TTH's Summer Mafia (Game Over)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: DGB

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: McMenno

L-1

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am a charcoal grill, X-shot weak doctor. I won't tell how many shots, I don't think that's relevant and it's counterproductive to town.

What do you think of this claim, DGB?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Intent

-Xk

?

I am a charcoal grill, X-shot weak doctor. I won't tell how many shots, I don't think that's relevant and it's counterproductive to town.

?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

!

Use your words.

-Xk

~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also don't like LLD's reaction to the claim. It seems like she doesn't know what to do with it and asks DGB instead of taking a stance herself.

Uh, I know what to do with it.

The dude claimed doctor.

I fucking want blood. Did you see me unvote?

I asked DGB what she thought because she's the big fake claim person, it's in her sig FFS.

And I poked at Mayham because he gave "intent to hammer" but the dude had already claimed so I don't know what he was waiting for.

Then I just decided to troll him I guess.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hi love

He claimed

Weak doctor

ur scum

lol

he claimed X-Shot Weak Doctor.

That's not town.

Eat a dick.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Scum, Willing to lynch: Camntsuki, Copper
Scum, not willing to lynch yet: LLD
Probscum: Creature
Town, willing to lynch: Fate, Igneel
Town, not willing to lynch: McMenno, Elyse, Zulfy, Spifflop, flaming drunk hydra, massive

Why is DGB not on this list, love?

I've got a scum read on DGB, and yet she's one of the few I don't see here.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

DGB can't be scum 3 games in a row #free pass to lylo

something something Gambler's fallacy

something something "it must be Fate"

good jokes, friends.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: DGB

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm missing a third the town
How is that a few
And she's prolly town
Do you know how hard it is to read DGB?

Can you check the QT and see if she's in it?

How hard is it to read DGB? She plays erratically, but not without intent so I don't understand your struggle.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey LLD

Kats is confirmed scum

I know the other two probably suck

I mean one is like copper, that's tragic. I mean not that he's bad but you're probably frustrated with him already.

But you gotta bus Kats to live

Is "Kiss My Ass" an appropriate response?

or are you going to flog me for that one?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Igneel is a mighty dragon and you all shall fear my roar!!!!

Posturing.
VOTE: Igneel

VOTE: mcmenno

he's pretty obviously scum

I like this case, simple and to the point.

VOTE: mcmenno

VOTE: Igneel

I've had enough of your scummy ways!

This series of votes feels off.

DGB votes Igneel for pressure early which is fine, nothing wrong there.

Then votes McMenno because she agrees with the wagon, fine too.

But then jumps off the McMenno wagon once it reaches a fairly large peak but BEFORE he claims, which is important.

And looking at Igneel's posts I just can't understand what would cause DGB to, no matter how erratic she is, apply LESS pressure onto a wagon that was reaching a boiling point, to vote onto a wagon that had very little support left to my understanding at the time. Also, Igneel feels town, so it's doubly bad. So that's when I vote her first.

Then McMenno is genuinely awful still and I'm happy to lynch THAT scum and deal with DGB later, especially since I can put him at L-1.

He claims Weak Doc.

So then I ask her, Ms. "Fake claims take an eternity herself", to talk to me about the veracity of the claim.

And she gives me something that feels more like she was obligated to say "I think it's town" than any kind of actual thing from her.

And then as an after thought is like "oh and I want to hear the flavour for this too!" and THAT felt bad too.

So her wagon movement has scum intent in such a way that she's scummy independently of McMenno (i.e: getting off the wagon before a lynch potentially occurs, which almost happened) and given my scum read on McMenno I think her switch off to relieve some pressure is also just not that townie.

And I have some really bad gut feelings about her and her interactions with me over the claim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

kewl kids klub

table?

Stop it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm almost ready to go for that copper wagon tbh

I think I'm ready for a new wagon too, but I don't think I want it to be on Copper.

Who's your next choice?

-Xk

She's still scum.

Herding cats...

Meow?

Vote: Elyse

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD being a consensus scumread and never receiving a vote makes me more confident she's scum. Not to mention she had a shitty opening and has done nothing since

This is some "needs fire" level posting.

Elyse is quite literally scrambling for any foothold.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'd Lynch any of McMenno, Elyse, DGB and Kappy today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No interest in lynching Igneel, Refined, GI, Fate, Eccentricity, Spifflop or Mollietov. All seem either solidly town to me, or putting up enough good posts that they get to live.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD being a consensus scumread and never receiving a vote makes me more confident she's scum. Not to mention she had a shitty opening and has done nothing since

This is some "needs fire" level posting.

Elyse is quite literally scrambling for any foothold.

Tell me what's inaccurate

Uh, nothing you said in that post is valid or true.

My opening WASN'T shitty, in addition, I have done things since, given I had an entire case on DGB that has been discussed for a couple pages and days now.

Further, given you've said basically nothing about me until I VOTED YOU recently, it feels very opportunistic and looking for any kind of foothold to prevent yourself from dying today, since people aren't biting at your other options.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That just makes me even more confident.

Instead of explaining why I'm wrong, you try to discredit me by calling me desperate.

Like there's nothing to explain. You are saying untrue things.

It is an accurate statement of your play right now to call you desperate.

I'm not discrediting you, because you've done nothing to discredit, just call me scum for hand wavy reasons and hope it sticks.

You're just scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok I'm caught up.

Spifflop, reads?

pick up

did I say massive?

VOTE: spifflop

This is a vanity wagon, and is not happening today. Could you be convinced to put pressure in a place where it will actually do something, instead of tunnelling on your never happening wagon and pretending to provide real content?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I just remembered that I thought Fate might be scum but I can't remember why.
I read Fate's ISO and I still can't remember why.
I'll read the game over again, but it'll be a bit before I get around to that, so consider my Fate read in limbo

This is a vanity wagon, and is not happening today. Could you be convinced to put pressure in a place where it will actually do something, instead of tunnelling on your never happening wagon and pretending to provide real content?

Are you ignoring the, maybe like, 4 other people that also scumread Spifflop?
And you don't think there are other "never happening" wagons that are out there?

-errant

I think there are lots of other never happening wagons out there, and they should also stop being useless. I just called you out on it because I have a gut problem with the way you were going about it.

/me shrugs

[Lady Lambdadelta]

cakez can you please think back to musical mafia where beeboy tunneled me all game and I got pissed off and didn't post until people left me alone?

yea this is the same instance but with mollie

-twitch-

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oh yeah Hiplop, I'm totally sewing the seeds of voting you right after fucking saying you weren't getting lynched today.

Gimme a break.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also, I love how you go through an entire "catchup" but entirely ignore the post where I explain my read on DGB.

It's really nice to see that someone who is complaining about being misread and is calling others blind for voting him, has the ability to completely put their own blinders on.

Like holy shit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i changed my mind on you lld

yeah I'm just kind of skimming through the giant walls and responding as a I go.

Let me go look for that part.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I didn't ignore it! I just don't agree.

I think elyse is scum, and fate is scum.

my vote is on Elyse, dummy.

like, lmfao

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I didn't ignore it! I just don't agree.

I think elyse is scum, and fate is scum.

my vote is on Elyse, dummy.

like, lmfao

how is that relevant. I agree??????

i think you think this is a fight but its not

you had an entire part of your post where you made fun of my reads list, and then turn around and vote the same person I'm voting.

I'm a little bit tilted.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No interest in lynching Igneel, Refined, GI, Fate, Eccentricity, Spifflop or Mollietov. All seem either solidly town to me, or putting up enough good posts that they get to live.

If this list has more than one scum on it, I will eat my novelty cat ears maid headdress thing.

(I don't own any hats, sue me).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nah like double that. $10 you're town, $50 Fate is town.

Like I been town with Fate town too often.

LLD suuuuuupah scum

Owner suuupah wrong.

And bad.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I'm bussing Elyse help me do it

~Spiffy

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Anyone up for a GreyICE wagon?

No ones townreading him

and he's pretty obviously scum. I'm guessing most people are afraid to vote him or something? Idk

WOW THIS IS SUCH A BLATANT LIE.

THE NUMBER OF POSTS WITH GREYICE AS A SOLID TOWN READ IN THIS GAME HAVE BEEN SO MANY IT'S LAUGHABLE YOU WOULD EVEN TRY TO SWING THIS.

INSTEAD, YOU JUST SWING. ON THE NOOSE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is my first game in a while so go easy on me

VOTE: Igneel

Already a scumclaim on page 1 this is easier than I remembered

If Elyse is scum, so is Igneel - but I buy his tree stump claim, mmmm...

I REALLY like Snowstorm for town.

Also GreyIce, actually.

That dragon spam meltdown was epic town.

And Spifflop has been good recently.

I am not sold on Elyscum after her response.

Mollietov seems town. Mayhem too.

LLD & Fate may be scum. Fate appears to be faking.

@McMenno

You've done fuckall since your claim. I want reads.

scum - you, sgb, spifflop, lld
town -

greyice

, eccentricity, snowstorm, fate
rest is null

Town:

Greyice,

igneel, DGB, Refined Mayhem
Null-town : mollietov, massive, camntsuki, Sircakez
null: zulfy, snowstorm, Copper, LLD
null-scum: creature eccentricity
scum: fate, elyse

Townpool -

(GI

, LLD, Fate, DGB)
Scumpool - (Eccentricity, McMenno, Zulfy)

I'm also getting pinged some by Spifflop but I want to read up more before evaluating that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

WOW THAT SURE WAS HARD.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

5 minutes.

Is all it took me.

To prove you a liar.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Man, RM, that is crap reasoning.

See, the thing about playing scum is that if you just wiggle and your buddies hold still the town will get distracted. That's why you shoot the leaders, you have to let the town get distracted. Igneel, Kappy of the eternal VLA, something will pop up. Once that pops up and townies like you think "oh the wagon has been stagnant a while, maybe we should do something else" then they move. They want townies to make the first move. They don't want to start the wagon.

What do you like about the arguments in Elyse's previous few posts?

You should pair this with some vote-count analysis and come up with some quiet-ish wiggler scumbaggoes.

VCA..... on day one.

Have I mentioned I fucking hate you?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Man, RM, that is crap reasoning.

See, the thing about playing scum is that if you just wiggle and your buddies hold still the town will get distracted. That's why you shoot the leaders, you have to let the town get distracted. Igneel, Kappy of the eternal VLA, something will pop up. Once that pops up and townies like you think "oh the wagon has been stagnant a while, maybe we should do something else" then they move. They want townies to make the first move. They don't want to start the wagon.

What do you like about the arguments in Elyse's previous few posts?

You should pair this with some vote-count analysis and come up with some quiet-ish wiggler scumbaggoes.

VCA..... on day one.

Have I mentioned I fucking hate you?

I hate you, too, meowsies.

It doesn't deny that your only contributions to the game are slipping onto easy wagons against probable town players~

Oh so I see, you have town reads on unflipped players, and your only fucking reason for walking in here and scum reading me is that I put pressure votes on those unflipped wagons.

Nothing else?

Fucking garbage holy shit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, Elyse and McMenno are both fucking scum, so I could totally conf. bias and say you coming in her with this weak as shit is llike a chainsaw and you're scum with them!

See how that works?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, do you think Elyse is irrational/flailing at this point?

Yep. I think Elyse is looking for any hand hold to grab onto. She did it with me, then did the EXACT SAME POST with regards to GreyICE.

With me, it made very little sense, but since she was scum reading me at the time, sure.

But once that didn't happen she dropped that scum read like a ton of bricks in favour for GreyICE, using the aforementioned line of "no one thinks he is town, he's obviously scum, let's lynch him"

Which I and other quickly proved to be obviously false.

She's not reading the game, praying she can dodge a day 1 lynch with this now growing Fate lynch.

So yeah, she's desperate.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

933 kinda says otherwise.

I do not believe that her one off expression of frustration is real, or even that if it is, it's somehow townie.

Why do you think it is?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

To assault him so pubicly and so vehemently does ElyseScum little good, and can potentially ruin her.

For LLD to call for his head today is literally the most anti-town thing that a person could do. It is piss poor strategy even if the accused is actually scum.

Glork, I think this is a clashing pair of mindsets here, which gives me the feeling that you're reaching to make people think that either LLD is scum or Elyse is town. Thoughts?

-errant

No.

Given the role McMennon claimed, there is a VERY clear strategic route to take that benefits the town.

LLD calling to do the exact opposite of the Correct Protown Play is definitely beneficial to scum, whereas Elyse may just be convinced that she is right, because there isn't a Defitive Protown strategic reason to keep Igneel alive based on claimed role information

That context is HUGELY significant. I cannot overstate how important it is that "being convinced of somethings subjective" and "arguing against an OBJECTIVELY best decision" are two very, very, very, VERY different things.

How the fuck is that an obvious pro-town play?

He's claimed an X Shot Weak Doctor.

If he's scum, it's SO FUCKING SUPER EASY for him to fake claim targeting just about anyone, town or scum, and be fine without much impunity.

Plus the way in which he claimed still feels wrong to me.

Plus his content SINCE the claim has been shit to me.

so I don't see how it's fucking anti-town to want to lynch someone who I think is fake claiming.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But you know what Glork?

Why don't we test your faith in that claim shall we?

Have him target me tonight.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well for one he won't die.

And for another, isn't that exactly what you want him to do, if he really is a fucking Weak Doctor?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

McManon agrees to be lynched in the relatively near future to possibly confirm innocents.

LLD still tries to fling bullshit about how he needs to be lynched ASAP.

LLD, how about instead of this indignant act you're putting on, you read the ducking plan. If he's Scum and fakes his targets, he's still getting lunched by like D3.

I like how you completely ignore the part about EVEN IF HE'S FAKE CLAIMING he buys himself maybe three days ar MOST.

But nope! You're just going to keep arguing the same horseshit over and over.


Diiiieieieieieieieieei right now.

You're so fucking beyond bad.

Like so far beyond any kind of bad that makes fucking sense.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Question for LLD: hypothetically, let's assume that McMenno *is* scum and bullshits his results. By D4 if he claims he still has protects to use (meaning he is 4-shot or more), we uberlynch that shit anyway. How is my plan (let him live a couple of days) WORSE than yours (Lynch asap), even if you're right and I'm wrong?

Where is my vote currently, Glork?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh my god LLD IS SO SCUM!!!!!!!!

She argues with Glork and calls him stupid for saying lynching McMenno is a bad idea and antitown. And then when he proves her wrong she goes "look who I'm voting" as if that somehow makes her agree with Glork.

LYNCH HER!!

This is still scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You said literally nothing.

I pointed out before that both you and McMenno are scum, and I'm happy to lynch either of you.

I'm still fighting Glork about my othe read because I'm confident in it, but I'm not voting it because I'm already voting scum and people won't do that iwth me today.

So I don't see the contradiction in my actions. I'm voting scum and arguing that another person who I'm not voting is also scum.

You trying to misrepresent me is awful, but I'm used to it because all you do is misrepresent and lie abotu people.

Like with Fate.

And now with me.

So I'm tired of you shit. I would rage and go off on you, but it just drains me.

So go fucking die so I don't have to deal with your mentally deficient scum drivel anymore, okay?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

(to be clear, I mean die in game)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My plan is not to lynch McMenno.

Hence why my vote isn't on him.

TADA.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We are arguing about the time at which my vote was on him, and my reaction of wanting someone to hammer him because I thought his claim was false.

Do I still think he's scum? Yeah.

Would I still lynch him in a heart beat? Yes.

But I'm currently voting you because the town, including most of the people who I think are town are refusing to vote that player and ARE voting you, who I DO have a scum read on.

so what's the contradiction here Elyse? what are you going to fabricate this time?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ah Glork is town now theres someone worth sheeping

are you voting lld yet

and why ARE you voting me again?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ah Glork is town now theres someone worth sheeping

are you voting lld yet

and why ARE you voting me again?

cos glork said it was a good idea

can you tell me what you think of fate or grey?

They're both town, or putting up enough effort into lynching scummy people that they qualify for now.

Fate's harder to read because he's doing the "IDC" thing, so it's like, he's a good player, is voting scum, and I've a mild town read on him. Good enough.

GI is jsut obvious town this game, and I say that coming from a place of like, really struggling to read him as of late.

I would bet my soul on GI being town this game, this is just textbook how he operates.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok GreyICE, let's say that I'm willing to unvote LLD. I'm still not going to be voting for Elyse. Who would your next pick be?

-Xk

Don't surrender to bullies

I'm not surrendering to anything.

My vote remains on LLD.

I mean, he did say that my case on her was "10x better than Glork's" right?

10 x 0 is still 0 buddy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Look, beyond my gut read and everything else, let's just say I have a pretty good idea that a weak doctor is just super unlikely to exist in this setup.

I won't say more.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: Refined Mayhem

That's who shoots eccentricity.

Or maybe LLD.

YOU KNOW DAMN WELL WHO WOULD BE DEAD RIGHT NOW IF I WAS SCUM.

LOL

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fucking memer.

Vote: Glork

[Lady Lambdadelta]

YOU KNOW DAMN WELL WHO WOULD BE DEAD RIGHT NOW IF I WAS SCUM.

LOL

Airtight defense, I guess.

damn straight.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AlamasterGM?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

PookytheMagicalBear?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Let me say this explicitly:

I have a role related reason why I wanted to lynch McMenno on day 1.

So how about you go fuck yourself, Owner~? or let me do it for you~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also

Vote: McMenno

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Glork

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also LLD if your role related reason for wanting McMenno lynched was "I'm a doctor" you should be auto lynched

It's far worse than that, I'm afraid.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also LLD's mystery role that couldn't save DGB but counterclaimed McMenno is kind of
Well
It's a mystery
Rewrite history
With bullets and rope

I DID target DGB, a-hole.

You want a full fucking claim?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah, maybe it was bad but like, I was convinced.

Should I full claim or keep it a mystery?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Prod picked up. Sorry.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can tell what he thought hard about this night phase.

To be completely and utterly honest, mostly this.

I'm sorry to the town that my head was not in this game. I thought about requesting replacement, but I didn't want to leave whomever replaced me in such a garbage situation.

I'm Baseball, Vanilla Townie. My "don't mess with Tejas" breadcrumb was a reference to the Texas Rangers, an MLB team that TTH referenced in describing my role flavor.

My final scum reads are:
Camntsuki
LLD
Someone else fairly lurker-ish, maybe Zulfy or Massive or something

He already claimed.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

but but but

I wanna watch him hang

Enjoi rope....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

(In all seriousness sell me on Massive? I've kinda zoned from this game so I don't know what I should be looking for there)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Cakez

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If we're one scum left, we could try Cakez, he's acting like he doesn't know me.

what the fuck does that mean?

VOTE: Cakez

Vote: Cakez

both of these votes are disgusting

Wow, Cakez ISO. Lord help me, I don't want to read or deal with that.

That is like 10 levels of bad, and I can now understand why votes have just piled on him.
I apologize for my ignorance. Carry on.

~Fire

look at this shitty backtracking

This can die any time folks.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Keith, I was invited by PM to the games I signed up for, and given I spent all yesterday with you after I posted my vote, and only just now got online, this was my first chance to read his reaction.

So bite me.

(no seriously bite me~)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm sorry folks, I've been having trouble finding motivation to play this game for reasons I won't go into but should be obvious.

I'll do my best in the coming days or I'll replace out. I apologize.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mollie, I want to lynch Massive or Cakez today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Once again I will fullclaim if you like.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

what do you think lld?

creature?

I'm down to do it. Popcorn starting with me?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

WAIT LLD

holy shit, what are the chances of there being a town ascetic AND commuter in town? I forgot snowstorm was a town ascetic.

lld I have only modded once, but does that make sense for balance? 2 town roles that are immune to na's and 1 immune to nk?

It gets worse when you hear my claim, trust me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm a town Rolestopper.

I target any player (including myself, given the way my Role PM is worded) and all actions INCLUDING KILLS on that player are prevented that night.

I asked the mod for some clarifications through the game, so here they are:

1) If I target myself, even roleblockers cannot prevent this from occurring (since their action is stopped by mine).

2) If I target another player and I am roleblocked, my action fails.

So yeah, take a guess why I thought a town weak doctor would be impossible.

It's because if I target a weak doctor, that means they can't be killed, roleblocked or otherwise prevented.

As such, if they die it could

Only ever be as a result of them targeting scum

.

It's broken as fuck.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm a town Rolestopper.

I target any player (including myself, given the way my Role PM is worded) and all actions INCLUDING KILLS on that player are prevented that night.

I asked the mod for some clarifications through the game, so here they are:

1) If I target myself, even roleblockers cannot prevent this from occurring (since their action is stopped by mine).

2) If I target another player and I am roleblocked, my action fails.

So yeah, take a guess why I thought a town weak doctor would be impossible.

It's because if I target a weak doctor, that means they can't be killed, roleblocked or otherwise prevented.

As such, if they die it could

Only ever be as a result of them targeting scum

.

It's broken as fuck.

so who have your targets been?

Me DGB Me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How DGB died?

Rememebr when I talked about clarifications on Roleblocker stuff?

Guess when I asked about that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How DGB died?

How DGB died?

Rememebr when I talked about clarifications on Roleblocker stuff?

Guess when I asked about that.

Read the fucking thread

[Lady Lambdadelta]

massive, please

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't think we have enough time to finish the massclaim today.

Then I want to do this instead

Vote: Massive

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not letting mister "I dissapear during massclaim and now it's time to deadline lynch" live another fucking day.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I wasn't trying to be rude btw, I'm just more and more frustrated with this game, your slot being one of the reasons.

welcome to my world, yeah

[Lady Lambdadelta]

[quote="In post 2296, Masquerade"][/quote]

Elaborate how?

I protected myself every night except night two when I protected DGB because she's a fucking claimed watcher who caught confirmed scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I feel like DGB really was crumbing that she saw camntsuki. However, even if that is the case, that doesn't mean it's a town role, they just didn't kill that night.

If I feel like LLD and creature could both be telling the truth about their roles, but if LLD is town, Creature could be scum roleblocker who targeted her and that's why DGB died when LLD protected her. I mean, she made it pretty clear she was softing some sort of protective.

Which leads me to my next thought. I've been wondering, with her being so obvious, why is she still alive? Maybe because they have a roleblocker and she's being lurky which they could push for her later and still get their kills through?

Here's the other thing that has been on my mind Mollie.

What kind of info were the scum given in that informed goon of theirs?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How DGB died?

Rememebr when I talked about clarifications on Roleblocker stuff?

Guess when I asked about that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Creature said he rb'ed Cakes n2 so why did your action fail? Or is creature lying?

Do you think a scum roleblocker would claim roleblocker after my claim?

Look at the number of PRs in this game, and excluding that a few of these claims are almost certainly scum, what do you think scum need to even remotely stand a chance?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

To be more clear, I think that one of the VT claims (or possibly one of our role claims) is a Scum RB.

And I think Creature is town.

Though I do have ??? questions for creature, because DGB CONFIRMED that Katuski was seen to visit Masquerade N1.

Which is set in stone.

so if Creature really did RB Kats, how is that possible ???

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, did you receive any notification that your action failed?

-Xk

No, none.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is there a scum bus driver maybe?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

redirector, or some other flavour of that shit?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

because otherwise I can't like, wrap my head around the Creature claim.

Katsuki is confirmed to have been seen visiting Masquerade that night.

If Kats was RB'd, that shouldn't have occured, right?

Mod, if a player is RB'd is their action still seen by a watcher?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is there a scum bus driver maybe?

redirector, or some other flavour of that shit?

We were kinda thinking more along the lines of a Strongman kill which, as far as I know, is the only role that can actually bypass the rolestopper.

-Xk

Ooooooooooooh, hmm that might make sense.

That still leaves the Creature thing up in the air, unless he's lying

[Lady Lambdadelta]

none of this makes sense...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

the more I look at it the more I think some kind of redirector is the ONLY FEASIBLE way any of this is possible.

So.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Creature

I'm honestly of the opinion that Creature being a town RB and being RB'd by a scum RB is more than just an outside chance.

But it's not like we're under pressure, and Occam's Razor is about where I'm at.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah I was thinking if LLD is scum and rolestopped camn N1 it's still possible for creature to not be lying. But it makes more sense that camn messed up his claim hoping we'd believe that him being roleblocked would still make him visible.

If you look at the intent and order of events that occured, you should be able to understand why this is far less likely than a second RB.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The only thing I want to discuss right now is, why Mollie instead of LLD? The only reason killing Mollie makes any sense is if one of the claimed VTs isn't a VT, and if that's the case, then Creature (however unlikely) would be town.

They cannot kill me as long as I rolestop myself, as far as I understand it from the mods.

The rolestop prevents the RB from targetting me.

the only time the RB can prevent my action is if I target someone else.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't think I should disclose which of the two I performed last night, incase it gives future insight into the mafia outguessing me.

I can claim it and my reasons if you want me to but it's better this way I think?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And SS I'm not taking your scumread on me seriously since you've literally never townread me before lol

uhh

I have a town read on SC, because of McMenno's early bizzare vote on Kappy very early in the game, it didn't look like scum bussing.
More like opportunistic scum McMenno soft targeting Kappy.

And I didn't scum read you in Bloodborne either.
What are you talking about?

~Ss

You were in bloodborne?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: LLD
this still feels like town creature, LLD doesn't feel like they are trying to solve the game

I've already said what I feel needs saying.

This game, among others has demoralized me.

My fiancee got site banned and couldn't complete the game with me.

So forgive me if I'm less than enthusiastic.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So now scum come out of the woodworks, claiming the only way things happened is if I'm scum, hiding their own roleblocker which is the

only thing that makes sense with the roles that have flipped

.

And we lose.

Like think about the town's Power roles and now think about how they interact with a rolestopper.

Watcher: Literal inverse of a tracker, because in order to prevent a watcher from getting a result, I'd need to target the person that would die... which would prevent their death.

Roleblocker: Unless I target myself, I'm not immune to his role, unlike other roleblockers, who cannot role block each other because their actions resolve simultaneously.

Day Vig: while I can prevent night targets, I can't do the same for day targets. So the unlimited Day vig circumvents that too.

Now think about my role as town against a scum roleblocker, a scum follower and probably something else.

I'm essentially a slightly better doctor, who can protect people from being discovered as PRs or blocked at night as long as I'm not blocked myself.

Now you tell me which of these fucking scenarios is more likely.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Sorry Creature I stopped listening to my gut and convinced myself you were scum.

The only reason I can think that RM was killed over me (since nobody argued I'm basically conftown) is because scum feared LLD's rolestop. That makes LLD town, or scum want us to think that..
Does anyone have a good idea of who is scum? Like a really really strong idea? Otherwise we should no-lynch today.

GI was the most town I've seen him in years so yes, I'm fairly certain you're town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No you're both scum

lmfao ok

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Are we forgetting the whole "one of them has to be lying" thing?

Except I don't have to be if scum have a Roleblocker.

Which is what I'm explaining

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do we have any proof of a scum roleblocker? As far as claims go, LLD, you're the last PR standing.

I'm town so there has to be one?

Like, how hard is it for people to lie? There's a scum informed person. How much you wanna bet they knew about the rolestopper and roleblocker roles the town had?

Now how much you wanna bet that they knew not to claim RB so that Creature would get lynched and this false duality would occur?

Like, think about it, seriously.

What motivation do I have for targetting anyone but myself Night 1? Ask yourself that!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It just doesn't add up dude and I know that there has to be another explination because my role didn't cause what happened.

So it means someone ELSE'S role who is LYING caused it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you look at balance of the game

If you look at the motivations for actions

If you look at the roles that have flipped and thus the way things occurred.

You'll see I have to be town here.

And the biggest question of all: If I had targetted Katsuki N1, why wouldn't I have just claimed it? It would have prevented a Katsuki lynch and kept scum alive if I was the one responsible.

So like.... where's my motivation to allow that to occur?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok so who is scum LLD?

Cakes and Zulfy I think. They're distancing and Cakes is buddying me incase I manage to avoid being lynched today, so that they'll just win.

They only need 1 mislynch, and they've decided I'm it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD:

It's WIFOM. Your motivation is to be able to post exactly that post. No one with that role, real or faked, doesn't target themselves N1, and any divergence from that would be suspect.

It doesn't matter. None of your night actions have any consequence and none of your night actions have any provable outcomes. Neither is Cakey's. Neither is a possible scum roleblocker. It's all WIFOM.

Right but I would have had to have had that motivation earlier on in the game, which means I'm clearly a mind reader and a seer if you think that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like it's really not all wifom. Game balance is not wifom, lmfao.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

At least LLD can name 2 scum, you could only come up with one scumread yourself. What about LLD doubts you that you could be persuaded into lynching her?

?

I've read this 5 times and I don't understand what you're saying

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That was at Cakes, I wanna know what makes him open to voting you

I don't think it's LLD either but I could be convinced on that possibly.

Ah, I see.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok so who is scum LLD?

Cakes and Zulfy I think. They're distancing and Cakes is buddying me incase I manage to avoid being lynched today, so that they'll just win.

They only need 1 mislynch, and they've decided I'm it.

How am I trying to lynch you lol

That was at Cakes, I wanna know what makes him open to voting you

I don't think it's LLD either but I could be convinced on that possibly.

Just saying.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah I just keep being annoyed with the N1-thing and the only explanation

with the information we have available

is that you rolestopped camn. It annoys me because it's the only thing holding me back to completely and unconditionally townreading you at this point and that sucks. So I want my strongest scumread to explain why he might want to lynch you.

Has it ever occurred to you that scum lie?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Against whom?

She's not fighting. She's not presenting other targets.

Exactly what ammunition is she gathering?

This is straight bullshit.

I said it's fucking Zulfy and Cakes.

I've said what happened.

How in the fuck am I supposed to convince morons who are convinced something fucking happened that didn't?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So how did scum guess to rb(target) creature? They know what roles are in the game (presumably) but not who had them. Did creature soft his role early on? I also have a hard time believing there are 2 roleblockers but if this is the kind of game where roles and alignments were assigned separately I could see maybe a scum jk or something. So far the roles that flipped were fairly normal so I also think redirector or bus driver would be less likely.

I have no idea, why are you asking me to explain how scum were thinking? maybe they were PR hunting, IDFK.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nice ATE. Come on, LLD. you swear at me I'm just going to lynch you.

I'll play however the fuck I want, and like, if you make your decisions on that I can't control if you throw the fucking game away.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD why the fuck did you not replace out yet?

I hate replacing out, even when I'm apathetic.

I kind of reserve that for last resort or emergency.

As it was, the later the game went, the more I felt an obligation not to have someone replace into my slot.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Igneel why the fuck do you sign up for games and then lurk the hell out of it?

I thought we were dead for like 2 day phases
VOTE: LLD
Why would LLD not present that possibility yesterday. This seems really similar to LLD's scumplay lategame in PYP6 and it seems suspicious that people are veering away from her now that it was basically a conf 1v1 yesterday.
I would also be up for lynching Cakez, as most scumteams seem to lead to him. Pretty sure last two scum are in Zulfy/Cakez/LLD
-RM

I did present this possibility yesterday, dude.

I fucking talked about it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How DGB died?

Rememebr when I talked about clarifications on Roleblocker stuff?

Guess when I asked about that.

Creature said he rb'ed Cakes n2 so why did your action fail? Or is creature lying?

Do you think a scum roleblocker would claim roleblocker after my claim?

Look at the number of PRs in this game, and excluding that a few of these claims are almost certainly scum, what do you think scum need to even remotely stand a chance?

To be more clear, I think that one of the VT claims (or possibly one of our role claims) is a Scum RB.

And I think Creature is town.

Though I do have ??? questions for creature, because DGB CONFIRMED that Katuski was seen to visit Masquerade N1.

Which is set in stone.

so if Creature really did RB Kats, how is that possible ???

because otherwise I can't like, wrap my head around the Creature claim.

Katsuki is confirmed to have been seen visiting Masquerade that night.

If Kats was RB'd, that shouldn't have occured, right?

Mod, if a player is RB'd is their action still seen by a watcher?

Vote: Creature

I'm honestly of the opinion that Creature being a town RB and being RB'd by a scum RB is more than just an outside chance.

But it's not like we're under pressure, and Occam's Razor is about where I'm at.

Like, come on dude.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Cakes

I'm confident in this, so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Massive vote LLD with me.

Look at this scum fuck squirm.

He's afraid that town has suddeny gotten on the right track and is now lynching Cakes, and might make the right choice RE: Me vs. him tomorrow.

So he wants to end the game today by lynching me.

What a joke.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Massive vote LLD with me.

Look at this scum fuck squirm.

He's afraid that town has suddeny gotten on the right track and is now lynching Cakes, and might make the right choice RE: Me vs. him tomorrow.

So he wants to end the game today by lynching me.

What a joke.

Pretty sure you're scum.

UNVOTE:

I'm really really not and you've got your blinders on.

Like, you need to look at how Zulfy and Cakes are interacting with each other.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's funny how zulfy asked massive to vote lld with him but is not asking that of cakes while cakes has said he can be convinced to lynch her.
They thought we'd lynch LLD after creature flipped town. Zulfy started it and cakes has been waiting to hammer and posturing into scumreading her all day long just to change his read on the right time. Notice how he went back to more townleaning on her when it became clear she wasn't going to be lynched any time soon?

LISTEN TO THIS MAN PLEASE GOD.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LIKE SOMEONE IS SPEAKING SENSE, FINALLY.

HOPE IS REAL.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Geeze I should parse that huh

Massive and I are almost conftown.

But only if Cakez isnt scum.
If Cakez is scum then one of us is the partner.
Look at my scumreads' reads now heheh.

What in the unholy fuck is this shit?

PRESSURE'S MOUNTING, WHELP BETTER TRY AND CLAIM MYSELF AS CONFIRMED TOWN.

WHAT THE FUCK CONFIRMS YOU?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ANSWER: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

[Lady Lambdadelta]

"look at my scumread's reads now teehee I'm so townie look at me they're all so stupid I can't believe it's this easy to win as scum teehee"

CAN WE NOT LOSE TO THIS CHEEKY SCUM FUCK?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

WHERE IS MY ANSWER ZULFY?

WHAT CONFIRMS YOU AS TOWN?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

YOU ARE REFUSING TO ANSWER ME?

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?

I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO BE CLEAR THA TYOU DON'T HAEV AN ANSWER BECAUSE THERE ISN'T oNE AND YOU'RE FUCKING CAUGHT YEAH?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

so I'm being stonewalled by scum who is hoping to just strong arm my lynch.

Like, does no one else see that?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But Igneel voted lld fot a while today so why can they bus and not cakes?
an someone on pc check if I'm rememberung correctly igneel unvoted lld and vited nolynch right around where suspicion was building up on her again?

Or maybe, just maybe, scum tend to give away their own tendencies?

Zulfy's talking about not bussing in MYLO because he won't vote Cakes.

It's ridiculous.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Igneel

[Lady Lambdadelta]

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Eyyyyyyyy lmaoooo

EYYYYYYYYYYYY LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOo

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yay i won!

what?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

dead thread please mod <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This was a fun game folks, let's do it again some time.

~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Watcher being able to see roleblocked players visit kinda screwed me.

Katsuki seemed to think it screwed him too so I suppose it balanced out here. :S

Well it fucked Camnstuki, Creature AND me, given I had to argue from the position of the "hidden mystery roleblocker" so...

yeah I'd say town benefited.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What won scum is that they killed the players willing to play leaving players like Zulfy, Igneel and massive to do the rest for them.

yes well that is the privilege of the scum to kill players who hurt our game state, so?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oh, and it's laughable that Hiplop "Scumread" Cakes and I.

Like, buddy, you shot 2 obv town people and then died. Thanks for making this game really simple for us.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like I kinda wanna talk a bit about how Hiplop shot two townies, lowering our mislynch threshold by one, and then got shot like a chump.

It was just like.... so so so helpful. Imagine if we had to mislynch ANOTHER person after today's lynch?

Crazy~.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I pointed out Igneel was town, not sure why nobody picked up on that.

I said Igneel was town all game.

Cakes and I jsut split the town today, I bussed the shit out of him and then once the timing was right he refused to lynch me and put his vote park on Igneel who had opened up as a mislynch.

And it was just time at that point.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fate and SnowStorm were being unreadable anyway.

Like Glork, massive, Zulfy, Igneel.

oh my sweet jesus no.

Fate was so fucking town this game, lmfao.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD is a slippery one, though.

its all AtE.

Please believe this for every game we play together~.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD is a slippery one, though.

its all AtE.

Please believe this for every game we play together~.

Can you name a scum game you haven't done AtE when everyone was pushing you?

Can you name a town game where the same isn't true~?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD is a slippery one, though.

its all AtE.

Please believe this for every game we play together~.

Can you name a scum game you haven't done AtE when everyone was pushing you?

Can you name a town game where the same isn't true~?

Never seen you actually roll town tbh.

Then clearly I must always be scum, right by'~?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Then clearly I must always be scum, right by'~?

Nope, but I will always push a lynch on you if I see you do a LLD anger rant.
Wouldn't care if you flipped town.

and you saying this is all I will ever need for you to never be able to lynch me.

:3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What an undeserved bullshit victory.

LLD should have been mod killed for bringing personal life into the game for sympathy.

L
M
F
A
O

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What won scum is that they killed the players willing to play leaving players like Zulfy, Igneel and massive to do the rest for them.

yes well that is the privilege of the scum to kill players who hurt our game state, so?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

it still makes me laugh that people think emotions mean nothing in mafia, it's like.... you understand you're a worse player as a result right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I know, right!
Although, I am onboard with an LLD policy lynch.
Sweetie, watching your scum game recently.....it's terrifying. You are too good to leave alive.

So cruel~ D:

Thanks though, it's a big compliment coming from you so I'm humbled.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD is a slippery one, though.

She's really not

Her poses/votes throughout D1 were opportunistic, and didn't appear to come from a town mindset. I pointed this out repeatedly, and even GreyICE at one point said something to the effect of "I think she's scum but I'm going to wind up defending her because I like her." And that's exactly what happened. LLD is very readable, the town just failed to do so, for the most part.

I mean you get to say this all you want but I got you lynched without losing any real towncred so...

It's not llike you were nightkilled and ignored.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not trying to take credit away from you, LLD, you obviously played quite well and carried the team to victory!

I'm just saying, nobody is unreadable, and maybe some people just need to learn how to scumhunt different players in different ways.

Ok that I 100% agree with. I think everyone can be read and lynched.