BLOODBORNE MAFIA - GAME OVER

[House]

Hi all...

Y'all are going to love this...

I'm negative utility, and no I absolutely will not read the last hundred + pages and plop out some half-baked reads wall with no context.

I will ISO players I interact with them or as they draw my attention.

Bring the pain!

[House]

I had two choices, either I could flee hope for a protection and survive the shot or battle it out against whoever tried to kill me last night.

I know my alignment, why should I choose to die?

Because a 1v1 at a start of the day is anti town......

Not liking this...

Shadow KNOWS what his alignment is. If he's town, it's pro-town for him to stay alive and face his would be killer instead of simply dying which deprives town of a vote.

If he loses the gladiation, he bought time to impact the game. If he wins, we learn about someone else.

[House]

Hi all...

Y'all are going to love this...

I'm negative utility, and no I absolutely will not read the last hundred + pages and plop out some half-baked reads wall with no context.

I will ISO players I interact with them or as they draw my attention.

Bring the pain!

Hey House. Read the first 15 pages. The rest of it is mostly Frozen arguing with RI, holding the town hostage, and completely losing it.

Perhaps after I finish reading d2's start.

[House]

I had two choices, either I could flee hope for a protection and survive the shot or battle it out against whoever tried to kill me last night.

I know my alignment, why should I choose to die?

Because a 1v1 at a start of the day is anti town......

Not liking this...

Shadow KNOWS what his alignment is. If he's town, it's pro-town for him to stay alive and face his would be killer instead of simply dying which deprives town of a vote.

If he loses the gladiation, he bought time to impact the game. If he wins, we learn about someone else.

This isn't a new comment.

Is to me.

[House]

These are things my townreads get to know,
But my scumreads don't!

If scum does in fact have the monocle, as is believed to be the case, you are only depriving town of information, not scum.

[House]

Mixed I think I might be a good choice for Huntmaster for next round.

You need to prove yourself first by being on a scum lynch today. Backing out from Bogre yesterday did you no favors, but your actions from here on out may yet redeem you.

He backs out of a scum lunch, refuses to share his thought processes, tries to direct lynched with nothing more than "trust me guys", and you think he's town?

I don't.

VOTE: Liger_Zero

[House]

Scum lynch*

[House]

From scum reading Liger yesterday to deflecting attention from his weapon today.

Interesting.

[House]

Toog,

Midget went from a town read to one of your top three desired lynches. Why?

[House]

From scum reading Liger yesterday to deflecting attention from his

weapon

wagon today.

Interesting.

EBWOP

[House]

She backed off from the lynch as soon as she saw an opportunity to, then got back on as soon as it was inevitable.

So did Toog.

[House]

1522
1660
1843

[House]

And Toog never got off. The way Nahdia got off wasn't pretty.

Toog got on it ugly.

Jumped off ugly.

Jumped back on ugly.

[House]

She backed off from the lynch as soon as she saw an opportunity to, then got back on as soon as it was inevitable.

So did Toog.

[House]

In other news, I somehow confused Liger with Ranger, irt not sharing info.

Weird.

UNVOTE:

[House]

Purchase: Molotov Cocktail

[House]

[Purchase: Molotov Cocktail]

Ebwop (if brackets are necessary)

[House]

"No matter their pasts, beasts are no more than beasts. Some choose this axe to play the part of executioner."

-Hunter Axe Description

VOTECOUNT 1.17

Bogre (8):

Xkfyu, Randomidget, Ranger, Hastur and Muriel, Toogeloo, Nahdia, Almost50, Sensei

Shadow_Step (2):

Shinobi, Bogre

randomidget (2):

Klingoncelt, PeregrineV

Hastur and Muriel (2):

Reasonably Irrational, Liger_Zero

Shinobi (1):

Shadow_Step

Gee Willikers (1):

Rylai and Lina (BLOODLETTER)

Rylai and Lina (1):

Patches the Spider

Patches the Spider (1):

Zulfy

Not Voting (3):

Heuristic_Arrow, Gee Willikers, Mixed6

With 22 Alive, it takes 12 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-06-06 23:00:00)

The Master of the Hunt is

Klingoncelt

The Hunter's Party is

Mixed6, Shinobi, and Almost50

The Chosen Chalice Ritual is

Pthumeru Chalice - Depth 1.

Available Chalice Dungeons:

Spoiler:

Pthumeru Chalice

- Depth 1

Hintertomb Chalice

- Depth 2

Ailing Loran Chalice

- Depth 4

Great Isz Chalice

- Depth 5

Spoiler: HUNTMASTER VOTE

Mixed6 (6):

Mixed6, Gee Willikers, Ranger, Shinobi, Almost50, Rylai and Lina

Reasonably Irrational (5):

Reasonably Irrational, Patches the Spider, Daenerys and Dragons, Liger_Zero, randomidget

Rylai and Lina (2):

toogeloo, Nahdia

... Toog was on the wagon without you here, and it went up to L-2, so you can't say your wagon was the only one that counts.

Fuck off with that noise.

Then he crawled off, and you strong-armed him back.

[House]

Eh, they did create the push entirely. They left the wagon to resolve "something", and then came back and pushed evwryone to finish it off.

-Cerb

That being the case, my original point stands that Toog slinked off the wagon and back on, just like Nahdia.

[House]

Also, it's good to see you house, haven't played in a game together since like my first game on site or something. ^^

-Cerb

[House]

Meh. Ok.

This is why I hate trying to look back over old crap when I sub in.

[House]

Are you going to apologize?

Do I ever.

I actually acquiesced. You should feel honored.

[House]

"Fuck off with that noise"? I'm trying to help you. Why are you being rude to me?

Okay, for that statement I apologize.

The rest, not so much.

[House]

Good. You didn't insult me in your other posts, why would I want an apology for those?

Look at Dragons. Look at arrow. Tell me what you think.

Nor did I insult you by telling you to fuck off.

Crude language in itself is not an insult of the person it's directed at. Idk why you'd think it is.

[House]

Look at Dragons. Look at arrow. Tell me what you think.

Not interested in lynching there any time soon.

[House]

That answer all the questions?

Toog,

Midget went from a town read to one of your top three desired lynches. Why?

[House]

Still haven't explained why your read on me changed.

I wouldn't say it's really changed. I think you are oversimplifying the hierarchy of the list. You are still fairly high on my town read, as was most everyone above you. Maybe it would have helped if I had put a fairly large gap between you and House's slot? I did that post from a strictly analytical point of view as well. Nahdia isn't a bigger town read than you for example, she's just not someone I want to lynch at this very moment for "reasons."

You'd rather lynch three town reads over a scum read for 'reasons'.

Sounds legit.

[House]

In other news, I somehow confused Liger with Ranger, irt not sharing info.

Weird.

UNVOTE:

Do you feel differently about Ranger for some reason or another? You were fine voting Toog but never followed up with Ranger iirc.

When did I vote Toog, again?

I didn't put my vote on anyone after my identity confusion because I clearly don't have a handle on the game state yet.

[House]

In other news, I somehow confused Liger with Ranger, irt not sharing info.

Weird.

UNVOTE:

How did you mix these two up?

Mixed you guys think Liger avoiding the Bogre lynch and trying to support the slot was town?

-Dragons

I was reading Liger's ISO but I was still bothered about Ranger's secrecy because it seems counterproductive.

Not the first time I've confused myself, won't be the last.

[House]

I know this wasn't aimed at me but Almost getting rid of Rylai and Lina and ending the gladiate is a super pro-town move and scum had no reason to do that.

-Dragons

That was my knee jerk reaction, but since they had already used their ability yesterday, they might have done it to avoid future scrutiny down the road.

Of course, Almost could have claimed non-consecutive, but it'd have tied their hands down the road... but still, I think it was more pro-town than manipulation.

[House]

Finished 17.

Town: (Yume), Reasonable, Dragon, Ranger
Lean Town: Gee, Xk, Sensei, Nahdia
Neutral Town: Rylai, Toog
Null: Fire, Random, Peregine
Neutral Scum: Shadow, Shinobi
Lean Scum: Patches, Mixed
Scum: Zuffy, Almost, Bogre

~Arrow

Please explain how Toog is neutral town to you, considering his worthlessness d1 and his redonkulously inconsistent lynch preferences.

[House]

Ah, apparently Arrow is actually reading that huge pile of lollersauce...?

[House]

I'm seeing a lot of discussion from/about some players and there are others that aren't talking or being mentioned much.

Can I get some opinions on these folks, please?

Hastur and Muriel
Klingoncelt
Randomidget
Zulfy
PeregrineV
Gee Willikers
Patches the Spider

[House]

The "reasons I don't feel like stating" quote is from early Day 1 lol.
I went and reviewed Nahdia's ISO around the Bogre lynch and yeah it's not so hot. A question though - what separates Nahdia's "wagon dismantling attempt" from Liger and Toog, who also stated similar things? You're townreading Liger so it doesn't make sense.

-Dragons

Toog never did anything, you and House keep trying to say he hopped off, no, he came in at the time when we needed the momentum, consistently stuck through despite the mod warning us that he would replace the Bogre slot, and stayed on until we managed to quickhammer Bogre. Toog is town.

Liger was consistently against lynching a slot which would be replaced, which makes sense considering he had just replaced Fire Assassin. Liger is town.

Nahdia, on the other hand, completely flip flopped around, attempted to destroy the momentum of the wagon, was the first to unvote after Varsoon's interference, and did everything in her power to stop that wagon (it feels wrong...we shouldn't do this...), and after ALL THAT, she STILL placed her vote on him to stop town from getting the blood echoes. She's scum.

Bussing is a thing. You know this.

So giving out such a cheap town read just because you were literally sheeped, because scum can do it too.

Look at his play outside of that wagon and tell me what you see town there.

[House]

So = Stop

[House]

Ugh...fine.

Unvote;
Vote: Nahdia

Sorry sweetie. Last night might be a bust.

Why would you do something at night with a slot you scum read?

VOTE: Nahdia

The more you post, the worse you look.

Huntmaster Vote: Mixed6

[House]

I just realized something while looking at the shop. The Monocular costed 8000 echoes, but Bogre's lynch only rewarded 6000 echoes. So scum have something either making stuff cheaper for them or

giving them echoes.

Like a night kill, perhaps?

[House]

Why would you do something at night with a slot you scum read?

He sent her a message last night.

(To Nahdia) "Last night might be a bust" + "not voting Nahdia today for 'reasons'" = more than a simple message, imho.

[House]

In other news... I sent my private message to Nahdia last night. Hoping she got it.

Hah, two posts above that proves me right.

Do we KNOW there isn't a cult type faction?

[House]

Cool, buying Toog's claim for now.

[House]

Just because I believe Toog's claim doesn't mean i think he's incapable of recruiting scum into his neighborhood.

[House]

You're under suspicion for being scumbuddies with Nahdia. I have another vote at my disposal, and a well armed party that haven't even voted yet. Reveal what you know.

Question...

What if we pass on Nahdia today and Dragons send you their reasons tonight?

That way, it's not out there for all of scum.


We can revisit Nahdia the following day if the reasons are garbage.

[House]

Nah I'll be NK'd.

If you're NK'ed and there's no compelling case from Dragons, we follow through on the Nahdia lynch anyway.

[House]

They could use an insight today and open a PT with me to tell me in private.

And scum will likely read it.

[House]

In other news: I'd be ok with a Nahdia lynch, but still currently prefer a Mixed6 lynch.

This is bad and you should feel bad.

If you're scum reading Mixed, why would you be willing to vote his lynch target?


After all, if Mixed is scum, he bussed hard d1 all so he could stick around to sell... a Nahdia mislynch?

[House]

I already explained that, tyvm.

No. You don't get off that easy.

Just because you think both of them 'may' be scum does not mean they both 'are' scum, especially considering scum was bussed d1 either way according to your suspicions.

So if Mixed is scum, as you prefer to think, he hard bussed d1 in order to buy the towncred to mislynch d2.

If you seriously think this is happening,

1) Please for the love of God, sell your case.
2) Why would you be okay with your scumspect's target today, the day immediately following his supposed hard bus?

[House]

I already explained that, tyvm.

No. You don't get off that easy.

Just because you think both of them 'may' be scum does not mean they both 'are' scum, especially considering scum was bussed d1 either way according to your suspicions.

So if Mixed is scum, as you prefer to think, he hard bussed d1 in order to buy the towncred to mislynch d2.

If you seriously think this is happening,

1) Please for the love of God, sell your case.
2) Why would you be okay with your scumspect's target today, the day immediately following his supposed hard bus?

Go ISO the hydra and stop being hard-headed. I already explained once and my reads have not really changed since then.

~Arrow

Answer my question.

[House]

if 220 and 222 were really scummy for both Mixed6 and I, how come I'm at neutral scum and he's at scum lean?

Your tone read as sarcastic to me.

For whatever reason, Mixed then takes your post as completely genuine which makes me raise an eyebrow -- Mixed should imo not take such a post so literally, so it makes it look scummy to me because I completely don't buy Mixed's response.

The associated read on you is more a side-effect than the main thing resulting from the interaction, but your wording really sounded sarcastic in nature, so I strongly question why Mixed so readily accepted it.

Hope that makes my stance clearer there.
~Arrow

Pedit: Doesn't change my read of Mixed, but maybe Nahdia. I cannot believe that Mixed just backed down like that to sarcasm after giving a death threat shortly before.

~Arrow

For lazy House
~Arrow

1) Already read it. It does not answer my question, which is why I asked it.

2) Transparent doubting noted.

3) Answer my question.

[House]

Doubtcasting*

[House]

Don't ever doubt what scum will or will not do. They do it all.

Right, including sell their team down the river one after another?

There's a term for that, it's called playing against one's wincon, and it's a modkill offense.

In short, I think you're full of crap.

[House]

Don't ever doubt what scum will or will not do. They do it all.

Right, including sell their team down the river one after another?

There's a term for that, it's called playing against one's wincon, and it's a modkill offense.

In short, I think you're full of crap.

Well when we start killing off scum after scum without getting modkilled, at that point I guess you'll know we are town. Either way scum are getting killed so it's a win/win for you

-Huery

No brainchild, this is about Mixed6.

If he's scum selling out his team, as you seem to believe, it's a modkill offense.

I buy his push because he was accurate yesterDay and I don't think he'd be stupid enough as scum to bus back to back on the first two days of the game.

You are willing to follow your supposed scumspect's read even after he bussed hard d1 which put scum at a disadvantage and makes their wincon that much more difficult without having their members turn on each other.

Your reads are pure shit.

[House]

Mixed, I want Arrow tomorrow.

[House]

Bussing isn't a modkillable offense.

@mod

:

Not a one-off, no. But are you telling me if a scum member sells out their entire team that it doesn't fit the definition of playing against their own wincon?

[House]

Bussing isn't a modkillable offense.

@mod

:

Not a one-off, no. But are you telling me if a scum member sells out their entire team that it doesn't fit the definition of playing against their own wincon?

>RadiantCowbells's scum game

lol

-Dragons

And mine, for that matter... but there's a right way and wrong way to do it.

[House]

@House
Are you telling me in the hundreds of games you've played on this site, you've never seen a mafia bus their entire team? I would think you should know better, and thus I am inclined to believe that you are using this flawed logic in attempts to manipulate others into lynching town.

Huery

Dude,

I've

bussed my entire team. More than once.

As I've already stated, which is what you should have pushed on instead of this forced b/s.

[House]

Mixed, I want Arrow tomorrow.

Ah, yes, pointing fingers at people when someone is trying to catch up properly.

If you want accurate reads, let me catch up rather than deal with this stupid argument that is entirely pointless and invalid.
~Arrow

That post was obsolete before you caught up to it.

[House]

Mixed, I want Arrow tomorrow.

Ah, yes, pointing fingers at people when someone is trying to catch up properly.

If you want accurate reads, let me catch up rather than deal with this stupid argument that is entirely pointless and invalid.
~Arrow

That post was obsolete before you caught up to it.

Ok jerk.

I'm still on like pg 22 out of 80+ pages in D1. You do realize this argument just slows me down, right?

~Arrow

Maybe so, but me getting a bead on you is a higher priority to me than you completing a self-imposed reading assignment.

[House]

I didn't ask you shite.

[House]

Maybe so, but me getting a bead on you is a higher priority to me than you completing a self-imposed reading assignment.

Arrow, where is a question?

[House]

if 220 and 222 were really scummy for both Mixed6 and I, how come I'm at neutral scum and he's at scum lean?

Your tone read as sarcastic to me.

For whatever reason, Mixed then takes your post as completely genuine which makes me raise an eyebrow -- Mixed should imo not take such a post so literally, so it makes it look scummy to me because I completely don't buy Mixed's response.

The associated read on you is more a side-effect than the main thing resulting from the interaction, but your wording really sounded sarcastic in nature, so I strongly question why Mixed so readily accepted it.

Hope that makes my stance clearer there.
~Arrow

Pedit: Doesn't change my read of Mixed, but maybe Nahdia. I cannot believe that Mixed just backed down like that to sarcasm after giving a death threat shortly before.

~Arrow

For lazy House
~Arrow

1) Already read it. It does not answer my question, which is why I asked it.

2) Transparent doubting noted.

3) Answer my question.

What do you call these?

You continue to expect an answer which I am unable to provide at the time being.
~Arrow

And you're whining about something I said forty posts ago.

Do try to keep current.

[House]

Hi all...

Y'all are going to love this...

I'm negative utility, and no I absolutely will not read the last hundred + pages and plop out some half-baked reads wall with no context.

I will ISO players I interact with them or as they draw my attention.

Bring the pain!

You can catch up easily, just skip over Rylai and Lina's posts.

Yeah no kidding.

You have no idea how happy I was to see that dayvig.

[House]

.
At the start of the day I felt it was likely that scum had purchased the monocles, however, there seem to be other methods fo rpeople to gain echoes beyond just lynches(people being town), so...idk. It could easily have been bought by a town slot being proactive.

Example?

[House]

.
At the start of the day I felt it was likely that scum had purchased the monocles, however, there seem to be other methods fo rpeople to gain echoes beyond just lynches(people being town), so...idk. It could easily have been bought by a town slot being proactive.

Example?

Perhaps you see no reason to talk about it, but I do. I did not give you the gift of knowledge so that you could hoard it. Come now, share with the class.

Ok we got 3K blood echoes and 1 insight.

Sadly we cannot gain insight.

fixing that 2k

~Rylai

It seems patches gave R&L 2k blood echoes. If there's one role which may grant echoes, I don't see any reason to assume there are no others. If another such role exists and is town aligned, it's more likely than not that it was used on town who was on the lynch(given that mathematically the lynch was composed of more town than scum), and only one kill happened last night, so I would only expect one scum to have potentially had the 8k echoes.

In addition, given that Mixed6 was part of the hunting party and showed he had gained at least 3k echoes, and the huntmaster gained that and more(though she hasn't told us what), all members of the party who were on the lynch could have also purchased the item, and again, are more likely than not to be town.

So yeah.

I think it's actually more likely that town bought the monocle than scum. I was thinking the same way as Toogeloo earlier in the day(I said as much in the huntmaster PT), but have since changed my mind after thinking about it further and seeing what was said by patches regarding R&L.

-Cerb

I disagree.

If town has purchased the monocle, they'd be more likely to out the purchase to put the paranoia to rest because it's extremely anti-town to leave us all paranoid of being spotted on by scum as it hinders us from communicating.

Hiding the ownership of the monocle is pro-scum.

[House]

Spied* on*

[House]

I'm against it.

That's be a lunch wagon I'm not on, which doesn't work for me.

[House]

Lynch* lol

[House]

Suit yourself.

You're only hindering town by not helping me.

[House]

How so? What sort of help would you like? Is it echoes you seek?

-Cerb

Nope.

My utility won't kick in until we lose some town, at which point I become an equalizer.

Since I town read Mixed, and by extension, you, I'll let you decide if you want me to disclose more than that before tonight.

[House]

Now I need to figure out some other reads. Can you offer some pointers? Vanilla until I get what I need, so I have to earn my keep.

[House]

A50, GW, Randomidget, Mixed6 are all not scum.

That's all I've got.

-Cerb

Thanks, I already had no interest in lynching Always after that glorious dayvig that saved d2.

[House]

{Reasonably Irrational, Shadow_Step, Liger}
{Toogeloo, Gee Willikers,}
{KlingonCelt, Daenerys and Dragons, Heuristic_Arrow}
{Nahdia, Hastur and Muriel, Zulfy, Mixed6,}
{PeregrineV, House}
{Almost50}
{Shinobi, Ranger}

Bad Midget.

Talk to me. Sort me properly.

[House]

{Reasonably Irrational, Shadow_Step, Liger}
{Toogeloo, Gee Willikers,}
{KlingonCelt, Daenerys and Dragons, Heuristic_Arrow}
{Nahdia, Hastur and Muriel, Zulfy, Mixed6,}
{PeregrineV, House}

{Almost50}

{Shinobi, Ranger}

Huh?!

[House]

{Reasonably Irrational, Shadow_Step, Liger}
{Toogeloo, Gee Willikers,}
{KlingonCelt, Daenerys and Dragons, Heuristic_Arrow}
{Nahdia, Hastur and Muriel, Zulfy, Mixed6,}
{PeregrineV, House}
{Almost50}
{Shinobi, Ranger}

Bad Midget.

Talk to me. Sort me properly.

Reads on Shinobi, Ranger and KC?

I haven't gotten around to reading either of those three yet.

I'll get to that later on today.

[House]

20 alive at day start.

14 town
5 scum
1 third party
________
20 players

[House]

Shinobi's push on Nahdia in the early part of d1 was ick, but his response to the dayvig attempt was pretty town.

He's done a bit of choosing here and there, but if he doesn't like town roles I can kinda understand that... but I don't remember him having this kind of half-disengaged attitude in the past when he was town. Doesn't mean that he isn't, though.

Null/scum, not enthused voting here but I'd still get on the wagon.

[House]

Bit of coasting*

[House]

I think Ranger carries beasthood and has concerns about attracting the NK that may be town motivated, so much so that she'd rather risk town suspicion/wagon instead.

I've no clue what cases anybody has made on her, though. This is just the impression i get from a skim through.

[House]

No pushes or serious investigating from KC.

Bit of defensiveness about those in her party catching cores, when she (supposedly) can't know their alignments.

I wouldn't mind seeing some pressure on her to either get her to making productive posts or at least show that she's town.

[House]

I'm uncertain why you believe she has beasthood (her negative utility crumb?).

Something everyone should know : Apparently, even though the opening post of this day phase says there were 20 alive at day start, I have cause to believe there were actually 21 alive at day start.

No, I have no idea what it means or how that is possible(a role which can fake death perhaps?) but the information comes from a source I trust.

The implication is that there exists another third party beyond patches.

-Cerb

Remember, the dead can continue to post in neighborhoods. Is this why you think there's 21?

[House]

No pushes or serious investigating from KC.

Bit of defensiveness about those in her party catching

cores

votes, when she (supposedly) can't know their alignments.

I wouldn't mind seeing some pressure on her to either get her to making productive posts or at least show that she's town.

Ebwop

[House]

I'm uncertain why you believe she has beasthood (her negative utility crumb?).

That and her beast crumb.

[House]

so you think sensei faked his death?

Honestly, I have no fucking idea. Theres limited options to account for the discrepancy though.

New slot added to the game. A hidden slot in the game (that may enter public view later).

Someone listed as dying without actually ending up dead.

Not sure what else it could be, and those are all really weird.

-Cerb

Most likely scenario. The others would be bastard, wouldn't they?

[House]

wouldn't that last one be kidna bastard too? it's a mod lie.

No it's not, read the O's again.

[House]

Op's

[House]

I think the only guaranteed dead are those who have had their role flipped.

Before the flip, putting them back in via some special ability doesn't screw the game up.

[House]

No pushes or serious investigating from KC.

Bit of defensiveness about those in her party catching cores, when she (supposedly) can't know their alignments.

I wouldn't mind seeing some pressure on her to either get her to making productive posts or at least show that she's town.

I've been doing most of my talking in the Hunters' PT.

Is that supposed to make me change my read?

[House]

Here,

HOUSE

, my most recent readslist:

TOWN
Mixed6
Reasonably Irrational

LEAN TOWN
Almost50
Hastur and Muriel

NULL
Daenerys and Dragons
Dwlee/(GeeWillikers)
Nahdia
PeregrineV
Ranger
Shinobi
Toogeloo
House/(Xkyfu)
PatchestheSpider

LEAN SCUM
Liger_Zero/(Fire Assassin)
Randomidget
Shadow_Step
Heuristic_Arrow/(Yume)
Zulfy

Why do you town lean HM?

[House]

But here is my VC!

Lynch all Liars.

[House]

I'm good with lynching Toog and/or Arrow.

[House]

Toog is town.

Doubt it.

[House]

Pedit2: Nah, I think Toog is town too.

Like that read has any credibility, considering you're still way back in d1.

[House]

Here,

HOUSE

, my most recent readslist:

TOWN
Mixed6
Reasonably Irrational

LEAN TOWN
Almost50
Hastur and Muriel

NULL
Daenerys and Dragons
Dwlee/(GeeWillikers)
Nahdia
PeregrineV
Ranger
Shinobi
Toogeloo
House/(Xkyfu)
PatchestheSpider

LEAN SCUM
Liger_Zero/(Fire Assassin)
Randomidget
Shadow_Step
Heuristic_Arrow/(Yume)
Zulfy

Why do you town lean HM?

Because I like what they're saying and how they say it.

I take it you don't like them? Why?

What are they saying that you like?

What is it about the way they say it that seems town?

[House]

Also, Mixed remains my top scumread atm, so unfortunately, my vote is staying put.

I'm more than half-way through Day 1. I plan to finish by Saturday or so.

You have no business voting considering by your own admission your reads are based on ancient content.

If you're town, unvote and keep it that way until you have something relevant to add.

[House]

I think Ranger carries beasthood and has concerns about attracting the NK that may be town motivated, so much so that she'd rather risk town suspicion/wagon instead.

I should not comment on any of this, for obvious reasons.

I'll say I'm far more concerned about being lynched though.

That and her beast crumb.

I should also not comment on whether I'm a beast or not, but I can say I certainly didn't 'crumb being one.

What was the remark about in 1531?

How else do dogs (beasts) "have to win with" humanity?

[House]

Threaded Cane: Liger_Zero, Hastur & Muriel.

I'm good with this.

Mixed I think I might be a good choice for Huntmaster for next round.

You need to prove yourself first by being on a scum lynch today. Backing out from Bogre yesterday did you no favors, but your actions from here on out may yet redeem you.

He backs out of a scum lunch, refuses to share his thought processes, tries to direct lynched with nothing more than "trust me guys", and you think he's town?

I don't.

VOTE: Liger_Zero

House, vote for Liger. Let's lynch one of Liger and Hastur today.

Why Liger over HM?

VOTE: Liger

[House]

I'd be down for switching my vote if need be.

[House]

VOTE: Arrow

[House]

I think my vote is L-5.

[House]

[House]

Purchase:

Beast Roar

[House]

Purchase:

Beast Roar

Cancel that

[House]

Scum is obviously desperate to lynch RI, so they're probably going to target them tonight if the lynch fails.

Considering huntmaster votes CANNOT be changed, take that into consideration before plopping down a vote.

[House]

Huntmaster votes can be changed....
I assumed the Poison votes came from the Dungeon, rather then from scum. Like the Fire votes yesterday.

-SC

No they cannot.

[House]

pedit: house, they can be changed. A50 had the same confusion at the start of the game, but yeah. Huntmaster votes are totally changeable.

When I first read the intro, they were explicitly disallowed. It caught my attention because of the limitations it implied.

I've reread the intro and that but is missing now, so... whatever.

[House]

Scum is obviously desperate to lynch RI, so they're probably going to target them tonight if the lynch fails.

Considering huntmaster votes CANNOT be changed, take that into consideration before plopping down a vote.

Welcome!

Did your negative utility thing disappear yet?

I've publicly claimed all I care to at this point. If RI choose to share anything, that is there prerogative.

[House]

Their*

[House]

If you have questions, why do you think they're not important?

Are you just saying that because you don't think town will consider them important?

If they're not important to you, why bring them up at all?

[House]

Well you got Shinobi over here criticizing the questions I've asked today for not being groundbreaking enough.

At the time I came in there'd only been so many posts. I

considered

asking what I just talked about in that last post but like I said: It's just irrelevant stuff that doesn't help town so why would I ask it?

So I went with asking IR (Cerb) about the thing he said about ABR. He answered it.

Why should you care what anyone else thinks about your questions?

If you don't understand something, how else will you figure the game out if you don't ask questions?

Why are you so concerned about perception?

VOTE: zulfy

[House]

I understood everything? I understood why you were confused and what Nahdia was doing.

If you understood everything, why did you have questions?

You said you had questions.

Now you say you already understood.

Which is it?

[House]

I understood everything? I understood why you were confused and what Nahdia was doing.

If you understood everything, why did you have questions?

You said you had questions.

Now you say you already understood.

Which is it?

SAW CLEAVER (TRANSFORMED)

: zulfy

He's also very concerned about how he looks in the nightmare pt, them this d2 opening... ugh.

[House]

I'm telling him, telling Shinobi "look Shinobi,

there's nothing to ask right now

" or, you know, at least at the time I came in. There was not much.

Oh, you know everything then!

Excellent!

Tell us so everybody else knows, too.

[House]

Since I'm asking you to share what you know, it's only fair that I also share something.

Zulfy is not the host of the nightmare pt he's in.

[House]

Since I'm asking you to share what you know, it's only fair that I also share something.

Zulfy is not the host of the nightmare pt he's in.

Mhm.

If it's your pt, you saw what I said to you in there. I figured it belonged to you after that post.

[House]

Oh, no, it's not mine. I'm just privy to a bunch of information from a number of sources. Mainly wondering if you came to the conclusion you did because of the presence of the bolded individual from my last post, or because you have an independent source of that information regarding zulfys pt.

-Cerb

Mod confirmed that Zulfy is not the host.

Zulfy asked if he could invite others and the mod answered no because he was not the host of the pt.

Then he claims he invited KC...

[House]

Then he claims he invited KC...

Here in the game thread, I mean.

[House]

Liger, who did you send your anonymous message to last night?

I sent it to Mixed and it was just a bunch of insults and threats, because I was super pissed about that lynch they pushed.

Ooh, look how town you are.

I'm properly impressed.

[House]

Yes, because a unconfirmed message about a anger post makes me so townie.
Nothing else does, how has townhouse been doing?

Oh, y'know me... getting forces into nightmares... outing the scum in them... business as usual.

[House]

Actually, House, there'd a decent degree of towniness to be had from sending a message giving someone widely townread and with the ability to push a lot of votes on you an additional reason to come after you.

In addition, there's no real reason I can think of for scum to utilize this resource to send what amounts to nothing more than a taunt.

-Cerb

If that's what he did.

Also, it's easy to criticize a town lynch after the fact.

The only bad thing about yesterday's lynch was the amount of non-player votes on it, but that hardly warrants a flood of threats and insults.

[House]

Same question as above, if you don't mind discussing.

I don't mind at all. It's me, scum!zulfy, and KC.

[House]

Way to go house.

I never asked those questions, as you can see.

Why bring up questions you

don't

have?

[House]

No, it's practically conftown. Try again.

And maybe answer my question while you're at it.

-Cerb

Have no idea who you are referring to.

You, dude.

Read his ISO... not far, just for the current day

[House]

Why bring up questions you don't have?

Already answered that.

Showing shinobi there was not much going on.

There's plenty of content from day 1!

Do your reads and suspicions evaporate overnight?

[House]

There's plenty of content from day 1!

Do your reads and suspicions evaporate overnight?

This post means you're not attacking me with my day 3 posts anymore so I don't have to do anything else.

Your d3 posts are the least of my concerns.

It's your lying and scheming in the pt that set off my scum far.

If you're not scum, who is?

[House]

There's plenty of content from day 1!

Do your reads and suspicions evaporate overnight?

This post means you're not attacking me with my day 3 posts anymore so I don't have to do anything else.

Your d3 posts are the least of my concerns.

It's your lying and scheming in the pt that set off my

scum far

scumdar.

If you're not scum, who is?

EBWOP

[House]

There's plenty of content from day 1!

Do your reads and suspicions evaporate overnight?

This post means you're not attacking me with my day 3 posts anymore so I don't have to do anything else.

Don't have to do anything else? Are you not interested in finding scum?

[House]

Untrue

How is it untrue?

[House]

I feel like with such a long night, people should be more excited to play.

-Cerb

Or they forgot the game existed.

[House]

I could get behind a Zulfy lynch

VOTE: Zulfy

Why?

[House]

No quicklynch today please

-Dragons

I'm voting him due to the danger of a quicklynch.

Who do you think is in danger of a quicklynch?

[House]

No quicklynch today please

-Dragons

I'm voting him due to the danger of a quicklynch.

Who do you think is in danger of a quicklynch?

Are you serious?

-Dragons

Yup

[House]

@House:

Why did you think scum were trying to lynch RI?

Moonlogic.

I figured scum had somehow devised a way to pile on anonymous votes on RI during the night phase.

Just a first impression thing.

[House]

just ignore me im gay

Now I can hardly "ignore" you. I want to WATCH!

I like the way you think.

[House]

OK, I think I can do this:

BOWBLADE: Liger_Zero

Have I ever told you you're my hero?

[House]

VOTE: Liger_Zero

[House]

Why is everyone talking about my message as if it means anything alignment indicative of anything?
I believe this slot has done way more in terms of readability than send an angry message to a now dead player.

Its not even proven that I sent a message.
Why is this like a thing you are trying to discern info from?

I agree with you. I don't think it means anything at all.

[House]

Eh, you can all disagree with me, I'm still right.

If you don't like the Liger wagon, who do you think is scum?

[House]

has zulfy done much there, klingon?

Idk klingon's take, but I think he looks shade as shit in the nightmare pt.

[House]

Toog what scumreads do you possess aside from the obvious ones (liger, zulfy)?

Gee Willikers, House, PeregrineV, Hastur and Muriel

Oh look, my scumread scumreads me.

Fite me!

[House]

@House and Dwlee
You guys are more than welcome to try and push my lynch, but my role is confirmable by at least two people now. I invite people into the towniest hood in the game, and I guess it can be possible that I am scum inviting people in, but it would be extremely farfetched. Plus there is the small matter of my 1-shot slay proof and that I still have it, so an attempted lynch on me will fail today anyways. But, hey feel free to suspect and vote me.

1) Scum have every reason to neighborize town. Confirming you are a neighborizer does not confirm you town.

2) Slay proof sounds like quite a useful scum power. Especially in MyLo.

3) Your play is fucking scummy and this is your idea of selling yourself town?

[House]

Out of curiousity... how is my play scummy? Because activity isn't indicative of scuminess. I'd like to genuinely know what I've done that is scummy so if I need to explain it, I can.

So tell me Toog, why did Sensei and Arrow threaten scum more than a player that is in no danger of being lynched due to their role?

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to waste the day lynching you, hence the reason I'm not voting you. I would very much like you being vigged , though.

[House]

So tell me Toog, why did Sensei and Arrow threaten scum more than a player that is in no danger of being lynched due to their role?

I have no idea what you are asking here. Maybe reword it?

Nah, it's pretty self-explanatory.

[House]

To me where the word activity was in my question to you.

[House]

To

Tell me where the word activity was in my question to you.

EBWOP

[House]

HUNTMASTER VOTE: Reasonably Irrational

[House]

RI, why am I not lynching this?

[House]

In the Nightmare PT I'm in (Zulfy, KlingonCelt, House and Randommidget) No one is coming out as the owner of the dream. We have all denied being the owner.

The rule say: more than 3 = must invite themselves. In other words you have now reached the cap, and the owner (if not already in) has the option of just keeping it at that OR is forced to invite themselves before anyone else can join that nightmare. Put simply: if neither of you 4 IS the owner then then next player to join MUST BE the owner.

There is another in there, as yet not outed.

Zulfy should not have outed Randomidget.

He shouldn't have outed me earlier in the game.

There's no reason to out everyone in a Dream/Nightmare Hood, especially when the others want to remain anonymous.

That one doesn't really count, and you bringing it up at all is hypocritical.

[House]

Untrue House. It's relevant because without knowledge of the existence of that other, people will arrive at flawed conclusions, such as believing that the next person to be invited must be the owner, when in reality the owner MUST be among those who are currently members.

Not that lying about their ownership is alignment indicative in any way.

Klingoncelt, give us the context of the "proof" that any given party already in there isn't the owner please.

-Cerb

I'm not sure that's even accurate, considering who that player is.

[House]

House, why did you attempt to buy the beast howl and then change your mind?

-Cerb

Reasons. If you're truly curious, I'll answer it toNight.

[House]

Hmm. So that's meaninfless, it's the answer Varsoon would have had to give to any member who asked that question, in public or else he would be confirming a role claim.

Right?

-Cerb

No. He literally saturated that Zulfy did not own the nightmare. If he wanted to avoid mod confirmation, he would have simply refused to answer in thread.

[House]

Hmm. So that's meaninfless, it's the answer Varsoon would have had to give to any member who asked that question, in public or else he would be confirming a role claim.

Right?

-Cerb

No. He literally

saturated

stated that Zulfy did not own the nightmare. If he wanted to avoid mod confirmation, he would have simply refused to answer in thread.

EBWOP

[House]

House is a scum read because he's active but his activity is solely antagonistic posts. His content isn't really deep, and more just dickposts and he appears to just want to been seen but not heard.

Right, so I'm putting a huge spotlight on myself and don't give a damn.

That's totally my scum game. You got me pegged, master detective extraordinaire.

[House]

My suspicion of zulfy is well documented, so this should surprise noone.

VOTE: zulfy

[House]

You are edgy enough, and what appears to be popular enough, that people aren't bothered by your lower content since you at least post en bulk. You aren't getting any kind of spotlight on yourself at all, you just active lurk and insult people most the time.

Popular? You must have me confused with the character in my avatar.

So in your eyes, I'm a popular, edgy scum that draws attention to myself by massive shitposting.

If I was indeed popular as you allege, pretty much everyone would already know all this about me if you were right, right?

Or are you saying that it takes someone as oh so intelligent as yourself to recognize my playstyle as scum in a single game when others who have been in a number of games with me haven't picked up on the fact that

I'm actually conservative, pro-town scum

?

If you actually DID know the first damned thing about me, you'd know that I'm apathetic about how paranoid idiots read me when I'm town because the alignment in general annoys me.

[House]

Or are you saying that it takes someone as oh so intelligent as yourself to recognize my playstyle as scum in a single game when others who have been in a number of games with me haven't picked up on the fact that I'm actually conservative, pro-town scum?

I take every player at face value within the game itself. Your replacement entrance gave me the vibe that this is the type of play you typically emulate and most people seemed to have a laugh about it. It was a turn off for me, and you haven't done anything to make me reconsider your slot. That's my PoV, and if you are conservative pro-town scum and people seem to know that about you as well, then it behooves you to change your meta anyways, since you are aware of your own style.

Not really. I enjoy the game far more as scum hence my increased interest in avoiding such derpitude when I'm that alignment.

[House]

and it seems my role is more boring now.

Okay so I'll just target IR if I die. All your weapons will have twice the utility.

Pedit: Yea

If I wasn't already scumreading zulfy, that would have sealed it.

[House]

SAW CLEAVER (TRANSFORMED): zulfy

Because I'm an asshole like that.

[House]

House why'd you hammer that :/

-Dragons

ISO me.

I scumread zulfy since the day I was added to the nightmare pt.

Also, read the post preceding my hammer.

[House]

i think her point was that the reason you guys didn't talk in the PT together was that your partners so you have nothing to talk about

But that isn't really accurate either.

True, you have plenty to talk about, but you have a more private venue for those discussions.

[House]

Disestablishmentarianism is a long freaking word.

In other news, Ranger will you please post the message R&L sent you that you mentioned yesterDay.

[House]

The real question I have is whether we have a miller+ a godfather, or if the one miller claim I know about(who happens to investigate as the alignment of the prior days lynch if they helped slay them) is actually the scum godfather.

Scum godfather has no reason to fakeclaim Miller that mimics alignment of the lynch, because they'd be outed as a liar if they were investigated after not being on the wagon and returning a town result.

I don't see godfather throwing away their free pass on investigatives just to be caught out in an unnecessary lie.

[House]

It's like in Borderlands Mafia. The Conditional GF's fakeclaim was Conditional Miller and the description was just flipped. Could be dealing with the same thing.

Then the utility would be the exact reverse that RI described, wouldn't it?

[House]

Since RI wants to bring the other Miller claim into the discussion, let's just bring that all into the light.

It's me.

Before I ascend to beast form, I investigate as scum unless I'm on a town wagon. If I'm on a town wagon, I investigate as the lynched player's flavor, alignment, and role. This way, I know what a player flips before it is public info.

After I ascend to beast form, I will ALWAYS investigate as scum. Hence, Miller.

Now, since we want to talk about me and why I'm wanting to be on lynches, it is not because it makes me investigate as town.

Upon earning 3 beasthood, I become a non-consecutive vig and it will require 2/3 majority to lynch me.

I disclosed every bit of this to RI 2 Nights ago.

Ranger, does the following mean anything to you?

DIE, SCUM!

[House]

Ranger, beveling that question.

I just realized it was a message from some dumbass without a clue.

[House]

Ranger,

beveling

never mind that question.

I just realized it was a message from some dumbass without a clue.

[House]

And so it begins.

[House]

What does that mean? Do you believe that is evidence he's scum, mechanically, or does the effect just not make sense to you, or what?

It just seems completely weird that he can scan town if he's on a town lynch. Like, what's the point of that other than to fuck with an investigation of a mislynch?

Did you shoot last night House? If you did, how come you didn't shoot me and try to remove my slay-proof despite all the talk yesterday from both you and RI that I should be vigged?

1) I'm not a vig until I'm on one more mislynch wagon. Likewise, the 2/3 majority lynch isn't in effect until then.

2) I will no longer inspect as town, period, after attaining beasthood form.

[House]

Delete, you know why your ability is so dangerous to be used frivolously?

VOTE: Liger

Molotov Cocktail: Liger

SAW CLEAVER (TRANSFORMED): Liger

That's why.

[House]

DwLee*

[House]

Executioner's Glove: House

VOTE: House

Too late.

I just hammered.

[House]

HUNTMASTER VOTE: RANGER

[House]

Seriously?

Yep, Hunter's Rune from Zulfy's lynch gives me double effect on consumables.

[House]

Executioner's Glove: House

VOTE: House

I'll be seeing you tonight.

[House]

PURCHASE: POISON KNIFE

POISON KNIFE: LIGER

That settles that.

[House]

Sorry, had a mix up on the effect of the rune... it's double usage z not effect.

All fixed!

[House]

Carson confirmed the lynch via pm and will handle it in the morning.

Sleep tight, folks.

[House]

Varsoon*

[House]

There's an item called the Shaman Bone Blade/Exert Control.

This will be on me tonight, so you can get your actions in without worry, btw.

[House]

UNVOTE:

Next time, think before you open the door to a quicklynch hours into the day.

[House]

What the fuck
At least we have confirmed scum now lmao

Guess again.

[House]

House, it doesn't matter, you're being lynched tomorrow 100% of the time. So yeah, if you're town, massive throw there.

-Cerb

Nah. If I am, it will just prove you're scum because you are smarter than to just reflexively lynch anti-town actions.

The only reason to lynch me is because I'm an easy sell right now.

[House]

Transformed Beast Claw: House

Maybe liger isnt lynched somehow lol

Knock yourself out.

Varsoon confirmed he was lynched in pm, but didn't end the day because he's going to bed.

[House]

if you acknowledge something is anti-town why the fuck are you doing it?

Anti-town and pro-scum are two very different things.

[House]

He may not be lynched, btw, it just depends on ligers role. If Varsoon was CERTAIN he was lynched, he would have locked the thread.

All he confirmed was that the prior votes plus the 4 you placed on him would put him at 8 votes. That doesn't mean he's lynched.

-Cerb

His exact response was: 10/10

[House]

Holy fucking house I can't call you the word I want to call you I will be perma banned for it

You are fucking
Fuck

Fuck you you fucking FUCK

FUCK






FUCK

Go ahead. I give you permission because I respect you as a player even if you don't respect me right now.

[House]

ok house honestly i thought you were legit scumclaiming last page and now you're just fucking confusing me.what POSSIBLE motivation could you have for this stunt?

The status quo sucked.

There were complaints, and rightfully so, about lynches boiling down to policy, and excuses of nobody acting scummy which is utter bullshit.

So tomorrow, that's all going to change. I'll be wagoned. If I'm lynched, I'll flip town. There will be shit to actually investigate besides the popularity contest that has been pervading this game.

[House]

I don't think it's possible you won't be lyched. The question is more, who else will be lynched along with you?
-Cerb

The numbers are 12/3
Tomorrow, the numbers will be 10/3
If you lynch me and another town, it will be 7/3.

Just how much do you want to "teach me a lesson" with your policy?

[House]

The numbers are 12/3

Tomorrow, the numbers will be 10/3

If you lynch me and another town, it will be 7/3.

So you just hammered what you know to be town? Also, if Varsoon has already confirmed all this to you, why is the day still going?

I've said more than once, he was going to bed.

[House]

ok house honestly i thought you were legit scumclaiming last page and now you're just fucking confusing me.what POSSIBLE motivation could you have for this stunt?

The status quo sucked.

There were complaints, and rightfully so, about lynches boiling down to policy, and excuses of nobody acting scummy which is utter bullshit.

So tomorrow, that's all going to change. I'll be wagoned. If I'm lynched, I'll flip town. There will be shit to actually investigate besides the popularity contest that has been pervading this game.

Go fuck a toaster.
You say the status quo sucked because it was popularity contest and policy lunches yet you create a policy lunch for yourself, you hypocrite.

You aren't a golden messiah you are an idiot who doesn't realize that you are 100% throwing the game.
You do in fact deserve a ban.

Right, because I NEVER scumread you at ALL.

Sure, sport.

[House]

I still want to know if House vigged one of the three people who died last night

Just how fucking stupid are you?

[House]

I still want to know if House vigged one of the three people who died last night

Just how fucking stupid are you?

I have my moments.

Upon earning 3 beasthood

, I

become

a non-consecutive vig

What does that mean? Do you believe that is evidence he's scum, mechanically, or does the effect just not make sense to you, or what?

It just seems completely weird that he can scan town if he's on a town lynch. Like, what's the point of that other than to fuck with an investigation of a mislynch?

Did you shoot last night House? If you did, how come you didn't shoot me and try to remove my slay-proof despite all the talk yesterday from both you and RI that I should be vigged?

1)

I'm not a vig until I'm on one more mislynch wagon.

Likewise, the 2/3 majority lynch isn't in effect until then.

2) I will no longer inspect as town, period, after attaining beasthood form.

[House]

House, IF you're still alive tonight and are town, do not shoot. Scum can't redirect an action you do not take.

-Cerb

The numbers are 12/3

Tomorrow, the numbers will be 10/3

If you lynch me and another town, it will be 7/3.

I said here I'd be holding my shot.

[House]

Executioner's Glove: House

VOTE: House

I'll be seeing you tonight.

wanna explain this then?

Easily, I was fishing for scum to target me for the shaman boneblade.

[House]

House is a fucking moron. Can everyone post theirr top 3 scumreads? I'm going to ISO a few people before I do.

Moron like a fox.

After I flip green, look at who screamed for my blood after treating me like town.

There is zero scum motivation in painting a bullseye on head that makes me the target of not just one faction, but both.

[House]

idea: let's NOT plan on 5 second days. . . it doesn't give us any advantage to punish play like that.

Technically, it makes all town aware that this play will not be tolerated in this game, and by slots capable of enforcing that policy. It forces them to slow down and play because they will know that this behavior will hurt their team overall.

-Cerb

Which is exactly what I did first.

But somehow it's town motivated only when it comes from you?

[House]

idea: let's NOT plan on 5 second days. . . it doesn't give us any advantage to punish play like that.

Technically, it makes all town aware that this play will not be tolerated in this game, and by slots capable of enforcing that policy. It forces them to slow down and play because they will know that this behavior will hurt their team overall.

-Cerb

Which is exactly what I did first.

But somehow it's town motivated only when it comes from you?

..YOU LYNCHED SOMEONE.

That is NOT the same as dwlee putting someone at L-4.

-Cerb

Duh. And you're going to justify my mislynch by doing the same damned thing you're lynching me over.

[House]

I suppose you should have considered that before you decided to teach dwlee a lesson.

As far as I'm concerned, if this ends up with two mislynches in a row, it's entirely your fault.

-Cerb

Keep on pawning off responsibility.

[House]

(You'll notice RI isn't even TRYING to claim I'm scum)

[House]

House why'd you go for Liger and not Shinobi? since you have the double consumable use, you could of nailed either.

Liger has been a scum read of mine for a while, and his wagon evaporated yesterday.

[House]

idk. i guess you could've just been covering your bases but since you pushed through that lynch you've seemed of the mindset that he's flipping town.

I totally hope he flips scum. I'll know after the thread is locked.

You know who else wanted Liger dead? Mixed.

Funny how that's being completely ignored.

[House]

Mixed is in a nightmare with me, I've been getting his thoughts all the while.

For what it's worth, he's against lynching you. He think this more likely came from town.

Of course he does. He'd have probably done the same thing. Something else RI isn't either considering or is hoping wouldn't be brought up.