Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

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@MathBlade we're not lynching Shaziro, mod spewed him clear. Why do you townread TownBlock?

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@Mod - do all the roles in this game conform with the roles as presented in Wiki, which has been suggested as the way a Normal game is run, and you indicated Normal Game roles.

The only difference with this game from regular Large Normals is that we balanced it the way we wanted it, and have allowed Hydras. All roles and their mechanics are Normal.

To be clear, this game was reviewed for balance, not normalcy. It is possible that there may have been mistakes or misunderstandings or simply differing understandings as to what defines normal roles or role behavior. There will be no further communication on this topic.

If Shaziro fakeclaimed then mods fucked this up.

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Okay let's hammer someone.

VOTE: hebichan

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I'm kinda lost here. What the fuck is happening and why does everyone feel the need to angleshoot in this game? This is getting annoying.

UNVOTE:

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Aha, so Friendly Neighbor is another role.

A Friendly Neighbor can target a player at Night to tell them that they are Town. The target will receive a message saying that the Friendly Neighbor is Town. This role does nothing else - the Friendly Neighbor does not know the alignment of the person who got the message.

Not the same as neighborhoods or whatever. I can barely keep track of this crap.

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VOTE: TownBlock

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Sure but you're starting a wagon on me to try to derail townblock, why do you want to derail townblock so badly?

Ugh, I dislike this post.

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Let's hammer TownBlock.

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uuuuggghhhh

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derpclear granted

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hebichan, leave the poor mod alone will ya?

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Everyone all good with my claim now?

Everybody grant a derpclear to this one!

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sitting here in this thread was pretty useless considering no one wanted to talk
~Dwibble

Don't worry, everything will be over soon.

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nah, no. check her meta, seriously

VOTE: hebichan

ISO`ing NY194 atm

@boem did you?

What?

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VOTE: TownBlock

Now that that's cleared up. No the mod didn't say anything that confirmed me as town,

yes he did give credence to the fact that I'm not bullshiting

. That's lovely can we please lynch actual scum now and let me get night killed by either a big who can't read me or the scum teams who now know exactly how useful I am? Thanks in advance.

No, he didn't. Saying the game wasn't

checked

for normalcy does not contradict the statement that the game is normal. The most one can take from that mod statement is that some roles might function slightly differently than usual, but would still be normal. A variant of follower that acts as a rolecop is explicitly non-normal on this site, and listed as such in the wiki. No mod could possibly use that variant and call the game normal.

I haven't had a chance to look at Lapsa yet, college life yo. I am at this point more confident in TB scum.

If you haven't looked at Lapsa, then how can you be any level of confident that one is more scummy than another? You admitted you have absolutely no idea about the one.

Mod heavily insinuated that some mistakes were made. If that wasn't the case, Shaziro should've been modkilled for angleshooting. That's how I see it.

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nah, no. check her meta, seriously

VOTE: hebichan

ISO`ing NY194 atm

@boem did you?

What?

check hebichan`s meta

I'm far too lazy for that shit and I find meta arguments to be completely useless anyway.

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I blame mcmeemo!!!
btw egg isn't on my team
~Dwibble

Bag this one!

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Ok but if TownBlock flips scum, wouldn't that mean Cookie Bakers was desperately trying to protect them, and is scum?

Vigging me is dumb as hell, by the way, and VA-11 suggesting it means I can't use my ability tonight, because he knows I'm odd night. Kill that too.

I completely missed that?

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Ugh, did we hammer? Remember, you have to type the name correctly and everything. Copy/paste this: TownBlock and wrap it up in vote tags.

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Then we're waiting for Wake to show up.

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@iraonavp That's a classic

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The way I see it, they are modspewing him clear by trying not to modspew him. Something funky is going on. Why would a mod say "It is possible that there may have been mistakes or misunderstandings ...", come on. This is a modspew.

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Because if they didn't say that, he is hard confirmed as scum-aligned... How else could they answer that?

If he's scum, they don't answer anything.

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In fact, Shaziro should've gotten modkilled for angleshooting if he's scum.

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Look, I know whom I am going to blame if I lose this game so I really don't give a fuck.

I'm giving Shaziro a free pass. If he's scum, I consider him a major asshole and I'm never going to play another game with him.

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So TownBlock is going to flip blue scum?

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TownBlock, do you have more info? I'm willing to listen, hehe.

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TownBlock, whom did you roleblock N2? What were CCC actions?

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Come on TownBlock, you don't have to be so cranky about it. Look on the bright side of life.

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That's a huge plus.

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By the way, Valhalla and Egg don't make sense as a team unless Egg is a protective role. My 0.02$ before I get NK'ed.

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Egg is a good neapolitan check or a vig shot. Use your best judgment, however.

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I agree with Thor665 about the normalcy stuff.

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There is 0% chance he can be VT...

He could be a protective role.

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Nevermind then. Don't check Egg, LOL

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Never gets old.

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I targeted Drixx on N3 and I saw nothing.

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Weird, noone went for Drixx NK after his claim. I expected to catch some scum, but maybe it was too obvious.

It's time for Lapsa to claim.

VOTE: Lapsa

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Seraphim was probably a vig shot, and it was a good one.

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my would lynch list looks ~ like:

townblock, long_island_medium, egg, seraphim, hebichan

Actually I don't want to lynch Lapsa, but I still want that claim.

UNVOTE:

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Drixx claimed doc so him targeting Cookie Bakers on N2 makes sense from town POV. We don't know what Lapsa was doing so he needs to claim. I'm thinking Egg is maybe a red scum.

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my would lynch list looks ~ like:

townblock, long_island_medium, egg, seraphim, hebichan

Actually I don't want to lynch Lapsa, but I still want that claim.

UNVOTE:

This is bad. Lynch or vig this please after confirmed scum. Only people that should be forced to claim are scum. Suspicion : blue mafia

Which means you vote scum.

Huh?

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@MathBlade The main reason TownBlock got lynched is because I watched him target VA-11 Hall-A on N1. Why would I target VA-11 Hall-A and out results if I was TownBlock teammate (blue mafia)? I'm not an idiot so you can shove that "blue mafia suspicion" up your ass.

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my would lynch list looks ~ like:

townblock, long_island_medium, egg, seraphim, hebichan

Actually I don't want to lynch Lapsa, but I still want that claim.

UNVOTE:

This is bad. Lynch or vig this please after confirmed scum. Only people that should be forced to claim are scum. Suspicion : blue mafia

Which means you vote scum.

Huh?

Agreed on Egg red scum.
The only people who should be forced to not wear pants are people thought to be scum. If you do not want to lynch someone you think they are town. Ergo wanting a claim from a player you suspect to be town baaaaad.

Drixx claimed a doc and we don't know why Lapsa targeted Cookie Bakers on N2. His claim would clarify the situation. What seems to be the problem?

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Yes they are.

Hebichan is town to me because they kept their claim the same and the moderator fixed their error.
In contrast if Shaziro was actually a mod error Wake wouldn't have said an NAI statement when asked. Otherwise he would be conf towning someone but he would correct it on future nights. Ergo Shaziro is scum.

I can't follow this logic.

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This could be a red scum.

VOTE: Egg

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@Mod - do all the roles in this game conform with the roles as presented in Wiki, which has been suggested as the way a Normal game is run, and you indicated Normal Game roles.

The only difference with this game from regular Large Normals is that we balanced it the way we wanted it, and have allowed Hydras. All roles and their mechanics are Normal.

To be clear, this game was reviewed for balance, not normalcy. It is possible that there may have been mistakes or misunderstandings or simply differing understandings as to what defines normal roles or role behavior. There will be no further communication on this topic.

If Shaziro fakeclaimed then mods fucked this up.

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MathBlade, it's time to move along. Mod basically admitted that some kind of mistake was made. Shaziro can still be angleshooting scum, but he probably wasn't faking his role.

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Setup

This setup does not include any non-normal/Variant roles.
Mod is NOT infallible. If you suspect a mistake, please let me know via PM right away.
Role assumptions are not advised.


meh

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MathBlade, it's time to move along. Mod basically admitted that some kind of mistake was made. Shaziro can still be angleshooting scum, but he probably wasn't faking his role.

No. It isn't. Shaziro is most likely a rolecop and lying.

I also want Shaziro's flip to demonstrate if this is bastard.

If it is then my apologies go to Shaziro. But when a mod says there are no fucking Variants in the first post and then a player claims to have a Variant role this makes them scum. Not "ohhhh maybe they are town". No they are scum.

I'm not a huge fan of information flips.

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Setup

This setup does not include any non-normal/Variant roles.
Mod is NOT infallible. If you suspect a mistake, please let me know via PM right away.
Role assumptions are not advised.


meh

And as I said before I already asked Wake. No reason to repeatedly PM wake asking the same thing.

If he was angleshooting then he's an asshole. I want to believe that Shaziro is not an asshole.

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What about Egg? My reasoning for his lynch is the same as for TownBlock lynch - it's hard to believe that town roleblocker targeted VA-11 Hall-A on N1. It's possible that they are scum roleblockers from different factions.

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Why would you protect CB even though Drixx already had that job?

didn't know Drixx`s a doc

You missed 3426? I find that hard to believe.

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Hop on board then.

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It's 'Egg', not 'egg'.

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I don't completely buy Lapsa's story, but we can deal with him later.

BTW Gunsmith gets guilty on JOAT with gunsmith according to wiki.

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@MathBlade What is the problem now?

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From the wiki

Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns...
, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers.

Mod:The wiki seems to conflict. Should a gunsmith/doc joat have a gun or not?

VOTE: hebichan

In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, Backups of roles with guns and

JoATs that have any of these

listed powers.

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Vig, shoot one of the lurkers (Gollum, Map Wolf, Vedith ...) please. Like Seraphim.

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Varsoon, your vote is shit.

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Shaziro claimed a follower.

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It's going to be hilarious if I really caught two scum roleblockers on N1.

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It's going to be hilarious if I really caught two scum roleblockers on N1.

It's possible but I don't want anything to do with a wagon both Lapsa and Mathblade want.

@Mathblade, your thoughts on the Mason claims?

I believe MathBlade is a good guy in his heart.

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I like where this game is going.

VOTE: Map Wolf

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DrippingGoofball sounds really desperate.

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Can we speed up nights somehow? I don't want to wait three days until D5 starts.

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That was a Dunnslip.

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yeah Zach umm take away his weed for a bit

Try to avoid comments like this relating drugs to thinking.

Just a personal favor.

Thank you.

Lame.

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I googled "straightedge". No alcohol? Man, that's tough.

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Yes, DGB is scum and is just a Goon.

Yeah, we're all forgetting the obvious conclusion here if Skelda is town.

DGB still isn't group scum.

What do you mean by that? Serial killer?

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Yes, DGB is scum and is just a Goon.

Yeah, we're all forgetting the obvious conclusion here if Skelda is town.

DGB still isn't group scum.

What do you mean by that? Serial killer?

Yes.

It would be a vanilla role that isn't a VT and still bulletproof.

Then lynching him would prove to be beneficial in order to reduce scum (more precise term anti-town) killpower?

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Don't buy it though because Skelda forgot his N1 check which is bullshit and the only positive Skelda could likely get is one.

I just forget the person's name because they were low activity and because they died N1 so they immediately became irrelevant.

Who?

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Skelda feels town to me.

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I think Skelda is as town as Tokyo.

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Hmm, if DrippingGoofball is a Serial Killer and we know there are 10 not town aligned players in the game out of 42 players... What is the composition of blue/red scumteams? 4 red and 5 blue or vice versa? Maybe one team has more roles in order to compensate?

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Actually we don't know how many scum are in the game? Maybe it's 4-4 and a SK?

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I don't know, 10 scum seemed to be consensus. Wake's setup notes say nothing.

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I'm getting sleepy. Good night.

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Skybird targeted RachMarie on N4. Fuck, I was considering watching VA-11 Hall-A. Nice vig, by the way.

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Skybird targeted RachMarie on N4. Fuck, I was considering watching VA-11 Hall-A. Nice vig, by the way.

Who did you watch?

RachMarie.

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So both TownBlock and Egg were mafia roleblockers. Am I the GOAT or what?

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23 players left with about 5 scum?

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GOAT = Greatest Of All Time

I'm kidding.

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If Cookie Bakers has another guilty, town probably has a very good chance to win this game.

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I wasn't roleblocked.

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So what are we going to do about DrippingGoofball?

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IDK why scum does what scum does sometime

Maybe both teams thought the other one would go after the doc

Or that I would watch the doc, or that doc will heal himself, or ...

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VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Or Cookie's guilty.

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Can we lynch DGB today? She's likely the SK and leaving her alive is just costing us extra deaths if that is the case.

Vote: DGB

My target last Night wasn't Vanilla.

I have another guilty that needs to be resolved.

We can lynch one and vig the other?

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Can we lynch DGB today? She's likely the SK and leaving her alive is just costing us extra deaths if that is the case.

Vote: DGB

My target last Night wasn't Vanilla.

I have another guilty that needs to be resolved.

Can't we get them tomorrow? If DGB really is a SK we could stop her kills. Or you could get the vig to shoot your guilty tonight.

Didn't you get DGB as vanilla? That lowers the probability that she's SK (I'd expect SK to have bulletproof protection).

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No, DGB is not Bulletproof! DGB is Vanilla. She was lying.

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Did I miss something?

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I'm getting confused here. DrippingGoofball claimed vanilla, then someone checked her and she retracted it and she said she was BP. And now Skelda finds out she's vanilla after all? Something stinks here.

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Oh great I join role madness and I pull the token vanilla. Just great.

Damn you Varsoon

I'm 1-shot bulletproof

No, DGB is not Bulletproof! DGB is Vanilla. She was lying.

OMG

This is lying scum

They do think I'm bulletproof and they are sacrificing one of their own to lynch me

Good play scum

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Oh great I join role madness and I pull the token vanilla. Just great.

VOTE: DGB

DGB is not Vanilla Town.
I know this because I am a 1-shot Neapolitan.

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So one of Varsoon/Skelda is lying and DrippingGoofball is surely lying?

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I got an action failure last night when I investigated DGB to see if he had a gun.

...so there's that.

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I'm getting confused here. DrippingGoofball claimed vanilla, then someone checked her and she retracted it and she said she was BP. And now Skelda finds out she's vanilla after all? Something stinks here.

Right. She's Guilty because she has a Neapolitan and a Vanilla Cop result on her and they don't agree.

That also implies that either you or Varsoon is lying.

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So one of Varsoon/Skelda is lying and DrippingGoofball is surely lying?

Only one of the three.

If DGB is one shot b or not vt town, Skelda lies.
If DGB is town vt, Varsoon lies.
If DGB is SK, DGB lies.
If DGB is group scum, then she's goon or Skelda lies.

But if DGB is SK, why would Neapolitan and Vanilla Cop get conflicting results?

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Varsoon claimed neapolitan and he got that DGB is not a vanilla townie.
Skelda claimed Vanilla Cop and he got that DGB is vanilla, which means mafia goon, SK or a VT (in which case he contradicts Varsoon). Now I get it, neapolitan != Vanilla Cop.

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Most likely explanation is that DGB is SK after all and in that case we should lynch her in order to reduce anti-town killpower.

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I got confused by neapolitan/Vanilla Cop dichotomy.

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Most likely explanation is that DGB is SK after all and in that case we should lynch her in order to reduce anti-town killpower.

We should roleblock DGB. This would confirm a town blocker. Then vig them.

But if DGB is SK she probably has bulletproof protection? In that case we should lynch her, not vig her.

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We should make sure that we have a town roleblocker before we proceed.

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I think we should lynch a guilty today, roleblock DGB, vig someone in POE and lynch DGB tomorrow.

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Most likely explanation is that DGB is SK after all and in that case we should lynch her in order to reduce anti-town killpower.

We should roleblock DGB. This would confirm a town blocker. Then vig them.

But if DGB is SK she probably has bulletproof protection? In that case we should lynch her, not vig her.

We should vig to confirm town blocker or not. Even if DGB is SK, then she's not getting a shot off. If she does, scum can never fakeclaim roleblocker.

How does vig confirm town blocker? I don't get it.

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From mafiascum wiki:

Serial Killers are often given One-Shot or unlimited Bulletproof. This stymies attempts to kill the SK by the Mafia or Vigs, if temporarily.
Serial Killers have also been seen with investigation immunity like Godfathers, or Tracker/Watcher immunity like Ninjas.
In very complex games, Serial Killers can be complex roles unto themselves that just happen to have a factional kill and a self-aligned win condition.

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Noo...

By vigging instead of lynching, the night actions confirm if there is a roleblocker fr town. DGB will be blocked then.

I still don't get it. If there is a town roleblocker, there will (probably) be one nightkill less so that's how we'd know.

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So DGB is your guilty?

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Ah, nevermind.

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Noo...

By vigging instead of lynching, the night actions confirm if there is a roleblocker fr town. DGB will be blocked then.

I still don't get it. If there is a town roleblocker, there will (probably) be one nightkill less so that's how we'd know.

That's my point. The less night kill means a town blocker acted. We only get that confirm by lynching my guilty.

I still think vig shouldn't be targeting DGB as it's pointless. If we have a town roleblocker, there'll (probably) be 3 deaths on N5.

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Lynch guilty, vig hebichan and roleblock DGB?

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That sounds optimal.

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Probably another scum catch. If he doesn't show up in the next 24 hours, let's just speedlynch.

VOTE: Thor665

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Lapsa, do you have a roleblock?

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Shaziro, whom did you follow last night?

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Okay, we need a town roleblock claim too.

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Okay, we need a town roleblock claim too.

No we don't.

But if we don't have a town roleblock then DGB will get an extra kill. We have to make sure.

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I don't know, I want to eliminate anti-town faction today if possible.

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Drixx makes a lot sense to me.

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Shiro is now scared of you too Drixx. This seems like a ploy to save Thor.

If we lynched DGB, it's vigging Thor and blocking Hebi currently.

You just are not seeming like yourself Drixx.

Come on, there was no mention of saving Thor in this game.

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Drixx is right about this one. If there's a town roleblocker, he/she should claim so we can block DrippingGoofball and lynch Thor. At this rate, lynching DGB is our best shot at reducing KPN.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

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And vig shoots in hebichan/Thor tonight. I think this is the best plan.

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@Cookie Bakers What is that talk about saving Thor or hebichan?

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I am NOT down with lynching DGB given Drixx's shading of us since go.

Drixx protected you on N2 if his claim is correct. What are you talking about?

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Cookie Bakers, I think you are getting paranoid here. I don't see Drixx as scum doctor who protected you on N2.

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If DGB is really a SK, there's no better play than lynching her today. I mean, we can hope that Thor is the last remaining scum of his faction, but that feels too optimistic.

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Really we should have lynched DGB yesterday because we already gave the Town Roleblocker a chance to prove their existence and they didn't come through.

Yeah, we could've ended up with one less dead townie too.

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If DGB is really a SK, there's no better play than lynching her today. I mean, we can hope that Thor is the last remaining scum of his faction, but that feels too optimistic.

Thor being last scum would suggest lynching DGB as optimal.

I don't understand this sentence.

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@RachMarie Did Skybird tell you what his actions were?

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If DGB is really a SK, there's no better play than lynching her today. I mean, we can hope that Thor is the last remaining scum of his faction, but that feels too optimistic.

Thor being last scum would suggest lynching DGB as optimal.

Not really. We wouldn't be sure that Thor was the last of his faction in the same way we could be sure of DGB.

Exactly why we lynch Thor and block DGB.

Either way DGB no kills.

If Thor is last scum, then we stop two kills.

First of all, we don't know whether we have a town roleblocker or not. Second of all, if we have a town roleblocker why don't we lynch DGB today and roleblock Thor? If he's the last scum then the kill won't go through.

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I think Cookie Bakers is town, but is getting paranoid for no real reason. We're wasting our time with this bickering.

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I hoped for a rolecop check. Maybe her N1 rolecop check ended up dead or something.

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Work break super short today. Way too many posts to catch up on. Computer is at home so can't update chart yet guys.

Looks like my Valhalla crumbing blue theory was off based on flips. Like Skelda as scum. If DGB scum they are opposite alignments based on D2 VCA.

Haven't read anything in thread today but since Valhalla is town Skelda likely blue for hopping on CC's wagon off to DGB then back onto CC towards end.

Suspect Titus + DGB as red.

VOTE: Skelda

Titus outed Map Wolf as guilty and he flipped red scum. You're not making any sense.

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I suspect remaining scum is among lurkers who just gave up at this point because they realized they can't win this one.

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*are

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Wait so do we have conflicting results on DGB by Varsoon and Creature?

No, neapolitan isn't the same as Vanilla Cop.

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Rolecop

So you got that DGB is not a Vanilla Townie while she's still Vanilla. That means she's either a Goon or a Serial Killer.

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Ahhh, I've been waiting for such a long time to finally lynch DrippingGoofball ... Mmmm

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Varsoon, can you roleblock Thor tonight?

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Maybe it's better not to answer that. But if you can roleblock him, you know what to do.

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Nah, it should be roleblock DGB. We know she CAN be roleblocked.

We don't know if Thor can be.

I still don't understand why you insist that Thor gets lynched today. DrippingGoofball is outed SK/Goon at this point. Thor is going nowhere.

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Ceterum censeo DrippingGoofball esse lyncham

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Nah, it should be roleblock DGB. We know she CAN be roleblocked.

We don't know if Thor can be.

I still don't understand why you insist that Thor gets lynched today. DrippingGoofball is outed SK/Goon at this point. Thor is going nowhere.

I don't understand why you insist on DGB when it's the suboptimal play.

1) DGB can be blocked. Thor might be ascetic.
2) Lynching Thor and vigging Hebi might stop two teams kills.
3) Thor can talk his way out of this if not threatened with rope, DGB cannot.
4) We need to eliminate as many scum actions as possible.
5) The people pushing for lynching DGB are all people who I have taken issue with, have mild paranoia of and have thrown shade my way minus you.

1) If Thor is ascetic, then he's immune to all actions besides NK - that would also include gunsmith check I presume? So, no.
2) Vigging is irrelevant in terms of stopping kills?
3) LOL nope
4) That's my argument for lynching DGB today, one less dead townie tomorrow if she's a SK
5) Oh, thanks for kind words. By the way, I don't share that paranoia

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Ugh, that was a tense CB-Drixx discussion. And probably completely pointless.

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DGB is not a lock guilty.

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DGB can't be bulletproof townie, otherwise both Skelda and Varsoon are lying.

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So Rach, Lapsa, and Creature all claim I am lurking - after I am not posting in thread within an odd few hours of it opening.
One of them is scum.
Rach is confirmed.
So.

Vote: DGB

This is also kinda sad, by sheer logic she is scum, by your votes people are voting me because people are strategic...

Claim: JOAT

Night 1 - roleblocked Accountant
Night 2 - Gunsmith DGB (no result)
Night 3 - Rolecop Vall Hall A
Night 4 - Watch Egg (no visits)

I have a few problems with this claim.

N1 roleblocking Accountant is fine from town POV.
N2 no result on DGB looks too convenient, why would someone roleblock you out of all players in this game?
N3 rolecop on VA-11 Hall-A is a total bullshit from town POV. I don't believe this at all.
N4 no visits on Egg? That's impossible unless we have a ninja vig or a very altruistic SK.

This is outed scum.

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So, both DGB and Thor are 99% scum. Lower your egos, lynch DGB and RB/vig Thor tonight. Easy.

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Okay Thor, can you explain the motivation behind using a rolecop ability on a widely townread and active player who had a very high chance of getting NK'ed? And who got roleblocked by two scum roleblockers on opposite factions? Your story doesn't add up.

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Okay Thor, can you explain the motivation behind using a rolecop ability on a widely townread and active player who had a very high chance of getting NK'ed? And who got roleblocked by two scum roleblockers on opposite factions? Your story doesn't add up.

I would actually disagree that he was widely townread, as a sinple example I will point at Titus, who has called a guilty on scum of opposing factions and still has people tossing shade at her. This is multiball, reads be crazy son.

I wanted the rolecop because he was intimating stuff and I wanted to know how much sheeping he deserved - the answer was not much at all. It worked for me as a play.

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I don't believe you.

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Finally day started. Boring targeted Drixx last night.

VOTE: boring

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Yeah, this one is 100%.

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I think that Creature may well be scum. I also wonder about Almost50.

I think Skelda is town, as is MathBlade. Obviously, our reamining masons are town. I'd like to say Thor is town too, but it's by no means a sure thing.

I'll vote creature for now and try to make more sense of things later.

VOTE: Creature

This probably spews Creature as the clear town, at least not boring's faction.

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Thor should've gotten vigged. Our vig probably forgot to submit the action.

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I don't know about townblock being scum either. I'm leaning town on them, tbh.

Ha-ha.

I've seen CCC defensive and clumsy, and he flipped town. It wasn't like this. I think I might finally be seeing his scum-game.

VOTE: CCC

I spent most of yesterday in the Ira wagon, and I'll likely come back to it at some point.
Ira and DGB both lied about being VT. Can any remaining Neapolitans peek LIM next?

Also, did I miss it, or does no one care about Accountant's fake Innocent Child claim, followed by Elitism's [jk!] back-up claim?

Red or blue? Guesses? Maybe we can organize a prize contest?

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This has been a very interactive game of follow the guilties. Good shit Boem, CB, and the vanilla coppers.

Vig Thor, then Hebi

It's not our fault, we're just playing optimally. By the way, if there's another protective role (maybe JOAT with a heal?) it should be on me tonight.

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@Thor665 My role PM was crystal clear to me and I never had to ask a single clarification question.

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Why do you request Creature vig shot?

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What was your result?

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Which action did you use last night?

I try to be as clear as possible and to figure this game out. If you are also town, then you should do the same. Some of your posts/sentences are confusing.

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Thor665 is confirmed as scum-aligned because he said that nobody visited Egg on night four, and Egg was almost surely shot by a vigilante. I think it is highly unlikely that a ninja vigilante exists...

You.
Are.
Derp.

For example, why is this derp? I highly doubt that SK targeted Egg. Iraonavp made a legit point there.

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I have a small request. If you claimed a role, please write your results in a single post to make navigating easier. It's D6 so it's hard to keep track of everything. I'll make an example.

I'm town watcher.

Egg and Townblock targeted VA-11 Hall-A on N1.
Drixx, Comparing Realities, and Lapsa targeted Cookie Bakers on N2.
I saw nothing on N3 when I targeted Drixx.
Skybird targeted RachMarie on N4.
boring targeted Drixx on N5.

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What the fuck are we going to do with PeregrineV? He has barely posted in this game. He needs to be checked somehow, we can't risk having him in mylo/lylo. Does any JOAT have a rolecop shot left?

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Lapsa said that PeregrineV performed no action which doesn't help us at all.

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I don't understand Thor665's attitude if he's town, really.

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@MathBlade It didn't occur to me until Thor665 started confusing people around.

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What are you talking about?

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This was my first post of day six.

Finally day started. Boring targeted Drixx last night.

VOTE: boring

I still don't know what you're talking about.

[Boem_u_dusi]

I'm from Europe and I didn't see the game was open until I woke up. I posted at 9AM.

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Very easy explanation.

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I don't value your gut that much to be honest.

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I'm already drinking mine

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I don't get that nacho cheese reference. Is that about Nachomamma8?

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Finally day started. Boring targeted Drixx last night.

VOTE: boring

That's why I wanted to wait for people to speak before I vote.

VOTE: boring

What do you mean?

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PeregrineV, considering you were absent for most of the game I'd like you to claim and out your actions (if there were any).

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Hmm, looks like this game suddenly got more interesting.

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I have a small request. If you claimed a role, please write your results in a single post to make navigating easier. It's D6 so it's hard to keep track of everything. I'll make an example.

I'm town watcher.

Egg and Townblock targeted VA-11 Hall-A on N1.
Drixx, Comparing Realities, and Lapsa targeted Cookie Bakers on N2.
I saw nothing on N3 when I targeted Drixx.
Skybird targeted RachMarie on N4.
boring targeted Drixx on N5.

I totally visited Drixx last night. I'm a Jack of all Trades (Bodyguard/Cop/Watcher/Follower/Neapolitan/Vigilante).

N1 - Cop - Parama (town)
N2 - Vig - Comparing Realities (I'm sorry. I really, really thought Accountant was scum)
N3 - Neo - Serrapaladin (not VT)
N4 - Follower - DGB (no results)
N5 - Watcher - Drixx (targeted by Boem)

All I have left is bodyguard, which I was going to use tonight on either RachMarie or Klingoncelt, I wasn't sure yet. I seriously considered using it on Drixx last night, but I still had that whisper of doubt that he might not be town, whereas our Masons were absolutely town.

This is actually a beliveable claim, but let's see if someone counterclaims something here.

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Wait, let me think about this. Why did you use nepolitan on Serrapaladin when he got checked on D2 if I'm not mistaken?

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I'm going to bed soon so I'll

UNVOTE:

For now.

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Ninja scum theory is very convenient for both Thor and boring. If their claims come from town, that would make like 5 town JOATs?

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Maybe. I'm too tired to think right now.

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My result: noone targeted RachMarie.

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What are your results, Shaziro?

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If we have the vig, why the fuck he/she didn't shoot Thor (or Gollum, PeregrineV ... )?

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Sorry, I forget every time.

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VOTE: Thor665

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Gollum, please claim.

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Oh right, you

claimed

miller.

VOTE: Gollum

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We refuse to read, only iso.

We don't investigate as town.

What the fuck does this mean then?

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Let's just rope that guy.

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I fucking hate this game.

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VOTE: Thor665

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We are town. Why would anyone want to lynch us?

mathblade is scum that knows we are town.

I am delighted for being granted an opportunity to play the game with player of such calibre.

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I agree with everything in 5125, which makes me feel good about Narna.

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I kind of agree with Almost50 on MathBlade.

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Boem_u_dusi, Varsoon and Mathblade are all scum!

Yay! Game is solved! Unbeliveable performance by Gollum!

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@Almost50 I have trouble figuring out whether MathBlade is scum or an awful town. My biggest concern at the moment is that I have trouble with Thor's claim and his checks, I don't see him using a rolecop check on Valhalla N3 as town (lurkers in general are far better checks) and noone visiting Egg on N4 is also a fishy result. N2 no result on DGB also sounds convenient. His claim stinks.

If you think MathBlade is the way to go ... okay I guess.

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Hebichan getting replaced greatly increases likelihood for that slot being scum.