Legends of the Hidden Speakeasy--[Game Over]

[Spiffeh]

That's kind of an annoying rule

[Spiffeh]

Ok

[Spiffeh]

Hippy why are you so upset?

[Spiffeh]

There is absolutely no reason to be this close to a lynch at this time

[Spiffeh]

UTL I will when I read through the thread

Unvote for now please

[Spiffeh]

Jeanne doing something stupid does not make her scum

"You challenged someone too early" is an awful argument

[Spiffeh]

Btw remind me to never join a game with this dumb "spamming" rule ever again

[Spiffeh]

So why aren't any of you exploring other options and just piling on them because she made the challenge?

If anything the challenge makes me think she's town

She would have had every reason to expect backlash for it, and I'm sure she at least would check with RC beforehand if they were scum

[Spiffeh]

ya. sometimes the bad player botching something they read is just scum

Where are you getting this from

[Spiffeh]

idk yet

[Spiffeh]

Spiffeh!

1. Are you hungover?
2. What do you think of Shaziro?
3. What do you think of Shaziro vs. Hiplop?

No
Town
idk

[Spiffeh]

I guess RJ is the best lynch from that group

The quick wagon based on Jeanne challenging us still doesn't sit right with me but w/e

[Spiffeh]

I think Dwlee is scum

[Spiffeh]

Yeah Jeanne's "I challenged because I'm bored" and conveniently scum reading hiplop when she started getting heat for it is really bad

[Spiffeh]

Like I absolutely want Dwlee dead next round at this point in time

[Spiffeh]

Ok RJ absolutely needs death

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Radiant Jeanne

No more challenges until everyone can get in here and post substantially

[Spiffeh]

UTL stop it's a fruitless endeavor

[Spiffeh]

Are you trying to associate with me before you're lynched or something?

Lol

[Spiffeh]

No one challenge until we talk shit out please

[Spiffeh]

Dwlee is still scum

[Spiffeh]

Btw hiplop is by no means clean by that scumflip

[Spiffeh]

I really want to hear something substantial from pirate mollie before we enter another challenge

She has been V/LA though and idk when it ends

[Spiffeh]

I could absolutely see RC wanting to bus hiplop for town cred and having Jeanne challenge us to put that into motion, and hiplop getting pissed and bussing him instead

There's not really much to support that, it's just the first thing I thought of from what I know about RC as a player

Like I don't think Jeanne would have done that on her own as scum

[Spiffeh]

I don't think RC would bus that early though, just seems...off, you know?

He's done it multiple times before

[Spiffeh]

The Amazing World of Gumball Mafia is one instance I remember off the top of my head

PEdit: Yeah this is far from concrete and probably not something I'd pursue until the game progresses some more, just something I'm keeping in mind.

[Spiffeh]

hey molls!

[Spiffeh]

If we can find 5 people that are definitely town we win

me and UTL are 2

[Spiffeh]

UTL and I*

[Spiffeh]

Don't think this is scum!dram

I do think mollie might be scum which makes me sad

[Spiffeh]

I did consider it

[Spiffeh]

Hi dog

[Spiffeh]

Idk it was something about your first post

I have to catch up too I'll do that soon

[Spiffeh]

lol I didn't even know Aristophanes was in this game

[Spiffeh]

HEY BBMOLLA

[Spiffeh]

hatehiplop club

Where do I join?

[Spiffeh]

I lean town but it is YOUR turn to talk him out of his paranoia, I did it in gumball

HEY OUR READS WERE IDENTICAL IN GUMBALL YOU WERE WITH ME EVERY STEP OF THE WAY

[Spiffeh]

I can see Postie being scum actually

[Spiffeh]

I have no idea what this means for Rose Quartz's alignment but I'm torn between wanting them dead on policy and wanting to keep them alive because I was looking forward to neighborhooding with RC. ._.

Like idk I feel like this is something an RJ scumbuddy would say

Trying to straddle the line because they don't want their buddy lynched but also don't want to be caught on the wrong side of their wagon

[Spiffeh]

Just a lot of things she said about the RJ slot were really noncommittal

[Spiffeh]

If I didn't challenge, that question would be irrelevant cos I'll be unable to vote.

...do you really not understand that you are trapping us in this lynch pool? Do you seriously not understand Why This is bad? You want to essentially gladiate so you can -vote-?? Why not say your intent to challenge? Psuedo vote? Something that DOESN'T hurt town?

Sure, you can say that none of those actually matter, but that doesn't mean you need to challenge.

This is definitely not scum w/ RJ

[Spiffeh]

you thought I was scum in that game you goof

No I didn't I just got pissed because you made me claim

Also I agree about Majiffy from what I've seen

UTL is really obviously town, especially from her interactions with RJ, so I really don't like that read

[Spiffeh]

Shaziro is not scum hiplop

[Spiffeh]

mollie what are your thoughts on hippy?

[Spiffeh]

mollie is getting lynched over my dead body

[Spiffeh]

dram can you elaborate on your mollie scum read?

or die

[Spiffeh]

mollie I kinda think Postie is scum though?

[Spiffeh]

literally never

[Spiffeh]

I will lynch every other person in this game before I lynch UTL

[Spiffeh]

UTL come here and hold my hand you're the only one I trust wholeheartedly

I think dram is town tbh but would not HATE if he got lynched because he would probably challenge people randomly and rush things that don't need to be rushed

@mollie I don't really see a notable difference between Postie here and in Gumball so idk what you're trying to get at there

No matter what I think Majiffy should die next round.

[Spiffeh]

Nos pls stop making bad posts if you're town

[Spiffeh]

I think SnarkySnowman is the MVP of this game rn

[Spiffeh]

mollie please don't leave we are lynching him next dw

[Spiffeh]

Hiplop still might not be town

Let's not forget that

[Spiffeh]

Please stop lumping him in town blocs

[Spiffeh]

explain the jiffy thing to me?

I am kinda skimming the mollie/jiffy stuff

Yuck

[Spiffeh]

Hiplop you are far from obvtown

[Spiffeh]

Majiffy is the only acceptable lynch after this

[Spiffeh]

See you in 48 hours Snarky

[Spiffeh]

No if that happens we're lynching Majiffy

[Spiffeh]

Snarky who else do you think is scum?

[Spiffeh]

So you're scum reading half the player list?

[Spiffeh]

I will be catching up on this today

[Spiffeh]

I REEEEEEEAAAALLLY think dram is town and will not be voting there today.

[Spiffeh]

I really think hiplop is scum

[Spiffeh]

hippy's reads have just been really static all game

He has written me off as town extremely easily which is something I've never seen him do as town, and only as scum.

[Spiffeh]

Same. I slightly prefer postie death to dram. I do think one of them is scum tho

Like this is just so bad?

[Spiffeh]

No matter what I think Majiffy should die next round.

This still stands

It was really obvious mollie was referring to his general involvement in the game, so saying it was his dad's birthday does not excuse his overall disengagement from the game

[Spiffeh]

I have been scum with dram before and he was completely under the radar. I don't think he's capable of this level of passion as scum and I really doubt he would make that challenge as scum after his scumbuddy was lynched for rushing things.

He is town.

[Spiffeh]

he's just trying to discredit mollie's push, but isn't even pushing another alternative.

This is not indicative of scum!dram though

[Spiffeh]

Mollie.. You spiffeh hippy and I have a good thing going right now. Please don't leave.

hiplop is not welcome in any townbloc of mine

[Spiffeh]

Why?

That is such a posturey thing to say

What specifically makes it impossible to be TvT

[Spiffeh]

Also what is your read on Majiffy?

[Spiffeh]

Ok then we will be challenging mollie/Jiffy and lunching Jiffy next round.

[Spiffeh]

Now that it's over I can say this: This dram is the SPITTING IMAGE of dram's town game in Musical Mafia that recently ended.

The stubbornness and absolute certainty in his scum reads, literally everything

mollie I will trust you on Postie if you trust me on dram

[Spiffeh]

We will

[Spiffeh]

got it. First nightless game. I guess without the scum night kill things are quite different. Much more forgiving.

Fuck it.

VOTE: dram. His attitude is anti town and he could maybe be scum?

Idc what hiplop says I do NOT believe he would be fine with letting dram die if he thinks he's town.

Idc that it's nightless.

[Spiffeh]

I've never seen you policy lynch someone lol

[Spiffeh]

dram I'm gonna need you to not challenge anyone in the future

[Spiffeh]

this is something i will say in the neighbourhood so #notanasshole

still waiting on this

[Spiffeh]

UTL dram is town I would like you to recognize this

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

mollie do you still think Majiffy is scum?

[Spiffeh]

Dram is town so no

I don't necessarily have a scum read on you but you aren't going to ever do anything readable so there's no reason not to lynch you imo

[Spiffeh]

and he DID fly under the radar which is what he was doing until I scumread him.

I disagree that he was trying to fly under the radar because he challenged someone on a whim and I really don't think he would put himself out there as scum, especially when his scumbuddy had just been turbolynched for that exact reason.

scum!dram does not have this much conviction for a scum read

town!dram is not someone I expect to be very reasonable or fluid with his scum reads. I expect him to be stubborn and uncompromising even in the face of being lynched, which is exactly how he's acting here.

[Spiffeh]

Just saw you unvoted, thank you for trusting me

[Spiffeh]

I really don't like how Shaziro and Clumsy have disappeared

I am still townreading both of them and want their input.

[Spiffeh]

Snarky would not be my first choice for death out of this playerlist but he will never actually contribute and I find it really convenient that he is scum reading both dram and Postie, the two he's been pitted against.

I could see him trying to hop on the momentum of the general dram distate

[Spiffeh]

That's not a question

If you'd like to explain why then go ahead?

I mean I still think your UTL read is bad and devoting more time to clearing your name than to finding scum

[Spiffeh]

Sure you can

I'm pushing you and hiplop!

[Spiffeh]

Stop acting like you've done anything to be townread please

I am paranoid for good reason

[Spiffeh]

Stop acting like you've done anything to be townread please

I am paranoid for good reason

you know I would be shoving a lynch down your throat for this if it wasn't for that fucking rj bullshit.

Why would you say this

[Spiffeh]

Postie maybe trying to do more to get others to lynch your scum reads and not yourself would be something you can do

Obviously you're going to get heat if you disappear right when you're on the chopping block

[Spiffeh]

Why would you say this

because youre being obnoxious.

like holy fuck

That has nothing to do with what you said

And I'm not trying to be obnoxious, I just don't want people to keep shoving you in town blocs when I don't really think you're town

[Spiffeh]

That has nothing to do with what you said

And I'm not trying to be obnoxious, I just don't want people to keep shoving you in town blocs when I don't really think you're town

Your reasons for scumreading me are such bullshit, scum spiffeh style. but you're not scum. You're just being an asshat because im townreading you. Its the worst fucking kind of meta

They aren't bullshit

I also think you've been hyper aware of how you're coming across with posts like which is different from my experience with town you

I don't understand why you'd even mention this seeming like scum!me despite stating that I'm town unless you were planning to "change" that read at your convenience later on.

If you're town it will show.

[Spiffeh]

lol

[Spiffeh]

relax Mr. Grumpy Gills

[Spiffeh]

Ok now I'm being obnoxious

[Spiffeh]

What is it?

[Spiffeh]

hippy if you don't hate me can you tell me your read on itlepip?

[Spiffeh]

That was a pretty bad post

[Spiffeh]

[quote="In post 1194, Majiffy"][/quote]

[Spiffeh]

Fuck

[Spiffeh]

I'll hammer anyone but dram

[Spiffeh]

Yes it's possible

[Spiffeh]

Lol I hated that shit

[Spiffeh]

UGH. Tried reading through more tonight.

Trying to trudge through reading this is a complete chore. It's like wading through a swampy bog up to your waist with a muddy bottom that you keep losing your shoes in so you have to go back a few steps to try to find it, get it back out, try to continue on through the muck, get lost in the dark, turn around, getting attacked by an alligator, swinging your +3 mace of Frustration at it until it dies, losing both shoes in the fight, saying screw it and walking along the rocky cliffs with no shoes, cutting your feet open, just to fall back into the bog and end up no closer to where you were going.

That's how I feel about this game. Like holy crap. Someone want to give me a list of things I should look at about the current vote? A short and sweet? Or am I going to have to suffer? I usually don't complain about reading, but... Jesus.

It's really not that bad lmao

[Spiffeh]

Titus should probably die in the next few rounds

[Spiffeh]

mollie let's lynch Snarky

This challenge sesh needs to be over

[Spiffeh]

Yeah Shaziro's and Clumsy's contributions today have been pretty unacceptable and are no longer town reads of mine

I kinda hate how Shaziro tried to piggyback off my hippy suspicion and drawing the arbitrary conclusion that there are two scum among dram-Postie-Snarky ???

[Spiffeh]

And it seems like both of them are trying to hide behind the "toxicity" that doesn't really exist

[Spiffeh]

cuz shes scum

[Spiffeh]

I think shaziro looks worst on that flip.

hippy can you elaborate on why Shaziro looks the worst with RJ's scum flip?

[Spiffeh]

Also I'm sorry for doubting you bby I think you're town now <3

[Spiffeh]

Which probably means someone is misting me

[Spiffeh]

misting = fooling me

one of my town reads might not be town

[Spiffeh]

Ok mollie let's do it

We need to move on

VOTE: Postie

[Spiffeh]

It's not him

[Spiffeh]

@Postie idk just a gut thing

[Spiffeh]

I will agree to turbolynching anyone who challenges with zero notice/enough agreement from others.

[Spiffeh]

Shaziro is definitely someone I will be considering heavily for lynching tomorrow

[Spiffeh]

Vote for Postie

[Spiffeh]

No we'll be looking into you

[Spiffeh]

Shaziro did you look at the game I referenced where dram was town and behaving almost identically to how he is now?

[Spiffeh]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65809

[Spiffeh]

Titus who is scum

[Spiffeh]

There's another scum hippy

[Spiffeh]

LMAO WOW

[Spiffeh]

I would expect scum would be encouraging a policy lynch on dram for his initial challenge

And be pretty unwavering in that regard

I will check later to see who fits the bill

[Spiffeh]

dram is town
Dwlee slot is town
I am town
hippy is very very likely town

Everyone else can die

[Spiffeh]

Nope Dwlee is town

[Spiffeh]

Still pretty confident Clumsy and UTL are town

[Spiffeh]

I'm cool with Shaziro/Titus going back to back

[Spiffeh]

I want everyone to check in before any challenges are issued obvi

[Spiffeh]

Nos seems town to me

[Spiffeh]

Why the fuck would Jeanne challenge US while also having a scumbuddy in her pairing

I kinda feel bad for the scum team lmao

[Spiffeh]

Tbh Majiffy if you challenge either of those teams I'd probably lynch you

[Spiffeh]

IMMA QUAKING IN MAH LIL BOOTIES

you said that already

[Spiffeh]

Nos who is scum?

[Spiffeh]

Would probably lynch Titus over anyone at this point.

[Spiffeh]

There are two scum down

I am being plenty smart

[Spiffeh]

Ok, Titus could be scum honestly. I doubt she would sit and try to derail the thread with personal arguments like that as town. Saying "I want this to stop" is one thing, making it a personal attack is another matter altogether. It comes off as trying to distract and tilt hiplop. If you think it is between me and her, go ahead and off me first, but when I flip town get her next.

This is one of the scummiest posts in the thread

[Spiffeh]

Spiffy if you are going to get weird do it now so we can hash things out now

You mean retracting my town read on you?

Eh I still think you're town I'm just a

little

less confident

You're pretty far down my pecking order

[Spiffeh]

lmfao hiplop is the most obvious town and I feel sorry that I wasn't there with him early game

?

Bbmolla geta a town read for this.

This is like the easiest and safest interaction for scum to have

[Spiffeh]

Shaziro only pivots to a Titus scum read when it's clear the majority want one of the two of them dead

Before that there's almost no mention of her in his ISO

[Spiffeh]

Yeah I'd be fine with Snarky dying soon

[Spiffeh]

Why hippy do you think I'm scum when you and I agree on every read? That's why I feel you're being petty and vindictive even if no one else sees it. You're just labelling things as scummy. I get it's exhausting but you really don't want to consider that you're just actually hurting me. I can consider that my behavior was out of line, I'm human and I know emotional reading is not my strong suit. Yet, you don't ever consider it. It feels more like grandstanding than anything else.

You've attempted to block me almost everywhere and I just can't get through to you at all that I just occasionally want respect and you to not act like your entitled to something but that I have to go through my process. That lack of respect is why I can't townread you because you aren't like this to people you respect and disagree with (although we don't really disagree). I'd townread you if I felt you were respectful towards me and like I could go through my processes. Yet, anytime I try, you're insulting or painting it as the bad evil Titus. I'll admit that I'm not perfect and I did somethings wrong, but I need that respect.

Hell, Dram thinks I'm utterly nuts for townreading Mollie, but he's transparent and I'm transparent with him and it lets him plan accordingly and me too.

So yes, I am upset and frustrated with you and yes we have things to work out, but I need that respect and the ability to do things in thread. Without that, I presume you're working for scum because you're against anything I'm doing.

I think this is town actually

[Spiffeh]

I just realized that Radiant Jeanne was lynched and they were scum-aligned...

Ignore 1701. I thought it was Postie who got lynched day 1 and we were at day 2. I kept expecting something to happen and for the wagon to shift but nothing did and they just got more suspicious, so I checked again...

This alone makes me pretty confident that iron is town

[Spiffeh]

Molla might be scum tbh

[Spiffeh]

Like I feel like he's deliberately playing up the whole "omg I'm so bad" thing after being wrong about Postie

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Shaziro

[Spiffeh]

lol no

[Spiffeh]

I'm not voting Shaz for challenging prematurely

I'm voting Shaz because he's scum

[Spiffeh]

I think Titus and Math are both town too

[Spiffeh]

hi I feel like shit will get to this when I don't

[Spiffeh]

BBMolla should die next

[Spiffeh]

He's scummy

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: ironavp

[Spiffeh]

You all need to die eventually

[Spiffeh]

UTL I MISSED YOU

[Spiffeh]

UTL have you caught up?

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Nosferatu

[Spiffeh]

Can we lynch Molla now

[Spiffeh]

scum pool
Shaz
Titus
Snowman
Molla

[Spiffeh]

I am literally 7 years behind

[Spiffeh]

Listen:

As long as myself, hiplop, dramonic, and UTL/Clumsy are never lynched, we win.
I have no reason to think any of these players are scum.

So I don't really care who dies atm

[Spiffeh]

BBMolla needs to be lynched at the earliest opportunity

[Spiffeh]

It'd be nice if he'd bother to show up, yeah. He's active elsewhere, and was all big on "Let's kill off anyone who quickchallenges", but now that he's got his chance, he's nowhere to be found.

And Shaziro

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: MathBlade

[Spiffeh]

Yeah hopefully another scum is lynched along the way *coughShaziroorBBMolla* so I only have to rely on us and hiplop

[Spiffeh]

Who do you want to lynch

I don't feel like reading rn

[Spiffeh]

I will most likely be challenging Shaziro's team as soon as the next phase starts

Or will everyone hate me

[Spiffeh]

Ok fine I won't challenge him immediately

But I want one of BBMolla or Shaziro lynched next

[Spiffeh]

Ok fine I won't challenge him immediately

But I want one of BBMolla or Shaziro lynched next

I'll be honest (and I think I've said it before)
The only reason I won't instachallenge is that we'd have to cut through Snarky and Jiffy before you guys finally let me lynch mollie

Correct

[Spiffeh]

If you send me a t-shirt I will consider it

[Spiffeh]

For real though dram mollie is town I promise

She could probably take the UTL/Clumsy spot but keeping you both away from each other would be too much work

[Spiffeh]

I am going to insta challenge dram

will this work?

No I will lynch Snarky

Please try to play, I am here now

[Spiffeh]

I'm still thinking scum is {Shaziro, BBMolla, Snarky}

Everyone else looks town to me

[Spiffeh]

UTL I would look you to town it up a bit since you've been gone for awhile and my remnant town read on you is from like the first 20 pages

[Spiffeh]

Oh, look. Math was town. So can we get rid of Spiffeh and Majiffy now and cripple the scum team even more?

LMAO

LOOK AT THIS GUY

[Spiffeh]

Shaziro is absolutely this phase's lynch

I will not accept an alternative

[Spiffeh]

Otters challenge Beavers

Don't you need to have both names?

[Spiffeh]

Because fuck that we're lynching Shaziro

[Spiffeh]

Literally look at how Shaziro elevates me to a full on scum read for my inactivity

Despite town reading me for my actions at every other point in the game

He is obvscum

[Spiffeh]

This game is only fun if I get my way

Please give me my way

[Spiffeh]

Shaziro was scummy af before that

Why has it been so hard to get him lynched

[Spiffeh]

Turquoise Otters challenge Brown Beavers

[Spiffeh]

hiplop we need to be the only ones to challenge from now on

No one else can be trusted with it

[Spiffeh]

Lol you guys are terrible if you lynch me

VOTE: Shaziro

[Spiffeh]

I have given the EXACT FUCKING THING we need to do to win and following through on it

Either you explain why any of the players I listed shouldn't be in the endgame town bloc or hush

[Spiffeh]

I wouldn't have challenged so early if mollie didn't try to

Luckily, Shaziro is scum

lynch him

[Spiffeh]

If Shaziro is town I will sheep you for the rest of the game

Lynch him

[Spiffeh]

Ugh I should have just replaced out before I got involved again

[Spiffeh]

Are you talking about me?

[Spiffeh]

Oh no you're not nevermind

[Spiffeh]

Anyone who has not accepted myself and hiplop as confirmed town

After Radiant Jeanne/Postie challenged us Day 1

Along with a host of other obvtown qualities we have exhibited

Needs to stop having terrible opinions

[Spiffeh]

You're probably town.
Protown is one hell of a stretch.
But town.

EDIT: Hiplop, I'm getting tired of having to carry your ass.

Ok great now every qualm about my endgame townbloc should be put to rest

lynch Shaziro

[Spiffeh]

mollie I will not seriously consider any other lynch targets until Shaziro has been lynched

Please help make it happen

[Spiffeh]

Shaziro your best bet is to try and turn people against me for being an asshole while ignoring my interactions with both flipped scum and especially not mentioning how Jeanne tried to associate herself to me Day 1

You have your mission

Get out there and be great

[Spiffeh]

mollie why are you voting for me

[Spiffeh]

There is exactly a 0% chance you would think I am scum this game

[Spiffeh]

There is exactly a 0% chance you would think I am scum this game

I think you are scum this game

That's pretty terrible