Shadowrun Mafia - Game Over

[PeregrineV]

Draft: Elementalist

[PeregrineV]

Vote: ABR

Happy Birthday!!

[PeregrineV]

Prod dodge, basically. Will catch up tonight/tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

@Party leader person-

I want to go on the first mission.

[PeregrineV]

Sorry guys, I've been really lazy about this game. Catching up shortly.

-Daenerys

when I see your name, I think "Bedknobs and Broomsticks"

[PeregrineV]

@Party leader person-

I want to go on the first mission.

Sorry guys, I've been really lazy about this game. Catching up shortly.

-Daenerys

when I see your name, I think "Bedknobs and Broomsticks"

Is this really

all you have to say?

Unfortunately this is no different from Bloodborne so it's not even AI it's just incredibly frustrating.

Still rereading.

-Daenerys

At this point in time, sure.

But, it's Friday, so if you want to talk I can talk.

[PeregrineV]

Problem is PV lurks town or scum. It's awful

Truly awful.

[PeregrineV]

I'd assume so. ABR is V/LA for his B-Day, and PV compulsively lurks.

I doubt they are talking much in the Matrix. DM and Random haven't posted for over a day.

Compulsively.

[PeregrineV]

I'm objectively the worst D1 player on the site and I have more than 2 reads on D1.

what are your reads right now?

Town/Null!Town - ABR, grovyle (tentatively), Reasonably Rational, Yume (tentatively)
Null - Mathblade, Jaereed, D&D (tentatively. Very close to null!scum)
Scum/Null!Scum - You, karnos

Nobody else has posted enough for me to get a solid read on them. It's kinda bullshit.

Bullshit.

[PeregrineV]

Okay

What is your perspective on Space Cowboy's and karnos' interactions?

-Daenerys

It looks like they were arguing hypotheticals and best-play tactics. Makes sense with all of the added mechanics.

Are you asking because they both have semis for you as scum?

[PeregrineV]

do not fear mcmenno is here

so this is when we lynch the scum right

VOTE: Yume

Would like to know where this came from...

[PeregrineV]

Detective Moonlight is being prodded.

VOTECOUNT 1.04

Space Cowboy (5):

Vedith, Daenerys and Dragons, Jaereed, karnos, Koggz

Grovyle (3):

Yume, Koggz, Worldzmine

Daenerys and Dragons (2):

Albert B. Rampage, Space Cowboy

ABR (1):

PeregrineV

karnos (1):

Space Cowboy, MathBlade

Yume (1):

McMenno

Not Voting (5):

Klingoncelt, detective moonlight, Randomidget ,Reasonably Rational, Grovyle

With 17 Alive, it takes 9 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-08-30 13:00:00)

The Party Leader is

JaeReed (The Face)

The Leader's Party is

Determined by PM and resolved at hammer.

The Lieutenant is (optional)

Determined by PM and resolved at hammer.

The Lieutenant's Party is (optional)

Determined by PM and resolved at hammer.

The Chosen Runs are

Determined by PM and resolved at hammer.

@ Schro^TM

- Does Koggz have double-vote, or just a typo?

[PeregrineV]

do not fear mcmenno is here

so this is when we lynch the scum right

VOTE: Yume

Would like to know where this came from...

nowhere yet

So just a random vote after replacing in?

[PeregrineV]

@Space

- I get the impression that some people are still in RVS (based on the votes, I haven't read it all)

[PeregrineV]

okay, let's do a little quiz

should I use my power rashly

McMenno ~ yes/

no

Nah

[PeregrineV]

Ok, add PV to the null!town list.

He's actually starting to do something, on the contrary to literally saying "I'm trying to catch up" every single post in MGSV Mafia.

-DS

Nah, I'm caught up if by caught up you mean in the "now".

I doubt I'll read all of day1 on day1, unless I get bored.

and,

null!town....

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Vedith

[PeregrineV]

Ok, add PV to the null!town list.

He's actually starting to do something, on the contrary to literally saying "I'm trying to catch up" every single post in MGSV Mafia.

-DS

Nah, I'm caught up if by caught up you mean in the "now".

I doubt I'll read all of day1 on day1, unless I get bored.

and,

null!town....

Well, yeah. You haven't posted enough yet to get a full town read...

That's OK. Check it:

Characters	Charisma	Combat	Demolitions	Logic	Magical	Matrix	Medical	Perception	Stealth
Elementalist	2	6	6	5	6	2	5	2	2

I kick ass!!

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Vedith

Scum claim!

Would you rather be lynched today, or suffer fiery death tonight?

[PeregrineV]

Would you rather be lynched today, or suffer fiery death tonight?

I'll take the fiery death tonight... To go!

BBQ it is!!

[PeregrineV]

Okay

What is your perspective on Space Cowboy's and karnos' interactions?

-Daenerys

It looks like they were arguing hypotheticals and best-play tactics. Makes sense with all of the added mechanics.

Are you asking because they both have semis for you as scum?

Actually it's because almost everyone seems to be scumreading one or the other.

I'm asking if you saw anything alignment indicative from the argument, since Space Cowboy claims karnos' theory talk is in fact AI.

-Daenerys

Not really. The discussion itself means nothing, Space Cowboys karnos meta means nothing to me.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Vedith

Reasons?

-Daenerys

Early vote on Space Cowboy.
Late insistence on Space Cowboy scum while admitting to not reading the middle.
Not trying to get a read as much as just assigning a read.
Seems like.

[PeregrineV]

Personally, my take is SC could still be scum, McMeeno seems pretty towny. I don't disagree with his point regarding his ability- if he was scum, why the fuck would he claim the kill he was making? he could have just taken the kill and stayed anonymous. Even better question: why would scum dayvig someone who is already largely read as scum, and potentially easily miss-lynched? Wouldn't scum go for a kill on a more obvtown player?

Talk about your day1 posting. What made it so awesome that a scum framer picked you to frame on night1?

[PeregrineV]

So: do we lynch me and hold off on karnos either vig or lynch, or lynch karnos, or lynch someone else and vig karnos?

I'd rather a Karnos lynch, but not if it won't flip him.

The whole vig thing is kind of dumb because night actions are subject to shenanigans.

[PeregrineV]

Scum framed me BECAUSE I was going to be copped. If scum knew I was going to be copped, someone in the mission told them. of the 4 players in the mission, 2 died and flipped town. QED one of the remaining two players, Jaereed or MathBlade, are scum. Possibly both.

Unless you honestly believe scum would have some sort of spy ability to view the mission PT without being on the mission, the only other possibility is a scum JaeReed or a scum MathBlade.

So they did so and effectively narrowed down their own lynch pool?

[PeregrineV]

...Talk about day one and night one.
The cop check was submitted during the missions part. JaeReed set a trigger on it for one minute before night.

So the question becomes what was so special about Karnos's posting it requires a day framer. And if they had it why would they not use is on a universal town read?

For a day framer to work they'd have to have eyes in the mission thread. Which in that case scum would be flipping out about the super secret plan of awesome. Since they aren't Karnos is scum no framer:

Does the above make sense to anyone else?

Mod Post 976 "Night 1 started at 12:50 AM Pacific Time (USA) on August 23, 2016."

Mod Post 978 "Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:59 am JaeReed picked between the mission rewards for this mission."

There it is, clear as day written in stone: night started 3 days before JaeReed picked the reward to publicly cop me. When MathBlade says Jaereed used it a minute before night, that is absolutely impossible , because it wasn't even awarded to JaeReed until 3 RL days into the night phase.

I'm wondering if we are seeing a scum slip here, maybe scum chat had a different deadline for nightkill and other actions and MathBlade is mixing up that deadline with the actual real beginning of night.

They mean before night ends.

As in, "Hey mod- I will do this unless you hear form me before then." type of thing.

[PeregrineV]

SC was vigged, why did he go to jail as a result instead of flipping? This won't also happen with a karnos vig? What am I missing/not understanding here?

MathBlade said they had a GUN. A gun kills, it doesn't send to jail, so that is the assumption I am working from.

Maybe MathBlade can clarify on how exactly the ability is worded.

I know what a vig normally is supposed to do, but we've already had some claim that they vigged someone and that someone went to jail but didn't die.

oh, you won't have to worry about space cowboy anymore... :^)

and people don't flip when we lynch them

yes and I've sent my buddy space cowboy to prison to get loads of towncred

look at how well it's working /s

[PeregrineV]

was the copping naturally public?
koggz assumed cop was public due to the drugs given to jaereed
assuming jaereed used the drugs

only koggz knew the drugs effect until d2

JaeReed picked between the mission rewards for this mission.

JaeReed could give control of Mr. Johnson to a particular player. That player may not be sent on any particular mission and cannot be a party leader or lieutenant in any way.

OR

JaeReed may publicly cop a player. This option may ONLY be selected once per game. This player that is publicly copped cannot be killed that night.

They picked to publically cop a player.

Karnos is confirmed to be aligned with Aztechnology or Lonestar and not the Shadowrunners.

Night continues for 1 more minute. Adventure PTs will be locked then.

I'll be resolving all night actions after I get some sleep.

[PeregrineV]

Dont hammer yet, i have yet to submit missions
Which ones should i choose?

@abr i can understand random possibly (although it would be an empty lynch, they didnt post shit, neither here nor in the matrix), but why mathblade?

@jae+math why are you thinking this game is singleball and therefore say 'ok worldzmine is town'? From a balance perspective, 13-4 is scumsided and 14-3 townsided af. Dont write them off as town, seriously.

What are the choices for the missions?

[PeregrineV]

The runs available are Arson, Bank Heist, Demolitions, Dossier Search, Fetch Quests, Getting the Gang Together, Kidnapping, Murder, and Scouting.

Conducting a Seance mission has opened up. There is still one locked run.

Let's do 2 we havent done yet.

[PeregrineV]

The runs available are Arson, Bank Heist, Demolitions, Dossier Search, Fetch Quests, Getting the Gang Together, Kidnapping, Murder, and Scouting.

Conducting a Seance mission has opened up. There is still one locked run.

Let's do 2 we havent done yet.

Although a free loud cop isn;t a bad thing....

If there were 2 missions, was that the single reward, or were there more?

[PeregrineV]

OK here's how it will be. My vote stays on mathblade for the rest of the game until she dies. Point blank period.

VOTE: PeregrineV

This is why you have such credibility issues.

And why you come across as scummy.

[PeregrineV]

Don't have time to read, but ABR has left the Astral PT.

My understanding is that since he has left it, he can no longer be affected by things that can affect people in the Astral PT.

It really sounds like he knows something's up or something's coming. Wouldn't think too much of it, considering it is ABR, but suddenly he has a hard-on for me.

Willing to toss his ass into jail for that combination.
Willing to toss Yume into jail for also doing crap in the PT.

And also looking at Karnos vig thing, if the Matrix is the science PT, then ABR is even worse.

Vote: ABR

[PeregrineV]

@PV - What do you mean about the vig-PT thing?

I was also limited to matrix participants- mcmenno, who was already in prison, or randommidget who I thought was a bit more likely to be town than RR. I always try to use my powers ASAP in case scum kills me at night, so I used my 1 shot matrix vig on night one to kill the most likely scum IMO.

This is the other PT, right? It sounds like Karnos could only vig within his PT.

ABR left the PT (as in the state of not being in it) before Karnos posted 1383.

So it sounds like there are abilities that can only target occupants of PTs. And ABR knew this and so left the Astral PT. But before The karnos announcement of such abilities.

[PeregrineV]

My vote on ABR got removed.

Oh well, I'm sure ABR will win the game for his team.

Vote: Worldz

Fixed.

[PeregrineV]

karnos getting desperate

Do you think PV is also my scum partner?

Okay, I am desperate. Lets go and lose the game together, faster:
VOTE: PeregrineV

Logic would kind of dictate you vote the person you put the bounty on...

[PeregrineV]

Logic would kind of dictate you vote the person you put the bounty on...

Bounty was placed before the frame. Worldz might be scum, and you might be town, but logic doesn't work with ABR.

TBH, my preference would be to lynch JaeReed, MathBlade, Worldz, karnos, in that order. I know there is scum between the first two. Wordz is probably scum, and lynching him would reward a bounty, and as a last resort lynching me leads to a flip which will make my above arguments look a bit more genuine.

But I'll help ABR throw the game by voting you instead, just because it's only a day until deadline and something needs to happen. And hell, maybe I have been wrong and you are scum? Whatever, I'm ready for somebody to flip.

Yet there will be no flip, since it's jail instead.

And unless I've missed something, Math is shooting you tonight, so you actually will flip.

And if that is the case and you're town, your iso is better off reflecting your actual opinions instead of attempts to appease ABR.

Just saying.

[PeregrineV]

Vigs should always be used on hydra

[PeregrineV]

Confirmed scum has voted peregrine

, you, AND worldz. Why would you do anything in reaction to who he's voting? You're spouting pure WIFOM. You deserve to die if you don't kill karnos tonight.

Jaereed and sooper dude need to have a come to jesus moment and start voting Peregrine

. They are just being obstructionists now.

Please continue to town up the thread with cognitive dissonance.

[PeregrineV]

I'll iso first, but will probably hammer unless good reason not to.

[PeregrineV]

He kind of claimed. But give him more time or no?

[PeregrineV]

I still believe PV is town, but it would have been damn useful if he hadn't lurked out this day end.

I didn't and am still here.

[PeregrineV]

@Sooper Somethibg doesn't feel right about this random lynch. I think PV is one of the two scum here and Klingon and/or D&D are scum with PV.

Explain how Klingon is my scumbuddy.

Explain how D&D is my scumbuddy.

Go ahead, we have time.

[PeregrineV]

ok dont rush me please.

UNVOTE:

I didn't read anything , even single page.

We are in twilight. Read at your leisure, and get in the PT and talk to me.

[PeregrineV]

Wait RR had access to menno that night? menno wasn't in jail?

I think McMenno was the dayvig who jailed cowboy, then was jailed for day1.

[PeregrineV]

ty for the summary though , so I assume drixx never mentioned anything about being in the adventure party in your topic.

I think it was public knowledge.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8267977

[PeregrineV]

Hi FA/House!

what is this :

WorldzMine is Accused of Being Scum

and why the party members of night 2 are not yet outed?

Karnos claimed to be the source of that.
I don't remember exactly, but I think some sort of buff would have been placed on the people who voted Worldz, BP I think.

-dragoms

What's a "buff"?

A bonus or positive effect. I think it was a doublevote or something for the 5th voter if Worldz was lynched.

[PeregrineV]

if you like PV so much then you go on a run with him. I'll take FA/Jaereed

Perhaps you should stay behind.

[PeregrineV]

Or even better, FA/me/House and you pick the two of your choice that isn't mathblade

You can't even stay in the PT with FA and me? Why your sudden interest in taking her along?

[PeregrineV]

You gonna answer the question I asked about PV meta D&D? Specifically for a link to that game?

my bad
game where he was obvtown as town: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65280
game where he was obvscum as scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=67071

Who are we looking at as buddies with karnos?

PV, random (who is lynched), maybe klingon

Leave math and PV off the run and put FA and House on it

-dragons

I'd rather switch house out with you.

[PeregrineV]

I don't want to get 1-shot astral killed by you, like your buddy karnos did with drixx in the matrix.

LOL...yeah, I knew it was a thing.

You exited before Karnos claimed his 1-shot matrix vig.

[PeregrineV]

obv you don't want to be kicked off the mission

I'm hoping it will invest me more into the game. Plus, I may be able to provide another bonus to town.

[PeregrineV]

anyway why you told you left because you were afraid of an astral vig? did you know about the drixx being a part of matrix when you left astral or not?

@ABR may I have your answer to this?

I play a game called Shadowrun Returns on Steam, and in the Dragonfall game, there's a killer AI going around killing deckers in the matrix. In the sequel, Hong Kong, there's a demon that attacks people in the astral dimension. It's not safe to stay in the PTs. Think about it, why else would you be allowed to leave them? It's because they affect some actions, making you more vulnerable.

I didn't know about the drixx shot but I was certain a mechanic like it existed.

And you informed zero players about this, knowing that, just on the odds alone, that the PTs would be full of town.

[PeregrineV]

No. That is a misrep.

I am criticizing him FOR doing it and hiding it from others and that I think his reason is bullshit.

Not buying it.

If he had mentioned it earlier, it would have just produced non-productive garbage about how flavor-based setup spec is terribad (which is true).

Now the same points are being made as would have been if he had mentioned it earlier, ergo his lack of disclosure is trivial upon any level of analysis.

Then if he isn't doing it then he has to provide the real reason he backed out of the astral PT.

If he is doing it then I want to know if he similarly ducked out of it last night and if he is consistent.

Timing issue- ABR exited 5 days prior to Karnos claiming the vigging of Drixx (Matrix vig claim).
If these are 2 completely unseparated events, convince me of it.
Otherwise, there is a link there, even if I haven't figured out what it is yet.

[PeregrineV]

They throw me out of that adventure pt ....

I fucking got a scum in math abr .... omg

When you asked for claims, the scumteam used their last sabotage to remove you immediately because a doc/backup/Jailkeeper wasn't balanced in their view.

They were afraid you would figure out Math was scum and bring back PV which puts scum in a worse position.[/quote
I'll read this as I could have saved the day, but I didn't lose the game for us!

[PeregrineV]

we lost a total day phase becuase kogz modkill and PV glitch

How is this setup fair?

PV glitch was rigged by scum.

They picked every mission leader but could not pick scum as back to back leaders and the traitor could not be a leader.

Yeah, our team was tasilor made for failure esp. with the blocks they put up.

[PeregrineV]

it was like, i knew i was probably gonna ruin the game for myself BUT I HAD TO SEE IF IT WOULD WORK.

I get this. Thanks for being honest and not gaming the game, so to speak.

[PeregrineV]

Like the prison could be pro town move to use on players you are unsure of but don't want to flip yet.
Or would that swing balance too much for town?

Prisoner cop?

[PeregrineV]

They throw me out of that adventure pt ....

I fucking got a scum in math abr .... omg

When you asked for claims, the scumteam used their last sabotage to remove you immediately because a doc/backup/Jailkeeper wasn't balanced in their view.

They were afraid you would figure out Math was scum and bring back PV which puts scum in a worse position.[/quote
I'll read this as I could have saved the day, but I didn't lose the game for us!

Yes you did. We knew none of your roles or that we were talking with the prisoners. We were blindsided.

I didn't have a vote in bringing myself out of prison, or I would have. And had I come out, SC would have stayed in, and I could have saved the day be not being scum.
I didn't have to pick the right or wrong player to pull out, so I didn't lose the game.

[PeregrineV]

@Titus/Varsoon-

Thanks for modding. It went crazy, and I'm not a big fan of no-flips since they are hard to balance, but at least you tried to change up a game to add flavor/interest, etc.