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You both usually have pretty obvious reactions when scum and under preassure and that's what I was taking advantage of, you also know about it but from what I have seen you both can't really control it; this is how you would more likely react as town, which is a good thing for this game.In post 669, Heartless wrote:
I would yell at you for misreading me, but thisIn post 627, copper223 wrote:if they are scum it should become clear pretty soon if you guys stop propping them up.istrue.
I am also not a fan of the cephmeister, what pinged you in particular?-
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This is true but trying to control the game-flow is and in my admittedly limited catch-up he gave me that impression when scoffing at reads, he is being destructive possibly cause that's not where he wants the game to go whereas when he is argumentative as town he wants to guide you to what he thinks is right.In post 868, Heartless wrote:as a side note i'm not scumreading ceph (cue the "hydra dissonance" whining, yeah bite my ass we'll work it out)
mostly b/c i know ceph well enough to know that being pointlessly argumentative isnt alignment indicative for him-
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Expe is unusually flaily, whereas as town his posts are compact and minimalistic, he is spending far too much time justifying himself and appealing to other players instead of scum hunting, I don't understsnd his Luna read and the way he is pushing it seems fake.In post 897, Heartless wrote:
it is?In post 895, copper223 wrote:The expedience wagon is promising
i'm kinda' missing whatever everyone else is seeing on that and tth didnt seem to catch anything there either
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This is very concerning, you received a bunch of unjustified town or leave alone reads so I had to tell them to stoo the prop. up, I explained why that shouldn't be a big deal even if it showed what I was up to cause you both can't control your dislike for scum that much, I should know, I badgered TTH in shaman for the whole game to get her out of her scum lurk mode with little success and I like to think I am a good motivator.In post 2107, Heartless wrote:
in retrospect, his entrance where he came after us and then how he backed off kinda gives me a smokescreen feel nowIn post 2098, Titus wrote:@anti, that's my sole concern on this wagon. Why copper?
like... if ur gonna go balls deep and give a detail like "3 alarm bells" then why would you call the react test so soon? not to mention he sort of telegraphed it in his "dont prop them up" post
Now where is TTH and why are you putting out feelers for a copper wagon based on this stuff you likely know doesn't hold water are the questions in my mind, could be I called the test too early for real after all, you did tell me Aneninen was scum the last time after all.-
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This is a pretty embarassing read if true.In post 2112, Titus wrote:
I'll have to look at copper in more detail. My biggest concern is that I don't remember anything that Copper has done. That gives him a we didn't playtest this feel rather than his town games.In post 2107, Heartless wrote:
in retrospect, his entrance where he came after us and then how he backed off kinda gives me a smokescreen feel nowIn post 2098, Titus wrote:@anti, that's my sole concern on this wagon. Why copper?
like... if ur gonna go balls deep and give a detail like "3 alarm bells" then why would you call the react test so soon? not to mention he sort of telegraphed it in his "dont prop them up" post
idk
If you went there, I wouldn't be angry as I am not townreading him, but we also have a very shiny wagon here.
I feel conflicted. I want to lead a wagon full of obvtown on obvscum. Yet, I'm ok with being just a member.
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I told you once already, his posting style and frequency are different from his usual town game and I have a town-read on Luna. I changed my mind when he said that if she had claimed she had slipped in her claimed PT he was changing his mind, I noted the same "ocam logical" approach in his town games and wrote it down for future reference if I need a town read from him as scum.In post 2130, Heartless wrote:
havent kept track but tth has been making maybe like half the posts...? so yeah she's here...In post 2121, copper223 wrote:This is very concerning, you received a bunch of unjustified town or leave alone reads so I had to tell them to stoo the prop. up, I explained why that shouldn't be a big deal even if it showed what I was up to cause you both can't control your dislike for scum that much, I should know, I badgered TTH in shaman for the whole game to get her out of her scum lurk mode with little success and I like to think I am a good motivator.
Now where is TTH and why are you putting out feelers for a copper wagon based on this stuff you likely know doesn't hold water are the questions in my mind, could be I called the test too early for real after all, you did tell me Aneninen was scum the last time after all.
if ur referring to something specific in jk9++ chances are i do not remember what it
another thing: what about the expedience wagon interested you?
Maybe 1/4 of the posts is what it looks like to me.-
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Once I changed my mind about his alignment I wanted to have a closer look at those voting for him, I've been skimming posts from players that are new or mostly unreadable to me to try and play despite the technical limitations and given the eagerness of some of the players to post. It still is a work in progress.-
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The things the voters are looking at are often different depending on their alignment and it'easier to see when you ideally know or in this case suspect they are wrong.In post 2158, Heartless wrote:
but... how does that fit in w/ multiball?In post 2152, copper223 wrote:Once I changed my mind about his alignment I wanted to have a closer look at those voting for him, I've been skimming posts from players that are new or mostly unreadable to me to try and play despite the technical limitations and given the eagerness of some of the players to post. It still is a work in progress.
as in how do you think that's particularly helpful information here?-
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Wagon composition without flips means squat.
Read that ISO again please Firebringer and look at the reasons given for his votes, his unnecessary aggression on one side and his excuse piling on the other, only the part where Kuroi replies to Anti about liking scum over town I find mildly genuine and if that's the case he just said he is not someone we want to entrust our late game to anyway.-
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Whatever works for you, I don't want to argue about scum hunting theory as it just clogs the thread and doesn't lead to players magically changing their minds in 99% of the cases anyway, since I think you are more likely town than not: please judge his content as well in isolation as well as your macro picture of the game.In post 2247, dramonic wrote:wagon composition is hardly irrelevant copper. This isn't a VCA
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@FA
Don't worry about your english, it's great for someone that is self thought and you should only be praised for it instead of having to apologize.
I think all the premises are there so that we can go back to having a nice game.
Toog"s strategy has merit but it is also something he would say as scum, I wouldn't mind a few more days to read up on a pc.-
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Just based on the reasons given fir his votes I have a hard time seeing kuroi as town, esoecially paired eith his indignant tone when he writes them, and that after hecsaid he was lost since there are so many players... it feels off to me. Scum can be inept or they aren't really into the game or ..., in fact that's almost the only kind of scum you can lynch d1.-
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This is all nonsense and shaman was a month ago at most, the tone is also way off like when you accused cephrir compared to town TTH, basically you are scum claiming here... can't we get a game where we are of the same alignment...In post 2361, Heartless wrote:
VOTE: copper223In post 2121, copper223 wrote:
This is very concerning, you received a bunch of unjustified town or leave alone reads so I had to tell them to stoo the prop. up, I explained why that shouldn't be a big deal even if it showed what I was up to cause you both can't control your dislike for scum that much, I should know, I badgered TTH in shaman for the whole game to get her out of her scum lurk mode with little success and I like to think I am a good motivator.In post 2107, Heartless wrote:
in retrospect, his entrance where he came after us and then how he backed off kinda gives me a smokescreen feel nowIn post 2098, Titus wrote:@anti, that's my sole concern on this wagon. Why copper?
like... if ur gonna go balls deep and give a detail like "3 alarm bells" then why would you call the react test so soon? not to mention he sort of telegraphed it in his "dont prop them up" post
Now where is TTH and why are you putting out feelers for a copper wagon based on this stuff you likely know doesn't hold water are the questions in my mind, could be I called the test too early for real after all, you did tell me Aneninen was scum the last time after all.
I hate this response.
I hate that it wasrightas he was brought up. I hate the shot he took at my activity when I've been pretty steadily active here. I hate the random call back to a scum game that happened years ago without explanation for why it's relevant here.
VOTE: Heartless-
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That's not how I play and we shall see if I can get you out of the game as fast as possible (I am sure you'd aporeciate), I have a good shot.
Your argument is not only bad, it doesn't make sense for you to think along those lines as you started with a vote on me and what is that going to accomplish?-
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Fine let's not waste extra time and once again I have to waste my life cause some of you really should be playing a different game, I am in the same PT with I could strangle you Luna, Heartless is scum, RAM is town and shouldn't be allowed outside of rome, Titus I don't care to defend as she has been so bad in my games she might as well be scum by default. Cephrir also basically scum claimed.
Heartless is dead regardless.-
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@ceph
Yeah too bad I was a significant help in one (where you played better) by helping town nail scum D1 and I outright won the other by lynching gatokaka as a tree stump at lylo, you forho to use your ability...
I win as scum by reaching lylo and beating town, this claim just put a clock on my head and I would never consider it.-
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In case you don't remember since you claim lack of attention, read back the end of D1 of TTH's first large as mod.In post 2464, Cephrir wrote:If you're going to keep calling me scum for ever suspecting you while I'm trying to interact and work on my read then that just makes me feel like you want me to stop interacting with you because you're scum.
I am not calling you scum all the time, instead I am taking said time to phone post the obvious back to you.-
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The only time I ever consider early claiming is as town when I think I can trade with scum, never done it as scum on any day let alone at the start of the game, done it as town twice one of which you recently played in. Tomorrow I will flip and hopefully this will help you in another game, of course maybe not.In post 2472, Cephrir wrote:
what are you talking about? i legitimately dont understand what you're saying here. why would no one believe you're a neighbor in lyloIn post 2465, copper223 wrote:Because nobody would believe my claim and thus my alignment if I reached lylo now... also I think I have never reached d3(?) as town anyway other than when I was unkillable.-
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A game Luna and Cephrir should do well to read.In post 2490, Heartless wrote:i mean...
the only reason i could think hes town is the toxicity leaking out in his conversation with ceph is kinda sorta reminiscent of jk9++?
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That's the wrong jk9 then, my bad, 1 sec.In post 2525, Luna Fox wrote:CultivationTheoryTellTaleHeart
Unless the mod missed something, or im missing something, eh i guess i'll just look through the players on the activity list.-
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I will try explaining once again:
1. TTH has a history as a hardcore lurker as scum, Antihero also lurks but in the heartless hydra and in multiball situations, probably also when motivated by helping TTH out, it is not as easy to see as some of you think.
2. TTH is still not posting and when I asked him where she is, he called it a cheap shot and started the wagon on me (after throwing feelers out first, which I also find scummy).
Now that the claim is making others hesitate he switched to damage control, telling me that it may be that my posts are coming off garbled due to phone posting.
His case on me btw was that I fake reaction tested him as a smoke screen to seem active, nobody that has played with me or seen my scum games would find low posting activity scum indicative, I am always one of the top posters as both alignments (ergo my posting activity comes from irl related issues).
I also want to dispell the notion that I have been super active only in the PT, the difference is how much time I have to spend reading posts on the main thread while on the phone and how much I am free the talk town reads and setup spec there as opposed to here.-
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I have a history with Titus getting everything wrong so that's my first instinct when she comes up with them but in her usual posting style that makes me think town, it may have been a premature read but I did not say omg never lynch Titus so...
I explained in detail why I found expe worth investigating and now that you know I am in a PT with Luna where she claim slipped you can add that to why she is obv. town and why expe's nonsensical push made me think he was scum.
Incidentally I partially changed my mind when he showed he was willing to reassess (it has come to mind that he may have needed to bail on that push as well, his posting style is still different), if my motives aren't transparent there idk...
I was reaction testing heartless and I needed the pressure to be there and that's why I said to stop giving away town reads, that did not make me town or scum read them, Anti did not shut down which seemed more likely town thsn not at the time hence I checked other players and Kuroi's posting is scummy, there was no "hop".-
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Insanity, 1710 I wanted to lynch scum Ness, scum Root and absolute town lurker Algae, you spent your day hard tunnelling town Thor to the point you sacked your JK role to try and get the cred for a lynch and happily got yourself killed, you also hard defended scum Ness/Root for the whole day, that is a good game?In post 2694, Titus wrote:
Really? The discredit is powerful. Newbie 1710 I had all but two reads solved accurately by day 1. Try me again. You also don't have the history to say that I am immune to learning. You never once have ever raised that issue ever before.In post 2689, copper223 wrote:It is a BS read Titus threw out to support Anti's case, either cause they are buddies or cause Titus really has no clue what she is doing as has always been the case when I've played with her, and like LLD said she also seems immune to learning.
I've meanwhile played with anti and TTH a whole fuckton. If I didn't think mislynching you might throw the game into an unrecoverable tailspin, I would be voting you.
I have played 3 games with you, I don't make rash judgments but more and more I am losing respect for your ability to read players, what you are good at is getting people lynched (mostly town) and conf biasing about the times you were right apparently.-
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Heartless is scum, beg forgiveness after the game if you are not one of their buddies.
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I never pushed Nahdia in that game, I called her town on page 2 and immediately supported her dumb BP claim, I claimed Root slipped, which he did, you tried to convince me charl was town, Algae lurked for the whole of D1 and much like Kuroi here is a good lynch regardless, as Thor says he has the same chances as any if not more to be scum and we are getting rid of a lylo liability anyway. By all means folks read 1710 and tell me whose reads you would rather follow.
We agree on Kuroi (which BTW is making me sus I am wrong), the other players I am going to check again on a PC are WT and expe.-
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Titus is asking why/claiming I am discrediting her, that is why it is relevant Luna.In post 2709, Luna Fox wrote:Umm guys...
Meta arguments are fine and all, but...
I think you're going a bit over the top discussing another game ^_^;;-
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I am going to make a giant case on the pc this week end and if once again nobody cares I'll look for the next likely.In post 2769, Expedience wrote:
Vote them then.In post 2762, copper223 wrote:K RAM is also a good lynch.
Heartless is not going to be lynched even if you think they're scum because too many people are townreading them.-
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What does this mean?In post 2806, Expedience wrote:Also I skimmed her ISO in BLOODBORNE MAFIA and she had good tone, so there goes the only reservation I had about the slot.-
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Math is right about the 5 factions, that is obviously the case and RB gets scum points for trying to cast doubt on it.
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So you are saying she has good tone as scum?
What I am getting is that rude Kling is more likely to be town Kling, that is likely what she means about Titus lying about her meta.-
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