The Walking Dead Season 1 Finale (GAME OVER)

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Catdog

Also LA until the 10th, I'll still try to post

[Wisdom]

FB, cakez and beeboy look town on a skim

[Wisdom]

17. Wisdom - 127 - What's with this quiet play? I've never seen this before from you.

127 is not mine, but anyway I'm v/la

[Wisdom]

VOTE: mollie

fwiw I've been trying to post this before the last four posts

[Wisdom]

Also Kuroi is town

[Wisdom]

I don't have any strong thoughts on them.

[Wisdom]

Magna town
beeboy still town
Kuroi still town
Cakez still town

i dont like hebichan's reaction to Kuroi
i dont like mollie

[Wisdom]

I like Xkfyu for town

this too,i forgot

[Wisdom]

Yes, scumcakez

please stop

[Wisdom]

eta: is wis still allowed to lurch by?

still vla and my phone had a swim so deal with it

[Wisdom]

I still like my vote

[Wisdom]

How is it different than any other kuroi approach

[Wisdom]

why is YAW scum again?

[Wisdom]

being difficult to work with is a scumtell?

this whole case is weak

[Wisdom]

nah

[Wisdom]

dont ask me, i always townread him

[Wisdom]

pushing activity is not a towntell

[Wisdom]

VOTE: hebi

[Wisdom]

Im not on your wagon

[Wisdom]

And i think you know me a little better than to assume no effort means im scum, no?

[Wisdom]

Funny enough I see Kurbio twisting what Hebichan is saying many times over. Don't think it's weird at all, just meant to make hebichan look bad.

neh that's just typical kuroi being kuroi

[Wisdom]

her reads look pretty good to me

[Wisdom]

why are you confused that I would scum-read her for this?

you're not voting her though

[Wisdom]

except for the part where he's already voting YAW

[Wisdom]

sure, if you don't mind me sheeping people myself

[Wisdom]

maybe they just have a gut read and they cant explain it? you don't have to act like it's black and white

[Wisdom]

again, lack of effort means fuckall for me

[Wisdom]

good luck

[Wisdom]

Wisdom's question to me is very difficult to answer since it's so vague and open-ended. Very small addition is that it's a meta-type question, which he should be aware I don't put much stock into unless I believe I have a good shot at reading someone accurately based on it.

It was not a question meant to be answered. It was more me informing you youre pushing lynchbait (or if you had played with him and knew that, you could tell me whats different here)

[Wisdom]

Wisdom's response to the case picks at the most vague point in a way that makes any answer easier to dismiss, but just outright dismisses the rest. This is the main one that caught my eye, since I can see this one being scum-motivated the most out of all three.

I picked the one that caught my eye as most ridiculous; the rest was equally awful confbias

[Wisdom]

Wisdom's final post has the same type of tone as the second one; it's a weird observation to point out since Maxous has been adamant in scumreading YAW, who he is already voting for.

True;combined with the previous post, this is me essentially telling maxous to vote hebichan and stop voting YAW for awful reaaons

Youre not necessarily wrong in that im trying to affect the game to my liking, youre wrong in that it makes me scum

[Wisdom]

As for wisdom, do a word count and get back to me.

Remind me to wall when i roll scum against you

[Wisdom]

I kinda think mollie is scum but gonna keep that in the back of my mind

lets lynch YAW?

no
But mollie might be scum yeah

[Wisdom]

VOTE: kuroi

Not feeling the hebichan lynch anymore

[Wisdom]

Still not sold on YAW Wisdom?

stop tunneling

[Wisdom]

Bbt youre better than this shallow tunneling

[Wisdom]

far I wld just like to point out that wis has been hard defending kuroi all game and called me scum for calling kuroi scum.

a+ stretching of reality

[Wisdom]

Why? Youre acting just like her

[Wisdom]

(Except shes actually voting scum)

[Wisdom]

Youre right, mindlessly tunneling is less boring

[Wisdom]

nah

[Wisdom]

intent

you have one more post to make

[Wisdom]

Wisdom might be another place I’d go given the hop off Hebi earlier.

fwiw I'm pretty sure I'd have pushed a counterwagon if I was her buddy and I decided I didn't want to bus her anymore

[Wisdom]

oh, I missed the context then

[Wisdom]

but wait, how is the hebi hop off relevant then? You think I'm the type of scum who tries to stay off wagons?

[Wisdom]

another tip for you would be to not use multiball games for scum meta

[Wisdom]

mollie stop claiming scum pls

you know i know you can read me better than this

[Wisdom]

probably, yeah

[Wisdom]

lol

[Wisdom]

VOTE: maria

izi

[Wisdom]

or perhaps on Hebichan so they can say, "Me? Scum? I was on Hebi!"

you mean like you did?

[Wisdom]

^because bbt likes to tunnel

[Wisdom]

sorry maria, next time you'll replace into a town slot maybe

[Wisdom]

^see, she didn't deny she didn't replace into a town slot

[Wisdom]

mhm

[Wisdom]

{Maria, Peregrine, Catdog, xkfyu, dgb, basic}

^scumpool

[Wisdom]

Actually probably not dgb or basic but i included them anyway

[Wisdom]

Wisdom might be another place I’d go given the hop off Hebi earlier.

fwiw I'm pretty sure I'd have pushed a counterwagon if I was her buddy and I decided I didn't want to bus her anymore

I swear this looks like scum distancing.

This looks nothing like scum distancing, sorry

[Wisdom]

Dgb because i dont think she plays like that while a buddy is being lynched but im not extremely confident

You because i isod you and changed my mind

[Wisdom]

Because while looking at the playerlist i didnt remember any reason for you or TD to be town

[Wisdom]

cool

[Wisdom]

lets lynch YAW?

Also this

Youd think someone who wanted to lynch YAW would comment on the hebichan wagon which at the time had more votes than YAW, but nothing

[Wisdom]

VOTE: catdog

[Wisdom]

xkfyu gimme a reason you shouldn't be in my scumpile

[Wisdom]

^and traitor

[Wisdom]

VOTE: BBT we're pretty happy with this for now though.

why?

[Wisdom]

bbt if you continue tunneling on them ill vote you too

[Wisdom]

also dont you dare try and take credit for the hebi wagon when you kept shouting for YAW's head all day

[Wisdom]

VOTE: BBT we're pretty happy with this for now though.

why?

1) the whole tunnel is bad and weak and he used it as an excuse to not engage everyone else
2) this doesn't feel like his town game; as town he doesn't say much but he actually tries to figure stuff out instead of just tunneling
3) his stance on the hebi wagon is awful; it's basically "yeah, hebi is scum but I won't vote her; instead I'll vote and push her cw"
-smart

What about his claim?

[Wisdom]

How do you feel about it? You think he's lying?

[Wisdom]

I think BBT does whatever he thinks he needs to avoid being lynched. (Plus, it would be easy for him to change his claim to 2- or 3-shot later and say he claimed 1-shot to avoid being killed.)
-smart

He's not under pressure though, there was no need for him to do that

[Wisdom]

^awful selfmeta

[Wisdom]

I just got to fight harder

if what you're doing is "hard fighting" i dont wanna imagine how you play when you're aloof

[Wisdom]

VOTE: maria

[Wisdom]

Go look at his play in Game of Thrones. he was a lot more engaging and had solid opinions on people.

This is an unreasonable comparison, compare with his recent town games instead

[Wisdom]

unless you meant Radja's one which you probably did, in which case nvm (I was thinking of Elyse's)

[Wisdom]

I wish I knew how to read Cakez

Everytime I defend him he ends up being scum and when I finally decide he has to be scum and even vig him, he flips town

[Wisdom]

It doesn't feel fake at all

[Wisdom]

VOTE: cakez

[Wisdom]

Whether it was smart doesn't really matter. I'm not changing my read because of the claim.

that's silly though. You have to consider whether he'd reasonably do it or not as scum
The answer is probably not

[Wisdom]

VOTE: maria

[Wisdom]

VOTE: cakez

maria's point isn't that bad actually

[Wisdom]

hey maria, it turns out you can made decent points when you try

wanna read the game instead of making annoying posts? we'll all be happier

[Wisdom]

Why are you encouraging him? Its not hard for scum to pick apart a case

You should be asking him to scumhunt instead of conveniently omgus

Pedit: @Maria

[Wisdom]

Cakez. Who is scum. Other than Catdog.

[Wisdom]

^in simpler terms, Cakez should be understanding why UTL is scumreading him instead of dubbing it impossible and fake

[Wisdom]

It doesnt feel like a thing scum would make up

Even if it wasnt your intention, im pretty sure UTL felt thats what you were doing there

[Wisdom]

@Kuroi UpTooLate, head of CatDog

[Wisdom]

mollie do something useful with your vote

[Wisdom]

803/804 looks really bad with the hebi scumflip)

I dont agree, why does a hebi buddy vote then unvote? A hebi buddy reads the whole thing and calls hebi town, assuming that was the end goal

[Wisdom]

Your other scumreads arent that bad though

[Wisdom]

VOTE: xkfyu

Do this instead, give mollie one last chance to untunnel me

[Wisdom]

Regarding Ank, there is a trajectory on hebi before his vote (not that it cant be bussing)

And his town game isnt very different than his scum one, sadly

[Wisdom]

gunsmith

Basically DGB is town unless shes mafia doctor or mafia traitor

[Wisdom]

Im glad
Now can you stop being buldermar and do useful things?

[Wisdom]

I don't like mollie.

Also the top 3 wagons are bad.

[Wisdom]

{Xkfyu, mollie, Peregrine, Maria}

[Wisdom]

What's wrong with SC wagon wisdom?

it's on town

[Wisdom]

I've townread him 2 out of 3 times he has been scum so consider me not very confident

[Wisdom]

Which read?

I'm nulltown on Ank

[Wisdom]

happy cake xkfyu

[Wisdom]

Maria who is scum other than Cakez?

[Wisdom]

if she survives to endgame and wins ill laugh

[Wisdom]

Maria you did way more than this active lurking and sheeping generic reads in your completed town games. If you don't start actually playing I am going to votepark on you for good.

[Wisdom]

good

VOTE: maria

This isn't moving until I start seeing effort from you

[Wisdom]

For whoever cares;

In this game, Maria (xSoniaNevermindx) replaced in on page 52. Compare how she handled that here vs there.

[Wisdom]

All you can do is 1303?

[Wisdom]

What do you think about mollie?

[Wisdom]

Or, you know, BBT lied. Why isn’t that possibility on your radar at all? I mean it seems less likely but shouldn’t be dismissed.

Why does BBT come out and fakeclaim that while under no pressure whatsoever?

[Wisdom]

because many people out their results at daystart

It wasn't necessarily the best play but it makes sense as town, it doesn't as scum

[Wisdom]

young & witless might be scum white knighting SirCakez

I just realized it was Maxous that got this shit in BBT's head and it's making me dislike him

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Mollie The spat between Mollie and Kuroi looks very forced and Mollies comes across as arrogant, with fluff questions that aren't doing anything to advance the game. Kuroi's reaction on the otherhand is pretty similar to how I imagine I would react and so I'm tentatively listing Kuroi as town.

I also like BBT's point about YAW, but I like my vote better on Mollie.

they aren't fluff questions.

like your interpretation is forced cos you are having to make shit up about what you THINK that I am saying instead of just asking me, "hey mollie, what was the point of that question" god I fucking hate this game sometimes.

Also this is awful

Much like Sircakez recently, mollie here dubs an attack on her forced because it's unthinkable that Maverick just expressed his interpretation of mollie's actions

I actually like Maverick's couple of posts here

[Wisdom]

Oh, for whoever is worrying about Ankamius; the way hebi treats beeboy in pages 14-15 makes me pretty sure beeboy is town

[Wisdom]

Also I like how mollie takes zero issue with hebi's bullshit vote on her while pushing Kuroi - compare with her reaction to Maverick voting her or Cakez voting her recently

[Wisdom]

why are you confused that I would scum-read her for this?

you're not voting her though

ding ding

I've no idea why I ever townread Maxous

VOTE: maxous

[Wisdom]

Talk to me about them, I'm in the process of rereading D1

[Wisdom]

I feel like you're very non-commital this game Mollie.

Top 3 town and scum reads?

I have you, vedithfire, farside, perv, mebbe mav?, ank and magna for town. I think I am liking td for town altho I am very unsure about that. yaw and wis for scum and I am still trying to sort every1 else.

Noting molie's absence of read on hebi here

[Wisdom]

I feel better about Maria after reading Maverick's attacks on mollie - they were more or less what I was thinking about mollie at the time. Maria being lazy is annoying but it's not AI sadly.

CatDog's explanation on her Cakez read felt good - I am not thaat confident they're town, but they aren't a priority anymore

The other three we agree on, though I can't really read Peregrine

[Wisdom]

Sure. Vote Maxous with us in the meanwhile.

[Wisdom]

Do you see anything town in his posts?

[Wisdom]

Show me a better one.

Also I still want an opinion on mollie from you.

[Wisdom]

no I meant a better lynch

[Wisdom]

He's null an okay lynch but I bet if I looked there'd be better ones.

[Wisdom]

If you think max and mollie are scum too why no push to explain those scum reads?

ding ding

[Wisdom]

@something smart

: is there a specific reason you keep asking questions that you don't care what the answer is or if it's answered at all?

i don't see you doing in this previous town games. I actually checked

Oh! Me! Me! Me! I got the answer!

hey look, yet another instance of BBT getting manipulated by Maxous

[Wisdom]

Like, 772 can't be any more loaded

[Wisdom]

Mollie isn’t getting lynched today. Join the Hebi wagon and lynch scum and I’ll help you out on Mollie tomorrow if she isn’t dead or Mod confirmed overnight.

reminding Magna that this needs to happen

[Wisdom]

I had max/hebichan scum team since I reread something funky.
Example was how max says he could vote hebichan but doesn't.
Mollie also is in this pile of association.
The interaction with mollie was awfyl

oh hey farside has me beat a long time now

never again I am going to be content with skimming D1 again

[Wisdom]

Reread finished

Maxous and mollie are scum

Peregrine prolly isn't scum given Maxous trying to paint him as a hebi buddy (also did it to Basic) - but that requires Maxous to flip scum first

Dunno who the fourth is. I need to reexamine the Cakez/CatDog thing sometime because the fourth is probably in there. Anyway not the priority

Let's hang Maxous and mollie.

[Wisdom]

nah

[Wisdom]

Your posts are manipulative in order to get people to get on YAW and leave hebi alone

[Wisdom]

Ok … at least I know where to proceed from at this point.

what is your read on him?

I thought his cross posting with you looked townish but wis has never misread me, the only time he thought that I was scum when I wasn't he was scum. it is 1 of the handful of times I got mislynched and it was cos he shoved my wagon through much like how he is in this gamer. he was lynched the next day round but kuroi went on to win the game. he really really feels like scum here.

lol now im scum again?

[Wisdom]

why wld I soft claim on d1 under no pressure?

You didn't claim like BBT did, it's different. Also you were under pressure.

[Wisdom]

you're funny though, when you think I might be close to townreading you you say I'm town, and when you see I am still scumreading you you're back to scumreading me

[Wisdom]

fuck up what? Explain to me why Maxous is town?

[Wisdom]

I have already

[Wisdom]

Yes i agree
Hebi had you and maxous as scumreads yet didnt care to push you or make you appear scummy unlike her other scunreads (yaw and kuroi)

[Wisdom]

mhm

[Wisdom]

Not why im scumreading you. Youre stretching again

[Wisdom]

I think your read on max is baseless,

lol ok
Go sit in your corner while we lynch your buddy and then its your turn

[Wisdom]

Hebichan, here's what I don't get, why is YAW a scum read.
In your own words.
If you think max and mollie are scum too why no push to explain those scum reads?

Yeah mollie this is clearly talking to kuroi

[Wisdom]

Mollie wagon please jump on Maxous, thanks

[Wisdom]

If Mollie flips scum then Max is a highly likely buddy.

Max is already a very highly likely buddy for hebi, you dont need mollie to flip

[Wisdom]

Im lazy, its in the thread

[Wisdom]

Sure

[Wisdom]

I dont think so

Firstly i agree with magna that scum wouldnt bus their ninja willingly

And then it probably looks weird to you because of kuroi's weird posting style

Im pretty sure Kuroi is town here

[Wisdom]

Because Maxous is scummier

[Wisdom]

zzz

Explain why Maxous is town with a non "because Wisdom says hes scum" argument

[Wisdom]

mollie can be like that as town

[Wisdom]

And im feeling that youre a likely max buddy trying to go for mollie tbh

[Wisdom]

wanting to keep a special alive until d3 seems town to me.

Thats not town. Thats just sheeping what everyone is saying.

[Wisdom]

I have liked his pushes and I have liked what he has said.

Such as? His awful YAW case? His manipulation on BBT? His desperate attempts to get YAW lynched over hebi while claiming hes scumreading hebi? What have you liked exactly?

[Wisdom]

Add painting Peregrine and Basic as hebi buddies before hebi even flipped to the things you probably liked

[Wisdom]

mollie can be like that as town

This game comes to mind

[Wisdom]

That didnt answer what you liked from him

Because you dont actually like anything he posted, youre just antagonizing me

[Wisdom]

quote them?

[Wisdom]

I wish you voted max

[Wisdom]

Also you still didnt give an opinion on mollie. You voted her, but why?

[Wisdom]

Ank, sheep Magna and me on Maxous. mollie is mollie.

[Wisdom]

I am not trying to antagonize you. you are trying to get me emotionally wound up cos dummies always think it is scummy.

Take a step back and realize im telling people to vote Max over you. Is that in the script?

[Wisdom]

Maria is going back to the scumpile

[Wisdom]

Right now im seeing Maxous/Maria/Cakez

[Wisdom]

Youre not voting maxous so youre not bussing him

[Wisdom]

Youre not voting maxous so youre not bussing him

On a scale of 1-10 how hard d you sr him

Thats a pointless question

[Wisdom]

10

[Wisdom]

yes

[Wisdom]

Why the interest in how im reading mollie?

[Wisdom]

if you're town-reading Hebi at the 11'th hour, is there a specific reason you're not telling us why??

@Basic Here, loaded question that paves the way for scumreading you later

[Wisdom]

hey BBT, wanna vote scum instead of their counterwagons today?

[Wisdom]

NO1 DIED. THIS IS NOT THAT HARD.

wait what?

You claimed you had nothing to do with the fact no1 died, now you're changing your story?

[Wisdom]

no1 is more surprised than I am that there was no nk. I am pretty sure I shld be dead for a cple of reasons.

[Wisdom]

What am I misunderstanding? Cakez said nothing resolved and mollie said "no1 died, it's not that hard" as if assuming that was what resolved

[Wisdom]

btw again, kuroi is like that as town, you're just voting a playstyle

[Wisdom]

Maxous needs rope

[Wisdom]

Thats not a loaded question at all

[Wisdom]

try to find out Wis's alignment and lynch Max.

This is sounding really fake. You cant find out my alignment via lynching Max.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Maria

I think i prefer this after all

[Wisdom]

mollie.

In 1042 you claimed you had nothing to do with the lack of nightkill.

In 1477 you seem to imply you *did* have something to do with it.

I can buy theres a misunderstanding somewhere but whats for sure is that the two of those looked like you were changing your story. Therefore you cant blame cakez for seeing it that way.

[Wisdom]

YAW's last post singlehandedly makes me completely disinterested in a Maxous wagon.

YAW's last post singlehandedly makes me completely disinterested in a Maxous wagon.

I felt that too.

Vote: sc

YAW is very likely town
Not following this

This. If anything, its Maria whos making me doubt my Maxous read. YAW is town.

[Wisdom]

Primarily because of this right here:

In post 1524, Young and Witless wrote:
@everyone voting SirCakez: do you see him as a potential partner to Maxous? If so, why not vote Maxous?

Whats wrong with that? There are people like xkfyu who agree that Maxous needs rope yet respond with "yeah but cakez does too". Its a valid point.

[Wisdom]

Are you not reading? She keeps implying that a Maxous townflip somehow means im scum.

[Wisdom]

Like, thats either ridiculously shallow thinking or lining up lynches, and shes not dumb so its not the former

[Wisdom]

Maria, explain to me how being confident in a scumread means im scum if its wrong

[Wisdom]

The problem is that in half of her posts she presents arguments Maxous is scum, namely she is scumreading him, then in the other half she presents it as an information lynch to get a read on me.

[Wisdom]

So explain to me what info youll get with a maxous flip

[Wisdom]

So say he flips town. Why does that make me scum?

[Wisdom]

VOTE: maxous

k

[Wisdom]

I think i keep having issues with your playstyle and im not about to let it distract me from a scumlynch

[Wisdom]

Like, its ridiculous to lynch for info but i can accept that given where youre coming from

As its ridiculous to think that just because im very confident in pushing a lynch im the opposite alignment of who im pushing

[Wisdom]

Sheep me on maxous and we'll see about mollie tomorrow

[Wisdom]

Look for Magna's case if you want a case

You know i dont case

[Wisdom]

What sircakez question?

[Wisdom]

farside: I dont really remember why i voted kuroi. Most likely the other game i was playing at the time (game of thrones) had tired me because i couldnt find the last scum and i decided i was wrong in giving a pass to kuroi there and then when i was skimming here kuroi felt similar to there so i voted him here too

This probably isnt easy to understand which is why i wanted to avoid but since youre insisting. Basically my head wasnt really in this game until d2, i was just skimmimg which i rarely do.

As for hebi, it was some post or other that i thought i liked so i unvoted. Like i told magna, no way i do that as her buddy without strongly pushing a counterwagon, so you really dont have to worry about me

[Wisdom]

And if i did try to save her i would push a counterwagon, not vanity vote

[Wisdom]

Its not my first game with him

[Wisdom]

Nope, were gettirlng rid of you

[Wisdom]

Because meta and gut

And i explained to you why i voted him, idc if you get it or not

[Wisdom]

^scumposting

[Wisdom]

Its not crap filled, you just cant understand my thought process and i dont care to explain it further

[Wisdom]

I am STILL waiting for you to answer my question on cake boy

What question