Street Fighter Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Luna Fox]

Ok im here, and i see there's a bit less than 4 days remaining, can anyone tell me any quick summary of anything important?

[Luna Fox]

I see ranger has the largest ammount of votes, might as well start by ISOing there in the meantime

[Luna Fox]

So nothing strikes me as particularly town from Ranger in isolation, anyone got a condensed reasoning or something? im not sure ill be able to read all 80+ pages before deadline and im pretty sure my vote will be needed somewhere, but i need to verify that there's is some legitimacy to whatever reason she's being voted.

[Luna Fox]

Also noting for later other ppl with more than 1 vote: Titus, PereV, A50

[Luna Fox]

I could, but just sayin git's a CW and "it went fast" is hard to ascertain, i want to at least make a semi-informed vote rather than blindly sheeping, so i probably wont vote at least until tomorrow i want to give everyone enough time.
Links and quotes would help a lot btw.

[Luna Fox]

Yeah one of the things i noticed in Ranger's iso was that it was like 70% reads lists and 30% interaction (made up numbers).
I didnt look at timestamps.
Is there any clear indication that "lurking" is something that she would not do as town?
The "lack of pushing" is something i'd buy.

My hesitation is that i just came here and i have no idea who's actually abusing a situation to generate a ML or genuinely reading someone.

[Luna Fox]

(3) PeregrineV -- Nosferatu, Almost50, Nero Cain

(3) Titus -- Dunnstral, Fire Assassin, zakk

@Nero: You're scumreading both of these, but it picks my curoisity of why your vote is on PereV instead of Titus in this situation. Any strong reason why?

[Luna Fox]

FA maybe town.

[Luna Fox]

Your slot is also lurking until now. It's fair to say you're making more contribution now. Yet Ranger's lurking is abnormal.

Well considering it was a replacement, that'd be a fair assesment of it, but im here, and ill contribute as much as possible, ill just need some time to make some more informed reads.

[Luna Fox]

Well that's something that can be easily verified, if she's been inactive across all site, then that "lurking" statement becomes NAI.

[Luna Fox]

sometimes I don't think ppl on this site really know what lurking is. Like being busy or sick and not being able to get on is NOT lurking. Lurking is when you are on and dilibertly not posting.

hence why i put "lurking" as well as all other accusations in quotation marks, i still need to verify their veracity.

[Luna Fox]

Looks like i need to ISO PereV next. So i'll get to that.

P-Edit: on it

[Luna Fox]

PV's given no opinion on the whole game :/

He's given a few opinions, very... few..., and his posts is asking summaries and what not, is he even playing the game?
Ranger at least posted reads lists...

[Luna Fox]

I'm currently leaning on voting PereV tbh, but as i said before, i wanna hear everyone's story on the matter, and probably form a few reads from the ppl actually talking.

[Luna Fox]

Even if i believe ranger's scum, im not sure why would i vote ranger over pereV right now, who from my PoV has an even higher chance of flipping scum as of right now.

[Luna Fox]

Town aligned players don't post for 20 pages and refrain from pushing there top scum read.

So show mere where in PereV's iso has he done something different.
I understand Nero's concern.
I understand your reasoning.
I just don't see why Ranger should go before PereV in this specific scenario that im seeing.

[Luna Fox]

Oh hey someone new, i wanna hear your thoughts as well if possible please.

[Luna Fox]

So in summary, there were a bunch of wagons, but then they dissipated and congregated on Ranger?

[Luna Fox]

Also im not keen on your word connections, because it feels like you're operating on pre-flip associations. That was my impression at least.

[Luna Fox]

Not feeling towny vibes on TD, but Nero feels towny.

[Luna Fox]

So in summary, there were a bunch of wagons, but then they dissipated and congregated on Ranger?

no. The two wagons were Titus and PV and then I had a little 3 man bandwagon then we had a sudden Ranger wagon that got to l2 in like >1 hour

That does sound like a scum counterwagon to me.

[Luna Fox]

@Luna read Titus iso and tell me if you think she is town.

Uh what.
It's like reaction image central.

[Luna Fox]

beeboy maybe town.

I can't follow Titus ISO at all, so that was probably a bad idea, i'll probably need to read the whole game.

[Luna Fox]

but the whole scumteam is on Ranger I bet well -PV

From experience i'd find that hard to believe, majority of them, maybe, all of them, prolly not.

[Luna Fox]

(8) Ranger -- beeboy, Suzune, Dwlee99, Heat, SirCakez, Varsoon, TiphaineDeath, Titus

I just realized I don't have a problem with like 3 of these votes and one of them is mine lol.

And the others?

[Luna Fox]

UNVOTE:

Why can't Anti start getting scum reads so I can just sheep him. This whole thinking for myself thing isn't fun.

Welcome to Mafia.

[Luna Fox]

Also that post by beeboy looked very town.
Sounds frustrated he can't get any decent reads he's confident in.

[Luna Fox]

PV's given no opinion on the whole game :/

He's given a few opinions, very... few..., and his posts is asking summaries and what not, is he even playing the game?
Ranger at least posted reads lists...

Read lists are 50-75% of Rangers posts regardless of whether she's town or scum.

Ok so?

[Luna Fox]

I just believe in PV more.

Why?

[Luna Fox]

He's even more irrelevant. At least people have talked to Ranger. PV has literally not been spoken to, and he doesn't initiate conversation either. As far as relevancy is concerned, he isn't even playing the game. The only reason we know PV is here, is because people are scum reading him, and his name is in the player list and vote counts. If you argue that I'm asking for a policy lynch, I'm not; he reacted terribly to the Brian wagon, and clearly didn't want his name on any future VCA. Scum.

Oh i thought you meant that you believed in him being town, i agree with you about PereV
Nos can be town.

[Luna Fox]

For something like that there must have been something short of a cop (guilty?) or a scum slip, that is definetly not something i'd consider fast movement...

Scum might be aiming for a deadline scramble, how did the lynch go on D1?

[Luna Fox]

And here i thought the issue wasnt that Ranger was town, but that PereV was more likely scum, silly me i have been deceived by these scums!
Oh wait...

[Luna Fox]

It was a sarcasm post

[Luna Fox]

I think Titus totally misread Nero's post

[Luna Fox]

Oh hey i remember this zakk guy now, i dont think i properly apologized to you in that one game where i mislynched you.

[Luna Fox]

So from looking at the VC, and his posts, zakk is pro-Ranger lynch, but he's voting Titus, his vote hasn't changed since those posts (?)

Ok re-read again zakk mentioned the possibility of moving to Ranger.

[Luna Fox]

@Zakk, pretty sure we disagree on Somethings. You just haven't been here enough. Pretty sure I disagree with your current vote. Don't think that will hit scum.

...
I think you disagreeing with his current vote would be a given regardless of your alignment.

[Luna Fox]

Looking at DGB's ISO apparently she fake claimed masons with dunn? then she got NK'd.
I was trying to look at why DGB was night killed but this might strongly point towards Dunn being town.

[Luna Fox]

Or maybe i misread it? here are the relevant posts:

The fact that dunnstral seems to think I am scum makes me hope this is some pressure stunt or hemight actually be scum.

prove it~

who is this to?

He's town anyway

I'm liking Varsoon, he brings some literary panache to the game that makes me not care about his alignment.

He's town anyway

but why?

He's town anyway

but why?

We're masons

[Luna Fox]

She claimed day vig

Yeah and she also claimed to have lost that power by the end of her ISO, so i doubt that triggered anything.

[Luna Fox]

Maybe im just looking to deep into it u.u

[Luna Fox]

People say that is scum driven without saying who on the wagon is scum.
Weeeeeeeeeeee.

I think Nero has mentioned who's scum on the wagon multiple times, since they are his scumreads.

[Luna Fox]

(11) Brian Hollywood -- SirCakez, Heat, Prophylaxis, beeboy, DrippingGoofball, Ranger, Antihero, Nosferatu, Titus, Varsoon, Almost50

Looking at this im getting even MORE confused about why DGB was nightkilled, this pretty much reduces possible scum as i highly doubt this was a 100% town wagon.

[Luna Fox]

3-4 scum: within (Cakez, Heat, beeboy, Ranger, Anti, Nos, Titus, Varsoon A50)
Rest within: PV, TD, Dulee, Nero, FA, Dunn.

Removing townreads from that it'd be

(Cakez, Heat, Ranger, Titus, Varsoon, A50) At a 50% chance at least of flipping scum.
(PV, TD, Dulee, Dunn) At a 50% chance at most of flipping scum.

That is assuming that im correct about my reads.

[Luna Fox]

If scum was on that wagon they are in {Varsoon, Titus, Ranger and Cakez}

And the fact that 2 of those are voting Ranger doesnt bother you?

[Luna Fox]

Oh wait it's actually 3

[Luna Fox]

I'm getting there!
It's either her or PV imo.

[Luna Fox]

*as today's lynch

[Luna Fox]

(Cakez, Heat, Ranger, Titus, Varsoon, A50)

From these most are on Ranger's wagon.
Ranger's town guys, there is no way this happens if Ranger's scum.

[Luna Fox]

(PV, TD, Dulee, Dunn)

Now there's at least 1, possibly 2 scum in here.
I think Dunn's town specially if Titus flips scum.
That leaves (PV/TD/Dulee)

[Luna Fox]

Once again this is assuming im not townreading scum from the posts from earlier.
But if im wrong about someone being town that's maybe scum it's probably Nos.

P-Edit: Oh ok that's new info i should take into account.
Also i was supposed to include Anti somewhere in there, but if he's town it should be pretty easy for me to figure that out once he starts posting.

[Luna Fox]

Heat's neighborizer

Not necessarily a town role, did he claim in some super townie way or something?

Almost50 is the closest thing we have to a cop.

Ok A50 town.

Cakes has been obvtown since the start.

I think DGB seemed to agree here, i'd still wanna see his posts first tho.

[Luna Fox]

Is Heat's role compulsive?
If it's not i'd argue that it's more anti town to use it further.

[Luna Fox]

I'd argue that Hider's one of the strongest roles town can ever have. I usually don't like setup spec, but what the hell, PT cop + Hider and you guys arent questioning all that?
Unless anti's PT cop doesnt trigger on scum PT for balance (wouldn't be the first time i see something like that).

[Luna Fox]

Oh ok, so he's a nerfed hider, that makes more sense.

[Luna Fox]

I think Luna is town but my judgment might be clouded :I

What is with this wishy washyness :I

[Luna Fox]

Oh hey i remember this zakk guy now, i dont think i properly apologized to you in that one game where i mislynched you.

oh yea, molla's large normal? i barely remembered, i had to look it up

lol i was getting mislynched a LOT at that point though, so, it's all good.

but also, i haven't been mislynched at all this year so i'm trying to keep that record going

Yeah, but you said you wouldn't believe i'd apologize for a mislynch, so here i am fullfilling my promise

[Luna Fox]

Right. All the roles seem to work like a puzzle needing town unity to work together but not say much otherwise scum will pick them off.

Do you have any sort of mod meta that might hint to the roles working like this in other games?

I expect little to no bussing here.

I'm operating under this assumption as well when im analyzing the lynch and the wagons.

[Luna Fox]

Surprised titus hasnt commented on my poorly attempt at VCA and going "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG" or something like that

[Luna Fox]

By my logic, im townreading titus
so that means titus is scum.

Funny how reverse reading works.

[Luna Fox]

I need to hear more from Dulee! did Dulee claim anything? i already forgot, i need to start taking notes of this game.

[Luna Fox]

So starting again from zero
On the wagon (SirCakez, Heat, beeboy,

DrippingGoofball

, Ranger, Antihero, Nosferatu, Titus, Varsoon, Almost50)
Off the wagon (PeregrineV, Nero Cain TiphaineDeath,

Brian Hollywood

, Fire Assassin, Dunnstral)
Not Votng (TheWayItEnds, Kappy, Suzune)
I actually forgot the last 3 last time oops?

[Luna Fox]

On the wagon (SirCakez, Heat, beeboy, Ranger, Antihero, Nosferatu, Titus, Varsoon, Almost50)
Off the wagon (PeregrineV, Nero Cain TiphaineDeath, Fire Assassin, Dunnstral)
Not Votng (TheWayItEnds, Kappy, Suzune)

Peak of Ranger Wagon (beeboy, Suzune, Dwlee99, Heat, SirCakez, Varsoon, TiphaineDeath, Titus)

Common names on mislynch and ranger wagon (beeboy, Heat, Titus, Varsoon)

Coloring blue those that have claimed and are supposedly town:

On the wagon (SirCakez,

Heat

,

beeboy

, Ranger,

Antihero

, Nosferatu, Titus, Varsoon,

Almost50

)
Off the wagon (PeregrineV, Nero Cain TiphaineDeath, Fire Assassin, Dunnstral)
Not Votng (TheWayItEnds, Kappy, Suzune)

Peak of Ranger Wagon (

beeboy

, Suzune, Dwlee99,

Heat

, SirCakez, Varsoon, TiphaineDeath, Titus)

Common names on mislynch and ranger wagon (

beeboy

,

Heat

, Titus, Varsoon)

Which leads me to the highly likelihood of!
At least 1 scum in Titus/Varsoon.

This isn't even necessary with my own reads, but is taking into account claims, so take that as you will.

[Luna Fox]

If i can get better reads i can probably PoE the whole thing just from the voting positions on the Day 1 mislynch, but alas, nothing happens as one would wish.

[Luna Fox]

Luna your vca isn't making sense

There's at most All Scum-1 on any mislynch wagon.
There's at least 1 scum not on a mislynch wagon.

Do the math.

[Luna Fox]

Well i probably went a very roundabout way of doing it, but i wanted to make sure my reads were matching the most likely scenario for scum, so in a way, i wanted to feel more confident about my reads.

[Luna Fox]

Which leads me to the highly likelihood of!
At least 1 scum in Titus/Varsoon.

On a side note
This is true only if Ranger's town and all the claims are town.

[Luna Fox]

I never said scum wouldn't bus, i mentioned mislynch wagons specifically i.e assuming the person wagoned is town aligned.

[Luna Fox]

Well Ranger is not town so

No, my conclusion of ranger town comes from multiple points.

Disolution of wagons then springing of a seemingly low resistance wagon on Ranger.
Repeat names that were already on a mislynch wagon forming part of this.

[Luna Fox]

Well i guess 2, tho that it's still multiple ^_^;;

[Luna Fox]

Yes, dissolution of wagons pushed by scum...to wagon scum.

So tell me, what's the scum motivation of abandon ship on a supposed mislynch to bus a partner?

[Luna Fox]

They didn't.

The town got off the wagons pushed by scum.

I am thinking scum in

Ranger Nero FA Varsoon Dwlee Dunn

OH REALLY

(4) PeregrineV -- Nosferatu, Almost50, Heat, Nero Cain

(4) Titus -- Dwlee99, Dunnstral, Suzune, Fire Assassin

v

(8) Ranger -- beeboy, Suzune, Dwlee99, Heat, SirCakez, Varsoon, TiphaineDeath, Titus

According to you the first 2 wagons were being pushed by Scum Nero Dwlee and FA, correct?
Then a wagon materialized on Ranger where the only common name is... Dwlee.
So where did this supposed scum decide to jump on to bus? Dwlee? Varsoon who came from nowhere but didnt vote on PereV or you?.

I'm failing to see how this is a busing act.

[Luna Fox]

You seem awfully certian that PereV is town in that statement.

[Luna Fox]

Yes. I am awfully certain of that given Nero's behaviour towards me, PV, and Ranger.

Nero is protecting his buddy and praying that you'll want to lynch me or PV instead. Nero scum plus the claims make this really broken.

Why cant you be wrong?
Why cant he be wrong?

You seem to be missing a bunch of variables in there.

[Luna Fox]

Well i should probably sleep too.
Hope I can hear more from more ppl tomorrow.
I'll think it over with my pillow, but so far im still leaning Ranger town based on how BS that wagon springing was.

[Luna Fox]

@Ranger: Do you think Scum!beeboy Tracker reveals that TD self-targeted?

[Luna Fox]

Huh i was sure i posted that Ranger's posts were town to me, maybe i dreamed it?
I do wanna hear more about the beeboy scumread.
@TD: Why suzune?

[Luna Fox]

Neither, it was Cakez:

my ranger townread is dead fyi, her lurking this much is a scumtell

[Luna Fox]

Nero's town if that shot is legit.

[Luna Fox]

Luna what fo you think of Dunn?

Solely un Dunn's posting possibly town.

[Luna Fox]

You know, one of the things i always believe in, is that if a mislynch happens, is the fault of the people that misread the slot that should've been town, not the lynchee.

[Luna Fox]

Nero: Are you townreading any of Ranger, Heat, Antihero, A50, beeboy?
Because if all 5 of those are town there's at least 1 scum between Titus/Varsoon.

[Luna Fox]

Nero: Are you townreading any of Ranger, Heat, Antihero, A50, beeboy?
Because if all 5 of those are town there's at least 1 scum between Titus/Varsoon.

Hmm I kind of wnt explanations on this.

I mentioned it in my post with the pretty colors, this is based on the D1 lynch and the peak time of Ranger's wagon. Four specific names appear on both, 2 of which if town shirnk the list to 2 suspects: Titus and Varsoon. I seriously wont believe that 4 ppl that mislynched Brian would be mislynching Ranger too (if town) and also be town.

[Luna Fox]

just hit back until you see colored votecounts and then dont bother reading because they involve colored votecounts.

They arent just colored vote counts, i did some work getting that information and reaching a conclusion, the least you could do is at least read it and comment on it even if you disagree with the conclusion.

[Luna Fox]

youre right.

reading VCA is literally the least useful thing i could do.

I really want to think this is a scum post... i really want to!
But you're not the first person that has discredited VCA just because it's VCA, it's something I deal with everytime i use it, and it's more frustrating than anything.

[Luna Fox]

if you want to make that assumption and then treat it as fact with no reasoning behind it and then base your reads on that.

i think that sounds like a great idea and everyone should do it.

My reads result comes from a multitud of assumptions that everyone should evaluate with their own reads.
It's not asking for blind sheeping.
But you'd know that if you had read it.

Heck if i was blindly sheeping my own reasoning i'd be voting one of Titus/Varsoon right now, but i can't because i don't have enough information, and i probably wont have it for a few day phases.

[Luna Fox]

Nero: Are you townreading any of Ranger, Heat, Antihero, A50, beeboy?
Because if all 5 of those are town there's at least 1 scum between Titus/Varsoon.

k well if this is your conclusion.

what it says is "i think at least 1 of these 7 people is scum"

which, really.

i dont know why i ever doubted VCA before.

That's not it exactly, but im not going to go into further debate because.
1) It's not helping me figure out your alignment and i doubt it's helping you figure out mine.
2) You obviously dont care.

[Luna Fox]

itt: scum abandons the Ranger mislynch wagon

this might not be the right thing to do but but

Dayvig:PV

shot doesn't end the day

vote:td

gross vote

that being said, if the shot is legit and PV flips scum I might be willing to sheep you on Titus today

If PV is scum, Nero got rid of a useless buddy to mislynch me. Town Nero shoots me.

I don't see how this correlates, while yeah i agree that'd it would have been better to shoot you, Nero shoot a player whose alignment was in question and his lack of participation wasn't helping his cause, while in your case, you're still posting and providing content, Nero's shot on PV was town if legit regardless of what alignment PV flips.

[Luna Fox]

you think.

that nero.

if scum.

shoots a buddy.

so that he can mislynch you?

instead of just shooting you?

^
This is probably town.

[Luna Fox]

He faked a vig

That hasnt been proven fake yet, has it.

[Luna Fox]

And if you think he's "directing discussion away from Ranger" couldnt i accuse you of also "directing discussion towards Nero"?
If you dont want discussion on Ranger to die, then why dont you continue discussing Ranger instead of focusing on the shot?

[Luna Fox]

I think Titus is town is being very confbiased.

[Luna Fox]

Like this is beyond level of what in terms of actually reading Nero.

[Luna Fox]

If Nero does X he's scum because Y
If Nero doesnt do X he's scum because Z
If Nero does A, he's scum because B.

Like literally, that's all i've seen you in your mentions of Nero.

[Luna Fox]

Do you townread Ranger based on their own play?

At first i didnt, but i liked the post that appeared while i was sleeping.

[Luna Fox]

I am correct AND confbiased.

Let's assume you're correct.
Showing confirmation bias is more likely to make ppl to ignore you and your points.

So, i don't see how this helps you at all as either alignment.

[Luna Fox]

Look. Nero is scum because he's treating me like scum Nero treats me.

Hard to prove or verify

He's scum because he's defending Ranger without saying Ranger is town.

Is there anything to say that he does this only as scum? Is Ranger's alignment relevant on this, and if yes, why are you auto assuming Ranger's X alignment based on this?

Nero is scum because he didn't shoot me or ask for a claim before his likely fake shot.

Maybe about not asking for a claim, but scum for not shooting you? that's really bizarre.

Nero is scum for his personal push on me and a lurker push on PV but refusal to lynch lurker Ranger when PV always lurks early game.

He explained his reasoning for preferring PV over Ranger, Ranger self-metas that she can lurk as either alignment specially for ppl considering it a scumtell, You say PV always lurks.
As of right now i dont have the time to confirm either of those 2, but Nero's been very through in his explanation of why he prefers a PV lynch, so i'm not sure why that should garner a scumread.

[Luna Fox]

@luna-I am full of myself, read my massive ISO and talk about me

kill:Brian Hollywood

So much what?

[Luna Fox]

Well im getting tired so im taking a nap.
If I forgot to finish looking at Nero's ISO please remind me.

[Luna Fox]

*If i forget

[Luna Fox]

Also my post was he's already proven to not posses a dayvig, so im kinda suspicious of anyone that has been with him since then and not calling out on that, but I will check that out later.

[Luna Fox]

anti, who do you want dead after PV flips.

if scum, cake
if town, zakk

I don't know why if town zakk.

But i'd be down for a PV lynch if the shot is not legit.

Vote: PV

[Luna Fox]

rn I could see Suzune/zakk/Luna/Nosferatu/PV being a scumteam. They're all scumreads, little interaction with each other, etc

This post sux.
It's kinda hard to inetract with people that arent here, and i did give Nos a slight townread, i dont even know how the heck you're pulling a scumread there, he'd lean null at worst.

[Luna Fox]

Nos has 66 posts, that's enough to get a read from

I can get a read from less than that, if it's not enough to get a read from how come YOU have a scumread on him?

[Luna Fox]

Oh i misread oops?
Well either way i do have a read on him, if you said "that's enough to get a read from" then i understand that post even less

[Luna Fox]

TD probs town, sorry Nero i disagree with your read there.

[Luna Fox]

Oh i misread oops?
Well either way i do have a read on him, if you said "that's enough to get a read from" then i understand that post even less

this makes no sense
You said "how did you get a read on him, he's not here much"
I said "he has 66 posts which is enough for me to read"

you say that makes no sense

????

Oh, when i meant ppl that arent here i meant Suzune, PV (well rip), zakk (who the only time he was here he acknowledged that he wasnt going to be around).
And i gave a read on Nos.
So.

[Luna Fox]

Vote: Cakez

[Luna Fox]

Mafia Neighborhood Spy.

This confirms heat as town.

I can't agree more.

[Luna Fox]

Gonna go back to my VCA, now that we have an actual scumflip

[Luna Fox]

Inb4 TWIE gets mad, but even if he does idc, im excited now

[Luna Fox]

Off the wagon (

PeregrineV

, Nero Cain TiphaineDeath, Fire Assassin, Dunnstral)
Not Votng (TheWayItEnds, Kappy, Suzune)

TD, FA, Dunn, Nero > These slots are town.

[Luna Fox]

did PV ever vote on D2? lemme see.

[Luna Fox]

(2) Almost50 -- PeregrineV, Antihero

I doubt this was busing, A50 is almost certainly town.

[Luna Fox]

Titus/Varsoon/Cakez/(1 of TWIE, Zakk Suzune)
OR
(1 of Titus/Varsoon)/Cakez/(2 of TWIE, Zakk, Suzune)

This is where im currently at.

[Luna Fox]

(2) Almost50 -- PeregrineV, Antihero

I doubt this was busing, A50 is almost certainly town.

LOL There's 2 votes out of like 10 needed, nevermind bussing that's just vote parking

Yeah i derped, i was just looking for where PV was voting didnt take in mind the ammount of votes, sorry got too excited.

[Luna Fox]

he flipped spy, which is a traitor variant iirc :/

You dont know what a neighborhood spy is? i find that hard to believe.

[Luna Fox]

Firstly, I hate you guys since I wanted to save all my shots for later but PV was hard as fuck to lynch.

Sorry, but i wanted to hear from more ppl before commiting to a vote, specially coz i hadn't read.

[Luna Fox]

Titus tomorrow

[Luna Fox]

Or Titus today is fine by me too.
It just baffles me how Cakez can have a scumread on me without actually reading my posts.

[Luna Fox]

Your comments about Nos make no sense and look like a buddy defense

You clearly haven't read my posts then.

[Luna Fox]

rn I could see Suzune/zakk/Luna/Nosferatu/PV being a scumteam. They're all scumreads, little interaction with each other, etc

^
This is the post i mean.
This clearly shows he hasnt read anything i've said, nor anything that has happened. Yet somehow im a scumread.

[Luna Fox]

TD probs town, sorry Nero i disagree with your read there.

I have a very hard time seeing him as town that has me as 1 of his top town reads, gets paranoid on me 'cause I didn't think he was the scum of the earth for not wanting to lynch a claimed tracker, joins and sits on my wagon and then says "oh I never wanted you lynched anyways" and then joins the Ranger wagon 'cause he thought Titus and I were scum. Unless we go with Fire's explanation that he's just a moron.

Eh sorry, the post i mentioned this in looked like frustrated town eagerly awaiting a flip to start doing his "connection" analysis, i was reading the tone of the post basically.

[Luna Fox]

Also PV flipping scum makes TD way more likely town, due to them both being off wagon on D1 mislynch.

[Luna Fox]

One thing i do admit, as much as i think Cakes is scum, i think Titus is scummier. I joined on Cakez simply coz it was the largest wagon of my scumreads but i would much more rather lynch Titus today.

[Luna Fox]

Luna, I think the "VCA" is junk.

Well everyone's entitled to their opinion ^_^
I operate by getting townreads and PoE but since we had little time i thought it'd be faster by trying to use some VCA to clear some ppl.

[Luna Fox]

I already explained this, the previous person in your slot was scummy AF

Well i can't do anything about that, read me, independently from my predecessor, come to a conclusion, compare then to your conclusion on my predecessor, even if we get the same role, we're still different people, and if that role would be scum, certain patterns would show, since it's not, im fairly sure you wont find those patterns, setting yourself just because of my predecessor is taking the easy way out, which is also scummy.

[Luna Fox]

Look at it from my PoV
I'm town.
X person doesnt want to read me because my predecessor was scummy in their PoV.
How should i not believe that X person is Scum trying to look for reasons to ML me, and the easiest way to do it is to read someone that cannot respond anymore to anything they say?

[Luna Fox]

And I have looked at your posts and yours are scummy too, I've already talked about this

Ok now we're talking, what's scummy about my posts.

[Luna Fox]

Remind me why you think there was only one scum off the wagon?

I think there was 1 scum off the wagon but elsewhere, and 1 scum in Not Voting.
There's def. no more than 4 scum in the wagon.

[Luna Fox]

2144 from Nos, whereas he explains why he prefers to Lynch PV over Ranger, specially now given what we know that PV flipped scum, why wouldnt scum Nos jump onto Ranger? This is def. a town mindset.

[Luna Fox]

in short 2144 resonated with me in his reasons of why he'd lynch PV, so it garnered a townread. But ok let's not ask questions and instead accuse ppl of reads making no sense, because we're not reading anything that's happening.

[Luna Fox]

TINFOIL THEORY

All of Anti, Beeboy and Luna didn't vote PV 'cause they didn't want PV lynched but "voted" him after my shot 'cause it was safe

Nah i had already expressed desire to vote PV, i also commented multiple times that i wanted to wait until everyone posted before commiting to a vote.

[Luna Fox]

TBF, you said you'd vote either PV or Titus.

Yes.
And im still open on Titus.

[Luna Fox]

Remind me why you think there was only one scum off the wagon?

I think there was 1 scum off the wagon but elsewhere, and 1 scum in Not Voting.

ok but why?

I have a hard time explaining why.
I just one day decided to use DGB's scumputer from the wiki and went from there, there is a certain pattern in scum voting, but it's not 100% guarantee. I just figured it's on the wiki, then it might be true. The main algorythm im operating as is at most: All Scum-1 on any Wagon that hits town. To do a full assesment i'd have to go with more math like % chance of receiving scum role PM, confirmed flipped towns and scum and what not.

Also i like this wagon too

Vote: Varsoon

[Luna Fox]

actually
1) DGB had god tier reads
2) I had trash tier reads
3) Anti is scum
4) Scum are like me and think Trackers suck
5) DGB was a fear kill.
6) Scum thought DGB was a mason.

pedit: good vote luna.

I was trying to do NKA earlier due to this tbh.

[Luna Fox]

So DGB was killed over me.
That means either Anti is scum fake claiming, DGB had god tier reads or my day 1 reads where horrible.

Hmm
Not entirely out of the realm of possibilty specially with a Neighborhood spy.
Anti has a very clear town game tho, unfortunately since i wasnt here D1 it's hard for me to assess such a thing easily.

[Luna Fox]

Yeah, I'm not gonna wanna put up with Titus' bullshit the rest of the game so pls kill me mafia or sk.

I don't think there's an SK, specially with you having a dayvig and there only being 1 death overnight.

[Luna Fox]

anti is basicly sitting here and doing nothing.

If this is true.
He's scum, like 98% chance.

[Luna Fox]

I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW!

Well i know everyone most likely knows a lot of stuff i dont know.

[Luna Fox]

Still pretty sure there was a slip there.

???

[Luna Fox]

With what i know, i'm not sure if anti's capable of such a stunt as scum.
Anti's barely even able to anything other than prod-dodging as scum.

[Luna Fox]

I haven't seen Anti as scum but I really don't believe in this Anti only prod dodges as scum meta.

Do you want links?
I have an extensive library, tell me how many games you want.

[Luna Fox]

Or that's what i would like to say, it may be possible that anti's overcome his issue as scum, but i still haven't seen it happen on a solo game. I'll hold to my beliefs.

[Luna Fox]

Also i forgot to comment on this since i read it while i was on phone wifi but:

@Dunn I think he's scum of some flavor, whether that's group scum or a 3rd party it doesn't really matter to me. I think the Varsoon wagon is PV all over again.


I think there are enough town

Ranger
Almost
me
Beeboy
Heat
TWIE
maybe Titus but should be gone before lylo...I'm waffling hard here though.
FA
Nos

that we could just town bloc it and kill everything. I'll make a reads list tomorrow and I want you guys to follow it.

Another possibility is that Anti is scum and scum decided to have him claim PT checker so he could clear his buddies. He's not really doing anything. Like I know that sometimes town lurk and be useless to hide their PR but he's already outted so I'm not sure why he's sitting like a bump on a log.

I actually dont mind this at all, if im going out via PoE that's fine, i guess i haven't towned it up enough, but i do have one request if it comes to that...
If im going to be sacrificing my "never been mislynched" as town record for this, then you better win this game or im gonna be mad, and i rarely get mad.

[Luna Fox]

Dw anti i believe in you ^_^

[Luna Fox]

I haven't seen Anti as scum but I really don't believe in this Anti only prod dodges as scum meta.

Do you want links?
I have an extensive library, tell me how many games you want.

Anti's prod dodge play is incredibly well known so it isn't something I expect him to do every game.

You'd do well to understand that SOME PEOPLE have trouble overcoming certain weaknesses.
It's not that anti doesnt want to do that every scum game, it's that it's hard for him to avoid falling into it, regardless of how well known it is.

[Luna Fox]

Regardless, arent we like low on time? shouldn't we be starting to compromise?

[Luna Fox]

This is currently where i'm at

Luna's foxy reads list v1.0

Strong town:

Nero Cain
Antihero
Ranger

Towny:

beeboy
Fire Assassin
TheWayItEnds
TiphaineDeath
Heat
Nosferatu
Dunnstral

Town only because of claim:

Almost50

Leftovers:

SirCakez
Suzune
Dwlee99
zakk
Varsoon
Titus

[Luna Fox]

I wish i could move more ppl to "Strong Town" category, but this is the most i could come up with with what little time we have.

[Luna Fox]

Actually yeah, heat should be strong town.

[Luna Fox]

Luna's foxy reads list v1.01

Strong town:

Nero Cain
Antihero
Ranger
Heat

Towny:

beeboy
Fire Assassin
TheWayItEnds
TiphaineDeath
Nosferatu
Dunnstral

Town only because of claim:

Almost50

Leftovers:

SirCakez
Suzune
Dwlee99
zakk
Varsoon
Titus

[Luna Fox]

Strong town means im 99% they're town
Towny means im townreading them but im not convinced 100%
If i had more strong town i'd be fairly confident to just strognarm on all leftovers, but im still fairly confident all scum are there.

[Luna Fox]

Now i expect Varsoon to come here and discredit my whole reads list because its getting close to PoE and PoE isnt playing mafia yada yada yada

[Luna Fox]

Vote: Titus

[Luna Fox]

meh

unvote

that's pretty important as a town role and if she blocks townies it'll be pretty easy to spot

don't really have anyone else i wanna kill though

vote: Dunnstral

for the time being... people should join me here, it's a good wagon.

this post is atrocious and if titus scumflips we 100% go here

she didn't even give flavor

^
Agreed

[Luna Fox]

I don't know much about flavor ^_^;; can anyone confirm if that makes sense?

[Luna Fox]

Uhh knowing how he looks doesnt tell me anything about him being a JK or not ^^;;

[Luna Fox]

I mean it is one thing to be scum and thinking your claim will save you.
But i dont see a Town PR just coming in claiming and saying that we will lose the game instead of... idk, giving reads and targets without the need of being prompted?

[Luna Fox]

What worries me is it's the only protective style claim we have so far, and im not sure how it combines with A50 being a nerfed hider.

[Luna Fox]

So basically, your role is entirely anti-town.
Unless the whole purpose of your role is to block scum targeting scum or protect roles that dont target.

[Luna Fox]

Hmm so let's see
If no NK, whoever Titus blocked = Town, because Titus can't block NK, as it's usually targeting town (unless a vig)

[Luna Fox]

Figuring this out is giving me a headache >.<

Anyone got any ideas?

[Luna Fox]

As for you Fire, I will explain where I documented all my reads later.in detail. With posts. Tomorrow.

Do you realize we have a lil less than 2 days remaining n_n;;

[Luna Fox]

Well see:

Leftovers:
SirCakez
Suzune
Dwlee99
zakk
Varsoon
Titus

If my reads are OP, it means that all scum are here anyway.
Meaning that even if Titus is scum, then giving her a few days wont hurt that much coz she'd still be part of the PoE.
The elephant in the room is if my reads are wrong

[Luna Fox]

Luna you have Ranger in your top tier town tho because of wagon speed. (unless you have some other reason)

Counterwagon to flipped scum (PV)

[Luna Fox]

Besides, they are my reads, it's not like you guys NEED to sheep them, but if we're PoEing already whether Titus dies today or later is irrelevant imo, UNLESS there's not enough leftovers in general reads for PoE.

[Luna Fox]

UNLESS there's not enough leftovers in general reads for PoE.

or rather i mean too many leftovers.

[Luna Fox]

Do i want to take the risk? Yes, 4/6 odds is great or 3/5~4/5 with left over Titus if needed.
But if 3 of my leftovers flip town then it's the part where i'd go "Well crap"

[Luna Fox]

I don't think I was even Titus' top scum read and she jailkept me?

If she jailkept you and she had you as scum.
I'd be very very very concerned about her alignment because it's literally useless for her to attempt to stop a NK executer.

[Luna Fox]

@luna I don't think you are really that scummy. I'm just wary that TD would push a me/you team and then try to get me lynched. It looked like bus buddy/vote towny.

I wont lynch you ever.
TD is townreading you after the shot.
And this paranoia is townie, even tho you're already at the top of my townreads.
Chill, we got scum caught in PoE ^_^

[Luna Fox]

But yeah thinking back on her jailing nero and the fact that she fails if her target targets town.
It's easier to see if she's full of BS or not, im gonna ISO Titus again, even tho i'll have to wade through tons of memes.

[Luna Fox]

As of 820 Nero null.
No more indication of a Nero read before N1.

[Luna Fox]

but I think my paranoia of TD is justified but I wouldn't trust you to agree b/c a TD scum flip points to you as scum.

Is it because im townreading TD? ^_^;;

[Luna Fox]

NO! TD was pushing US as a scum team yet NULL reading your slot. I don't think this is hard to understand.

Oh I guess i missed that.

[Luna Fox]

In my defense, it's something that is entirely out of my control, and i wont blame you if you drive a lynch on me for that reason, even tho i'd ask you to reconsider that kind of stance.

Don't think it'll ever come to that point however.

[Luna Fox]

Don't think it'll ever come to that point however.

^
As i said.

[Luna Fox]

I fail to target Almost if he hits town.

Red Flag.
Why would the mod confirm Almost50's role to you?

[Luna Fox]

I fail to target Almost if he hits town.

Red Flag.
Why would the mod confirm Almost50's role to you?

He did not. I asked if A50's role existed, what would the interaction be.

But you already know that answer, you know NAR, you know what he claimed.
It's like asking
"Hey mod, if i target a role that acts as a hider when they are targetting town but doesnt do anything when they are targeting scum would my ability fail?"
That's like a "Well duh" type of question i seriously cannot believe you actually had to ask that (and i dont even know why you had to ask that)

[Luna Fox]

and EVEN IF, you did ask that, your "misunderstanding" makes less sense.
Sorry you're scum, go die ^_^

[Luna Fox]

If you thought it was a duh question, why did you wonder how our roles interacted.

Because of your first claim.
And i never wondered how your role interacted with A50's role, i wondered how your role interacted with other players, it's obvious a hider is higher on NAR so you wont catch them.
I fail to see how you ask a question specific to A50 while knowing NAR, and even if you did, i fail to see how you misunderstand it in such a way since you specifically asked about A50.

[Luna Fox]

I was also PV's counter.

So how does a JK counter a Neighborhood Spy.

I'm all ears.

[Luna Fox]

Oh wait i misread, dont mind me!

[Luna Fox]

I was also PV's counter. That only matters when clearing lurker scum though doesn't it?

Hmm i dunno?
You and PV seemed to be most equal in wagon size, then the Ranger wagon sprung up.
I'd argue that she was a CW to 2 scum.
Care to explain to me why you consider yourself a counter to PV?

[Luna Fox]

If you were town I don't see you jailkeeping me. I wasn't your biggest scumread and I had crumbed a PR d1.

I jailkept you to block you because you were scum crumbing vig which is like crying wolf.

I thought you had a null read on him?
at least that's what i saw on your ISO.

[Luna Fox]

You read both Dunn and FA as scum before N1, and Nero as Null.
Why Nero instead of those 2.

[Luna Fox]

If you were town I don't see you jailkeeping me. I wasn't your biggest scumread and I had crumbed a PR d1.

I jailkept you to block you because you were scum crumbing vig which is like crying wolf.

I thought you had a null read on him?
at least that's what i saw on your ISO.

I may not have updated at EoD but I was scumreading Nero.

Yeah how convenient.
So let's see, your last reads post was: 820
From there until EoD which Nero posts changed your read on him and why.

[Luna Fox]

Nero's avoidance of the Brian wagon I think. I don't keep paper notes much.

I just went through the posts since then.
Why is Nero standing out on that instead of someone like Dwlee who voted Nos before the hammer?

It seems to me like you're just creating reasons as you go.

[Luna Fox]

"Guys im good as scumz, if i was scumz i'd totally not be getting lynched"
Yeah no kill this.

[Luna Fox]

I even linked the post so it was easier for you to go and show me where your read changed.
You made a vague statement on why your read changed.
I went back and looked to verify the thought, and found another person "Avoiding" the wagon.
You say it was because you were townreading him.
Then you're calling me confbiased.
Then you gloat about your scum game.

How the hell am i supposed to think you're town?

[Luna Fox]

Calling me confbiased isnt helping.
If your read change was genuine, you'd be able to spot at least more or less where it changed and why, not keeping notes isn't an excuse, at least you should be able to remember by re-reading.

[Luna Fox]

So now you change your claim?

[Luna Fox]

I mean, what kind of gun would you need to crack that kind of a head.
Pretty sure the recoil must be intense

[Luna Fox]

Is there any flavor reason to think there'd be a second scum team?

[Luna Fox]

Well i've already read a bit of what happened D1, and im not happy with Suzune's play.
So no objections here.

[Luna Fox]

I'm reading in. It

could

just be standard boilerplate. (and its not the you win when all threats from the town are deaded") I'll full claim when I feel like it. Titus, if you aren't scum you deserve some type of anti-paragon award. I think your jail keep on me is crud and that whole thing about my role being normal is stupid.

Luna you never got around to finishing my iso

Oh yeah i forgot
I did say to remind me >.<

[Luna Fox]

I was scum.

[Luna Fox]

If that doesnt make Ranger conf town levels of town i dont know what will.

[Luna Fox]

beeboy pls

[Luna Fox]

No one's going to lynch ranger, specially after being a counter wagon to TWO scum wagons