BLOODBORNE MAFIA - GAME OVER

[Liger_Zero]

Hello all.
I have some reading to do on this it seems.....

[Liger_Zero]

So many mechanics, some very interesting like no dead thread, and sending anon messages at night.
I guess I should start reading the game thread soon though.

[Liger_Zero]

Okay, I cannot get into reading all these pages today.
I will delve into this game tomorrow, I have time to do so then.
I need sleep right now.

[Liger_Zero]

Hello all, I haven't read this unfortunately.
Is there anything I should be specifically looking at?

Can someone give me a quick summary of events.

[Liger_Zero]

I scum read your slot becuase of the last person who was in your slot attempted to role fish , advertising that I'm scum without ever engaging , delaying the conversation about his reads with me like the way he did in a scum game of his and accusing me for just omgusing him and being emotionally involved in scum reading him.

Shiro the other head of this hydra , believes that his behavior was coming from a "not giving a fuck town" who has no way to be scum becuase of that replace out.

I really like to see your reads on my slot , KC party , the huntmaster votes and the wagons on Shadow and Bogre and shinobi.

I know its a real hard thing to ask for you to read all the 70 pages today but I really appreciate to see your catch up asap

~Rylai

Okay thanks.
Ill try to catch up.
Kind of confused on your read on my slot though given this post?

[Liger_Zero]

Hello all, I haven't read this unfortunately.
Is there anything I should be specifically looking at?

Can someone give me a quick summary of events.

dw man ur already doing better than half the slots in the game.

basically it's been a bunch of bickering as d1's usually are. there's been some debate over who should be the master of the hunt. Reasonably Irrational has claimed they have a role-related reason it's best for them Huntmaster. Mixed6 has also been campaigning and Rylai and Lina has a decent amount of support as well.

two main wagons being driven are Shinobi and shadow_Step. there have been some vanity votes which you can trace reasons for by looking into ISO's. right now there's some support being drummed up for a lurker lynch because there's a lot of lurk in this game and we'd rather the talkative people stick around. Bogre has collected a few votes under this premise as well as some scumreads on him. Mixed6 wants PeregrineV to be the lynch and Reasonably Irrational wants Hastur & Muriel to be the lynch.

and yeah, that pretty much brings us to now.

Okay so best vote for huntmaster should be Reasonably Irrational?
I mean mechanically if they have a reason that makes more sense.

[Liger_Zero]

Okay so best vote for huntmaster should be Reasonably Irrational?
I mean mechanically if they have a reason that makes more sense.

if you trust him, sure.

Well, if they have a real reason for having the huntmaster mechanic, then having them will sort itself out right?

I mean, its not like they can completely sabotage it with getting it day 1, correct?

[Liger_Zero]

Just judging by the posts of the players there seems to be only about 5 people actively playing this lol.

[Liger_Zero]

And I mean it's not like you being town is the only explanation. Without hearing it from you, I could have taken my direction in any number of ways. Sure, Shinobi is the "easy mislynch" but the dichotomy between shadow_step and he was already there. You coulda been introducing a new candidate hoping to distract from both of them.

Which reminds me

Gigalurk Tier:

Bogre
Hastur & Muriel
PeregrineV
Heuristic_Arrow

Lurker McLurkface Tier

Toogeloo
Xkfyu
Zulfy
Gee Willikers

shadow_step

LurkLite™ Tier:

Sensei
randomidget
Ranger
Klingoncelt

EBWOP[/quote]
You would think more people would be interested in playing this since it has so many interesting mechanics. Though maybe it creates more apathy.

I wouldn't be against lynching a lurker today. I can get my barring on many of the other players Day 2.

[Liger_Zero]

Huh.
That really seemed like a TvT

[Liger_Zero]

Huntmaster vote: Reasonably Irrational

VOTE: Hastur and Muriel

[Liger_Zero]

Liger_Zero: Why? What about that seemed TvT? It was 80% theory talk.

The conversation between you two might have been about theory and playstyle, but it came from a perspective of at least you two not seeming to know each others alignments. At least more so for you. Rylai maybe not, but due to the mechanics of this game I am unsure if that is even telling.

What are odds of multiple scum factions in this?

[Liger_Zero]

Why are you guys copying all these lists of other players. Or even combining them?
Its pretty obvious to anyone looking at the game the inactive slots...

[Liger_Zero]

We could use a VC I think...

Unofficial Vote count:

Shinobi (4): [SPIDER], Nahdia, Almost50, Shadow_Step
Shadow_Step (4): Sensei, Gee Willikers, Bogre, Shinobi
randomidget (1): PeregrineV
Patches the Spider (2): Zulfy, Toogeloo
Bogre (6): Xkyfu, Randomidget, Mixed6, Rylai and Lina (BLOODLETTER), Ranger, Hastur and Muriel
Hastur and Muriel (2): Reasonably Irrational Liger_Zero
Rylai and Lina (1): Patches the Spider, Klingoncelt

[Liger_Zero]

I am not liking this lynch on Bogre, even though I have yet to read his posts, just the way its going down and the consensus on it, I don't really like.

I will have to read their posts to better get why everyone is scumreading them.
It seems like too easy of a lynch.

[Liger_Zero]

what about shinobi red/green flip will tell you?

what about shadow red/green flip will tell you?

~Rylai

Are preflip associations common here?

[Liger_Zero]

what is too easy for a lynch and what is not? can you define me that?

who do you prefer over Bogre?

if you didn't read his posts why you don't like it? its not like you played the game with us to see why people are voting him. why are people voting him?

An easy lynch is lynching someone everyone is scum reading on that nobody points out is terrible. The chances the scum are bussing their ally day 1 could be high, but since this lynch is more compromise its unlikely a buss by scum. Their placement in everyoens reads that I have looked at so far suggests everyone is scumreading them. In my experience scum don't all put their buddies in scum pile, and usually change it up.

My thoughts without even reading his posts is this will be a mislynch just based on how everyone is acting around the lynch.

I have no preference over Bogre, I just don't like the consensus going on.

[Liger_Zero]

I feel like Nahdia is being really honest right now.

[Liger_Zero]

I read the mechanics and the hunting party and all that sounded interesting, but the obsession over it in day talk is kind....odd?
I don't know if its odd scummy or just odd that everyone talking about who should be in a party or the master or what not.

If Reasonably Irrational has a mechanical reason to be the huntmaster, they should be it.
The party should not be publically bartered with beforehand. I don't know why Nahdia or anyone is trying insert themselves in the party.
The party shouldn't be announced.

Though I think Reasonably Irrational should be the master given their early comment on reason for it.

[Liger_Zero]

she stated she has a town read on me.

whats wrong about her choosing me? your making no sense cerb?

~Rylai

I think the problem was that her vote seemed to only want to put you in power so she could be in the party is what he was going for? Which is a kind of bad reasoning, but I don't think its scum reasoning.

[Liger_Zero]

why are you town reading that slot this hard ?

Interactions with you. Plus I figure that if he is telling the truth it should be something likely provable that actually helps the hunting party succeed or benefit the town. If he is lying than we can call him out on it. I think its objectively the best play.

[Liger_Zero]

I'm not sure if him telling the truth or him lying about it is alignment indicative at all.

Why would he town lie about having mechanical reasons to be the huntmaster exactly?
You seem to know him well enough.

[Liger_Zero]

I really don't understand why everyone is vying for the huntmaster.
I don't understand the power hungry obsession over it lol.

[Liger_Zero]

This game is becoming just.........I don't know if the word toxic is appropriate, but its definitely not enjoyable.
I would prefer waiting for a replacement for Bogre than lynching them for being inactive, especially since mod is going to accommodate a search, but seriously this thread is blowing up too fast and I think we can all do without spam posts.

[Liger_Zero]

Updated Reads List:

T - Rylai and Lina, Shadow_Step, Randomidget, Almost50
L/T - Mixed6, Shinobi, Daenerys and Dragons
N/T - Ranger, Klingoncelt, Zulfy, Nahdia
N - PeregrineV, Xkyfu, Heuristic_Arrow, Hastur and Muriel
L/S - Gee Willikers, Sensei
S - Bogre, Reasonably Irrational, Liger_Zero

I went through your ISO and theres some strong changes in this, the one I noticed most was my slot. Can you go into why on that?

[Liger_Zero]

This game is becoming just.........I don't know if the word toxic is appropriate, but its definitely not enjoyable.
I would prefer waiting for a replacement for Bogre than lynching them for being inactive, especially since mod is going to accommodate a search, but seriously this thread is blowing up too fast and I think we can all do without spam posts.

what about me pushing RI and he doubt casting me is not enjoyable ?

~Rylai

I think you need to focus less on people pushing you or suggesting you aren't fit for huntsmaster and focus more on the whole game. You seem to get distracted easily when someone pushes you. I am leaning town on you right now, but your reactions can get heated and I can't read into them. No offense.

[Liger_Zero]

I think you need to focus less on people pushing you or suggesting you aren't fit for huntsmaster and focus more on the whole game. You seem to get distracted easily when someone pushes you. I am leaning town on you right now, but your reactions can get heated and I can't read into them. No offense.

I'm focusing on the whole game and thats a part of it .

for example I started to think your town becuase of your backward postings.

Where are you in your catchup?

~Rylai

I am going backwards from when I joined, so things are muddled but I am at around page 40.

[Liger_Zero]

I am going backwards from when I joined, so things are muddled but I am at around page 40.

ok

reads so far?

~Rylai

I will give them when I have done my full view of the game. Though I am mixed on a few players, right now I want to say Toogeloo is most scummy player, but I could see some town motivation in some of his posts.

[Liger_Zero]

What is the vote count at?

[Liger_Zero]

sigh.

i really don't wanna be left off the lynch wagon v_v

I don't care. Stay off the lynch wagon. Same with Shinobi. I want someone who is more townie looking on my Bogre wagon.

Liger, Klingon, Gee. Those are the players I want on this wagon.

Of course, I can't stop any of you from voting for Bogre. It's your choice to make.

I must have missed where you called me town.
Why are you town reading me?

[Liger_Zero]

Mixed, you mind answering my question on your right on me?

[Liger_Zero]

I don't think mechanics that encourage lynching (regardless if it is a successful lynch) are good.
I can't tell if Nahdia or Shinobi are scummy or just selfish for joining this wagon.

[Liger_Zero]

man I just wanna lynch scum that's all.

I think you said you didn't want to be off the wagon 2 pages ago.

[Liger_Zero]

I don't think mechanics that encourage lynching (regardless if it is a successful lynch) are good.
I can't tell if Nahdia or Shinobi are scummy or just selfish for joining this wagon.

I really wanted Klingon and you on the wagon. Early bird gets the worm.

I don't regret not voting, I am just trying to understand Nahdia and Shinobi motivation to do so.
You still have yet to explain your read on me.

[Liger_Zero]

man I just wanna lynch scum that's all.

I think you said you didn't want to be off the wagon 2 pages ago.

this might be scum.

Why?

[Liger_Zero]

I think you're more town than Nahdia and Shinobi.

They have every incentive to be on the lynch wagon. Every slain players yields blood echoes which can be used to purchase weapons from the store, or from a private collection.

You still haven't explained that read though.
Why am I more town than Nahdia or Shinobi?

I understand the incentives for town do so, but I imagine scum have that exact same incentives. And I can't discern if they are both motivated in same way town would be.

[Liger_Zero]

oh I wasn't saying Liger is scum.

i was saying the lynch might bscum.

Hopefully you are right.

[Liger_Zero]

Due to a private effect, only Rylai and Lina and Shadow_Step may be voted for during Day 2.

Huh, I wonder if this is a Gladiate?
I kind of doubt it...

[Liger_Zero]

Does that give them 4 votes or 3?

[Liger_Zero]

Also, to everyone, the weapons should be purchased by those in the Hunter's Party for a variety of reasons.

I'll go into more detail later.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Why exactly did you guys add Ranger to the party?

[Liger_Zero]

I just realized I didn't name myself in my message I sent last night. Man, I am sucking.
Anyways, I am now in two neighborhoods...
How was everyone elses night?

[Liger_Zero]

I just realized I didn't name myself in my message I sent last night. Man, I am sucking.
Anyways, I am now in two neighborhoods...
How was everyone elses night?

Who did you message?

Reasonably Irrational.

[Liger_Zero]

I didn't receive any messages.
I find the kill on Sensei to be odd, I will relook over him see if their is anything that stands out.

[Liger_Zero]

Ummm is there something there I am supposed to see is obvious need of explanation?

[Liger_Zero]

that was the only stance you took in game and it was defending Bogre who turned scum.

I like to know your thought process about them.

~Rylai

That wasn't the only stance I took in the game?

[Liger_Zero]

are you finally caught up ?

~Rylai

Yes.

[Liger_Zero]

But that was?

You called me - RI fight TvT too if that is something you call taking a stance about something.

~Rylai

So you immediately are proven wrong about your statement.

[Liger_Zero]

reads?

pedit : I don't think so? what a stance is I feel this conversion is TvT.

~Rylai

I am good on the reads. Thanks for asking.
And yes, that is a stance, and I made comments about other players too.

[Liger_Zero]

@ABR don't out the message I sent you in your hunt pt. I don't trust RI

~Rylai

What is the necessity of this? Couldn't you have added this onto your message?

[Liger_Zero]

I want your reads now

I'm not good with you avoiding sharing them

~Rylai

You can want something as much as you want.

[Liger_Zero]

How could I have known that RI is in his Party and I'm not?

How could you knew that at all to suggest such a thing?

~Rylai

I was more saying "Don't share this message with anyone" might be good to add onto your message if you are worried about the people added to the party?

I mean, I was pretty sure Mixed would add Reasonably Irrational, the other two were more of surprises to me, but I was sure he would be added.

[Liger_Zero]

how do you know anything about message and if or if not such a thing is in there or not?

why you didn't consider the possibility that I'm making sure he is paying attention by repeating a request?

What? You were the one to mention the message in the first place.
I am not following your goofy logic at all.

[Liger_Zero]

You are being ridiculous, I commented on what you have told us about your message.
How would I know any details of your message?

[Liger_Zero]

What's going on with this gladiate?
Seems pretty odd tbh.

I can confirm that shadow chose to gladiate himself to survive the night.

~Rylai

You attempted to kill Shadow?

[Liger_Zero]

You are being ridiculous, I commented on what you have told us about your message.
How would I know any details of your message?

nah I'm being a bitch

I said don't out this to RI , and you asked why I didn't put that inside my message

1 - how you knew RI will be in hunt party?
2 - why you expected me to know that?
3 - why you didn't consider the possibility that its mentioned in message as well and its just for emphasis?

~Rylai

I don't think you are being a bitch. Please don't use that word.

1) Given the status of the day, I think it was reasonable to assume he would add him.
2) If I saw it as likely, you should see it as a possibility in the least.
3) Because their is no need to r emphasis it if its contained in the message to begin with.

[Liger_Zero]

Purchase: Threaded Cane.

Anything else to comment on?

[Liger_Zero]

Vote: Rylai & Lina

Want to comment on why Rylai thinks you survived the night and gladiated them?

[Liger_Zero]

Vote: Rylai & Lina

why you chose gladiating instead of death?

~Rylai

If you are right, that means they are more likely scum.
Town wouldn't cause a gladiate to begin a day.

[Liger_Zero]

I laid out my case on you to the person I messaged (not sure if I should claim it or not), but basically...
Toogeloo is not scum.
You most certainly are.
Shinobi still is, and his posting today only proves it.
If I could vote either of you, I would, but Shadow_Step is by far a better lynch than RyLina because RyLina is obviously town whereas Shadow_Step is in my lynchpool, albeit not as much a main candidate as you.

Shinobi has barely posted.

I would like to read your case on me.

[Liger_Zero]

Not strictly needed, since I think that's the default anyway, but unless there's reason to select someone else...

If you had been reading the game you would remember that Reasonably Irrational said there was a mechanical reason for them to be the huntmaster. Unless you don't believe them.

Huntmaster vote: Reasonably Irrational

[Liger_Zero]

Umm. You're wrong. Survivalism is NAI.

As town, it is your job to stay alive and find scum. If you're offered the choice between survival, and causing a gladiate with someone whose alignment is unknown to you, you should almost always choose the gladiate.

The exception is if you know your death will give a significant amount of information, along the lines of actually confirming people as town with your flip.

-Cerb

No, choosing to limit the number of options for a lynch on our next day is EXTREMELY anti town. Town is supposed to survive, but if I had to chose between forcing an auto gladiate at the beginning of the day or death. I would have picked death. That gladiate would not help the town unless you are 100% certain on your scumread of the person.

[Liger_Zero]

Then you would have made the wrong choice imo. ^^

-Cerb

You honestly believe that?
This sites meta might be different....survivalism at all costs is not something I count as town.

[Liger_Zero]

I had two choices, either I could flee hope for a protection and survive the shot or battle it out against whoever tried to kill me last night.

I know my alignment, why should I choose to die?

Because a 1v1 at a start of the day is anti town......

[Liger_Zero]

I feel like putting this game on the back burner and just ignoring it.
I can't comprehend right now why town would chose a gladiation like this.

I would 100% be for a ranger lynch because they aren't reading the game and just picking up items in a way that makes me scumread them heavily, and their defense of togeloo sounds like scum defense of a teammate.

I will check you all later.

[Liger_Zero]

That actually sounded reasonable from toggelo, weirdly enough I think no lynching would be more appropriate here, give nthe information that Shadow didn't know who was shooting them I guess from a town perspective it would be reasonable to decide gladiate? If I knew it was Rylai, I would be more inclined to not gladiate, but given this new info, It could be likely TvT.

[Liger_Zero]

I am mixed on this, I think this will be a town flip regardless.

[Liger_Zero]

Originally I thought that SHadow step was more likely scum given the circumstances, but given reactions and everyone talking about this, I am kind of thinking that is a TvT flip regardless.

Which is greatly annoying. Rylai you shouldn't have shot anyone.

[Liger_Zero]

Can anyone explain why they townread ranger very clearly?

[Liger_Zero]

So, I was thinking over things lately, and I think theres a decent reason for me to be huntmaster as well. Given recent thoughs, I know its not likely going to be picked, but I will try to push for that regardless:

Huntmaster vote: Liger_Zero

Now, right now I am kind of glad that the gladiate is over, but I don't like this push on me especially from players like Ranger and Almost50.

[Liger_Zero]

Can anyone explain why they townread ranger very clearly?

It's called "Ranger is right on her scumreads, and I can see they're right, especially since the only people wondering how she's being townread are her scumreads."

Umm you haven't gone into your case at all.
How has Toogeloo switched from OBVIOUSLY scum to now TOWN.
You went from a hard change in reads with no progression in thoughts.

[Liger_Zero]

I think tonights dungeon will be a success, but want to hear why a successful hunt team was changed.

(Although, Shinobi, I get it in terms of the fact I think you are scummier than Ranger, but logic would dictate current success should equal future success).

Ranger, You seemed to have a lot more to say day1. Why less talkative now with more info?

Is this a slip of some kind?
Where was it stated that the hunt team was successful?

[Liger_Zero]

What don't you like about it?

-Dragons

Well, its on me who I know is town, and I don't exactly see any reasoning for it?
Its just "I scumread this player" and the player was scummy to me before this push as well.

[Liger_Zero]

Btw, why are people voting Liger? Forgive me if I missed it.

Ranger has a scumread on me.

[Liger_Zero]

Btw, why are people voting Liger? Forgive me if I missed it.

Ranger has a scumread on me.

I hope you're joking.

No, apparently Ranger made a case on me and sent the message to Rylai and Lina who now cannot tell us what the case exactly said, but she said I was scum in it, and wants to lynch me. I asked her for the case, but she hasn't presented it.

And now a wagon is forming on me for that reasoning alone.

What don't you like about it?

-Dragons

Well, its on me who I know is town, and I don't exactly see any reasoning for it?
Its just "I scumread this player" and the player was scummy to me before this push as well.

Oh I guess that's understandable.

I think I'm guilty of this too, so for me it's because you feels very disengaged and you're not really interacting with people which looks like scum, similar to Bogre.

-SC

I am pretty engaged when I am here, and I have been talking to people, I don't know where exactly you are getting this from?

[Liger_Zero]

I don't know why she hasn't explained it.
And Rylai and Lina didn't comment on it much besides they did get a message from Ranger.

[Liger_Zero]

But you haven't been here that much at all is the issue.

-Dragons

What? I joined the game just a week ago, and we were close to deadline.
What do you mean I haven't been here?

[Liger_Zero]

At least it feels like you haven't been a presence. A lot of your ISO is fluff and avoiding serious scumhunting as well.

-Dragons

Well I don't know what to say to this. I have scumreads, I have commented on them. I am not going to give you a huge wall post unless I feel like its absolutely necessary to do. I extremely disagree with you saying my posts are fluff, I have been commenting on the game as its been going on this whole time.

[Liger_Zero]

I believe they were talking to me?
I might be a idiot if it wasn't? We were having a conversation a page ago, so I thought that was a continuation of it.

[Liger_Zero]

Umm you haven't gone into your case at all.
How has Toogeloo switched from OBVIOUSLY scum to now TOWN.
You went from a hard change in reads with no progression in thoughts.

These are things my townreads get to know,
But my scumreads don't!

Btw, why are people voting Liger? Forgive me if I missed it.

^Shinobi does to Liger what Liger did to Bogre.

If this is the case, why can't she just explain it herself?

I can.

I see no reason to, particularly given people are following my vote without me giving it.

If the wagon begins to shift somewhere I don't want, I'll give the case. Until then, don't see any reason to share.

I don't know what to say to some of this Like, I have been reading this game and I had tried playing this site before awhile ago. I am kind of thinking you have your own head stuck up your ass here.

First off, why wont you explain your case so I know what I am supposed to point out is wrong or so your town reads can know better where you are coming from. This is so anti town, but I am now kind of expecting this site in general to be anti town and just full of themselves.

Just think its not alignment indicative. Would normally call this town thought process, but I am not giving someone town credit for being anti town today, its just not in me.

Seeing as he was the daughter of Kos, he was quite an important member(more than others) of he scum team(assuming), they wouldn't have wanted him gone so early.

I noted this!

I also said this is why Liger_Zero is scum!

That makes no sense.

[Liger_Zero]

A50 is also almost certainly town.

Just sayin.

Also, HA: if Mixed6 is familiar with Nahdia and her play/speech patterns, why wouldn't he take it as genuine? I took it as genuine because of my familiarity with her tones.

-Cerb

Can you go into Almost50 as town? I have them more as null.

[Liger_Zero]

Liger_Zero (3): Ranger, Almost50, PeregrineV

I completely forgot about this PEregrineV slot.

[Liger_Zero]

@Liger
You still have not provided us an explanation here.

~Muriel

I don't really have much comments on that, my read on Bogre was based on the reactions everyone had to the wagon itself, which was kind of bad, but I had a null read on them. I was likely going to go that route if it was coming down to deadline, but I was very hesitant given the number of people scumreading them. It had bad vibes to me.

[Liger_Zero]

Mixed I think I might be a good choice for Huntmaster for next round.

[Liger_Zero]

@Liger_Zero, you're an interesting addition to the game, but as of now you're not the Huntmaster.

For what it's worth, you are one of the players that both heads of this hydra agree is town.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Thanks? And I have reason to believe that I should be huntmaster that I am not going into at this time.

[Liger_Zero]

Mixed I think I might be a good choice for Huntmaster for next round.

You need to prove yourself first by being on a scum lynch today. Backing out from Bogre yesterday did you no favors, but your actions from here on out may yet redeem you.

Ummm.....being on a scum lynch doesn't make you town.
You just said you town read me? What reason would I have to prove anything to you if you townread me? That doesn't make sense.

I don't like this post by you.

[Liger_Zero]

@Mixed didn't you say R&L was town?

[Liger_Zero]

I had two choices, either I could flee hope for a protection and survive the shot or battle it out against whoever tried to kill me last night.

I know my alignment, why should I choose to die?

Because a 1v1 at a start of the day is anti town......

Not liking this...

Shadow KNOWS what his alignment is. If he's town, it's pro-town for him to stay alive and face his would be killer instead of simply dying which deprives town of a vote.

If he loses the gladiation, he bought time to impact the game. If he wins, we learn about someone else.

This isn't a new comment.

[Liger_Zero]

I am going to busy the next few days guys, so I won't be posting as much.
Hopefully I can come in and add my comments whenever something important comes up.

I don't support any of the wagons Mixed6 has suggested so for except possibly Zulfy.

[Liger_Zero]

Then vote for Zulfy

I have a much stronger scumread off Ranger unfortunately.

[Liger_Zero]

I am confused. Why exactly was Dwlee made master of the hunt if he wasn't even a member of it?
I am not really sorry to see Mixed gone, that lynch yesterday was horrible.

[Liger_Zero]

Liger, who did you send your anonymous message to last night?

I sent it to Mixed and it was just a bunch of insults and threats, because I was super pissed about that lynch they pushed.

[Liger_Zero]

Yes, because a unconfirmed message about a anger post makes me so townie.
Nothing else does, how has townhouse been doing?

[Liger_Zero]

Huntmaster vote: Reasonably Irrational

.
Okay.
I got some homework to do for this game.
First, D&D, to confirm, I did send that message to you, as if there would be any doubt it was me.
Second, RyLina sent a message to me which was very very long and contains a ton of stuff that I'll need to read and paraphrase.
Third, Sensei you wasted your night action 'cause I aint talking in that topic when it's comprised of my two strongest scumreads.
Fourth, I need to actually present the evidence WHY they are my strongest scumreads. I did

some

of it to RyLina for Liger, some to the hunting party (also Liger), a lot on Shinobi for the hunting party (shoulda taken advantage of the extended deadline to alter my message to D&D to include it, but alas, thought didn't cross my mind),
And fifth, I need to actually catch up on the game.

And, yeah.
We're poisoned this badly because of the dungeon. Wasn't too tough with our equipment to take out the boss, but it did leave us with this damage.

VOTE: Ranger

This needs to go, now.

[Liger_Zero]

Actually, House, there'd a decent degree of towniness to be had from sending a message giving someone widely townread and with the ability to push a lot of votes on you an additional reason to come after you.

In addition, there's no real reason I can think of for scum to utilize this resource to send what amounts to nothing more than a taunt.

-Cerb

If that's what he did.

Also, it's easy to criticize a town lynch after the fact.

The only bad thing about yesterday's lynch was the amount of non-player votes on it, but that hardly warrants a flood of threats and insults.

Couldn't I have done it and still been scum?
I don't get.....what does me sending an angry message to a player indicate anything? It can be fake anger, it can be real anger.
Why would i lie about my message?

[Liger_Zero]

No, it's practically conftown. Try again.

And maybe answer my question while you're at it.

-Cerb

Have no idea who you are referring to.

[Liger_Zero]

Liger, did you send me a message last night?

-Cerb

No, I sent a message to Mixed.

[Liger_Zero]

@RI You saying Ranger is conf town? How?

[Liger_Zero]

@RI You saying Ranger is conf town? How?

Practically. Behaviors I don't see them exhibiting as scum.

-Cerb

I would extremely reconsider this. First thing Ranger has said this day is repeat again that I am scum along with Shinobi, says won't use the PT, and has yet to explain any reads at all. It reads as some of the latest scum play ever, which describes what most scum try to skate by in their reads and development of thoughts by not explaining it or giving little details. It doesn't seem like she is reading either.....

If this is how town ranger plays, I really consider it some of the worst mafia play I have ever seen.

[Liger_Zero]

I could lynch Zulfy too, he is not trying either.

[Liger_Zero]

She said a notable amount more in the hunting party. And, again, exhibited behavior she wouldn't exhibit as scum. I didn't say she's playing her best town game. I said she has done something she wouldn't do as scum. Therefore she's town.

-Cerb

Yeah, I am not moving my vote.
Probably ever.

This isn't enough.

[Liger_Zero]

Why is everyone talking about my message as if it means anything alignment indicative of anything?
I believe this slot has done way more in terms of readability than send an angry message to a now dead player.

Its not even proven that I sent a message.
Why is this like a thing you are trying to discern info from?

[Liger_Zero]

I really really don't get why ranger is town.
RI your reasoning is that Ranger is trying in the hunting party, but how do you know that trying is from a scum perspective? Does Ranger not get items/benefits for working with the party and then lynching townie on the side?

Like....how does a hunting party actions make someone "strong town" or even, more likely town, then someone trying to actively sort players....

Even the people I am talking to in PTs have said that this is lazy play by her own normal play (supposedly).

[Liger_Zero]

I was NullScum on Firebringer before he left the slot. I haven't seen Liger do anything that elevates him to Town.

I think I have read your slot about twice now, and all you seem to do is fence sit.
I am really think you are a likely scum right now.

[Liger_Zero]

Town:

Reasonably Rational
Nahdia
House

Leaning Town:

Almost50
Randommidget
Shadow_Step

Null:

Toogeloo
Patches
Daenerys

Scum

Ranger
Dwlee99
PergrineV
Zulfy
Klingoncelt

Most of those are not in any order either for the groupings they are in.

[Liger_Zero]

Way to OMGUS, pal.

I am not voting you, which is what OMGUS is, and I have said you were fence sitting most of the game. You have called my slot null, and showed very little opinions on anyone. How is that OMGUS in any shape?

Is any of this inaccurate or are you going to continue calling it "OMGUS".

[Liger_Zero]

Liger, can you expound on your reads on dwlee/house/toog for me?

For dwlee it was his slots specifically in how it townread Mixed so hard in a stage when I didn't see Mixed as strong town, and like he knew he was town, in other words scum buddying.
House seemed to have been aggro and I don't agree with a lot of his reads, but I can see his process develop and think its genuine sorting.
Toog, I am still divided on him. His earlier actions seemed lazy, unconcerned about the game, and just kind 'there' he has gotten better as game goes on, but that initial impression still hangs in my head. There recent actions have made me reconsider, but I am not sold on them being town or scum.

[Liger_Zero]

What about H&M?

Totally forget about them, I would say Null because of that. They don't factor into my mind when I was making that.

[Liger_Zero]

I had your slot leaning Scum. You're leaning more scum now.

OMGUS vote is voting because OMGUS. OMGUS can stand alone.

Leaning and calling someone scum are different. Leaning can be on the fence going one-way then immediately going other way. I think I read you read my slot as town-leaning earlier too, maybe I am mistaken on that.

OMGUS implies a vote on someone for the sole reason they are voting them.
I stated a reason I think you are scum. You called it omgus, I pointed out your wrong. Then you point out "OMGUS can be just a read".

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Zulfy

HuntMaster Vote: ReasonablyIrrational

VOTE: Klingoncelt

You can call this omgus if you like.

[Liger_Zero]

There are better ways to up your post count and look busy.

I forget, what is the post # of your reads list?

Its funny, because your posts neither make it seem like you are busy and you don't have a high post count. Then you plainly ask questions about what post number my reads list is, when its the last page.

#Ironic

[Liger_Zero]

UNVOTE:

Thinking it over, you might just be a apathetic townie who puts forward very little to no effort in the game.
I sometimes confuse that with scummy behavior, but its usually not like this.

[Liger_Zero]

Pace of votes is a pretty silly way to read wagons. We saw this day 1 with the very fast wagon on Bogre, yet that was a scum lynch (I'm assuming you mean the slow wagon on Zulfy mean it's town-driven. If not, my bad.)

Pace of votes can be good way to read how scum react. Many scum players seeing the pace of the bogre wagon were likely on it because they saw the ship going down and wanted to get echoes on it.

And I doubt scum pile up votes on town very fast. So wagon speed can tell you something.

[Liger_Zero]

For the record: Sensei's nightmare PT is basically unused.
Shinobi and Liger_Zero were both in it at the same time, yet made almost no posts in there.
This was prior to me joining, so "they thought scum were in there" doesn't really apply as a valid reason for them to have been silent.

So I suppose that does add to my Shinobi/Liger scumreads. (Basically, if even one of them was town, I would expect them to make much heavier use of the PT than was there.)

This comes from the player who has been putting in such low effort they have to say that they won't participate.
You can't scum read me or shinobi for not talking when you yourself don't talk and outright refuse to interact.

Be more of a hypocrite.

[Liger_Zero]

Ranger I've spent the majority of this game trying to get you to act like anything but a complete fool and it seems like you just insist on ignoring me at every conceivable opportunity.
This scenario where people aren't talking to you is a complete joke because it's your fault in the first place.

I can't have said it better myself. If ranger is town this is some of the most sad and hypocritical oaky from a player I have seen in long time and for REASONS they are town.

[Liger_Zero]

Okay I went and read that case by ranger explaining scum reads a huge problem with that post was saying "scum are in lurkers" and she is more lurking than 70% of this player base. Says I am not active, false. Then that's the reason I am scum. And me defending Borge.

Doesn't explain relation of me and shinobi even though we share a PT now with her so you would think she would want to you know try to figure is us out but says "fuck you not talking" so I think to myself "fuck you I am not talking either than" then she uses that as argument for us being scum. It's laughable, take out context and anything can be framed to be scummy.

[Liger_Zero]

i think her point was that the reason you guys didn't talk in the PT together was that your partners so you have nothing to talk about

Our limited interactions I don't think an outsider would see as scum buddies but maybe that's just me.

[Liger_Zero]

Its going to be hard getting back into this game with that long downtime
RI how did the party do?

[Liger_Zero]

What is going on? What did u miss?
I see house did something anti town or something?

[Liger_Zero]

Oh I got lynched.
I was town.

Good luck to you guys, I am kind of glad I got lynched because there's too many in this game with egos that is disruptive to reading the game, too many game mechanics which makes this not mafia, and just people reading players as town of scum for awful reasons.

Most of you didn't play mafia. You played some weird game other than it as someone else said.

Retread the people overacting to my lynch they know I am flipping town.

House is likely town for this actually.

Good luck again town but town is going to lose.

[Liger_Zero]

ok house honestly i thought you were legit scumclaiming last page and now you're just fucking confusing me.what POSSIBLE motivation could you have for this stunt?

The status quo sucked.

There were complaints, and rightfully so, about lynches boiling down to policy, and excuses of nobody acting scummy which is utter bullshit.

So tomorrow, that's all going to change. I'll be wagoned. If I'm lynched, I'll flip town. There will be shit to actually investigate besides the popularity contest that has been pervading this game.

Go fuck a toaster.
You say the status quo sucked because it was popularity contest and policy lunches yet you create a policy lunch for yourself, you hypocrite.

You aren't a golden messiah you are an idiot who doesn't realize that you are 100% throwing the game.
You do in fact deserve a ban.

[Liger_Zero]

I am actually upset with a mod who thought allowing mechanics so that 1 person can do a lynch completely by themselves is even mafia.

[Liger_Zero]

It was 2 people ftr lol

Ohh yeah, forgot your vote.
Why were you voting me again?

[Liger_Zero]

Don't be mad at Varsoon, the mechanics are fine, it's the way people are using them that isn't. :-/

-Cerb

They are in no way fine if 2 people can lynch a person with as many people as we had alive. That is in no way balanced in any shape or form.

[Liger_Zero]

Btw, we're lynching Ranger after we kill House.
No more excuses - she needs to go.

Pedit - Yes, I also approve the shortened night sequence.

I approve this.

[Liger_Zero]

Is Dwlee99 going to explain the original vote at all or just going to keep dodging the question?