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the players gonna play play play play play
haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate
im just gonna shake shake shake shake shake
shake it out
SHAKE IT OUT
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that should be off
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FUCK YOU CEPH YOU MADE ME MESS UP THE LYRICS YOU DISTRACTED ME-
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could vote wayward or tim. not liking beeboy posts from the salthydra-
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titus post is also bad-
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...? yeah
not sure what ur trying to convey there
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... huh?In post 205, Cephrir wrote:anti you just hate love and rainbows!-
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no idea overallIn post 202, rb wrote:If Salthydra is scum, how many of the named Town would you think were also scum? If any?
WITH beeboy probnone maybe 1-
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shrugIn post 213, Cephrir wrote:
your dislike of titus' postIn post 210, Heartless wrote:
... huh?In post 205, Cephrir wrote:anti you just hate love and rainbows!
i wasn't serious
i mean... if ur srsly townreading fa rn
>u dont know fa
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she has a really tight scumgame even in single ballIn post 226, Luna Fox wrote:
I don't know FA, and i'm seriously townreading FA right now.In post 225, Heartless wrote:>u dont know fa
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yep and thats the head i will be basing the read onIn post 227, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:Fire is here also....-
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shitty premiseIn post 249, Salt Squad wrote:
I think that looking for town tells over scum tells is a huge town tell in multiball since scum are prioritizing finding the other scum or getting control over the game by driving lynches because there is another faction fighting for that control.In post 248, Luna Fox wrote:
This is the only post remotely close to scumhunting i've seen from fire.In post 194, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
Town post because the person is weirded out, and only people who are weirded out are town.In post 192, Cephrir wrote:that's one of the weirdest reasons i've ever been townread but okay
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Where are you getting your read from.
Just this?
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titus if your ego comes out and rules everytging this game i will be pissed
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what the fuck r u talking aboutIn post 269, Salt Squad wrote:In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8102105#p8102105]post 268[/url], beeboy wrote:Why are you so concerned with me town reading Fire and Ice?
Also did you dislike my explanation is 262?
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if you want to know what my issue is w ur "townreada" in general are its that they look thrown out there, not too well thought out, and theres too many of them (scum not wanting to make enemies)In post 277, Heartless wrote:
what the fuck r u talking aboutIn post 269, Salt Squad wrote:In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8102105#p8102105]post 268[/url], beeboy wrote:Why are you so concerned with me town reading Fire and Ice?
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where did i say i townread fire...?In post 285, Salt Squad wrote:
You caught me as scum because I was concerned with people's town reads on other players without having a strong opinion on those players. I find it odd that you would be calling my town read on Fire bad when you share the same town read (I think). Like you are doing something you told me was scummy in previous game and that makes me feel incredibly wary of your alignment.In post 277, Heartless wrote:
what the fuck r u talking aboutIn post 269, Salt Squad wrote:In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8102105#p8102105]post 268[/url], beeboy wrote:Why are you so concerned with me town reading Fire and Ice?
Also did you dislike my explanation is 262
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262: Is this explanation for my Fire town read bad?
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i also called the premise bad not specifically as it relates to fire-
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also u kinda missed the idea behind my reasoning in rcs gameIn post 285, Salt Squad wrote:
You caught me as scum because I was concerned with people's town reads on other players without having a strong opinion on those players. I find it odd that you would be calling my town read on Fire bad when you share the same town read (I think). Like you are doing something you told me was scummy in previous game and that makes me feel incredibly wary of your alignment.In post 277, Heartless wrote:
what the fuck r u talking aboutIn post 269, Salt Squad wrote:In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8102105#p8102105]post 268[/url], beeboy wrote:Why are you so concerned with me town reading Fire and Ice?
Also did you dislike my explanation is 262?
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262: Is this explanation for my Fire town read bad?
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In post 320, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:heartless any reads so far?
already said wat they were on a phone so not going back to pull quotesIn post 321, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:Ice talking-
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more once i get to comp + the bird gets hereIn post 327, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:In post 199, Heartless wrote:could vote wayward or tim. not liking beeboy posts from the salthydra
I mean more talking can you write a single line about each?In post 201, Heartless wrote:titus post is also bad
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I'm on the same wavelength with the Tim read.In post 199, Heartless wrote:could vote wayward or tim. not liking beeboy posts from the salthydra
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NotIn post 467, davesaz wrote:
Reason on Cephrir? And not on the same wavelength on the others?In post 468, Heartless wrote:
I'm on the same wavelength with the Tim read.In post 199, Heartless wrote:could vote wayward or tim. not liking beeboy posts from the salthydra
Also scumreading Cephrir.preciselyon the same wavelength. For Wayward, nothing really hit me as scummy and I'm simply not on that train of thought. For Salt Squad, I'm not thrilled with Beeboy's posting but it's mostly that I disagree with it, not that I find it particularly scummy. Further, I think the posting from the Cakez head is acceptable and makes enough sense.
On Tim, the scum read is mostly tonal based. Nothing they're saying istechnicallyuntrue, Molla likely did make a suboptimal play, but I think the aggression in Post 53 and Post 66 is slightly overwrought and they don't really feel appropriate as an immediate visceral reaction to Molla's claim. The fact that Antihero had the same feeling independently in his read-through gives me a little more confidence in my own intuition. (I'm also not a fan of the tone of Post 449, though I can't yet put my finger on exactly why.)
On Cephrir, I just think his overall posting is pretty craptacular. The occasional Nosferatu shots aren't very good and don't have any teeth. There's also his latest post on davesaz (Post 393) which gives me the distinct "pushing-but-not-really-pushing" feel that I think scum try to shoot for in multiballs.-
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considering this is a multiballIn post 578, Stormblade wrote:Heartless scumlean for 223 there's been multiple FA townreads and u pick out that one? i can respect the reasoning in 255 but it just feels like maybe scum trying to discredit town finding each other early.
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beeboy reads terrible per the norm
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yeah... spare me thisIn post 464, Cephrir wrote:<sad pumbaa>
in the umpteen faction thing mastin's got goin' here, townreads are going to be a little harder to come by so the whole "fhd;lksaf;dsafjdsa;lk shucks i wantz townreadz" rn is ... not happenin-
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dont be a shitlordIn post 579, Cephrir wrote:Oh right, you don't get me.-
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oh hey spiffeh, nice to see you againIn post 622, Salt Squad wrote:Heartless is null AF which is bizarre since I usually townread them quickly but their posts are mostly NAI.-
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yeah sorry i didnt obvtown myself in the fucking confirmation phaseIn post 628, dramonic wrote:Damn anti is BITTER tonight.
this is so fun to be greeted w when i get on here-
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dont be a smartass you know exactly what im talking about (jk9++)In post 648, Salt Squad wrote:oh hey there cheetory
or bbt from camn's apartment
"lolz omg anti's not obvtown in the first 24 hours SO SCUMZORZ HAHAHAHAH ALOLZ /SHITS PANTS"
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/will regret askingIn post 650, Titus wrote:I do have reservations of what Heartless has posted.
/but will ask anyway
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I would yell at you for misreading me, but thisIn post 627, copper223 wrote:if they are scum it should become clear pretty soon if you guys stop propping them up.istrue.-
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i love how you linked the posts so i could get to them really easilyIn post 665, Titus wrote:197 199 were the best examples of what irked me anti.
I liked 564 though.
You opened kinda throwing darts which makes it harder for me to feel good about you but you then picked up steam.
thanks-
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phone posting telegraphic initial impressions?
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Tell me more about that.
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So you're saying...In post 694, Klingoncelt wrote:I'll know more later on, but so far we haven't had Wake's Random Wall O' Bullshit, that's always a good sign.
Town House: Fuck you I'm not sorry.
Scum House: Could you go fuck yourself, please?
Sorry, what are you saying? What's the distinction?
I'm not townreading anything House has said so far and the Wake entrance pinged me a little with how softballed it seemed.-
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Spoiler:
"Immediate" was bad word choice, but my point was that it feels overaggressive for the conversation taking place.
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i think she thinks i wrote 564...?In post 701, Tim wrote:I'm probably the nth caller at this point for Titus to explain why she thinks TTH is tryharding
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i think the basic thing to what everyone's saying is "the post isn't antihero :effoting: because it's not antihero"...
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oh how generous of youIn post 763, Tim wrote:
Again, it's not like those posts (or my last) took place in a vacuum. Perceiving BBm to be willfully ignorant and then dismissive frustrated me. The posts that came before that that were part of the same conversation weren't particularly overaggressive, were they? It just doesn't seem like you took into account BBm's own tone and manner of his posts or thought of an alternative answer for "hmm, why would Tim escalate his tone here?" besides "scummy!". For the sake of completion if I perceive you to be misrepresenting me, the tone of my next post will be prone to be heightened above neutral (and honestly, I restrained myself last post)In post 715, Heartless wrote:Spoiler:
"Immediate" was bad word choice, but my point was that it feels overaggressive for the conversation taking place.
(This post does too, by the way.)
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like.... i think tth tried to put words to a tonal read and thats always hard to do
but for me, my first thought when going over the whole thing was "ok, molla said that and whats done is done" and when the conversation started escalating i though "maybe posturing...?"
but i have absolutely no baseline to compare that too so i already know it's a weak read
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ok, man.... i feel like i'm fixin' to have another hiplop situation...In post 798, Salt Squad wrote:I was immediately burned out when people saying that my game plan was a joke if you want me to be honest.
i'm not TRYING to be a dipshit even though i kind of am but that's b/c i AM a dipshit that's not you. but i will say, matter-of-factly, that i think your approach is very flawed and you are very likely to townread a fair amount of scum. i mean... you'll probably townread a lot of town (just by sheer probability, w/ or w/o the help of scum knowledge) and that's cool. but i think the methodology has flaws (even in single ball, probably exacerbated in multiball)
that's just my opinion, take it or leave it. i kinda' dont care. i dont rly have any interest in micromanaging you.
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lol, no that was actually me that said "dont be a shitlord" to you tim. sry, im a little protective + feelin' kinda shitty and taking it out on the thread. i take it back.
for me?In post 830, Tim wrote:Anti at what point did you think the conversation should have ended. Which Molla post?
prob after 52. that was the point i was thinking "uhhhhh... yeah he probably just didnt think it ALL the way through"
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...In post 845, copper223 wrote:
You both usually have pretty obvious reactions when scum and under preassure and that's what I was taking advantage of, you also know about it but from what I have seen you both can't really control it; this is how you would more likely react as town, which is a good thing for this game.In post 669, Heartless wrote:
I would yell at you for misreading me, but thisIn post 627, copper223 wrote:if they are scum it should become clear pretty soon if you guys stop propping them up.istrue.
I am also not a fan of the cephmeister, what pinged you in particular?
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as a side note i'm not scumreading ceph (cue the "hydra dissonance" whining, yeah bite my ass we'll work it out)
mostly b/c i know ceph well enough to know that being pointlessly argumentative isnt alignment indicative for him-
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caveat, i've thought that before (serum and steel) and ceph was townIn post 878, copper223 wrote:
This is true but trying to control the game-flow is and in my admittedly limited catch-up he gave me that impression when scoffing at reads, he is being destructive possibly cause that's not where he wants the game to go whereas when he is argumentative as town he wants to guide you to what he thinks is right.In post 868, Heartless wrote:as a side note i'm not scumreading ceph (cue the "hydra dissonance" whining, yeah bite my ass we'll work it out)
mostly b/c i know ceph well enough to know that being pointlessly argumentative isnt alignment indicative for him
for what it's worth-
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....In post 890, davesaz wrote:
Thoughts on anyone else?In post 878, copper223 wrote:
This is true but trying to control the game-flow is and in my admittedly limited catch-up he gave me that impression when scoffing at reads, he is being destructive possibly cause that's not where he wants the game to go whereas when he is argumentative as town he wants to guide you to what he thinks is right.In post 868, Heartless wrote:as a side note i'm not scumreading ceph (cue the "hydra dissonance" whining, yeah bite my ass we'll work it out)
mostly b/c i know ceph well enough to know that being pointlessly argumentative isnt alignment indicative for him
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it is?In post 895, copper223 wrote:The expedience wagon is promising
i'm kinda' missing whatever everyone else is seeing on that and tth didnt seem to catch anything there either
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nullIn post 900, rb wrote:@Heartless - 868 are you reading Ceph as Null or are you reading Ceph as Town?
right now i dont have any townreads
/blah blah blah it's great to townhunt, townblocks win games you should town hunt why dont you have any townreads what the fucks wrong w/ you blah blahbbkl;ajd;lkasjfd;lsajf;leajw;l3jwl;fjewa;jflk;ewajlf;kcdsamlkffj;lkdsajlkfdkjsafjdslka;jf;lkdsajflk;dsaf
whatever
bottom line: i think the most readable thing someone can do as town is post legitimate reads. which here... scum can also do. so until i get to the point where we have n number of flipped factions and i think "person x probably isn't scum WITH any of the flipped scum" i'm probably not going to have any real strong "townreads"
/aint multiball grand?
now, for practical and functional purposes, something i AM doing is adopting a mindset of "who do i not want to lynch IMMEDIATELY?" and ceph is in that group of people simply b/c regardless of what he actually is, he can be useful now-
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my thinking is that scum dont need to fake reads so they're probably not going toIn post 903, copper223 wrote:Expe is unusually flaily, whereas as town his posts are compact and minimalistic, he is spending far too much time justifying himself and appealing to other players instead of scum hunting, I don't understsnd his Luna read and the way he is pushing it seems fake.
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i'll leave the vote here
VOTE: wayward thinker
the entrance was really wishy-washy around the Post 30 region and most of the stuff around there is safe and setup specy. suzune leaning on rb for the whole "percentages" thing which i never read as SUPER SRS anyway is also meh and nothing awesome's come out of that slot so ... plop-
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i hate this postIn post 935, Almost50 wrote:Re-runs are always welcome
So you guys decided to beat the record of the # of posts in pregame? The funny thing is Dunn isn't even in this game!
Catching up is taking quite sometime even though I have obviously mostly skimmed up to this point. Only getting the gist of it all.
What I did notice thus far is:
1- Expedience is disliked by many for some reason that I have yet to research.
2- Cane + Able are being a nag.
3- BBMolla made some weird claim that I'm not buying.
4- Luna is probably on my side (not completely sure though)
5- Titus is probably town too.
6- I had foreseen trouble coming my way from the Stormblade trio before the pre-game phase, but I get the feeling we could be friends (I'd rather have confirmation on this from ABR though, bc I'm having trouble trusting Nahdia)
7- Other people I won't trust until I see evidence they're "on the good side" include dram (you fooled me once) & SirCakez (we should always start by assuming we're on opposing factions until proven otherwise )
8- Surprisingly enough I do NOT have a clear read on the FA+FB slot (Come on guys! Couldn't you have picked a longer username so that one enjoys typing an essay whenever addressing you??)
9- Finally, KC claims to be able to read me, so I'll let her decide on whether we should be friends of foes here.-
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congrats, you dont know who youre talking toIn post 1024, MathBlade wrote:Why are you voting WT over Expedience TTH? What makes them more scummy?
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ceph, ur reaction image is broken for me. i have to know what it was now.In post 1032, Cephrir wrote:snip-
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i am now very much in favor of turning a50 into a charred corpse, i'll see what the bird thinks of it
thats all for me now. catch you losers later.