Mass Effect Mafia - [Game Over]

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Hey guys, will get to this in a couple of hours.

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Jesus christ you guys have been spamming, this could take a while. I think I understand the setup now though.

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Caught up, need a break now. Was a bit difficult to focus on everyone, but in short:

I trust Varsoon and I will definitely not be voting on him today and I also believe beeboy's claim.
I think Nahdia and ckd are both town (well aligned with humans at least).

Don't like Nos, Hebichan and TTH.

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In the mean time I rolecop'ed him and he's a messenger, he can have the mod forward a message to another player.

Well, I can confirm this is true.

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@Mathblade,

Dwlee isn't confirmed since he didn't actually reveal your role, unless I missed something?

All he said was that you were innocent and you claim your role wouldn't make sense as a scum role, but considering the setup of the game I'm not entirely sure what to make of that.

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With that said however I'm inclined to believe both of them are rolecops.

Not sure what their alignment is though, but I do trust DGB more than I trust Dwlee.

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VOTE: hebichan
Read the ISO. It's incredibly awkward and flipfloppy. There's a guilty on her as well, although you can't really trust anyone in this game.
The way I see it, we can get a 50/50 in dwlee and DGB, or we can get a 99/1 in hebichan.

-Mario

Indeed.
VOTE: Hebichan

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@Mathblade,

Dwlee isn't confirmed since he didn't actually reveal your role, unless I missed something?

All he said was that you were innocent and you claim your role wouldn't make sense as a scum role, but considering the setup of the game I'm not entirely sure what to make of that.

I am saying that is a true statement. My role makes 0% sense as scum. I'm confirming that.

I see.

Dwlee are you claiming human?

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Alright so both rolecops are claiming to be human.

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Dwlee, character claim plx

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So you get their role + alignment, correct?

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I should probably just stop lyin and be honest and say that I want mathblade dead cause Im a turian and theyre asari lol

Wat.

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Still suspicious of hebichan but there is no way we aren't lynching Dwlee today.

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(you should read the thread btw)

Really? I had 15 or so pages to catch up on but just caught Dwlee's post first.

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VOTE: Dwlee

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Sorry beefboy.

VOTE: Hebichan

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Except me of course, since I wasn't in the game at the time.

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What's up with zakk?

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That's interesting TTH. Until whoever the journal dude is claims I see no reason to believe him though.

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wat

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I agree with beefboy. Anon guy should just reveal himself if he is telling the truth.

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How about we just ignore the confirmed scum?

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What Varsoon, that was pretty much ny point. I do not believe him, but if he is really telling the truth he should reveal.

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I actually thought Nos was scum.

For now I think I'd like to join this.
VOTE: Zakk

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Hello, I.am here, I would have talked last day but the day ended before it even started while I was sleeping.

I was two days behind (start of day 2) but now I am caught up so cool stuff.

Cake, can I ask your flavour? Because synthesizing really doesn't sound human. Only the catalyst could do that in game and I found it extremely odd.

He claimed it was a joke.

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What's up with the journal message by the way? Safe to say whoever is doing it is most likely scum.

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heuristically_alone hasn't posted since day 1 by the way.

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- The vote in 1713 is interesting.

Care to explain why?

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Oh and I agree with that. I do not think the usage of "kill" instead of lynch is a scumslip.

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People Who I (Think We Should Lynch / Am Not Townreading):
PeregrineV
heuristically_alone
TellTaleHeart
Zakk
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Killthestory

VOTE: PeregrineV

This is a generally good compromise? I don't think Shiro is scum.

How dare you, I'm going to spam you this night.

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I'm still not townreading Zakk, but his train seems to have stopped.

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VOTE: TTH

Let's do this plx

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If you need help with reads, I can help you.

duppin is town.

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DGB and ckd stop questioning each other, I think both of you are town now join my town circle.

This setup is a bit weird, so I find it easier to just find town and then lynch everone else. Obviously I consider Turians and Asari town as well. That means Varsoon and beeboy can join. I also trust Mathblade.

I'd lynch everyone else at the moment.

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Well I'm not townreading her, I don't mind lynching her.

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Mhmsmith's entrance yesterday was so townie it isn't funny.
I suggest you read that.

beeboy and mhsmith confirmed asari buddies!1

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VOTE: Suzune

I'd honestly like to see where this goes. I'm still not townreading Suzune and FA_Q2's defense of her out of nowhere (by discrediting mhsmith's vote on her) has made me curious.

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I have 0 intent of voting Shiro.

Of course you won't vote your asari buddy.

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Skybird, did you claim human?

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Alright, well if he isn't asari let's lynch him. I don't believe you're human and I doubt he is the last turian, so gogo

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VOTE: Shiro

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Skybird, that sounds like a really strong role. What character do you claim?

Also @Varsoon, how about we don't. My role has already been revealed, you really think I'm scum? I'd probably have the weakest scum role in the game if that was the case (at least based on flips so far)

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Oh and FA_Q2 it simply doesn't matter, because I don't believe Shiro is human.

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Skybird, that sounds like a really strong role. What character do you claim?

Also @Varsoon, how about we don't. My role has already been revealed, you really think I'm scum? I'd probably have the weakest scum role in the game if that was the case (at least based on flips so far)

Ayyy you're gonna need to cook up a better defense than "Scum wouldn't have such a weak role."
Because that's a lame defense, man.

Defense? Against what? You weren't pushing me.

But yes I am questioning your position (and Suzune's as well). Is it possible I am scum? Well yeah obviously, but based on how the game has progressed + me being confirmed as a really weak role I'd say it should be unlikely as in it doesn't make much sense for me to be your topscum, unless you're just going for the lazy scumhunting by going for an inactive player, which I won't deny I have.

I've been busy sure, but it honestly mainly has to do with me being content with how the game has been progressing. I've only voted on scum so far and all of my reads have been correct (from what we know), this includes my town circle as well. That does not necessarily mean I am town no, but it does mean that my overall play has mostly been pro town, even though I haven't 'contributed' a lot, because I honestly haven't feel the need to yet since I think town has been going in the right direction. Today is obviously a bit different though.

But I am interested. If you think I am scum, what faction do you think I'd be? I'd also like you to answer this Suzune.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Skybird

Why won't you claim your character?

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Duppin Dots, what faction are you

Take a guess.

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So you think I bussed hebichan (I called her out before her slip)?

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SALARIANNNN

That might make sense yes, but don't you think I'd been more interested in lynching asari then?

VOTE: duppin

Don't be silly. You won't be able to pressure me, I have nothing else to say given my role has already been outed and I've already claimed who I want to lynch. You either lynch me or you don't, but I'd be a mislynch.

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Because I agree with Mathblade. It's going to be a WIFOM fest tomorrow:

a) She is scum and she comes up with false information -> We have no way of knowing if she is telling the truth. You claim she will get counterclaimed, but what makes you say that? Her watching ability only shows many players that visited a target, how are we supposed to counterclaim that unless someone knows how many visited them? It will ju

b) She is scum and gives the correct information -> Once again we can't verify. Even if she flips, we still won't know if the information was correct.

c) She is scum pretending to have been roleblocked -> We still don't know

d) She is town giving correct information -> We won't know until she flips.

e) She is town but is getting roleblocked -> We won't know until she flips.

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Skybird, please claim your character. It might not seem that important to you, but I really want to know.

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Because I agree with Mathblade. It's going to be a WIFOM fest tomorrow:

a) She is scum and she comes up with false information -> We have no way of knowing if she is telling the truth. You claim she will get counterclaimed, but what makes you say that? Her watching ability only shows many players that visited a target, how are we supposed to counterclaim that unless someone knows how many visited them? It will ju

b) She is scum and gives the correct information -> Once again we can't verify. Even if she flips, we still won't know if the information was correct.

c) She is scum pretending to have been roleblocked -> We still don't know

d) She is town giving correct information -> We won't know until she flips.

e) She is town but is getting roleblocked -> We won't know until she flips.

yeah, but wouldnt it have been nice to have that information THEN kill her.

oh well, I imagine you are still scum though.

And you'd be wrong.

And what information would we get from her being roleblocked? Nothing until she flips. For her to flip we need scum to either kill her or us to lynch her. Would you want to lynch her tomorrow if she has no information? What would happen if she were to flip town then? I think it's very risky to keep her around and I have absolutely no reasons to trust her at the moment so I do not wish to so do.

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Oh and if she wasn't roleblocked, we wouldn't know whether or not we could trust her information until she flipped and even in that case we would only be able to trust it if she were to flip town.

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Actually I'm just going to do a full claim.

The reason I wanted Skybird to claim character yesterday was because her role was really powerful and if she was fake, I could've seen her claim my character.

I am the illusive man and I'm a super weak role while Conrad Verner turned out to be a powerful role, so we probably can't trust characters too much.
In any case I thought that if she was fake she would probably have claimed a strong Mass Effect character (like TIM).

To address the sudden scumreads on me (pretty much starting yesterday), I felt they came out of nowhere which also made me consider possible deflection, but it didn't really make much sense considering I had a strong town read on CKD (which I had throughout the whole game) and Varsoon so it was rather frustrating they didn't trust me for no apparent reason at all.

The main "reason" people have given for scumreading me is not based on what I've done or what I've said, but only because they feel like I've been lurking. Frankly I can understand where this is coming from, because I haven't posted a lot.

I can however only point out what I've done this game and why you should realise I am town.
First of all I am a confirmed weak role - no that does not clear me, but based on the other scum roles we've seen so far I do still think this would be taken into consideration.
Other than that I've my reads have been pretty much spot on so far - I was wrong on Nos, as I thought he was scum, but other than that my townreads so far have been 100% correct (at least from the flipped ones).
Which also means that I've been hard aligning with town pretty much throughout the whole game. I had also only voted on scum until yesterday, where I voted on Skybird.

As for my lack of posts, I've given my opinion and tried to form a town circle, which I explained I thought was easier to do in this setup than go for actual scumreads.
When I'm content with the way is going, especially in a large game, I usually don't do too much. If I feel like town is going in the wrong direction, I will however.
So far we have only had one mislynch (while I've been in the game), so it's true that I haven't posted a shit ton of cotent. I have however still posted my reads and taken a hard stance in pretty much every dilemma.
(defended Varsoon etc).

VOTE: Suzune

I don't think you're town and I think you were the only scum voting on me yesterday.

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I mean I claimed my character and thus my alignment.

My full role has already been revealed. DGB checked me n1.

Yume should be site-banned and prevented from joining any more games.

In the mean time I rolecop'ed him and he's a messenger, he can have the mod forward a message to another player.

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Yes. Because if Party Boat is lying then we have two confirmed scum at end game.

And who's to say it wouldn't be too late then?

But meh, for now I'm willing to believe Party Boat. The check on Cake just seems a bit weird to me since the last time Nahdia mentioned him day 1 she was calling him town (had a scumread on him before).

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Shiro the problem I have with that logic is that if we begin lynching asari they have absolutely no reason to side with town and we might end up in the very same scenario you're trying to avoid.

The best way to force asari to side with town is by getting off the krogans. The asari are also a threat to the salarians, so we're probably going to lose a couple of asaris to kills as well. I personally don't think lynching them is the best way to go.

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getting rid of the krograns*

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Agreed, but we can at least try to narrow it down:

beeboy - Asari
Cake Effect - If Party Boat is telling the truth, then it's unlikely. Was also voting Hebi before her slip.
CKD - Well, possible but unlikely. (mostly based on read on him + his claim)
Duppin - Human. And well obv. not with hebichan in any case.
MathBlade - Asari.
mhsmith0 - Unlikely. Hebichan claimed he visited E&A n1 (she came up with 4 names), Skybird later confirmed 4 visits. Hebichan was most likely telling the truth. Unlikely 2 krogans visited same target n1.
ooba - confirmed town aligned.
Varsoon - Turian
Shiro - Very unlikely. Eager to lynch asari.

And well,
KTS - Unlikely I'd say. Hebichan pushed this slot, could've been distancing though. Uncertain.

That leaves:
FA_Q2 - Possible.
PeregrineV - Possible.
Suzune - Possible. Did claim to have interest in lynching asari earlier, but never followed up on it.
Zakk - Possible.
Party Boat - Possible.

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For what it is worth, my current town circle is:

beeboy, CKD, Mathblade, Varsoon and ooba.

That's at least 2 asari (possibly more) and 1 turian, which means there's at least 1 human (most likely 2) outside of it, which I haven't managed to find. I've wanted to put CKD in my town circle a couple of times but meh, can't.

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Actually, there's no way CKD is krogan. He is pretty much confirmed town at this point.

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So change it from unlikely to impossible.

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I've wanted to put CKD in my town circle a couple of times but meh, can't.

Cakes, not CKD.

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If I had to guess, I'd say the last two krogans are FA_Q2 and PeregrineV.

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God I'm spamming, but well

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VOTE: FA_Q2

I think you're krogan.

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After going through Party Boat's ISO I think it's unlikely he is krogan. If he is scum, he is most likely salarian but I'm not sure I believe that to be the case. I actually feel much better about his slot after ISO'ing him.

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I really didn't expect the wagon to grow so fast.

Anyway, since I started the train on FA_Q2 I think I should explain my reasoning.

First of all, PoE:

Please see #4176. I'm pretty confident in most of my reads, but I could be wrong on KTS, as it is possible they were just distancing. (like hebichan had a really weird unvote on KTS)

That left me with FA_Q2, PeregrineV, Suzune, Zakk and Party Boat. If I am to believe my own reads, that means there are two krogans in there.

Based on interactions, the most likely teams I can really see there are:

FA_Q2 + PV
Zakk + Suzune

Based on play, I thought FA_Q2 was the most suspicious. (attempted to discredit the HA's (I believe it was HA) on hebichan earlier). He also did the same thing when someone voted on PV, which was the only possible teammate in my list I could really see him be with, so it just lined up.

But I could be wrong obviously. I definitely need to reconsider KTS, as Hebichan's unvote was actually really weird. If KTS is Krogran, I can see him be with pretty much everyone to be honest.

FA_Q2 had a terrible reaction though, "wow wat a terrible wagon!1" and then voted on Mathblade, which is obviously not going to happen. I'd really like to hear his full claim.

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I also have a question for everyone else but the asari claims. Do you think the krogans could be fake claiming asari?

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DOC

Targets:
1: Beeboy
2: DGB
3: Mathblade
4: CKD
5: CKD
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Mathblade is driving humans to a loss and no one seems to give a damn.

I'd really like a full claim from you to be honest.

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But truth to be told I'm inclined to believe your claim unless you get counterclaimed.

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But truth to be told I'm inclined to believe your claim unless you get counterclaimed.

Doc+lightning rid = no kills last night makes a lot of sense tbh

Perhaps.

I'd like to hear your scumreads please.

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Take out me tho and who's the other partner ?

Sorry, not sure I understand. What other partner?

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mhsmith, stop asking questions and give me your scumreads please.

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@mhsmith, can you explain your read on FAQ2? I'd also like to know why you think Suzune is turian.

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Unless I missed a claim?

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Suzune claimed human though. (at least from what I remember).

As for FAQ2 I already explained why I voted on him.

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DOC

Targets:
1: Beeboy
2: DGB
3: Mathblade
4: CKD
5: CKD
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Mathblade is driving humans to a loss and no one seems to give a damn.

I'd really like a full claim from you to be honest.

Human.

Character? (probably doesn't matter, but I'm curious)

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I honestly really dislike the fact that FAQ2 posted without answering zakk's question. Why did you protect CKD N4?

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Don't. Let FAQ2 answer.

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Monday post, back later.

Really? This was your last post:

Back. Happy Monday. Will catch up over the next few days.

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Still fine with the Suzune wagon.

Would however also like to get this going,

VOTE: PeregrineV

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All of these are claims but I am too lazy to write claim a million times
Beeboy and I are Asari
Varsoon is Turian
Suzune is human
Shiro is human
Zakk is human
Your slot is human

Varsoon claimed lightning rod
I am outed as a cop who gets a guilty based on someone attempting to kill someone else previously in the game.

I hardclaimed human as well.

Also the reads on Suzune and KTS' slot are very weak.

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Yes, yes,
you may have my vote
VOTE: PV

What happened to "oh noes you are going to lose by letting mathblade lead town"?

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Part Boat I hope you're joking, there is absolutely no way I am krogan.

I'm okay with the players you listed Cake. I do think Shiro is most likely town though

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Well what about the fact that I was also voting on hebichan before she slipped then,

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Also if PV deserves so much death, why didn't you vote for him?

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How about Suzune, BBmolla, Party Boat and Shiro all just claim? In fact I'm not even sure Shiro needs to.

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Suzune obviously already claimed though.

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I can't help but feel you're just scared of getting counterclaimed but oh well.

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Oh and FYI mass claim should be abilities only not race

I actually disagree. By race claiming we know exactly where the scum are hiding. Please explain why you think claiming race is a bad idea. If you're an asari I fail to see why'd you care.

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Please don't hammer yet.

I'd really like a claim from BBMolla

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Because race claiming exposes the Asari to NKs. It is because I am Asari race claiming is bad.

And who cares? The krogans aren't going to kill you. The Salarian might kill you unless we end up lynching him today. Mass claiming is just going to make the game easier. You'll lose 1 asari at max and even that is rather unlikely, especially if you have a doctor which beeboy seems to imply.

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You proposed to lynch a human today, why? You realise that now you've lost an asari you are no longer controlling the day since turians are obviously going to side with humans at this point, so obviously it was never going to happen but so why would you risk losing the game? (by forcing humans to side with turians)

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@Cake, I just want a claim from BBMolla.

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As in you can hammer as soon as that has happened. Don't really need Mathblade to answer my quesiton. I believe they are asari and will treat them town, just didn't really like what they were trying to do.

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Why not claims first Duppin?

Because the only claim I'm interested in at the moment is BBmolla's, so for the love of god don't end the day before that happens please.

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I agree with massclaiming.

Also I claimed ages ago Zakk.

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CKD, since Party Boat claimed to you what do you think about his claim?

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Sure,

1.

Yume

* duppin* - the Illusive man, Human, Messenger
2. Beeboy - ???
3. Varsoon - ???
4.

killthestory

* BBMolla
5.

Bait

Zakk - Ashley Williams, Human, Doctor
6. Party Boat - ???
7. Cake Effect - ???
8.

Gendaberry

MathBlade - ???
9. Shiro* - ???
10. curiouskarmadog - Calatha Blake, Human, Best Friend
11.

Spiffeh

ooba* - ???

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further also multiple people including a confirmed town still have my claim soo I'd still rather not share mine.

If we are mass claiming, then you are 100% claiming.

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Then we have 4 human claims. CKD is confirmed, Zakk most likely telling the truth as well. Not entirely sure about KTS slot but it's possible.

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There is no fucking way that illusive man claim is real

But it is. I'm curious as to why you think it's fake.

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actually even if you do want literally every person to claim (which i still don't want) then i should still claim in-thread last since mine's already known to confirmed town

so nyaaah

No one cares. It sounds like you're scared of getting counterclaimed.

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You can think of me whatever you want, I'm pretty sure you realised yesterday how unlikely it is for me to be scum so you can think of me to be a really shit player if you want to. Fact is we have two remaining scum with NK's and massclaiming will help us find them quicker. We can also continue with whatever it is we are doing and just hope for the best, but it doesn't really seem to be working since we aren't getting new information and who knows if we are going to end up with another mislynch.

If you claimed human, then CKD knows for a fact there is a scum in you, me, BBMolla and Zakk. If CKD decides to push in this, then we know you've claimed human already so what is the point of not revealing your alignment? Unlike Mathblade, I care less about your role and more about your race.

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Ooba is confirmed to be town aligned though.

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So yes, I think you need to commit to a claim yes. As I just said I'm more interested in your race than your role.

The fact that you've claimed to a confirmed town doesn't mean anything at this point. For all we know, you could've claimed something that counters someone else. Perhaps this leads to a mislynch on someone and then you could possibly kill off CKD making sure he wouldn't be able to reveal what you claimed. It doesn't matter if you claim you're going to tell Cake as well, because you could easily claim something different to him. It's even possible for you to be salari/krogan and him turian/asari so he might even help you.

I'm not townreading you and when you refuse to commit to something openly I find you suspicious for obvious reasons. I don't think your point about having claimed to a confirmed town has anything to do with what I said.

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Look Duppin. I think there's a legitimately good reason for there to not be a massclaim, that'll I think will stand up to Cake's scrutiny or a massclaim happens anyway.

I've also claimed to multiple people, and if CKD outs my claim at ANY time and it doesn't jive with what I claimed to other people, I just get insta-lynched.

You can look up my games on my real account, and yeah im playing differently, but you can at least tell that im fucking competent.
You and all the other mediocre town players in the world have an obsession with making sure scum can't get away with outlandish plays and gambits instead of putting in the work of rereading the game and trying to figure out what makes sense for scum to be doing and what behaviors indicate mindsets that are actually more likely to come from scum than town.

Im not going to claim to make it easier for you to decide who to vote for. CKD can out my claim if he thinks it's a good idea, but at thw VERY least im hoping he'll wait until people put some effort and readable opinions in the game instead of going on autopilot and voting on their old feelings without going through the game to see if they still make sense.

Party Boat I don't care if you think are you are the best player in the world and that everyone who doesn't agree with you is bad, so I'm not sure why you keep repeating stuff like that.

Saying I haven't read you based on play is simply wrong. When I started the train on FA_Q2 you started out being in my circle but then I later stated that I felt much better about you after reading your ISO. But now due to PoE and Suzune flipping town you are one of my most likely candidates and I need a reason to trust you over other players.

I gave you my PoE list earlier, but I'll do it again:

Town:
beeboy - Asari
Cake Effect - If Party Boat is telling the truth, then most likely town.
CKD - Confirmed town.
Duppin - Human.
MathBlade - Asari.
ooba - confirmed town aligned.
Varsoon - Turian
Zakk - Most likely telling the truth about being human since he CC'ed doctor.

Which leaves me with:
Shiro - Possible. I don't think he is krogan though.
BBMolla - Possible.
PB - Possible.

And I thought Shiro felt more towny than you. Do you believe BBMolla and Shiro are the last scum? If not, consider me to be town for a moment and tell me who the last town are.

I do think it is a possibility that Ooba is scum (that the check on him was reither redirected or that he has some sort of investigation immunity), but I think it's a bit unlikely. Him basically disappearing after getting confirmed is a bit disappointing though.

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also illusive man is not human is he?

Yes he is. In fact he is probably the most pro human characters in the game.

Ooba is confirmed to be town aligned though.

wait what, how

i feel like i've asked this before too

LOL

Skybird had a check on him. It is a possibility he was redirected or has investigation immunity though.

1. Yume
   *
   duppin
   * - the Illusive man, Human, Messenger
   
   what messages were sent, and when?

I actually only sent two messages. N2 (or n3?) I sent one to beeboy saying "hi beefboy". Around N5 I sent on to Suzune telling her she couldn't join my town circle.

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At least we know there is a scum in the human claims.

I trust Zakk. As for Shiro and BBMolla, I find BBMolla more suspicious than Shiro.

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If we aren't massclaiming, I'd still suggest all humans to claim today. If there are no other human claims, then we know there is only one scum in the claims so if we lynch correctly that would confirm the 4 others.

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Cake what's your read on Party Boat?

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Hm, wouldn't one of the other turians have checked Varsoon though?

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Well it's fairly simple. I know there is at least one scum in Zakk, Shiro and BBMolla. I trust Zakk. Not entirely sure what to think of Shiro and BBMolla's claims though, going to check a couple of things.

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Buddying? Um.. sure thing dude.

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why are you not voting varsoon duppin

Hm, wouldn't one of the other turians have checked Varsoon though?

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Zakk why are you so certain KTS' slot is town?

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I really hope we get a replacement for ooba.

Anyway beeboy, please explain what faction you believe me to be?

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Also I still don't get the hard townread on KTS slot zakk.

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I did. Checked KTS several times and I still don't understand it. It's not that I find him particularly scummy either though.

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I know there is one in BBMolla, Shiro and you. I think that you are most likely human (mainly because of your counterclaim), which leaves me with the other two. Based on play I find Shiro more town than BBMolla, but I like BBMollas claim more.

And it is definitely possible ooba is scum.

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So as for Shiro and BBMolla everyone seems more to be more suspicious of Shiro which is understandable given the claim.

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Has to be you/shiro/ooba amirite

If BBMolla is town, it means there is a scum between you and Shiro and in that case it would most likely be Shiro.

As for the last scum, I'd probably say ooba yes but with all this turian crap going on it is possible it could be someone else.

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Definitely a possibility. Sounds like people don't want to wait for a replacement, which is understandable to be honest. In any case I'm not going to hammer. CKD can hammer if he wants to.

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Really MathBlade? What happened to your so called townread on me?

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That is why I am asking, what happened to it. What made you change your read on me?

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And what happened to "I want a zakk vs shiro"?

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That's the worst read you've given all game long.

There's nothing "wish washy" about that. I can understand why people want to lynch him, I even mentioned it before that I think it's unlikely we are going to get a replacement in. I will however not hammer him.

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I simply can't imagine that single post made you change your read on me. (or my messages), seeing as it has nothing to do with why you were townreading me.

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Okay so why aren't you suspicous of Zakk anymore? COnsidering he is pushing a ooba lynch.

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I don't know if he is town. It is possible.

What I do know is that the slot is pretty useless at this point and I think it's unlikely we will get a replacement. I don't mind waiting for one though.

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What do you mean with a team?

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So what team do you think I am on?

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And I thought you were saying me and BBMolla were a team, so I got a bit confused.

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@Zakk, So you think I got FA_Q2 lynched because I thought he was a krogan as his scumbuddy?

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@Mathblade, so you think I bussed both of my partners (Hebichan before she slipped)?

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Why I would ever bus that early in this setup?

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How many times have you played a setup like this?

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That didn't really answer my question. How many times have you played a setup like this where you flipped scum and bussed a teammate pretty early on?

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alright so

duppin was on plenty of lynches

never voted Elsa & Anna
was first on the FA_Q2 wagon at one point, but jumped off before it went through

that makes sense and i can rest my case there

duppin is the salarian

um, wat?

I don't know if you're trolling or just being bad. I guess it's possible you're just scum, but unlikely I'd say.

I started the wagon on FA_Q2 when there was no pressure on his slot because I thought he was krogan. I then later unvoted when he claimed doc and didn't get counterclaimed. Why would I ever do that to a scumbuddy?

Not only that, but if you believe me and BBMolla to be the last scum, then you believe Shiro roleblocked BBMolla which means that if you think I am salarian I killed off my own ally by killing Party Boat? Like what are you doing?

Also where did this "Cake claimed human" thing come from. He never claimed human, he is obviously the last asari.

The last scum are BBMolla and Shiro/Zakk. I think Shiro is more likely to be the scum, but I really don't know what the hell Zak is doing at the moment.

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VOTE: BBMolla

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Also asari relax, you're obviously going to win at this point. Stop trying to waste a lynch on Varsoon now though.

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Not happening. Based on the kill, that means that if you are telling the truth then BBMolla is most likely the salarian. By lynching Varsoon today, that means that the krogan (who is most likely you) will probably win.

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Shiro pushing this as a claimed human is very suspicious and probably a krogan claim. I still want to lynch BBMolla first.

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Also Shiro you're going to roleblock me and Zakk tonight and reveal tomorrow.

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me or zakk*, obviously not both.

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Preferably me.

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Me and CKD are humans.
Cake, Beeboy and Mathblade are the asari.
Varsoon is the turian.

That leaves me with you, BBMolla and Shiro.

I think you are human, BBMolla salarian and Shiro krogan.

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I don't know, but I don't see how that is relevant. Why would there be no kills for a couple of nights if I was krogan?

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Well I think you are human so yeah.

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VOTE: Shiro

Let's go.

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Well, on the other hand you only won because we decided not to lynch into asari earlier.

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I agree kingmaker is dumb, but are you really blaming us for getting into that position? Not like we had anything to do with the nks. There's also nothing kingmaking about this situation, I'd never try to drag the game out just to make sure none of you got a victory, I'd obviously just side with whoever had the majority which would be you.

Sure you can go for a scum win if you wish to, but I'm not sure why you'd blame us for this.

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Oh well, what a shitty way to end this game.

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Wait where are the PTs? Am I blind?

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Ah nevermind.