lynching unlynchables.

TSO, you think I am scum lying about my role? Why do you think that and what would I hypothetically gain?

Second, I am still fine with a BotLane wagon. Klingon is still VLA.

[Delenn]

I do Mollie.

[Delenn]

*eyeroll*

You're ignoring my questions TSO.

I am not evading lynch because of my role. I am not being lynched because I am town and only scum or townbeards want an effective no lynch day 1. So if you'd answer my questions that would help me determine which you are?

After all, if I am scum fmpov, wouldn't it be better if I am shot?

There's one big reason why I am not scum and I am definitely not lying about being unlynchable. It's almost like only newbies put in the effort to read me.

[Delenn]

And that's why I don't want to play with you Mollie.

Pro town = they're scum, can't talk about anyone else.
Pro scum = they're scum, can't talk about anyone else.
Can't read them = they're scum, can't talk about anyone else.
Disagrees with me = scum can't talk about anyone else.

Then you act as if I need to improve to stop your zealotry.

[Delenn]

TSO, the longer you evade my questions, the more easy it becomes to show my wagon is zealotry/scum driven.

[Delenn]

Tso this is the third time I am asking you to answer my questions.

I am not "cluttering the thread" by engaging you but seeking to determine your alignment. You should be aptly familiar with my play and why I would not claim unlynchable. Yet, you refuse to let me discuss this with you indicates scum rather than town as I am mislynched by hysteria regarding me being scum rather than actual scummy play.

[Delenn]

TSO is a scum read.

If you presume I am scum, you should still presume I am unlynchable. Titus's first rule of playing scum is don't lie. So you can conclude that I am unlynchable.

Yet if I am unlynchable, I gain nothing as scum by claiming it as it just causes me to be vigged.

My rules are detailed in the How to Read Titus thread or basically any scum QT I am in. I just don't lie.

The fact you were sidestepping this TSO is scum TSO more than town TSO.

[Delenn]

Also Im done playing anygames involving Titus because all it does is piss me off over policy lynching a lategame player because she doesnt play by MS's Meta.

Seriously. I like titus and all, but apparently her games end up in LYNCH HER OR DIE

My scum record is the reason why. My teams do not lose. The last loss I had was signs and void and before that it's still awhile. So seasoned players just scream lynch Titus setting a bad example or causing players to basically blame me and wotc me which isn't fair to me since we don't punish that behavior.

[Delenn]

@TSO: I'll lend you my vote on Delenn if and only if we're running close to deadline and i don't find anything else i want to lynch, in which case i'd be ok verifying the unlynchable claim, in the meantime there's a bunch of other people we should be looking at, if Delenn is groupscum, she's not alone (Well maybe she is considering the setup)

Well gee now we're just going to get a shit ton of lynch Titus spam and no actual scum hunting because they get rewarded for making the game unplayable for everyone else.

[Delenn]

This game is depressing, how many pages of lynch titus has it been now?

Then don't reward it and vote Vedith.

[Delenn]

Also Im done playing anygames involving Titus because all it does is piss me off over policy lynching a lategame player because she doesnt play by MS's Meta.

Seriously. I like titus and all, but apparently her games end up in LYNCH HER OR DIE

My scum record is the reason why. My teams do not lose. The last loss I had was signs and void and before that it's still awhile. So seasoned players just scream lynch Titus setting a bad example or causing players to basically blame me and wotc me which isn't fair to me since we don't punish that behavior.

wat

Go through and find my scum games. Look at my record. I am like 10-2 or something like that since 2013.
Look at how I am mislynched as town. Same pattern.

[Delenn]

Also Im done playing anygames involving Titus because all it does is piss me off over policy lynching a lategame player because she doesnt play by MS's Meta.

Seriously. I like titus and all, but apparently her games end up in LYNCH HER OR DIE

My scum record is the reason why. My teams do not lose. The last loss I had was signs and void and before that it's still awhile. So seasoned players just scream lynch Titus setting a bad example or causing players to basically blame me and wotc me which isn't fair to me since we don't punish that behavior.

wat

Go through and find my scum games. Look at my record. I am like 10-2 or something like that since 2013.
Look at how I am mislynched as town. Same pattern.

so your 10 is a ratio of what?

you haven't played 10 scum games on here

My wiki hasn't been updated in a year and a half and I am close to 10 on there.
Add in Steven's Universe
Hilariously Unbalanced
Cheetory's mini normal
The one with the invulnerable SK (which is a rare loss)

Plus the six or seven wins on my wiki

Yeah

[Delenn]

Shiro - you feel she's potentially scum. I feel she's very strongly scum. When someone like this openly advocates that they should be handled by vig - you realise that they most definitely have an ace in their corner. A contingency plan. Dealing with her at night is cowardly and removes the blame from your shoulders. Man up and own your actions - vote or don't, but this rubbish about leaving it until night is beneath you.

Or they are town saving time for everyone.

Seriously, fear about a hidden mysterious ace in the corner.

You lynch me, I will not flip.

[Delenn]

shiro back off

How about you shut up and read someone not named titus/sala

I am reading tso's post and I like them.

I also like luna's and shiro's but I feel like I need to still work out some things.

eta: name your scumgames which you feel like you did well in

I will later but I feel I did well in every game I won in and most I lost in. I am innately good as scum.

[Delenn]

Shiro - you feel she's potentially scum. I feel she's very strongly scum. When someone like this openly advocates that they should be handled by vig - you realise that they most definitely have an ace in their corner. A contingency plan. Dealing with her at night is cowardly and removes the blame from your shoulders. Man up and own your actions - vote or don't, but this rubbish about leaving it until night is beneath you.

Or they are town saving time for everyone.

Seriously, fear about a hidden mysterious ace in the corner.

You lynch me, I will not flip.

Keep on fearmongering - your cabal of idiots aren't going to help you, Titus.

Mysterious unknown ace in the hole is fear mongering.

[Delenn]

If Im bad, youre the shit I wipe my foot off with.

Too far Greyninja.

[Delenn]

Normally I'm a little more tactful, but you literally revel in your badness, so you may as well just embrace it.

You do realize the entirety of you game is devolved into Titus is scum and anyone else disagrees.

You have done zero scum hunting. You're just Titus is scum selling.

[Delenn]

That's at least something I can respond to but here comes a no response.

[Delenn]

And no, it's impossible to fake everything. You can be really good at faking some things, but you will have weaknesses as scum. Period.

-Ank

Which is why my scum rule 1 is best, don't lie. Faking facts is stupid. It's much easier to reveal selected facts as needed.

[Delenn]

Firebringer, vote Vedith. (A)

All the town are doing it.

Lol. Seriously, I will try to keep my rate of posting down.

[Delenn]

I know I don't get you.

[Delenn]

@Mollie, You asked me to stop spam posting, I do and I am scum for it? Bullshit. This is why I don't want to play with you. It's a circular argument where the conclusion is Titus is scum, no matter what happens. You don't reconsider.

The whole thing about all the experienced people are right is not how town loses games. It's a clear indication of my point that you've seen me do well as scum and that's why you want to lynch me. Aristophanes actually has played with scum me (I think he was in the mini normal hosted by Cheetory).

You weren't voting us for spam. There's zero way you could have as we were nowhere near being the top poster. That's a myth. You also weren't voting us originally for correcting the spam problem, that justification came later.

You were voting us because you thought my town game was so shitty you thought Klingon would never ever deign to ask for my help. That I was beneath you and not good enough to ask. You ignored my explanations that I ICed for her off-site for several games. This again, is you tunnelling us the minute I disagree with you.

You getting burnt out, is a decent possibility to cause your behavior. Yet, it was your spam and relentless focus on us that created this situation where no one could actually scumhunt.

Now, I will be out most of the day, trying to figure out why only one half of my house has power.

~Titus

[Delenn]

@TiKC: Why did you feel the need to stop spamposting when a person who annoys you tells you to?

It's her excuse for always voting us and I am trying to model good town behavior for KC.

[Delenn]

And making the game about a scumread is a remarkably effective way of garnering reads. You're town, mollie's town, Delenn's scum, Aristo's scum, Fire's town.

TLDR, go fish for my points.

All who vocally disagree are scum. Those who vocally agreed or are a possible swing vote = town.

P.S. Vedith case has been made and you're ignoring that so your attitude is rich here. It's not a lack of reading that's making anyone disagree. It's a lack of listening or lack of evidence.

[Delenn]

And why is Vedith town? Argue that without presuming my alignment.

[Delenn]

TSO, look at your reads. Your sure townreads agree with you and your sure scumreads disagree with you. You basically ignored me calling you a hypocrite saying the case had been made on Vedith and you ignored it to reiterate that those who agree with you are town and are sure on that until the end game.

Luna's likely town. BotLane and Vedith are likely scum. That's what I got. Greyninja may be town. If you want more, you have to allow people to work.

[Delenn]

I'd be surprised if there wasn't at least 2 scum in the less vocal slots of the game. Rabble x3's Vedith wagon hop especially peeves me out.

-Ank

The wagon jumpers leave me a little paranoid it's tvt. Yet rabble is easy to pick on because they are not here.

Vedith has the same pattern and has lurked since his wagon took off.

[Delenn]

@TiKC: Why did you feel the need to stop spamposting when a person who annoys you tells you to?

It's her excuse for always voting us and I am trying to model good town behavior for KC.

Was your earlier lurking also a model of good town behaviour for KC?

You're not even trying to maintain a consistent story any more.

Vedith case has been made

Quote it.

I wasn't lurking. I was not doing much at first letting others take the lead. Good town play does that.

I will quote it. Give me a few moments and I will. No spam please.

[Delenn]

@TiKC: Why did you feel the need to stop spamposting when a person who annoys you tells you to?

It's her excuse for always voting us and I am trying to model good town behavior for KC.

Was your earlier lurking also a model of good town behaviour for KC?

You're not even trying to maintain a consistent story any more.

Vedith case has been made

Quote it.

I wasn't lurking. I was not doing much at first letting others take the lead. Good town play does that.

I will quote it. Give me a few moments and I will. No spam please.

[Delenn]

I didnt know frog does Fantasy football....

Anyways Vedith is Lizard's replacement.

And we know there was a case made on Lizard.

Lizard was and still is scummy. All Vedith's spot did was jump on the biggest train and go woe is me. It's been there. I could go through and do this for almost every player voting Vedith.

The case on Vedith is he's being an opportunist, not sscumhunting, jumping on the biggest wagon when people say he's not town, failing to support anything he does with evidence, and he inherited Lizard's scuminess.

The weaker point is Delenn is obviously town and Vedith has a chance to be scum.

[Delenn]

@Mollie,

That's true Klingon asked me. I ICed for her on other sites. I addressed it like 5 fucking times already.

To say that I didn't do well in Hilariously Unbalanced or Signs and Void or any of my other games is just insulting and demeaning. I am nominated for a scummy for my scumplay. To just claim I suck is spewing hate.

Again, this cog did thing is just you disagreeing. I am uniquely qualified as I see Klingon on many sites and here is the only one where she is mislynched. That's not cognitive dissonance. That's me looking after my newbies. Dragonspawn, Klingoncelt, Silverwolf, Flubbernugget (from this site), are all players I consider my newbies. I would help them get better.

This is straight consistent and disagreeing with you. You can't fathom this being true though because you vote park me D1 (when you know its me).

[Delenn]

Didn't you say you were going to quote it?

Quotes got borked BC phone posting.

People on Titus include Mala, TSO, Mollie, and Anti

As I said, players who love mislynching Titus D1

You have no votes on you, stop being so dramatic.

Pedit - Well, now you do.

Actually shiro lets vote this.

Vedith can get lynched today.

VOTE: Vedith

I'm going to hop into the field for now and sheep along.

VOTE: Delenn

OMG SO TOWN.

Nah TSO might be town.

Dave is likely town. Kaboose and Vedith not so town.

Can we lynch Kaboose for being useless and probably scum?

I would be down for Kaboose or Vedith. Both heads agree on BotLane.

VOTE: Vedith

I have enough of that trivializing shit. I die faster if vigged. Vig is confirmed. Everyone but scum win. Yet that's a problem for you...maybe because you haven't scum hunted.

And the fact lizard left after being wagoned and Vedith is scummy as shit?

[Delenn]

That chain of thought can be seen in almost every ISO. Vedith has been scummy. Lizard has been scummy.

[Delenn]

What you're saying is that you believe the claim. I'm saying I don't believe the claim, and both logic and probability agree with me. Our conversation cannot progress when you are unwilling to lynch someone because of a claim that has no authenticity, other than the word of the person making it.

Actually, how to read Titus is the proof.

Anyone who has played with me as scum knows my teams win with the truth.

Hell I won a flawless victory as a mafia suicide bomber, while claiming it.

You can keep harping no evidence, but there's plenty there. You ignoring this to harp no evidence is stupid.

Plus common sense says I don't put myself in the vig fire so we can get a lynch as scum. But hey, common sense isn't evidence...

[Delenn]

The only game my scumteams won with an outright lie, I did design it, but Varsoon lied. I know I am a horrible liar. So I don't lie. That's life as an aspie..

[Delenn]

A+ post but for the fact you call rabble a cancer, which is a personal attack, kthx.

[Delenn]

Off topic: Is anyone an electrician here?

[Delenn]

What are you talking about? Chain of thought? The case on Vedith, aside from you quoting yourself calling him scummy a few times, is that he admitted he was sheeping, and then tried to renege on that because it doesn't sound great. That's it. Half the quotes you pulled are utterly unrelated to Vedith-scum.

Nah I was quoting the very foundations of the renewed (from lizard) wagon. I quoted reasons that I claimed Vedith was scum.

Now you're dismissing.

Oh and I do admit that one quote was out of place.

To show where a case has been laid, you quote the parts.

[Delenn]

Kthx - that wagon isn't going to happen, I'm afraid.

Shiro - people do this thing called lying as scum. In her most recent scum game, Titus lied a lot. If you actually think she can't do the same here, that she holds to some kind of honour code as scum - this is a highly naive and inexperienced view.

Wrong. I omitted. I didn't lie much. I omitted the rolecop got flavor claims and created a mistaken impression bold quote words triggered actions.

It's not an honor code. It's just something I don't do.

[Delenn]

Also, this is going no where. We can end the debate here and now.

@ModIka - I would like to PewPew my gun at Delenn

Thanks

GOT EM
Let me check the dayvig roles, I believe there's a town and mafia one

Pedit: How do you know it's fake?

Fake dayvigs are as common as mod flips almost.

[Delenn]

This is why I wanted to know if Kaboose or Delenn should be shot. No one else answered so I went with Delenn

That's a lie.

[Delenn]

Why is it a lie?

Did you not see how many people were like, I am going to vote Kaboose but he's unlynchable/faking it.

[Delenn]

It's an extremely verifiable lie, though.

Shiro - Steven Universe. Titus and I played as the Trench Warfare hydra, though I was largely absent from d3 on.

And you'll see me at endgame detailing my "lies". Not many.

Seriously, you can't argue that I have a childish view of my own scumgame by arguing that I am naive at how much I lie and then argue that I am lying about that.

The fact is I manipulate facts as scum and don't lie.

[Delenn]

The amount of people voting you clearly outweights that, Titus.

Nah, you've got vote parked butthurt players, hydras that vanish and an eligible lyncher (even from your PoV) who has half vanished at best.

The quantity says nothing.

[Delenn]

Why is it a lie?

Did you not see how many people were like, I am going to vote Kaboose but he's unlynchable/faking it.

Wait what?
No one cast a vote on Kaboose after I asked my question.

Right, because he's unlynchable claiming. He would have been voted if not for that. Are you even reading? No. You're nt. You're fake dayvigging me hoping for something to twist.

Do you have any scumreads?

[Delenn]

I said to be shot before Kaboose claimed unlynchable.

Yet, I do feel that shooting me might be for the best but it rewards people like Mollie. That's what I hate.

[Delenn]

Kaboose is more likely to hit scum, duh. Yet when I said that it was for the health of the game to get scumhunting done.

[Delenn]

Pretty obvious though you're the lynch and would have shot me sooner if a town aligned dayvig.

[Delenn]

Yes.

Ari and I are town.
Luna's town and voting it because Vedith is scum AND to spite your behavior.
Davesto is a spite/confusion vote.
Kaboose is scum, I will grant you that.
Rabble has been lurking, but still possible town. (While I don't see kthx's case as right, he was still right to make it). There's a town lurker everywhere.
Shiro is town.
Grey is likely town and putting forth reads on everyone.

Versus

Mollie always tunnel Titus and blame her.
TSO tunnel.
Level minus 1, tunnel and lynch eligible.
BotLane, scummy OMGUS.
Vedith the opportunist.

Did I forget anyone?

Oh right purple hero who has quit playing.

[Delenn]

Why hadn't Vedith been hammered? Oh and I am Salulus which town sides.

Ffffff

Was me.

[Delenn]

@Grey's can't answer. TSO said I was dead and we are. I can't post anymore.

[Delenn]

@ika, while I know it's hard to be a mod, I do take issues with how you modded this. I would like to discuss with you privately in awhile so the discussion can be constructive.
~Titus

[Delenn]

By awhile I mean a week or two.