Street Fighter Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Luna Fox]

Wohoo!~

[Luna Fox]

Which leads me to the highly likelihood of!
At least 1 scum in Titus/Varsoon.

Colored votecounts ftw

[Luna Fox]

Also moving Dwlee to townreads.

[Luna Fox]

SirCakez
Suzune
zakk
Varsoon

All remaining scum should be here if im not wrong somewhere.

[Luna Fox]

That reminds me, zakk's reaciton to Titus' claim was eww.

[Luna Fox]

because an SK, going out and shooting scum right in the middle of the day is something an SK would do.
That paints them a "Shoot me" mark to the scum team.

[Luna Fox]

I rather you be protected tbh, that would give us 2 lynches a day if you more shots, which should shirnk the PoE pool faster without risk of losing ppl on the super town spots.

[Luna Fox]

btw 2828 was full of sarcasm if that wasnt obvious.

[Luna Fox]

If we are worried about 3p scum can the doc target me cuz Tracker's sort of hard counter SKs.
I thought because of my role there wouldn't be an SK since tracker screws SK over pretty hard.

Usually if there's an SK and a tracker, the tracker's usually on the scumteam
From what i've seen at least.

[Luna Fox]

Do you guys put any stock into jackrito RVSing his buddy Titus and those two mainly pushing on each other the whole game?

who's jackrito?

[Luna Fox]

Oh Dunn.
Hmm idk i have a townread on Dunn anyway.

[Luna Fox]

Question i remember when i entered the game zakk was voting Titus and he only unvoted on claim, do you think this was busing?

[Luna Fox]

I know, but if it isnt busing then the scumteam is literally Suz, Varsoon, Cakez

[Luna Fox]

Possibly.
While i dont mind offing Suzune tomorrow, zakk gives me more scum vibes.

[Luna Fox]

What if Titus isn't scum and is trolling us?

Do you think Titus town complains about game balance to the mod when she's lynched?

[Luna Fox]

You guys don't get my genius in comedy do you?

Nope

[Luna Fox]

I mean, i've seen scum keep claiming they're town after being lynched.
But i've never seen town claim that they're scum after being lynched.

[Luna Fox]

but I mean, killing all of Kappy, Suzune, Varsoon and cakez should be GG

Yeah i came to the same conclusion.

[Luna Fox]

but I mean, killing all of Kappy, Suzune, Varsoon and cakez should be GG

Yeah i came to the same conclusion.

Assuming this is correct scum got owned

And if it is, scum must be getting a big morale blow right now.

[Luna Fox]

I know, but if it isnt busing then the scumteam is literally Suz, Varsoon, Cakez

this makes no sense, I was on Titus

Now that you mention it.
Titus wasn't in your supposed scumteam.

[Luna Fox]

Yeah but PV was in your supposed scumteam wasn't he?
Wouldn't that have strengthened your supposed scumteam? when did your read really change.

[Luna Fox]

If you talked about this already, can you please link me to the posts where you did btw. Coz i dont remember them atm

[Luna Fox]

Yeah i agree her reaction was terrible.

So what did her reaction change in your scumreads?
In your post you say you dont think she's with the other 5 because they are bigger scumreads to you.
But now that you know you're at least wrong on one of those, what are you re-evaluating?

[Luna Fox]

Suzune and zakk are definitely scum

I agree on zakk, Suz is more of a PoE because her ISO's not good enough and i havent seen her since i came in since she's V/LA.
What do you think of Varsoon?

[Luna Fox]

his lolhammer looked more like a bus to me but ok, it's not like we have too big of a PoE pool anyway.

[Luna Fox]

I don't think Varsoon is big on bussing iirc, but I could be wrong

Well my reasoning is.
Low on deadline time.
No one was buying Titus claim and she was digging herself deeper into the hole with my questioning.
Why wouldnt he bus at that point.

[Luna Fox]

That being said, Varsoon's being away overall, sooo yeah.

I agree about getting rid of Suz and/or zakk first.

[Luna Fox]

Funny thing, my PoE list was also part of that wagon.

[Luna Fox]

Minus Zakk i guess

[Luna Fox]

Would you lynch Beeboy if Varsoon flips team scum?

Maybe, i have a townread on him on his play, his obsession with Ranger is concerning me. As is his wanting to lynch Ranger over PV, and completely basing his Ranger read on Ranger scumreading him and "She wouldnt be scumreading me if she was town" kinda stuff.

Which is one of the reasons i have a hard time putting him as strong town.

[Luna Fox]

zakk = offwagon scum? The entire scumteam being together on one wagon would be really terrible play.

PV was off-wagon
Tho i wouldnt be surprised if there was 2 scum off wagon and scum were counting on my predecessor to jump in or something, or probably whoever joined in to just mindlessly sheep the largest wagon.

[Luna Fox]

Why am I suddenly not town anymore?

You're still a townread.
I just have a hard time elevating you to strong town for the reasons i mentioned.

[Luna Fox]

I'm not this shit as third party
I've won a game as a solo third party before

I really dislike comments like this, just a fyi.
They are NAI at best to me.

[Luna Fox]

Why am I suddenly not town anymore?

You're still a townread.
I just have a hard time elevating you to strong town for the reasons i mentioned.

You do realize I am not scum reading Ranger right now right?
Like if you read Ranger's total lurk sack play and can somehow think she deserves a town read when I was pushing her idk what to tell you.

I didn't
But i liked ranger's posts that were made after i was already rep'd in.
You kept calling her scum.
She was still CW to 2 flipped scum.
2 flipped scum that you were refusing to vote before.

You certainly can see why i have a hard time not seeing a possibility of you being scum?

[Luna Fox]

I was refusing to vote Titus and PV? That's neat info that is new to me considering I was scum reading both.

See this is immediately negated by:

I just wanted Ranger dead first ^_^

I can scumread my scum partners too and not vote them ever because im scumreading someone else more strongly.
I just refuse to believe you actually had a legit scumread on Ranger.
Besides why are you complaining when you aren't even a leftover? Don't want to be left on just "Townreads"?

[Luna Fox]

Seems so

[Luna Fox]

I was actually calling off my own Ranger wagon when it was at L-2 to try and lynch Titus I can find the post if you want.

Go ahead.

[Luna Fox]

I am the guilty child, you have to ignore me.

FTFY

[Luna Fox]

i was thinking of lynching zakk first because of his terrible reaction to the claim and that lolbus attempt in twilight.

But if Varsoon will give more info im down for that.

[Luna Fox]

I'll give you a little breathing room.
But you haven't done anything worthwhile noting while i was here, i did point out your votes on Titus from before and asked if that was possibly you busing, because if not, my PoE list would shrink even further.
As it stands, you're still part of my PoE list and that's because you haven't done anything that i consider towny, if you're town, this shouldn't matter because as long as im not townreading scum, this will easily win the game anyway.
I'll wait for you to post more content either way.

[Luna Fox]

So that's 2 nights without a 2x kill.
Nero are you really sure there's another killing role out there aside from yours.

[Luna Fox]

As of right now im down to killing any of Cakez, Suzune, zakk and Varsoon.

[Luna Fox]

So Varsoon, who do you think is scum right now.

[Luna Fox]

I think TD's trying to process flips to find scum was townie.
Antihero im still neutral on but leaning town, Cakez i'd def. lynch.
FA's defense of Ranger felt towny.

A bunch of others on my ISO, tho the weakest of my townreads right now is Nos, and im currently down to lynch the 4 i mentioned earlier.
Zakk because i haven't seen any content that looks like town, and imeddiately buying the Titus JK claim without discussion then pretending to "hammer" after she was already hammered.
You, because your hammer vote felt like you already knew she was going down anyway so it's easy to be a bus.
Cakez, because left overs from my other townreads, but if Nos is scum he might be town.
Suzune, because i havent seen any content from her due to V/LA so she's also a left over.

[Luna Fox]

Oh right, and so did Zakk.

[Luna Fox]

Uhh wait a second.
I just ISO'd the mod for votecounts and i dont see you voting Titus anywhere other than at the hammer.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Titus
Is this still happening
I skipped the last 5 pages

This is your only vote on Titus.

[Luna Fox]

So not only you're disassociating yourself from Titus, but you're also trying to convince me of 2 of my leftovers being town, and in addition you're lying or misremembering about your stances wrt Titus, why should i believe any of the words you're saying or that you're town for that matter?

[Luna Fox]

I'm gonna ISO Suzune ASAP and see if i can find said "reachouts" and "genuine posting". And if i dont, that wont be good news for Mr. Varsoon OR Suzune.

[Luna Fox]

@Heat, I am not yet ready to discuss that. It is at the moment a gut feeling, but I do not feel like there is an advantage to outing myself right now, because the possibility of both our roles existing in one game is not beyond the scope of believably to both be town, just I feel unlikely.

are you claiming neighborizer

No I am not.

Uhh...
Like what?

[Luna Fox]

I dont see anything townie in suzune's ISO tbh.

[Luna Fox]

tbh at this point i want to hear more from:
Suzune (one of my suspects who i havent interacted with yet due to her V/LA)
Nero (my strongest townread)
Ranger (Another super strong townread).

[Luna Fox]

But i'm leaning more on lynching Varsoon today.

[Luna Fox]

Throw yourself in a blender, fam.
Your playstyle is trash.

How about you actually read what i've done in this thread and see how i came to that conclusion instead of OMGUSing my scumread on you?

[Luna Fox]

titus was townreading you for *reasons*

yea, and then the moment she saw her buddying was failing she started scum reading me..

Where?

Somewhere along the lines of when she was getting lynched.

[Luna Fox]

I think his joy after discovering that Titus was scum felt genuine, but that's me, do you think it was possibly faked?

[Luna Fox]

LUNA! Why have you stopped telling me good things about me?!?

You're already very good! ^_^

Also who do you think the other scum is Cakez? zakk?

[Luna Fox]

Also if Varsoon flips group scum, im going all in on zakk and/or Suzune.

[Luna Fox]

Dwlee busses a lot so I think that could have been faked easily.

I'm all ears

[Luna Fox]

Can confirm:

[Luna Fox]

or Suzune gets off v/la tomorrow. Lets grill her.

thoughts on her full claiming?

I dont mind, i wanna hear what's this thing of her role and heat's role.

[Luna Fox]

I guess you're out of shots?

[Luna Fox]

i want suzune to fullclaim tbh

^
same

[Luna Fox]

AND I've claimed that my role PM's info makes this look a lot like there aren't multiple factions/SK involved.

Where did this happen?
Coz Nero was claiming the contrary

[Luna Fox]

i want suzune to fullclaim tbh

^
same

Why?

Remind me never to go V/LA or be inactive in a game of mafia again.
Apparently you need a post on every page for people not to treat you like trash.

Because she's in my PoE list AND she claimed something that supposedly can't coexist with Heat's but "maybe" can, AND PV's flip pretty much makes Heat conf town levels of town.

[Luna Fox]

I thought you read my ISO, Luna.

I never said i read your ISO.
I only CTRL+F'd for Titus votes.

[Luna Fox]

i dont think there's more killing roles, at least wont believe it until we have 2x kills on a Night.
That's 2 nights in a row without a 2x Kill.
3rd Party that doesnt kill however MAYBE.

[Luna Fox]

I just wanted to confirm if it was true that you voted Titus, because that's what you said.

[Luna Fox]

I have done a lot of this game See: Day 2

[Luna Fox]

Yeah, I got my games mixed up.

This is an acceptable explanation, why didnt you just say this instead of voting me?

[Luna Fox]

But, once again, I reiterate, why haven't you actually read my ISO if you're willing to vote for me?

I don't like reading ISOs unless to confirm that a certain something happened/didn't happen.
I read people better when im checking their posts in real time, you were part of the PoE list due to you barely saying anything D2 worth enough for me to make a read.
I'm currently trying to read you, still don't see anything town, but i certainly dont like you saying i havent done anything and voting me out of it.

[Luna Fox]

I do have reading problems sometimes, i dont think i did have one here.
I just remember finding your hammer on Titus feel like busing.
But again, im all ears on your side of the story.
I know Nero thinks you're scum, I know Nero doesnt want me to listen to you.
But it's not in me to not hear you out, which is what i've been trying to do all this time.

[Luna Fox]

Assume that i havent read anything from before the momment i replaced in (because i havent) except to confirm facts, or other things that people have pointed via ISOs.

[Luna Fox]

There's also the thing with Titus voting you.

Is anyone here 100% sure Titus would NEVER vote a scum mate? (Anyone other than Varsoon for obvious reasons)

[Luna Fox]

Look at Musical Mafia, Dwlee hard bussed his buddy Pied Pier until his death

I heard it made him obvscum too.
Do you see parallels about his vote on titus here and his play there?

I'll however take note that Dwlee can bus.

[Luna Fox]

beeboy - strong town

Well he's kinda mod confirmed town, ya know.

[Luna Fox]

titus was obviously not confirmed scum yet either.

She did claim scum however.

[Luna Fox]

Well regardless i was just poking fun at you including already dead people in your reads list.
Cakez suggesting Dwlee could be busing, on whom you dont have a read on.
What's your opinion?

[Luna Fox]

on whom you dont have a read on.

this Dwlee in case it wasnt obv

[Luna Fox]

The game was stagnant and languishing and Luna pretty much stepped in and galvanized it and sent us off in good directions, no scum motivation to do that. People were losing interest and getting frustrated so hard could have just let it coast to easy scum win.

Eh i dont think i did THAT much tbh ^_^
But im a very pro-active player i can admit that maybe my surge of activity gave people a fresh air of motivation, but if anyone needs any praise is Nero.

[Luna Fox]

zakk
Thing is, you cant actually prove you had those reads before the day end, so i will only take it with a grain of salt, talk to me about your other reads instead of gloating about your ammount of wins.

[Luna Fox]

luna, sup. whatchu wanna know.

Let's start with your scumreads.

[Luna Fox]

Anything you think is scum or town based on interactions or lack there of with flipped scum?

[Luna Fox]

Hi ranger! how are you

[Luna Fox]

was also getting a decent scum read on Ranger, forgot about that but it's here

Yeaaah about that.

Ranger was kinda being wagoned as a coutner to 2 flipped scum.

So you kinda need to reasses that.

[Luna Fox]

was also getting a decent scum read on Ranger, forgot about that but it's here

Yeaaah about that.

Ranger was kinda being wagoned as a coutner to 2 flipped scum.

So you kinda need to reasses that.

my read of him has absolutely nothing to do with the wagons going on at that moment

correlation does not imply causation

however, here's what we know: we have 2 flipped scum therefore we know we're accurate as a town

sooo, i pose to you this question: why

couldn't

we have had 3 scum run up?

This is literally the scummiest post in the game

Vote: zakk

[Luna Fox]

thats a strangely large amount of power in one slot for pure singleball isnt it?

or is that just me?

What is?
What slot?

[Luna Fox]

You're right.
Tho im not sure about mod meta, but someone said that Skull tends to overpower his scumteams?

[Luna Fox]

Unvote

I agree with 3165

[Luna Fox]

thoughts on having Zakk, Suzune, Cakez and Varsoon CLAIM?

Suzune needs to claim regardless due to the whole thing with Heat, she's already limited her options there.
zakk does need to claim because he's getting lynched.
Cakez and Varsoon sure i guess.

[Luna Fox]

Dying over a dayvig, a claimed Tracker a conftown levels of town neighborizer and a PT cop?

What kind of role do you even have that you would die over all this.

[Luna Fox]

Also LOL @Luna unvoting when she wasn't voting anyone!

3144

[Luna Fox]

cakez and Zakk full claim plox

[Luna Fox]

suzakksoon

lol'd

[Luna Fox]

"It takes seconds to read your role PM, but it takes a while to craft a fake claim"
Zakk is scum guys.

[Luna Fox]

That's concerning.
Scum had a Neighborhood Spy, but now there's a Masonry on top of that?
Tho that makes sense with what Suzune was mentioning.

[Luna Fox]

afaik Neighborhood =/= Masonry.
Anti's role is specifically PT cop, so i assume for PV to spy on the Masonry as well, he'd be a PT Spy not a Neighborhood Spy.
I'm guessing the reasoning for this is to keep the Masons hidden.

[Luna Fox]

So either Zakk/Suzune are both town or both scum.

I concur there.

Vote: Varsoon

[Luna Fox]

Titus also made a post about there being 2 hidden hoods so scum was aware?

Did she?
Why did scum not NK a Mason on N1 then.

[Luna Fox]

I don't want to track Anti because he is town. Just because he frustrated me doesn't change that.

You tracking Anti let's others know he is town.

Second, if Anti has an innocent, his results don't die with him.

We don't really know if Anti has an inno all we know is anti targeted someone if I target him.
If Dwlee taught us anything it is if claimed cops live for incredibly large amounts of time they are not town.

Well yeah if Anti has a guilty, he'd push it. Second, you really think there's two hidden hoods in the game?

You check Anti. Heat hoods Anti. Three person neighborhood that has the clears/guilties hidden from scum.

Uhh are you sure?
This post reads to me like she doesnt think there's 2 hidden hoods.

[Luna Fox]

Can we afford to potentially lose a Mason to confirm/condemn the other player?
That's basically what it all basically boils down to.

[Luna Fox]

My gut tells me we're missing something.

[Luna Fox]

My gut tells me we're missing something.

Td claimed to have self targeted

Well i knew that already ^_^;;

[Luna Fox]

We have daytalk.

^

[Luna Fox]

Funny how zakk is arrogant yet calls Ranger arrogant.

[Luna Fox]

If you're one of the "reasons her wagon never died" My questioning is one of the reasons she got hammered despite her fake claim, while your unvote didnt contribute much to that, much less to her wagon "not dying"

[Luna Fox]

And that's even a big if, her claims and target was scummy enough anyway, so i doubt my questioning actually did much to convince ppl.

[Luna Fox]

I mean, from my PoV if i was mason, i'd be townreading my mason partner since D1 in the off chance i get shot ppl can find the conf town.

[Luna Fox]

Here's another thing tho.
DGB fake claimed Masons, you say Titus knew possibility of a Masonry, DGB died N1.
You think these events correlate?

[Luna Fox]

Locker Room (name of our topic)

Are you sure you're allowed to disclose this.

[Luna Fox]

Hey i've mislynched zakk before, im aware he could have bad play, and that's one of my reservations.
Suzune's been V/LA ever since i came here so i havent been able to interact with her to get a proper read.

[Luna Fox]

Flavor?
P-Edit:

[Luna Fox]

Where were you when Titus claimed Ryu.

[Luna Fox]

Yes

[Luna Fox]

Unvote
Vote: Cakez

I'm not willing to lynch a survivor claim when we're ahead.

[Luna Fox]

I guess all that does check out.
Which is kinda sad coz that means you'll be lynched out of fear of siding with scum if it comes to it.

[Luna Fox]

WAIT GUYS WTF
TITUS CLAIMED RYU

She didnt flip Ryu tho

[Luna Fox]

WAIT GUYS WTF
TITUS CLAIMED RYU

She didnt flip Ryu tho

yes but that means he was a fakeclaim given to the scumteam
skull wouldn't give a fakeclaim that was an actual role in the game

In the end, Varsoon will undoubtedly be lynched regardless unless we win before we need to worry about him, soooo, he kinda already is on a death sentence timer if scum doesnt lose soon.

[Luna Fox]

but he's actual scum, not survivor (._. )

In which case his claim guarantees he'll be lynched at some point, so?
If he's actual survivor he has to cooperate with town now and help us find scum because he knows he'll be roped if we're nearing any position he could joint with scum.
And if he's scum, he just extended his life by a few days or a day, idk.

[Luna Fox]

I talk about our worsening standing in people's eyes
No response
Partner is basically AWOL at this point
I talk about claiming
I ask about claiming
No response

This kinda makes sense given Suzune is V/LA
I dont know how people keep missing that.

I saw multiple times on her ISO about she going on a trip.
It's not rocket science.

[Luna Fox]

no, Varsoon called me a sack of shit. We are killing that motherfucker

^_^;;
Uhh....

[Luna Fox]

I kinda also wanna wait for Suzune to get back, if you guys are Masons i want Suzune's opinion on stuff.

[Luna Fox]

Wait Nero why is ranger conftown???

Ugh

We went over this already, there were 2 wagons on scum, then suddenly there was a shift of momentum of +7 votes towards Ranger in about 3 hours, there's no way that's not a scum coutnerwagon.

[Luna Fox]

I'd like to contribute and help you guys, but at every corner, you cut me off with insulting remarks like that.

I'm not.
For me all your claim tells me is that if we dont win soon you need to die.
So now you have to play for team town, and gotta figure things out with the rest of us if you dont want that to happen.

[Luna Fox]

He doesnt think he's flipping scum aligned.
He thinks he's survivor playing for Team Scum.

[Luna Fox]

But if you had read his posts you'd know that.

[Luna Fox]

But if you had read his posts you'd know that.

Luna, you are being mean.
I thought we were friends.

Everyone's my friend ^_^
Sorry if you interpreted my posts as mean, but it was just a way to tell you, to just read Nero's posts and you'd get your answer.

[Luna Fox]

But yes, running the most complex game that's ever been run on this site coupled with all the IRL stress I've had has made me far less active and involved than I would have liked to be.
If that warrants a lynch, fuck it, run me through.

Make more posts like this and i might just do that
Or you can start solving the game.

Take your choice.

[Luna Fox]

Regardless im not lynching anyone until Suzune gets here and starts talking and trying to solve the game as well like a good Mason.

[Luna Fox]

To be fair all 4 of you were heavily suspect already, so you'd end up having to claim by being run up for a lynch. We just saved some time and the results are helping solve the game so i dont think we're in a worse position.

[Luna Fox]

I think i just remembered something, hold on

[Luna Fox]

I mean, lynching me is probably a good idea, yeah.

Is this the kind of post a Survivor makes?

[Luna Fox]

I appreciate your contribution Nos!
Glad that you're working so hard towards solving this game

[Luna Fox]

I appreciate your contribution Nos!
Glad that you're working so hard towards solving this game

You alright today luna?

Do you sense anything wrong? ^_^

[Luna Fox]

Do you sense anything wrong? ^_^

Yes, you are pretty passive aggressive on quite a few posts.
Want to talk about it?

Nah im ok now. ^_^
I just wish certain people would work harder u.u

[Luna Fox]

At times it feels like me and Nero are the only ones who care.

[Luna Fox]

Can we at least wait until Suzune comes back from V/LA.

[Luna Fox]

Can we at least wait until Suzune comes back from V/LA.

Of course we can, until then, mind if I hug you?

Of course i dont mind.

[Luna Fox]

Waiting for Suzune to get in here and say stuff.
Tho i might as well

Unvote

[Luna Fox]

But why would Titus claim Ryu if it wasn't a given fakeclaim? She still had a way out at that point.

Sooo let me explain it to you in normal words.

She didnt claim Ryu, she claimed Jailkeeper, she claimed Ryu out of pressure, when i asked who was Ryu she pointed "The guy in the first post".
Varsoon hammered because he knew she was lying coz she claimed Ryu.

What is there not to get.

I don't understand this "lynching Varsoon for claiming Ryu", I do understand if you guys want to "lynch Varsoon for claiming survivor" but the former looks like an stretch.

[Luna Fox]

what role from saga?

[Luna Fox]

~♪Maybe there's some merit in lynching him♪~

Still wanna wait for Suzune

[Luna Fox]

Yes, she panic claimed Ryu when we were pressing her for flavor, you were there at the time, you should remember.

[Luna Fox]

Oh Suzune's here, im happy now.

[Luna Fox]

Ask me your questions then Luna. You have been holding the topic for me.

First and foremost i want your reads.
So far at least you echo my thoughts of "Survivors can win with town, and Varsoon is now forced to play for Team Town or eat a lynch".
Who do you think is scum right now? Who do you want to lynch (out of them) today?

[Luna Fox]

Why don't you try to form a better read before end of day, ok?

You should be doing that before lynching *anyone* tbh

For once you say something i completely agree with.

[Luna Fox]

Can i play the guessing game too?

[Luna Fox]

Imma guess Antihero for N2!

[Luna Fox]

And i have no idea for N1 coz i entered in the middle of D2, and dont feel like going back and reading right now, but that answer was kinda obvious.
Anyway, still waiting on Suzune's reads list XD

[Luna Fox]

Well PV kinda flipped Scum Neighborhood Spy, so... that kinda makes Heat conftown unless you think scum need a spy on their own neighborizer.

[Luna Fox]

I think to get some sort of utility from A50, he should be neighborized.
If Heat dies, he still gets into the neighborhood from targeting scum and we get a conf scum, and if he doesnt then we get a conf town.

If not following any sort of plan, i dont think A50 should be targetting anyone due to the risk of 2x kill.

[Luna Fox]

i was wondering who the heck was death, then i realized TD has death in their name, i feel silly now, i thought i had missed a replacement or something XD

[Luna Fox]

thoughts on suzunes "catchup"?

don't like so far, but me not liking it doesn't mean scum.
Basically i dont see anything "townie" on her posts, and her sentiment or reason for not lynching Varsoon is something i had already mentioned before so meh.
I still don't understand why anyone's scumreading ranger at this point, and much less for reasons that are more of Ranger being Ranger than Ranger being scum.
I've had the opposite impression of TD's posts, at first, tho i haven't seen much contribution from TD lately.
How the heck can she not have a 100% townread on Heat.

That's more or less the gist of it.

[Luna Fox]

Varsoon is not groupscum with Titus imo.
Titus had no issues joining a wagon on him.

[Luna Fox]

Vote: Cakez

Ok i heard words from Suzune which is what i wanted, that... didnt really help me at all tbh, i was hoping for something that would give me a townread on her, but im still blank, ah well cant always get what i want.

[Luna Fox]

Suzune currently irrelevant because lynch should be between zakk/cake/vars today?

Where did this reasoning come from?
If you're willing to lynch zakk, you should be willing to lynch Suzune? they kinda have to be the same alignment you know.

[Luna Fox]

Or you could read my post, and realize i came to that conclusion due to VCA, and my other post is based on my own reads.

[Luna Fox]

Nos was arguing pro-PV lynch when i came in here and everyone wanted Ranger dead tho.

[Luna Fox]

Considering Ranger was at L-2 looks like it'd have been easier to cave in and lynch Ranger.

[Luna Fox]

Basically, I want you to shut up and stop being so flagrantly and aggressively wrong.

He has been right tho.

[Luna Fox]

Both PV and Titus are indications of this ♪
In addition he also said you were 3rd party and you were ♪

Soooo

[Luna Fox]

I'm trying to help you out by letting you know where you're wrong and defending the players I have strong town reads on while pushing the players I have good scumreads on.
If you don't value my voice at all, it really doesn't give me many tools to help you with and it bothers me--what the fuck do you want from my slot?

Ok why is Nos' trajectory more of scum buser than town reading correctly?
I'm asking coz Nos and TWIE are my weakest town reads right now.
Show me with quotes or post links and your own opinion.

[Luna Fox]

how do you do the music notes Luna?

Alt + (13) on numpad it's an Ascii code.
(to explain it simply, hold alt, press 1 then, press 3, then release alt)

[Luna Fox]

Suzune has stayed level-headed.

Uhh, i think Suzune's always level-headed ^_^;;

[Luna Fox]

But Luna says that Nero is always right, Cakez.

I didnt say he's always right.
I said he has been right so far and provided the most relevant examples.
Varsoon read better pls

[Luna Fox]

Basically, I want you to shut up and stop being so flagrantly and aggressively wrong.

He has been right tho.

"has been" =/= "is always"

Both PV and Titus are indications of this ♪
In addition he also said you were 3rd party and you were ♪

Soooo

Examples

Like seriously why do people like to twist my words all the time..

[Luna Fox]

Umm strong willed doesnt penetrate BP ^^;;

[Luna Fox]

He's been doing things...
I (We?) just dont agree with him.

[Luna Fox]

02 SirCakez
06 Fire Assassin*
07 Nosferatu*
09 TiphaineDeath
13 TheWayItEnds*
14 zakk
16 Antihero
00 Suzune (accidently erased)

ppl that are being difficult to read

You said he was being difficult to read.

[Luna Fox]

I don't really remember him doing anything, the only thing he kinda did was push on Nos but he has yet to explain why Nos is so scummy atleast I don't remember that.

He said his read trajectory from Nos to PV felt like busing, which is something i still have to verify.

[Luna Fox]

That's still him trying tho, so it's not necessarily him not contributing.
We just dont believe that is the case with Nos, and that's different.

[Luna Fox]

Oh another thing i was thinking.
You guys may want to dismember me for this but...

I think anti's scum.
He's been largely irrelevant and that's not something i associate with anti's town game, the PT cop can easily either exist for the scum team or be faked due to the neighborhood spy, and Titus' insistance on anti being included in the neighborhood gives him a lot of road to fake results, specially now with the Masons outed.

It's something i had in the back of my head that i hope im wrong about, but im going to be sleepless if i dont mention it.

[Luna Fox]

It's just that why would scum Titus propose this:

I don't want to track Anti because he is town. Just because he frustrated me doesn't change that.

You tracking Anti let's others know he is town.

Second, if Anti has an innocent, his results don't die with him.

We don't really know if Anti has an inno all we know is anti targeted someone if I target him.
If Dwlee taught us anything it is if claimed cops live for incredibly large amounts of time they are not town.

Well yeah if Anti has a guilty, he'd push it. Second, you really think there's two hidden hoods in the game?

You check Anti. Heat hoods Anti. Three person neighborhood that has the clears/guilties hidden from scum.

If Anti's town.
That would be like stabbing herself in the back, since Anti becomes a lot like an Alignment Cop.
And beeboy died the night were he was supposed to track Anti? (Well beeboy was claimed Tracker so he had a high chance of dying regardless).

It's just giving me a bad feeling, and this may the thing i felt we were missing earlier.

[Luna Fox]

He said he posted it in the hood.

[Luna Fox]

I did read it.
Honestly i dont know how you can believe that Ranger gets 7 votes in a matter of 3 hours when there's 2 wagons on scum.
That's even quickier than the votes on Cakez yesterday.

[Luna Fox]

I do agree with not rushing the day however.
I feel like im townreading scum right now.

[Luna Fox]

Well at the height of the train it had these people on it:

(8) Ranger --

beeboy,

Suzune

, Dwlee99,

Heat

,

SirCakez,

Varsoon, TiphaineDeath,

Titus

There were three people who are confirmed town. One confirmed Scum. I'm on the train. Varsoon known for his ?Surviorness? is on the train. As well as death who does not impress.

Titus was trying to derail lynch on PV towards Ranger too.
Titus is known to never bus (someone in here said that and that's why Varsoon wasnt groupscum with her).

[Luna Fox]

Also heat's last wish was to have me in the neighborhood apparently.

[Luna Fox]

Just going to say that i strongly believe my conspirancy theories of anti scum now more than anything.
But I wanna give him time to convince me otherwise.

[Luna Fox]

It's just that why would scum Titus propose this:

I don't want to track Anti because he is town. Just because he frustrated me doesn't change that.

You tracking Anti let's others know he is town.

Second, if Anti has an innocent, his results don't die with him.

We don't really know if Anti has an inno all we know is anti targeted someone if I target him.
If Dwlee taught us anything it is if claimed cops live for incredibly large amounts of time they are not town.

Well yeah if Anti has a guilty, he'd push it. Second, you really think there's two hidden hoods in the game?

You check Anti. Heat hoods Anti. Three person neighborhood that has the clears/guilties hidden from scum.

If Anti's town.
That would be like stabbing herself in the back, since Anti becomes a lot like an Alignment Cop.
And beeboy died the night were he was supposed to track Anti? (Well beeboy was claimed Tracker so he had a high chance of dying regardless).

It's just giving me a bad feeling, and this may the thing i felt we were missing earlier.

Also heat's last wish was to have me in the neighborhood apparently.

[Luna Fox]

Like my nagging feeling was that maybe anti was more proactive in the hood, but if anything his contribution there is zero.

[Luna Fox]

Like my nagging feeling was that maybe anti was more proactive in the hood, but if anything his contribution there is zero.

You think Anti might be scum? More of a watcher then an active participant?

The thing is i dont associate Anti town with watcher.
He has a good track record of not doing anything and getting heavily demotivated when he rolls scum.

Now about my conspirancy theory is that Anti may be faking being a PT cop, which was pretty easy to do with the neighborhood Spy, hence the guilty on beeboy, did he ever mention he was suspecting beeboy of being scum D1? (self-reminder to check), And now that he's in the hood he has even bigger grounds to fake results, not to mention now that the masons are outed he's less likely to get caught in a lie.
To top it off, why would scum Titus suggest Town Anti PT Cop getting added to the hood if that way he functions like an alignment cop.

[Luna Fox]

Nero could you please comment on my Anti scum theories.

[Luna Fox]

And then we have A50 not even bothering reading the second half of my post

[Luna Fox]

To top it off, why would scum Titus suggest Town Anti PT Cop getting added to the hood if that way he functions like an alignment cop.

Scum had a spy, any read he gives in the hood the scum would know so each time he confirms someone as town scum could just kill them. Also, town only has 3 claimed investigation roles so I'm rolling with Anti as town based on role until we know more about the setup.

The spy is already dead.

[Luna Fox]

Then why is Anti being like super quiet in the hood?

[Luna Fox]

And you're not even listening to a thing i say.

[Luna Fox]

Well i've never been mislynched as town, so if you want me dead please do shoot me.
Sorry for trying to solve the game
Or prevent a 2x townie kill.

[Luna Fox]

Nero, please do it, people aren't going to trust my reads until i flip it seems.

[Luna Fox]

I think he's referring to the part where vivors dont get any sort of compensation (usually) to achieve their win com. And Varsoon claimed BP.

[Luna Fox]

tbf i thought survivors got some sort of compensation, but i guess i was thinking of SKs.

[Luna Fox]

I thought the definition of scum is those that can't win together with town, or usually, win by killing town.

[Luna Fox]

So Nero, what are you waiting for.
Or do you want me to give some final reads or something.

[Luna Fox]

I'm not shooting you Luna.

But you have to, otherwise Mr Mason zakk wont shut up. And A50 is playing more for himself than for town.

[Luna Fox]

Well anyway short end of the story.
My townreads that are dissapearing:
Antihero
Nosferatu
Dwlee

While getting a scumread on Antihero at the same time.

[Luna Fox]

I guess TD townread is also dissapearing.

[Luna Fox]

Nero will single handedly sink the town though if it targets both mason...

This is what im thinking right now.
But not necessarily by wanting to lynch the Mason claims.
But refusing to see the possibility of anti scum because of his role, which is what he's been coasting by and not doing anything neither here nor in the hood.

[Luna Fox]

Currently you are one of my town reads, however it is a tad bias because we were thinking in the same direction and I enjoy having other people think with me and bounce ideas off of.

I do as well.

[Luna Fox]

They are solving the game, it's obvious at this point we're townreading scum and you're not seeing it.

[Luna Fox]

Nero will single handedly sink the town though if it targets both mason...

This is what im thinking right now.
But not necessarily by wanting to lynch the Mason claims.
But refusing to see the possibility of anti scum because of his role, which is what he's been coasting by and not doing anything neither here nor in the hood.

It is tough to lynch for role alone. However, I can understand this. As I mentioned in my long post, having two neighborhoods means the role is more likely to shoot the town in the foot then to hard the mafia. Therefore, unless used wisely, it because a negative utility and can be used to see scum everywhere. Which makes it a curious ability

Except im scumreading anti for his play not for the role.
Im just saying why the role doesnt make him town.

But ok fine, I get it's hard to lynch the closest thing we have to an alignment cop, but anti's scum meta is pretty strong, i'm not sure i'll believe his towniness anytime soon.