Street Fighter Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Varsoon]

Checking in.
I've been really sick/busy/etc. for the last few days and it's finally slowing down but, on the flip side, I have a ton to do with my own game and some other meat-world issue to resolve.
Things that bum me out: Beeboy and I didn't roll masons.
Things that cheer me up: Maybe I can lynch Beeboy and he'll flip scum?

Regardless, just bold stuff at me, but I haven't read anything yet, so I'm not going to lay a vote or really have anything to comment on. Honestly, I might have to V/LA through the weekend? We'll see.

[Varsoon]

Dat beefboy.
<3 Titus.

But yeah
VOTE: Ranger
It's all G.

[Varsoon]

Nero, why is Tiphane Death acting like you sold them on the Suzune wagon?

[Varsoon]

Why is the Hollywood wagon so popular again? Can someone explain it to me like I am a child?

Also, ayyy DGB, I'm settling in after a big move AND I'm moderating Bloodborne Mafia. You wanna try moderating that game? It's a nightmare! Dohohoho, that's a pun no one gets

[Varsoon]

Oh, this won't get confusing at all.

[Varsoon]

"Varsoon, sign up for all these games with the same player sets"
"Varsoon, I know you're only half-paying attention to these games, hope that doesn't just make them all bleed into a single mess"
"Varsoon, why are you talking to yourself"

These sorts of things perturb me.
But seriously, dunno why, in one page, BrianHollywoo got, like, a bunch'a votes. Did everyone get some memo to pressure him down? Should I be there? I feel like I'm excluded in a weird way and if I show up, it might be, like, wearing no costume at the costume party, because I only just heard there was a party and no one formally invited me and told me it was a costume party, fuck you anthony, you asshole, you should've told me it was a costume party, I felt like a rube

[Varsoon]

And yeah that's a Bojack Horseman reference, you guys should check it out.
God I'm so cool.

[Varsoon]

It never happened to me, that's a story, it's what I do; I write fiction

Really though, someone hit me with the deets of why this wagon is happening?

[Varsoon]

But why?

[Varsoon]

Dunnstral stole my pagetop so I'll have to wait another ~22 posts to give you that reason, Beeboy.

Alternatively, I think the fact I'm here now and I'm planting my feet is good enough?
But ayy fuck it if you wanna scumread me, do so, I need a fight sometimes.

[Varsoon]

Dunn and Varsoon: what do you think of Suzune?

The Hollywood wagon is a thing 'cause like his posts really suck and he's lurky.

I don't think of Suzune. Which might be a problem, because Suzune usually leaves an impression on me. A vague impression, but it's still more than the nothing I've got so far.

VOTE: prophalaxis

Gonna sheep the big dog and be outright about it.

[Varsoon]

That's fine, too.
Although Beeboy's here and chatting and stuff and I don't know if a flame under his ass will do anything to make him squeal, whereas
Prophaver is just not and needs to come back with like L-1 amount of votes so I can taste his sweat.

[Varsoon]

ha losers got a pagetop again somehow

pls no
don't start

[Varsoon]

Let's not and say we did.

Seriously, though, Beeboy, what's your take on the game right now?

@Dunnstral:
Fuckin pagetops.doc

[Varsoon]

@Anti: why does a50 need death?

Dunnstral slot is probably town.
DGB, Titus and Heat are all town.

Brian Hollywood and Kappy are scum.

Th'fuck is a Kappy?

Explain your Heat and Titus reads?

Are you saying Dunnstral is town just to alleviate some of that Dunnstral pressure that no one is feeling right now? :3

P-EDIT:
Oh garsh everyone said what I was gonna say but not as cool.

[Varsoon]

@Antihero: Sometimes I like when people explain why they're all voting for someone within a page's space. Especially since most those votes come naked. It reeks of scum jumping on somewhere when the getting was good. It's important to look at those sorts of pools. Even if Brian Hollywood is scum (probably not the case given the wagon activity, tbh), questioning the people who flocked to it like flies on fresh shit is a good way to pin down who's where in the whole scope of things.

Explain your Heat and Titus reads?

I did silly.

Do it again, yo. For me. Please.

[Varsoon]

Dude get some water and lay down a towel

[Varsoon]

Some of the wording on my role PM makes it highly unlikely that we're in multiball.
At worst, we maybe have an SK?
Regardless, I can almost confirm that there's only one scum team.

[Varsoon]

Suzune if you follow my vote I won't vote you tomorrow

Saddest tactic 2016

[Varsoon]

Suzune, what are you feeling is scum right now?

[Varsoon]

Both, I guess?
I'll be honest, I'm mostly looking to you for guidance. It feels like a lot of people are scummy here and you're one of the few townreads I actually have as of now.

[Varsoon]

What do you think is the best way to push out those null reads to get a better read on them?
How can I help with that?

[Varsoon]

I'm really hoping to get more content out of you while actually sorting out other folks. It's easier to do if people work together, is all.

[Varsoon]

I like to talk keeps me involved, draws me in. So please continue talking Varsoon.

I'll have to hit you up some other time, amigo.
It's getting late and I've got some prime netflixxin' to do.

[Varsoon]

I feel like the memes make it impossible for me to engage Titus here.
I mean, it does cure the walls on walls on walls that happen but
ugh

Also, is it just me, or were the last 10 pages just a bunch of readslists?
I just
I can't
whatever.

VOTE: Brian
I don't even want this lynch.
L-1, Claim and stuff.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon what lynch do you want?

Peregrine, Prophy, or Ranger would all be cool with me at this point.
Beeboy hasn't given me what I want and Dunnstral is pinging weird for me, but I don't know that either would validate a lynch here.


@Titus: I was faking a Post Restriction in that game, myself. I got killed early, too. We both did, iirc.
I wasn't really able to engage with it in that game, either.
I can understand your claimed reason for doing it, but it just makes it harder for me to grapple with your content in some ways.
Like, I have no clue what you stand for in this game?
Maybe it has something to do with text vs images even though your images incorporate text?

[Varsoon]

Maybe you were more explicit there?
I don't know.
I couldn't tell you why.

[Varsoon]

Beeboy, you know what I want
what I really really want

[Varsoon]

V/LA

Business

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Nosferatu
I can agree with this
cut the chaff

[Varsoon]

I like to call him crazy things, like
The Cakemeister
or CakeZilla
Or Sire Cakez

I don't know
Site being down really, really killed a lot of my (and other people's) motivation.
I forgot a lot of what was going on with this game, and then thought I remembered, and then realized I was recalling a different game.
So I have no clue.
This is the one where Titus is being meme-posty and like half the playerbase is lurkscumshits with bad ISOs, right?

Oh god am I one of them?
I'm one of them, aren't I?

[Varsoon]

That's probably a good idea.
At least, it'll give me more incentive to stick around.
I keep glossing whole pages like
"Ugh I have to read this"

[Varsoon]

Okay, let's get engaged.
Who is being wagoned?
Who is on those wagons?
Why to both of those questions.

[Varsoon]

Wait, did you out two investigatives or did antihero or.... what?
Nosferatu is probably scum, though. Dwlee looks town, but I learned to be a bit more critical of him since I got snowed in Cyberpunk.

Like I said, I welcome a wagon on me. Gives something more immediate to engage with.

[Varsoon]

That's garbage--the outed claims, I mean.
Do people think you're a scum tracker? Because Tracker is a role you can prove you have, y'know.
Especially if you just track Anti tonight (provided he isn't 1-shot or something?)
Right?

[Varsoon]

Oh, wait, what?
How?

[Varsoon]

I claimed my n1 track result.
Like no scum is crazy enough to claim tracker without being a scum tracker on day 2. >_>

Ok Titus I totally fake claimed tracker day 1 as scum and I just plan on saying my buddies actions every day.

This is why I think the wagon on you is dumb, and I don't really understand it. I've been playing with you recently and you seem far more competent than to pull something this weak as scum.

Sooo, I hate this game, because one of my biggest townreads just straight up scumslipped. I think Almost has to wait now. VOTE: Cakes

Not seeing it, fam.
Spell it out for me.

[Varsoon]

He has random filler posts pretty much all game.

Quoting this to prodge for the next two days, ayyy fuck you homedawg


On the mend, though

@Nero Cain: I can remember who is in the game, out of players that are notable to me. If you asked me right now, I could not tell you the whole playerlist without looking at it actually let me try:

Dwlee99
Nosferato
Nero Cain
Antihero
Titus
Dunnstral
Beeboy
uhhh Tiphane Death?
Suzune! Definitely Suzune.
Vedith? No. Not Vedith. Wait. Yes?
uhhhh proqoboq or something?
mmmm
Wake, right? Or House? Or neither of them?
SirCakez.

Yeah that's all that's coming to me right now, man, sorry.

[Varsoon]

Apologies to Almost50, Ranger, Fire Assassin, Nosferatu, TheWayItEnds, Kappy, PeregrineV, Prophylaxis, and Heat, who, apparently, aren't on my radar at all.

[Varsoon]

Shhhh, Nos
Shhhhh.
I'm double bad
I can't even cross-reference lists.

[Varsoon]

Yeah man it's like I said

[Varsoon]

'cus you're one of my for-sure townreads that I'm confident in.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Dunnstral
Fuck it.

[Varsoon]

Nope.

[Varsoon]

I mean no one has a serious issue if I shoot Titus right?

Do it to it.

[Varsoon]

Why?
'cus people on it aren't people I have good reads on?

[Varsoon]

Oh man it's like I'm super loose as a goose don't get me started
Anyway
Hedge bets on Titus or PV, huh?
What have fucking either of them done this game?

[Varsoon]

some peoples lurker game is strong af this game

aka prophylaxis. and ranger. and varsoon.

Bloodborne Mafia (the stupid huge dumb stressful clusterfuck of a game I was running) just ended, so I can finally actually have the presence I want elsewhere without feeling stressed for neglecting my baby.

What's good, homie?

[Varsoon]

Titus, Dunnstral (who I am voting iirc), and prophylaxis are the players I suspect the most.

I'm super tired and stressed out.
I got about 4 hours of sleep before having to get up to resolve the night phase in time for my game
So glad that game is done.

[Varsoon]

Titus, Dunnstral (who I am voting iirc), and prophylaxis are the players I suspect the most.

I'm super tired and stressed out.
I got about 4 hours of sleep before having to get up to resolve the night phase in time for my game
So glad that game is done.

You suspect me but followed me onto Dunn?

Yup!

[Varsoon]

As someone who just saw scum-ranger lurk through the entirety of Bloodborne Mafia,
VOTE: Ranger

[Varsoon]

Lynch Ranger with us then.

[Varsoon]

As someone who just saw scum-ranger lurk through the entirety of Bloodborne Mafia,
VOTE: Ranger

If I sheep you on this, do you promise we lynch both Nahdia & Klingoncelt next??

Also, I still have insight and blood echoes, so cash me out if you please.

Absolutely, I'm down for it for ever.

[Varsoon]

Nero, how are you sure this isn't scum Titus?
This actually reeks of town TD to me but my meta might be stale there.

[Varsoon]

and Varsoon might as well be scum.

Basic.

@Varsoon you really think TD has me as town then is all like "you and Prop are scum together! Oh but I'm totes reading Prop as null." joins my growing bandwagon then is all like "oh well, I never wanted you lynched anyways." Meanwhile he's not being proactive at all. And the icing on the cake? Joins the Ranger wagon when he wasn't even scumreading her.

Sounds like shitty scum in that case
Or aimless town
Oh wait

[Varsoon]

I mean, lynching me is probably a good idea, yeah.

[Varsoon]

Not really?

[Varsoon]

I'm playing the game, just not 100 posts a fucking minute like you kids.

[Varsoon]

I've offered plenty, I'm sorry that I'm not going to lie to you and conjure imaginary info.
If you want, I could easily spend an hour lying and conjuring some reads, but they wouldn't be any more true than what I've shared so far.

[Varsoon]

I've talked about plenty of players.
Your mudslinging is getting annoying.

[Varsoon]

Nero talking shit about my reads when we have pretty much the same reads makes me laugh

[Varsoon]

If being verbose is equivalent to offering content, then I can post more, but that's really lame.
I'll be posting more

anyway

because now I'm not modding the most complex game I've ever run on-site.
People running me up for a lynch based on my thin content are trying to do so before I'm able to actually conf-town myself like I usually do in these games.
Screw those people. They understand my circumstance and still push me for something that won't be an issue in a week from now.

[Varsoon]

Now i expect Varsoon to come here and discredit my whole reads list because its getting close to PoE and PoE isnt playing mafia yada yada yada

IN A CLOSED GAME, YEAH
BUT RIGHT NOW I'M VERY DEPRESSED SO I'M MORE LIKE
"WHY DON'T HUMAN BEINGS LIKE ME AS MUCH AS I LIKE THEM?"
IT'S WORTHLESS, I KNOW
I SHOULD JUST LIKE MYSELF
FUCK THE HATERS

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Titus
Is this still happening
I skipped the last 5 pages

[Varsoon]

Hahaha get wrecked scum

Nero's so confbiased it's hilarious

Comin' for you next, cutie.

[Varsoon]

I got you, didn't I?
How many buddies do you have left?

[Varsoon]

beefboy.

[Varsoon]

Didn't someone like FA or someone try to hard defend titus earlier? Maybe I'm trippin.
All I know is that I'm right and it feels so good to be right.

Also: I wish I was third party, fam.

[Varsoon]

Don't out us, Dunnstral.

[Varsoon]

Who is Luna Fox?

[Varsoon]

Oh. Prophy replacement.
Got it.

[Varsoon]

FireAssasin, one of Dwlee/Antihero/Cakez given Titus involvement. I also have a few weird feelings about Tiphane Death.
In my experience, scum-Titus doesn't like to bus and tends to chainsaw her allies.

I don't like Nero's constant campaigning against me, but a scum that does not make.

I would say that Titus' posturing makes beeboy almost certainly town but the kill reflects that.
The kill also seems to point a finger at Antihero, who, if I recall, claimed the whole semi-guilty thing on Beeboy.

What about you, Luna?

[Varsoon]

Oh, also Nosferatu, still, of course.

Honestly, there are a lot of people who voted for both Beeboy AND A50 and I don't like 'em.

[Varsoon]

I still have my suspicions about Dunnstral and Ranger, but I'm shelving those for now.
I've been ISO-diving Titus trying to divine exactly what she was trying to do this game.

P-EDIT:
PV is dead scum, right?
As far as I can recall, PV tends to not have much game presence or drop many relational tells. At least not like Titus.

P-P-EDIT:
I voted Titus before the hammer, too. People seem to keep forgetting that.
Zakk and Suzune feel town to me. I've modded some games Zakk was in and it's given me some perspective on how he plays (at least as town). Nothing here really breaks from that, but I've given newer players (looking at you, Dwlee) the benefit of the doubt before and it's bitten me in the ass. Still, not top priority for me. Suzune, on the other hand, reeks of town to me. The reachouts, the genuine posting, etc.

[Varsoon]

It's almost as if I'm in a completely different large game with mostly the same playerbase.
Nevermind 2108 where I'm calling this scum-Titus and Nero is defending it.
Or 1923 where I name Titus my first scum-suspect
Or 1773 where I say both Titus and PV are scum and I'm right

Oh shit looks like you're trash pushing for a lynch on MVP.

[Varsoon]

...or 1671 where I literally tell Nero to shoot Titus if he can.
...or 816 which is a pretty telling back and forth between us that informs my entire stance on the matter.

But yeah, I didn't vote there, fuck me for forgetting. It's crazy, like I almost am not planning and plotting out this game, like I don't have some fucking scheme up my sleeve.
Fuck off with that shit.

[Varsoon]

I'm gonna ISO Suzune ASAP and see if i can find said "reachouts" and "genuine posting". And if i dont, that wont be good news for Mr. Varsoon OR Suzune.

Throw yourself in a blender, fam.
Your playstyle is trash.

VOTE: Luna Fox

Keep reaching for low-hanging fruit.

[Varsoon]

I'm thinking I was right with my early scumread on your slot.
I was right about PV
I was right about Titus
Let's see if I got a hat trick.

[Varsoon]

I dont see anything townie in suzune's ISO tbh.

That's because you're trash and you're trying to keep a Suzune lynch on the fucking table.
Suzune is town.
Fuck you.

[Varsoon]

I wish Nero could shoot me, it'd end this rubbish.

@Luna: I already exposed the process that brought me to a vote on you. Instead of reading my posts, you're writing them off as an OMGUS. Stay trash.

@Fire: Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that you hardcore stalled out the Ranger wagon for no good reason.

[Varsoon]

Hey, Nero, you ever going to explain your read on me?
OR will you just keep voting me and not talking to me at all, like some sort of psychopath.
Your insistence on the whole third party thing REALLY bothers me since you've proven you have access to a killing action AND I've claimed that my role PM's info makes this look a lot like there aren't multiple factions/SK involved.

[Varsoon]

i want suzune to fullclaim tbh

^
same

Why?

Remind me never to go V/LA or be inactive in a game of mafia again.
Apparently you need a post on every page for people not to treat you like trash.

[Varsoon]

I thought you read my ISO, Luna.

[Varsoon]

Stop acting like you are paying attention only when it conveniences you.

[Varsoon]

Some of the wording on my role PM makes it highly unlikely that we're in multiball.
At worst, we maybe have an SK?
Regardless, I can almost confirm that there's only one scum team.

Oh hey how'about that.

@Luna: Why did you ISO the mod for votecounts to build a case against me re: Titus rather than ISO'ing both Titus and me?
Is it solely because I claimed I voted Titus? But even then it would be far more informative for you to ISO me.
So you're ISO'ing Suzune but not me?
What the fuck are you doing this game?

[Varsoon]

The argumentative side of me wants to write up my case on Varsoon so I can watch him squirm and the lazy side of me says "I'm confirmed town so fuck off"

No fuck you, write a case, you sleazy sack of shit.
Show me the post where the mod confirms you are town.
All I see is the mod confirming you have a daykill ability.
Daykill ability does not make you town.
The fact that you weren't killed by now means that you are a liability.

[Varsoon]

I just wanted to confirm if it was true that you voted Titus, because that's what you said.

Yeah, I got my games mixed up.
But, once again, I reiterate, why haven't you actually read my ISO if you're willing to vote for me?

[Varsoon]

...except I did?

It's almost as if I'm in a completely different large game with mostly the same playerbase.

UNVOTE:

For real, do you legitimately have a reading problem?
Because I get the feeling we're on completely different pages here.
Why are you building a narrative of my involvement with the Titus wagon without even reading my posts?

[Varsoon]

I was voting you because I thought you were intentionally trying to manipulate information in a way to discredit me and push a lynch on low-hanging fruit.
If you're just literally unaware, that's 100% a different story.

[Varsoon]

Oh, I've thought Titus was scum since the moment she was dodgy about using the image macro things.
The only reason my vote was on the tail end of things (didn't even realize I hammered until after the fact) was because I wasn't around for awhile. Had I been there earlier, I would've voted there earlier. I always supported the wagon, though.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon, anyone who thinks Luna is not town as fuck is stupid or scum, or both, sorry bae <3.

But why?
Dude I'm cool with being stupid as fuck.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Nosferatu
Going back to sitting on this for now, ideas later though
I have a splitting headache

[Varsoon]

What convenient claims. :/

[Varsoon]

Survivor.

[Varsoon]

Flavor is Ryu, the main character of Street fighter.

[Varsoon]

I knew if I had to claim, I'd be fucked though.
Garbage game.
This is also why I wasn't scared when you shot me
I'm bulletproof variant.
Which, I guess, makes sense that scum get a strongman.

@Luna: Remember when I hammered Titus?

[Varsoon]

I didn't want to draw a lot of aggro to my slot because of my role, which I've been trying to avoid, but apparently it doesn't matter.
Also, given the wording of my survivor wincon, it's very clear that there's only one scum team.

[Varsoon]

no, Varsoon called me a sack of shit. We are killing that motherfucker

I want you to know I'm only insulting your play, which infuriates me.
I'm sure you, as a person, are a sack of mostly bones and organs and only a little bit of poop.

@Cakez: Why would I, as scum, claim flavor that another scum player already claimed, in that case?
I can imagine two reasons why Titus claimed Ryu:
1. She was trying to bait out a counterclaim from what should be a strong role, especially if she knew she was going down.
2. She was unhappy with her options for an actual fake-claim and went with one that might not exist in the setup.

But you are right. In my experience, Skull offers lots of fake-claim options and will even build a fake-claim for you that's safe to claim.
I can't unlock the mystery of why Titus claimed the way she did. It certainly didn't make me actually claiming feel any better given my alignment.

[Varsoon]

I've never had sexual relations with anyone who has a child, Nero. You have no grounds to call me a Motherfucker.

[Varsoon]

@FireAssassin: I saw you as trying to stall out wagons as the day came towards an end. I'm still not sure if you were bussing Titus or not. That's why I'm not going around tooting my horn calling you conf-scum. You're a suspect of mine. I typically want to push people who play in a way that doesn't make sense to me, or that I can't figure out. It usually means there is something there that's wrong if it were all on the table.

[Varsoon]

RANGER WAS A COUNTERWAGON TO TWO SCUM!

like why in the fuck would scum wagon a third scum when there were a bunch of juicy mislynch bait. Could you just like...stop posting?

...in for a penny, in for a pound?
In the case of a Ranger scumflip, wouldn't that make the other two scum look way better?

Whatever.
To get back to Luna, if you look at the post numbers, my first post after Titus claimed was to vote/hammer there.
I actually didn't even read anything between her claim and my vote because I knew the Ryu claim was lies.

@Zakk: That's why I call Nero mean names.
He makes me upset. I'm trying to get into this game, too, and he's just campaigning super hard against me and throwing down the gauntlet.
I'm not townreading Nosferatu? iirc I'm still voting for them.

[Varsoon]

Thin content, poor votes/cases against proven town like Beeboy, getting on the PV wagon feels like an afterthought, not a lot of contributions today despite there being a lot of content to grapple with, etc.

@Nero: No, dude, I'm survivor, a role that has zero survivability when claimed on this site. If I've seen a claimed survivor make it to end-game, I've forgotten it over the tides and tides of people who claim survivor and are instantly policy-lynched, killed, etc.
I'll be a baby about it as much as I like.

[Varsoon]

I'd like to contribute and help you guys, but at every corner, you cut me off with insulting remarks like that.

[Varsoon]

@Nero: Dude, yeah, do your 'job' or whatever, just don't be a jerk about it. And yeah, if two more scum flip and the game isn't over and I'm still alive, lynch me right then and there.

@FA: I wrote all that without taking your interaction with Titus all day into consideration. Makes more sense then.
I was mostly responding to the way that you came in to shift a lot of momentum near day-end. That sort of play typically rings scum to me.
Why did you try to stall out the Ranger wagon in favor for the Titus wagon? Was it just that you saw a non-Titus wagon form and wanted those votes on Titus instead?
Hm.

[Varsoon]

I'm very interested in what you consider to be pro-town, given that I've been voting and hammering scum since the game began.

[Varsoon]

But yes, running the most complex game that's ever been run on this site coupled with all the IRL stress I've had has made me far less active and involved than I would have liked to be.
If that warrants a lynch, fuck it, run me through.

[Varsoon]

I'd like to think I have started trying to solve the game.
It's just that I also have to consistently deal with self-righteous players who insist on pushing me for no reason other than confirmation bias.
Nero, where is your case on me?
Oh, that's right. You're too lazy to write one.
Conjure one out of thin air or get the fuck off of my wagon. Focus on actually solving the game and doing your so-called job rather than parroting that I'm scum until your fanclub believes it.

I know for a fact that scum is lurking out and/or sheeping while you kick up all this dust over me. Us going back and forth for the last 20 pages has solved fucking nothing and baited out a masons and VT claim, which is worse than where we started.

[Varsoon]

The only reason that I'm willing to buy that Nero is town is because of the vig kill on scum.
That's why this back and forth is unnecessary. It's just Nero flagging me down and me having to defend myself while he keeps barking that I'm scum and it's his duty to catch scum and that I'm a 'motherfucker' for being frustrated over him doing his god-given task.

It runs entirely contrary to actually catching scum. I've full-claimed. There's nothing more I can do at this point to get this obnoxious blood-drunk hound off of me, and yet he persists.

If the game can't continue because Nero's going to shit all over it until I'm lynched, lynch me.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: SirCakez

I don't understand why people think Cakez is scum.
Why are you voting for Cakez?

[Varsoon]

Why did you try to stall out the Ranger wagon in favor for the Titus wagon? Was it just that you saw a non-Titus wagon form and wanted those votes on Titus instead?

Ranger was null-town to me so I didn't want to push her? I think she is still probably town, so I didn't want that lynch. Titus was more in my mind scum based on her reasoning alone of me being scum, which if you read was because "I lied about my main".

Thanks for answering that.
That fits way better than what I thought, which was that you were making a power play given the dynamics of the game at the time (quick pile up of votes on Ranger/you'd rather redirect that 'energy' to Titus).

I was expecting you to take more credit for the Titus lynch, but you haven't. Usually when people bus, they want everyone to know that they were the reason why that player got lynched, like it'll score them extra towncred or whatnot.

[Varsoon]

I mean, lynching me is probably a good idea, yeah.

Is this the kind of post a Survivor makes?

I get the creeping suspicion you guys will just lynch me before D6 anyway. Especially given Nero's stance.
I'd rather be out the game instead of put a lot of time and effort into it.
Sure, I won't win, but at least town won't have its head up its own ass because I'm around.

[Varsoon]

We've already been over it, but you're all going to waste a lynch because you're more content to just spout off "BUT THATS WHAT TITUS CLAIMED".
Whatever.

[Varsoon]

Do some original thinking.
Maybe challenge yourself.

[Varsoon]

You'd think people would instead be saying
"Varsoon was in Cyberpunk. If he were scum, he would know not to claim something already claimed."

What am I supposed to do, Cakez? Lie? Then get counterclaimed by someone who actually has whatever I lied about?
I really am Ryu. And it sucks, but you're letting Titus win this battle if you lynch me. This is literally her plan. :/

[Varsoon]

What else is there to say?
How do I defend myself when I tell the truth and people want to lynch me for it?

[Varsoon]

Did she? She claimed under pressure. Claiming Ryu forces a 1v1 that she still wins after death.
If I was scum and I knew I was going to be lynched, I wouldn't grab a fake-claim if I was claiming something so weak like Jailkeeper.
I'd say I was some shit that I knew wasn't in our fakes and likely to be in the game.
Especially if Ryu wasn't among the fake-claims available.
She probably thought, "I am dying, but at least I can out a main character who is probably a strong power role!"

Regardless, her motivations don't matter nearly as much as the truth does. All I can speak towards being true is that I am Ryu, and if that means I need to be lynched, so be it. We're ahead plenty. I won't get a win, which is garbage, but I'm a claimed survivor. My chances of winning are tiny given the fact I claimed.

[Varsoon]

Seriously, though, in any other game, let's say scum claims the MC flavor and gets lynched.
The actual MC claims flavor and then you insist on lynching him?
Ballsacks.

[Varsoon]

The only reason I didn't counterclaim Ryu is because I am survivor and didn't want to draw attention to my slot.

[Varsoon]

I was also thinking she might flip Evil Ryu or something, because that is a character.
But yeah, not comfortable with how fast my wagon has built re: my claim, but it is what it is.

[Varsoon]

I wish I was something as nuts as anything that was in SaGa.

[Varsoon]

what role from saga?

I think they're referring to the 3rd Party role in that game that won by eliminating everyone who could kill other players. It could treestump at night.
As far as I am aware, though, we don't have any kills that aren't accounted for, though.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Nosferatu
Don't remember if I am still voting there or not, but it's where I want my vote to be.

[Varsoon]

@Cakez: She claimed Jailkeeper first then later claimed Ryu when it was clear Jailkeeper wouldn't keep her alive.

[Varsoon]

I think you're just reading the sentence wrong?
Like, in the full context, I think what Luna is saying is more along the lines of "She didn't claim Ryu first, she claimed Jailkeeper first, then claimed Ryu."
At least that's what I gathered.

[Varsoon]

Same.

[Varsoon]

Elaborate, Dwlee.
Who?
Why?

[Varsoon]

Elaborate, Dwlee.
Who?
Why?

If you mean in my town reads idk
why? cause I dont think Im some amazing god tier player who's town reads are 100% correct

What players do you think feel irrelevant?

[Varsoon]

What do you think we can do to get better reads on all of those slots?

[Varsoon]

No, varsoon claimed survivor. He is a terrible lynxh because survivor win with town and town have no reason to waste their power lynxhing them. Good try though, I am almost caught up.

It is a waste of town resources to lynch a survivor. Town wins without lynching a survivor so there is no reason to lynch him. He does not further the win condition because he is not a threat to the town. Do not waste the precious lynxhing ability of the town on something like that.

You have no idea how refreshing it is to see someone with an ounce of sense in this game.

As much as Cakez is railing on me, a Cakez lynch is terrible.
Nos should be our lynch today.

[Varsoon]

And if Ranger flipped town, that'd look awful on Nos.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, it'd be easier, but it'd also be suicide given Nos' trajectory.

[Varsoon]

Suzune is town.
Do you want to make a wager, Nero?
If you all lynch Suzune and Suzune flips town, then you have to admit you're wrong and replace out.
But if Suzune flips scum, you can all lynch me right there and I'll even self-vote. Or something.

Basically, I want you to shut up and stop being so flagrantly and aggressively

wrong

.

[Varsoon]

I'm trying to help you out by letting you know where you're wrong and defending the players I have strong town reads on while pushing the players I have good scumreads on.
If you don't value my voice at all, it really doesn't give me many tools to help you with and it bothers me--what the fuck do you want from my slot?

[Varsoon]

Luna, you can tone it down with jerking off Nero, you might sprain your wrist at this rate.

@Nero: Suzune's been vigilant despite having to deal with dozens of pages of assault during V/LA. Suzune has stayed level-headed. Suzune/Titus doesn't look like they are partners. Suzune genuinely seems to be trying to figure out the game. Suzune's progression of play and votes don't feel opportunistic or scummy to me. I don't see why people are adamantly scumreading the slot.

@Luna: Go read the Nos ISO and do the work on your own. The vote on PV comes out of the failure to get the A50 wagon off the ground and comes with a lot of after-the-fact justifications. Compare that to Nos' earlier votes on A50 and Brian. There's one mention of PV scum earlier, but no vote there, which is really awkward for me. Given how off-the-cuff and snap-voting Nos seems, the 'whatever' rollover onto PV doesn't feel natural.

P-EDIT: I can see why people want to lynch Cakez now, the defense of PV looks kinda awful.

[Varsoon]

I should get a scummy for dealing with the insurmountable amount of shit you people are giving me.

[Varsoon]

@Varsoon a sheep vote and that's all. You cannot be trusted. The Nos wagon was dumb the first time it was pushed, its still dumb. A survivor traditionally wins regardless of which faction wins..all they have to do is stay alive. So Suzune saying that you win with the town isn't nessisarily true. I don't think you are "helping" as much as you say, and this is just lip service.

So, you just want me to sheep you and keep my thoughts to myself, then?
Let's see how wrong you can be, I guess.

VOTE: Cakez

[Varsoon]

I'm not at L-1 nero

You are now.

[Varsoon]

But Luna says that Nero is always right, Cakez.
How could the shining golden god of mafia be wrong?
He's doing his job, you know.

[Varsoon]

Oh, did you get your head out of nero's ass long enough to realize you're a joke?

[Varsoon]

nero you should have just dayvigged him

He tried.
I'm BP.

[Varsoon]

I'm not scum, though.
You can keep insisting on it, but I can win with town, and I'm trying to help you guys out despite how much flak I've been getting for it.

[Varsoon]

I am contributing. It's only you posting discouraging shit like this:

then you know....start actually doing things instead of whining about being scum read?

[Varsoon]

1. how is varsoon confirmed scum. he's claimed a survivor.
2. why should we flip a mason? so the scum can kill another one?

your logic makes no fucking sense.




now shoot luna fox.

I'd be happy with a luna wagon sometimes.


I'm fine with being leashed by Nero or another soft-confirmed town, too.

I still want to lynch out Nos, actually.

[Varsoon]

I'd be happy with a luna wagon sometimes.

Yeah good idea, lynch one of the few town players actually not wanting to lynch you.

Well, I don't know if you're trying to buddy me or not and yesterday you were saying some crazy things from time to time.
Maybe I'm just frustrated that I can't lynch Nero, and you were like his buddy yesterday or something?
But honestly I like the way you've engaged with me, it's made me feel way better about this game. <3

[Varsoon]

I kinda hate PoE lists.
Any well-designed game keeps players from ever making a PoE list that works.
Scum will always go along with a PoE list that doesn't end in a loss for them, which means a snowed town any time the PoE list isn't correct, which should be the case in every well-designed game.

[Varsoon]

Of course, speaking out against a PoE list is also a great way to get scumread, as most 1st level basic players will assume you're against it because it'll result in a loss for you.

[Varsoon]

I'm used to more presence from Anti. I liked his early game, but he feels like he's taken a backseat since his whole claim and early play, which bothers me, too.

[Varsoon]

where is ranger now?

Returning from the V/LA I announced sitewide: I'm on limited access on Wednesdays.

Unfortunately, I don't have the time to read all the pages.

In the mean time,
VOTE: Varsoon.

If you're not going to read, don't vote.

[Varsoon]

Yes jesus but I win with town so I'm town

[Varsoon]

You're so cool, TWIE.

[Varsoon]

Fucking liar.
VOTE: Antihero
You lied about Beeboy and now you're lying about me because you know I'm an easy target.

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

If you're having second thoughts, unvote first.
Otherwise your sentiments are just rhetoric.

[Varsoon]

Yesterday's lynch shows you how good of an idea that is.

[Varsoon]

Yesterday's lynch shows you how good of an idea that is.

Yesterday's lynch didnt have a guilty.

Fake guilties aren't guilties, either.

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

<3
Thanks for running this game, Skull. I enjoyed being a part of it.
I'm a bit sad I won't get to play in your next game, as I was one of the reviewers. Still, watching it unfold is going to be a lot of fun. I'm very excited for it--it's exactly the kind of large theme I'd like to play.
As always, I hope your break is only temporary. You're a moderator that I have a great deal of admiration and respect for.

[Varsoon]

As much as I like throwing down, I think both teams had great moments and embarrassing ones.
This game proved to be a real learning experience for me, and will hopefully be helpful for other players as well.
I was very impressed with a lot of the play that I saw, though. People that contributed to good lynches often pulled their weight.
There were several times that town was very intimidating, especially with Nero taking the lead at places.
I feel as though our win came from making the wisest kills when we could and by outpacing town only marginally.
Any large game that goes into LYLO is very exciting for me. That reflects a fairly balanced setup on the moderator's part and fairly balanced teams in terms of mafia prowess. While it is interesting to see absolute stomps or absurd game-winning plays, having two fairly balanced teams duke it out to the very end is always incredibly satisfying for me.

I hope to see a lot of you folks in future games. I hope I wasn't a complete pain to play with. :3