Touhou UPick 4 - [Aborted]

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Clownpiece

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No I'm scum and I'm trying to enslave you all

duh

Also I have 1 day card.

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You should neighborize me anyways.

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noddy: is there a reason you flat-out ignored me declaring a town read on you in my first post? I was kinda sorta deliberately being semi-obtuse there to see what people would do, and I guess I could see it if you figured it wasn't serious right away, but that was in part a reaction test that you failed. I would have expected town-you to see the town read and at least twitch over it (even if it looked like I was joking, I don't think it was 100% obvious), especially given how much paranoia you displayed in our PT (if this was facetious, correct me). meanwhile you-scum would know me town reading you would be absolutely necessary for you to win the game and thus stay the fuck away from it (what it looked like you were doing here).

I was going to comment on it because I didn't think anything I've said was leaning one way or the other. I don't really care if I failed. And I am very obviously playing my cards close to the chest this game.

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That post came out incoherent.

I thought of commenting because I didn't think i had done anything alignment indicative thus far. But I am playing my cards close to the chest this game and don't care that I failed the reaction test.

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No.

No.

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I am the lorax, I speak for the trees.

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muffin when you get to giving reads on people can you write the reasonings in acrostics

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muffincat can call me prematurepreschool, btw.

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muffincat, who must be sacrificed to the blood gods

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/stir pot

I don't have an issue with Sakura's entrance.

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I can't believe GIF didn't get clownpiece.

My thoughts, abridged for those on the go.

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Spoiler: clownpiece

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Hey sakura catch this shade

/me throws it

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She mispelled notty, move along.

pedit-
ninja

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ns

Because I'm adorable.

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I despise people who think others care what they despise

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explain Feysal/ns/thdgkdms/Kilga

gut gut gut gut

actually i do have somewhat legitimate reasoning for noddy but i thought it was funnier to respond like this anyway

Is it because I'm adorable

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muffincat your loyal sheep needs guidance

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I could probably get behind a feysal vote.

I want him to get a chance to do things though.

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Wat

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You are confusing that.

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I could probably get behind a feysal vote.

I want him to get a chance to do things though.

This is exactly how I feel about you right now

This has been formally acknowledged.

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Make me

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Trust me, buddyboy

You don't want to try and threaten me

:3

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Who can explain it, who can tell me why?

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I don't like nortty because he chimed in just to crap on me for saying I despise appeals to emotion. What was the point of this except to discourage conversation/misdirect? Well maybe crumb a hit on me I guess :3 but my feeling is, don't east my time.

I didn't crap on you so much as make a statement of how povs are all subjective

But I'm sure that makes me scum!

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toothy

You should use that big sexy 4x vote of yours on relentless

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Oh poor naive child.

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VOTE: Relentless

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GODS

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So, big boy

Still think you can fuck with me?

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What's this?

Four votes?

HUEHUEHUHEUHEHUE

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Yes you do

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You know you want to put him at l-1

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Toothy

What in his reaction says town to you

Is it the self-aware attitude

Is it the discredits

Is it the looking for an out

Is it the making excuses

?

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Yeah that's the bus vote but those not killing what I'm killing become what I'm killing so

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no thats a reference to antihero vs fakedog

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Kagami, is relentless town?

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I don't really see confusion.

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I know, that looks to me like he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and was looking for an out.

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I'd expect town to have a bit sharper of a reaction to a mass pile-on than he did.

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I would like to point out that I am relentless's "serious" scumread who the summation of his points is "coasting"

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Shhh Kagami

It's funny watching him think he can get me lynched

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Shhh Kagami

It's funny watching him think he can get me lynched

I don't need to get you lynched to kill you.

Oh, sweet summer child.

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Big Confirmation Bias Baby

Hello pot

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Yeah Kagami I actually am starting to question the push myself

Literally noone who has been in a past one of these games would let him try what he's trying

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That being said, your point about the hoods is null because iirc bork has already brought them up

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AND WITH THAT

VOTE: muffincat

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Also, because I'm an asshole and your threats are cute, you can stop crumbing vig.

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Nope, only happy happy funland gets explanations

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tbh if anything people can read the power high and recognize it from the past touhou games where I've been town all 3 times

soooooooooo

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giffy wat

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VOTE: shadoweh

why not muffincat

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Thats a good question

who is sakura

hmmmm

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Man, I wonder what I'd do with a vig.

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I'm rather annoyed at Notscience right now. I thought I knew how he plays by now, but seeing him isolate himself in an ivory tower with his cabal and attack someone for daring to question him is something new. It is so overt it is not even suspicious, but it is definitely not pro-town either. What the hell do you think you are doing?

Would you like to talk about it?

You've seen firsthand the type of mayhem I like to ensue as scum, why does this not bother you?

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I'm pretty sure last game I shot Sakura (correctly) N1 and then incorrectly shot malacurtains N2.

The one before that I don't remember.

The one before that I shot pie N1!

Or we can talk about the OSU one where I killed scum N1 and then took out the second N3

But that's just arrogance talking and me proving a point you are making a very odd comparison.

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Oh wait the middle one was the fucking pt spy

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Also the one where I shot pie I was correct in that shot.

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Pie's answer: Fucking adorable

next question

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Muffincat, I still need your guidance.

Please instruct on which scumfucks must be purged with extreme prejudice.

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When did Pie use his ability to draw in Sakura? When did it take effect? Why did you target Sakura?

If the answer to the first question of "was it a prearranged spat?" is no, why hide that fact? Wouldn't Notty have commented?
If its yes, what were you hoping to achieve?

Should I join and find out for my self?

A few nights ago, it was after their disagreement. I think it was the night of the relentless wagon but I cba'd to check.

It took effect immediately.

Because I'm very convincing/begged and pleaded her to.

No, it wasn't prearranged.

I don't understand what the me commenting on it question is supposed to be.

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MUFFINCAT TELL ME WHO MUST BE SMITED BEFORE THE GODS DEMAND IT TO BE YOU

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(I know he tends to spam the game with non-game related content as scum)

That is hilariously out of date

goddamnit pie

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Why does scum-me lock myself in a dungeon with two people who, if I was scum, would make sure I don't see day 2?

Your viewpoint is fine a vacuum, but when you apply meta it doesn't particularly hold weight.

"Oh meta can be manipulated hurrdur"

Also, a wagon isn't likely to get me to do what you want, so you can shove it.

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You could use that supershiny 4x vote if you truly feel that way.

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Can we just call her Shadomeh from now on

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Pls read and give guidance

It is very important to me

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I could probably vote Kagami.

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Because ultimately the gambit was my idea and I like to do things that are absolutely outrageous as scum (see: pushing a lynch based on the same post restrictions as lyncher, posting dogs to get someone lynched, and that) that kinda disrupt what's going on and come off as too bold to do so the reason I'm asking is why it didn't bother you that I'm playing in a way similarly disruptive.

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Yeah gaiden can join our hood.

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Nickel for your thoughts?

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You've said you think hes scum several times but idk why you think hes scum

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I could vote Bork.

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VOTE: bork

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I actually have no real read on you atm

You just told me to try and vote you so I did

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Insert townreading and willing to vote nontownread spiel here.

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Town
sakura
pie
giffy
Relentless
paladin
Feysal
gaiden

Maybe
mu ffincat
regular muffin

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I haven't had a chance to read borkaloo's posts today yet outside of light skimming and likely won't til later tonight

Do they look town?

He issued a defiant challenge to me in particular for saying I' vote him

That was interesting

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I don't play in thread because I worry about catching disease from the unwashed masses.

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noddy with his goon squad behind him

I prefer happy happy funland compatriots

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Additionally, he immediately weakened that stance in 636 when I posted 625

Yeah, no.

You're attributing things to my posts I never said- First off, I said I could vote you, because guess what! I am willing to vote people I'm not townreading! That's not a new thing for me!

So, do tell.

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There are a whole slew of people you're not townreading, yeah? What makes me special?

You were the current topic of conversation.

I could go on and explain the merits of trying to consolidate a wagon, and if I was townreading you I probably would have said the opposite!

But saying I could vote you because you were A) the topic of conversation, B) someone I'm not townreading, and C) with a deadline impending shows very little in an attempt to actually read me and screams OMGUS. It's also probably why you targeted me out of everyone on the list, I have gone out of my way to be a nuisance thus far and if there's a read that people will identify with it's that one.

It's flimsy as fuck.

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shows very little in an attempt to actually read me and screams OMGUS.

I've made attempts to engage with you and you've either ignored me or offered cryptic bullshit.
Did I say anywhere that I scumread you because you're voting me? No? then it's not an OMGUS.
Why the fuck should I be townreading you this game?

So why do you comment on me when I'm the topic of conversation and with me when I'm actually pushing you but ignore me the rest of the game?

Literally the only reason I'm even in this thread is pie asked me to a few days ago. If I had it my way I'd still be chilling in SDM.

But you're right, you didn't explicitly call my vote in particular on you out and then scumread me. My mistake. I must have you confused with some other scumfuck.

For one, and I've said this /in thread/ that the powerhigh is very evidently the same powerhigh exhibited in the past 3 games (hint: I drew town in all of them) or it could be the fact that you're literally the only one of the meta circle who is even after my head right now.

But sure! I decided to be an active nuisance as scum to piss off the people not in the meta circle because I was fully confident in my capabilities to snow the meta circle, so much so that I insisted pie bring in my other biggest threat to SDM so I can snow them both while I get off to their townreads in the scum PT while everyone who doesn't know me gets pissed off with my antics.

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Even despite how self-aware I am and knowing which things I'm able to fake or not I'm not fucking stupid

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Granted I will admit lately my scum motto's been "why the fuck would scum do this" "EXACTLY" but even still there's literally no chance I would have tried it here with people who have seen me at it first hand, in some cases several times.

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It's like you can't fakeclaim something in a game where people KNOW you've been looking to fakeclaim it because then it just gets lolpushed.

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Muffinman

doing the lord's work

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VOTE: Chocola

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I doubt fakedog will count mine and muffincats "vote"s

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It sounds like a ploy to get you to defend him tbh.

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Hi ffery!

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That I wasn't going to let myself townread him early and muffin was making sense

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Also, full disclosure ffery, you're prob going to be ready to throttle me when you finish your catchup

have fun!

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I should also update my opinion on notscience while I'm here.
Like, I'm just wondering why he's getting away with the shit he's pulling right now? Is he some sort of miracle worker in his QT that's spreading to the main topic through diffusion?
For the majority of the game so far, he's hasn't really done much other than be loud.
Like he started the game by saying that he'd be playing his cards close to his chest (92/93) and doesn't really do much of anything until 317 where The_Relentless calls him out on not doing anything.
His response to The_Relentless is needlessly antagonistic, as is most of his behavior throughout the game, and that tends to get in the way of scumhunting. I don't get why you would want to act that way as town.
Comments like those in 375 only further this reasoning.
notscience's next set of activity is him pushing The_Relentless for, what looks like to me, virtually no reason other than him making good on his thread in 320 (which only comes after somebody else votes for The_Relentless.
384 is a vote on zMuffinMan that he refuses to explain, citing that only people in his neighbourhood get to see the explanation. (387) Like, what the actual fuck? "Hey guys I'm going to vote for this person because fuck you you don't deserve to see my reasoning."
I believe I said this in my previous post, but limiting your audience also reduces the level of criticism that your actions fall under. I don't get why you wouldn't want to share your opinions on why someone is scummy with everyone given that you kind of need other people to vote with you in order to lynch someone.
I don't understand why notscience voted for Shadoweh in 433 and I probably never will because notscience doesn't seem to want to share his opinions with anyone that isn't in his QT.
Also when Feysal calls him out in 418 notscience's immediate response is to just cite some meta which seems more like him dodging the question entirely. Like, who the hell answers "So what are you doing here?" (Feysal 418) with "Hey look at all this shit I did with vigs in other games!" (notscience 446)? What the fuck?
notscience's next vote is on Borkjerfkin with the reason "I voted you because you told me to" (636). Basically "hurrdurr lookatme i has vote".
notscience's entire activity this game has been nothing but antagonistic bullshit and he admits as much in 726 where he claims the only reason he's even posting anything in thread is because pieguyn is telling him to.
Can someone tell me why notscience is getting away with this bullshit?

First off, you ask why being needlessly antagonistic is something that town would even want to do, without asking why scum would want to do it. Yes, it could "disrupt" the attempts to read me, but on the other side of the coin it puts me in a negative light for being so out there.

Second off, the vote on Relentless came after I had been bothering my hoodmates to vote him first and I want an lolflashwagon that, without their backing, would have been pointless.

Third off, I'm playing more towards figuring out who I think is town and going from there. I'm not really trying to get anyone lynched so I don't really have a reason to explain my scumreads, and even then you've entirely glossed over the whole "why does scum-NS lock himself in a room with the 2 people who are his biggest threats" thread of questioning.

Fourth off, you blatantly misrep'd the interaction with feysal. Yes, he called me out and said he

couldn't see why scum would play like this

to which I responded with meta OF ME DOING THIS AS SCUM. It wasn't handwaved at all and it shows you're not actually attempting to read what I've done. You've also blatantly misrep'd the conversation. 446 was a response to Sky Paladin, 443 was the meta response which you noted yourself before in this post that was to feysal. So.

Fifth off, I telegraphed that bork vote pretty hard and it was ultimately just me being cheeky at first.

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Also, full disclosure ffery, you're prob going to be ready to throttle me when you finish your catchup

have fun!

is this about the relentless lolwagon or do I have something else to look forward to?

I just overall have not been a shining pinnacle of easy to get a bearing on.

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Her read on me is still that I'm fucking adorable

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Can we lynch Shadoweh instead?

My understanding of the chocola wagon was it was better to lynch a lurker and sort out what's going on with everyone saying they can be confirmed on day 2.

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Im around if you want to talk about things

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I was townreading gif and him being a nonentity recently bugs me but I doubt it means anything

Im sheeping pie and sakura on gaiden

And feysal is kinda just based on how hes sounded. The only thing that bugged me was him not making that connection but I can understand him not.

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About the absurdity in my play this game compared to disney

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We are happy happy funland compatriots dammit

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Full disclosure one of my first thoughts is f erys magical townread on me would be exactly what I wanted to see from various metacirclers

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I mean

The heart wants what it wants

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Pie is also gonig to be downgraded to danish if she doesn't catch up soon!

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Ir was poking fun.

Im still gunshy tbh

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pt

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Fery

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If pie's scum she won't let me live long. So, meh.

Admittedly part of my pleading for Sakura in our hood was because I wanted her opinion on pie too.

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(as a side note, that's probably the paranoia of mine you want to fan the most so NYUUUUUUUUUUUUUG)

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MUFFINCAT GIVE ME GUIDANCE

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idk she was vla but last I heard she was townreading him

And I'm not saying it's unfounded I'm just saying that's twice that you're hitting the exact chords I want to hear but I don't think they are exactly overly obscure? Like literally any of them know that I'd be hoping to be townread and giving me the townread will appease me somewhat and pie's also burned me somewhat recently so I can see people knowing thats who to try and make me spaz out on (which im trying really hard not to do tbh (BECAUSE SHE SHOULD SEEI M TOWN BY NOW))

pedit-

I wish I could kill everything

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The thing about the townread on me being wht I wanted to hear and then the paranoia bit about pie

I'm trying to phrase it correctly but its basically

"I like being townread, and I am susceptible to pie-anoia" and you doing both kinda makes me do a double take but I'm really not sure I want to lynch you in the first place which is why my vote's on shadoweh!

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Where do danishes fall on the scale

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DONT MAKE ME SMITE YOU DANISH

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Kagami I think conditional vig is the name of the game.

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Why no shadoweh?

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YEAH DANIsH CATCH UP WITH THE FUCKING GAME

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Guyincoldplace

where's your head at

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what if we get you to l-4

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If I just got quickhammered you better be purged tomorrow.

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god fucking dammit

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I want to proudly say we got a scumfuck lolwagoned for voting me

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muffincat I had an open offer in my PT that if you carried the game I would auto-sheep you day 1 of our next game

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SAKURA STOLE MY FIRST PICK BTW

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I was talking about when we goonsquaded relentless

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I think you were swaying me because I didn't really feel interested in lynching you.

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tbh I had considered the gameplan coming into this game "vig muffincat, if town sheep his reads and vig them all the next few nights"

as a legitimate strategy

I was not pleased with my vig limitation

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Nope

Will likely do it again

was 99% dickwaggling tbh

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Bad enough you guys had to take me out day 1 with me doing fuckall

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p.p.s. pls be more sheepable in the future thx

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I mean

if we got to night 9 and forced EVERYONE to burn all their cards

I would have e z p z

pedit-

DIBS ON HECATIA

SUCK IT SAKURA

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Also first prein

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how mad will pie be if i break up sdm next game