Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

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Yes it does.

1) I am claimed nacho cheese. No one has CC'd my nacho cheese.
2) Being nacho cheese and ninja SK are mutually exclusive.

Ergo I am town

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And I claimed nacho cheese before ninja was hypothesized.

So stop pushing a lynch on confirmed town scum. I am going back to work.

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Which can be figured out by VCA the lynch of the scum player pushing conf town as a scum read.

but we will flip town so this will not work.

We think its scummy that you are intentionally avoiding giving your other scumreads. If you believed you are confirmed town you have a high risk of being shot. Why are you so confident that you won't be?

Never said I wouldn't be shot. Remember I want to die.

I have said my reads before two of you/Narna/PV.

*sigh*

Back to work for me.

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We need to vote Gollum today Rach.

I do not know the vig and only my hands have touched my nacho cheese so far

FTR; I retract my previous statement. I no longer know what Math is referring to with this nacho cheese stuff. I had previously perceived that to be a crumb of being MACHO (nacho .. macho .. you know) and especially so when she said "an apple a day ..". That doesn't make sense with the above post though. What the heck does "only my hands have touched my nacho cheese so far" mean in that context?? Also "my nachos are only good for me" doesn't make sense either.

....That is what I am.

It means that I haven't taken any night actions. Meaning not the vig *sigh*

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And being macho is bad for town. Being macho is good for me as I am usually horrible as town.

I was trying to get scum to think I could vig Trying to draw the NK again.

*glares at Almost 50*

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Now that is fucked thanks for outing me.

I liked my pants Almost 50.

How come every game I am people depants me?

This needs to stop being a thing.

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Explain how I am scum with it. Explain how I am SK with it.

Otherwise your read of me is shit.

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Making a cool here open since I am at work til late.

VOTE: Accountant

Because Pi is favorite number and you are third in the voting list and I can't vote

First letters of each word Macho.
Means I claimed before an SK or Vig or anything hypothesized.

Covered it up with autocorrect later. Couldn't think of a sentence that started with each letter.

Been slowly more pronounced to draw the NK and keep docs and such away.

Nacho cheese was just me being threatening and scaring people to see if they reacted.

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Now that is fucked thanks for outing me.

I liked my pants Almost 50.

How come every game I am people depants me?

This needs to stop being a thing.

I don't understand your play AT ALL. I thought claiming Macho WOULD draw an NK, bc scum would know you cannot be protected. Outing you now though would be GOOD bc Boem is likely to be watching over you.. or Rach again.. so AT LAST one of you will not be killed tonight, OR one scum WILL be caught in the act.

Remember I want to die

We don't understand this. Macho is a role modifier that means they can't be doc protected. Why would Math want to die as Macho?

More important people live Rach live if I die.

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Now that is fucked thanks for outing me.

I liked my pants Almost 50.

How come every game I am people depants me?

This needs to stop being a thing.

I don't understand your play AT ALL. I thought claiming Macho WOULD draw an NK, bc scum would know you cannot be protected. Outing you now though would be GOOD bc Boem is likely to be watching over you.. or Rach again.. so AT LAST one of you will not be killed tonight, OR one scum WILL be caught in the act.

Scum are aiming for who could kill them or town firms :/ was trying to be obv vig like. Since clearly me talking about apples wasn't enough.

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They are trying to lynch perceived PR roles who could catch them.

So I was trying to be all "Look I am the macho vig " While trying to tell Rach I am not the vig which got hard since KCelt died.

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Rach hated the nacho shit so I figured if I was super loud and annoying she would pay attention to it I really have to go.

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Now I REALLY think Gollum is scum. Please don't make my inevitable death in vain.

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We are also not looking for a miller claim but you can think that we are lying so why can't we think Math is lying?

Because I am verifiable.
Because I am playing in a protown manner all game.
Because I want to die.

If we ever come close to no lynch we mislynch me.

You however are trying to avoid a cop.

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By claiming Miller and tunneling confirmed town. And not answering direct questions like I asked about making assumptions.

You sir need rope and lots of it.

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Good point. Could do Iroan but the way he has been defending Gollum makes Gollum even more likely scum to me.

I don't suspect Shaziro. We'd lynch me first. I suspect mod fuckup of nth degree but not Shaziro

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What investigation roles do with their actions is their business and we have nothing to do with that.

They are also only locked into a role modifier claim. Why would town crumb only their role modifier?

10 minutes apart - dissociative identity disorder in action

Inevitably every town game I have I am either town idiot who gets firmed somehow and shot or I end up just being dumb and then being mislynched. A "good" town game is rare for me. When I was avoiding suspicion I crumbed harder to avoid being targeted by a doctor at night. I didn't want to be townfirmed by that. If I die doctors work on town who can read people.

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You however are trying to avoid a cop.

how?

Miller -by definition- is not a good COP target. The cop will get a GUILTY.

HOLD ON. I want you to go check your role PM and tell me EXACTLY what it says in regards to your role. In specific: I want you to explain the term "Miller". To WHOM do you investigate positively?

That is why I think they are trying to avoid a cop check.

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MathBlade (5): Shaziro, Almost50, Gollum, Lapsa, Narna
Creature (4): RachMarie, Thor665, PeregrineV, Vedith

If anything it demonstrates the argument should have been me and Thor or Peregrine V or Vedith and Creature for a valid argument.

Rach is conf town
Thor I have a strong town read on
PV may be scum but like Iroan and Gollum today based on A50s post. Vedith meh null lurker but Vedith lurks. Might be do for a prod.

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A single miller in this setup makes me laugh
so hard.
like what

Especially when no cops have flipped.

I think it is fake.

Will hammer Iroanavp but I really think Gollum should be lynched today.

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Wow... This definitely changes things. Gotta Go to work but me and my nacho cheese are glad they are alive.

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Intent to vote Iroanavp but don't know the VC at work can't read the whole thing but enough to see shit ton of votes.

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Can someone do a unofficial VC? I am at work and phone posting

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iroanavp

L-1 for him still at work

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VOTE: iroanavp

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Man that vig doesn't listen for shit. They need a hearing exam.

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Just kidding love you vig.

Or wait maybe just maybe ...

Math is insane mwhahAhahahahahaha

My nachos have turned me into a scum hunting God.

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You are scum Narna. Prepare to die.

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Why did you just hammer?

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iroanavp

L-1 for him still at work

.....I even called out L-1.

You need to die. In a fire of vigilance.

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And I am a THEM.

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What the ever loving fuck is this?

My nacho cheese is very confused.

No more red scum exist.

Still think scum is Narna.

Lapsa the red team was announced eliminated.

Narna I can't tell if your posts there are troll posts or meant for scum chat. But I still have a scum read on you.

VOTE: Narna

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As Blue as your avatar Narna.

Wrong if I was SK I wouldn't have killed Shaziro who Narna would follow and I would have no reason to kill Varsoon who townread me.

Flail harder.

Narna be scums.

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One more time Shaziro was going to follow Narna.

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No. But Shaziro and I talked through each follow.

It was a matter of when he was killed not if.

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As Blue as your avatar Narna.

Wrong if I was SK I wouldn't have killed Shaziro who Narna would follow and I would have no reason to kill Varsoon who townread me.

Flail harder.

Narna be scums.

Tell me more about how SK's should pick their kills, plz. I have never been one, so I'm at a loss. I'm sure the SK didn't kill Varsoon, but I will let you explain why SK!Narna would've killed either of them is separate cases.

The SK should be aiming to get to LyLo with either a blue scum or the scummiest townies they know.
Killing Vedith doesn't make sense for that since they were an inactive rock unless they already suspect who the last scum is with 5 blue dead. So therefore a two obvtownie flip makes a lot of sense. Shaziro either alignment could do and Varsoon was a Joat of unknown power could have a way to check the SK.

The SK if smart works with scum and mislynches a town. Then six alive. Then only scum shoot. 5 alive barring doctors. Then one more Mislynch then in mass claim an SK claims and then town is kingmaker.

This is why we lynch Narna now. I think they are scum you think SK either was is irrelevant we need to force the SK or scum out of the game if an SK exists.

PeregrineV -- Narna is being sarcastic about my nacho cheese.

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Oh! I misread that 2nd quote then.

Still, Math is not flipped, so you can't say this is how irao defended a scum buddy.

I'm going after the SK bc you are more dangerous now. No way Lapsa survives after you flip, and even if he doesn't get shot by the vig he is th clear designated lynch of tomorrow if things stay the way they are.

You on the other hand have been cruising, and -at one point- had me move you from a scumspect to semi-confirmed town. You're a very good manipulator.

Math is my townbuddy, he defended blue scum by targeting another blue scum d2.

If you misread the quote, what's the reason I'm scummy now then?

Oh hey I suck at this game

hard unfos

Math. I'm softing for here Math, get your vote off of me please.

PeregrineV -- Narna is being sarcastic about my nacho cheese.

Math gets it. I am not a role modifier. I don't believe someone who has a modifier for a role would push based on normalcy like this.

The Follower is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn what form of action they took that Night (investigation, protection, killing, etc), but not who they targeted.

Neopolitan is NOT a form.

Definition of Normal is all roles follow the wiki.
If this does not follow the wiki it is not normal.

Ergo if Shaziro is town follower and telling the truth the game is bastard.

1) They
2) Narna isn't softing anything for me I am only Macho.
3) Narna is just scums.
4) Macho is a standard role modifier. Why would I think anything else?

Please lynch Narna with all due haste.

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At work not sure what is up with this. I will read tonight.

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http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Macho

Still wish to claim that?

Macho is normal

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Already outed neighbor with Shaziro soooo

Put two and two together sheeple.

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gunsmith almost50 - no gun

doc Cookies on N2

commute on N3 (after refusal to claim)

[NEW!] track Skybird - targeted RachMarie Night 4

follow PeregrineV - no actions

+ unused vanilla cop

And what about the rest of the nights?

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I think it's you according to the list, but I don't mind. The role is useless at this point and I doubt I would be a nk target.

Deputy/Neighbor

I was laying low in the first half of the game in an effort to outlive the cop. I gave up on that after Skelda died, and I didn't inherit the vanilla cop. I made some illogical leaps to peg Math as macho cop instead of macho neighbor.

Why would you go to Macho cop?

When I have been screaming you scum four days straight?

Confessions of a guilty mind?

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Already claimed a billion times Macho Neighbor. However we should lynch Narna.

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I messaged him just now, I didn't inherit it.

Alrighty then. This should mean we do have a COP between PV & Math.

Or *gasp* Narna is full of shit and is scum.

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Lapsa explain it like I am a kindergartner. Why am I scum?

My role PM says town and I love breaking things down to their finer points and take your argument and figure out if you are SK or I have Blue and SK backwards or you are town.

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Math, would you believe me and my inactive role (like yours) if I had spouted a stupid rhyme with deputy all game?

If you did all game consistently since the beginning yes.

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Role doesn't always indicate alignment though.

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Lapsa explain it like I am a kindergartner. Why am I scum?

My role PM says town and I love breaking things down to their finer points and take your argument and figure out if you are SK or I have Blue and SK backwards or you are town.

What even links Lapsa to sk? He actively did jaot things.

His vault post. I have a hunch wanna sleep on it. Sweet dreams.

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Pgo isn't normal per the wiki only semi bastard games.

My endless nacho bullshit was a reference to nacho cheese
Nacho Nacho man was a parody of the Village Man.

I was just being threatening and see what shook.

Called being townie. Being macho being bravado.

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Going to sleep now.

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@Laspa -- No. Just think you and Narna are the likely scums.

Haven't seen good enough reasons why I am wrong so sticking to that.

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My former theory is now irrelevant.
Peregrine V is town or SK.

So it becomes a matter of if we trust Peregrine V.

I think I do. However if we lynch blue scum and the game doesn't end lynch Peregrine V.

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I think I want to hear who Peregrine V thinks is scum first. Lapsa was in my two before the claim but based on how this is laid out I want to see what PeregrineV's reads are before doing anything.

May be able to ferret if right before we lynch. Don't want to go forward without everyone's reads on paper.

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Yeah I no longer want to vote Lapsa.

Don't trust the claim anymore.

We need to vote PV.

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VOTE: Peregrine V

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Nope. We need less kills.

Let's assume you are the town vig.

Then tomorrow it is 1 scum 5 alive.

Let's assume you are the SK and we lynch you same answer.

Let's assume you are the SK and we don't lynch you and lynch scum and the game doesn't end.

1 SK remains >> you GG no re.

Let's assume you are the SK and we lynch town.

1 v 4 with two scum left and the two towns have to lynch the other townie and hope scum cross kill.

Objectively lynching you is the best thing we can do.

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See my prior post.

We have a strong likelihood of losing if we don't lynch PV.

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Nope. We need less kills.

Let's assume you are the town vig.

Then tomorrow it is 1 scum 5 alive.

Let's assume you are the SK and we lynch you same answer.

Let's assume you are the SK and we don't lynch you and lynch scum and the game doesn't end.

1 SK remains >> you GG no re.

Let's assume you are the SK and we lynch town.

1 v 4 with two scum left and the two towns have to lynch the other townie and hope scum cross kill.

Objectively lynching you is the best thing we can do.

For your reference

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Ok worst case scenario:

We lynch Lapsa and he flips town

Leaving us with:
PeregrineV
Narna
RachMarie
Elyse
Almost50
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Scum kills A50 or RachMarie (wait A50 why didn't you protect RachMarie?)

We force Pere to kill Narna. Narna flips town. Rach/Almost flips town. Leaving us with:

PeregrineV
Elyse
Almost50/RachMarie
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If Pere is SK and Math is scum (what did math claim? sorry I'm awful with remembering claims this game) then we are screwed but leashing Pere will give us a higher chance of killing scum first and then lynching him if the game doesn't end. And if he doesn't listen then we lynch him and blue scum wins. So if he is SK, his best chance of winning is to listen to us anyway.

P-edit: Yeah the strongman thing is important, and neither Varsoon or Shaziro really makes sense as a vig kill.

Force peregrine V to do something is stupid lol. He would play to wincon. Town has no leash left. Then if four left and no cross kill town has to lynch town and pray for Cross kill. I am not a praying person.

I am macho neighbor that's all folks.

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I left out the citizen *sigh* I claimed the spirit not word for word as that can be considered PM quoting

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Yay Elyse!

Once I knew there was an SK I should have voted Elyse so fast. Well done Elyse!

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Yeah I kept submitting nachos as if they were powers XD

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1) Gunsmith is not a cop.
2) Too many guilties. Thought some of them had to be bussing.
3) Wouldn't lynch or consider DGB when I caught them on page one.

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"Guilties"*

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There comes a point when if a cop has guilties on a quarter of the game it is just...No. Beyond plausibility.

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@Titus still am right Neopolitan with Masons is a scum claim XD

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Like cb was a scum gunsmith because they were treating their guilties like cop guilties? I don't see it.

Titus doesn't make mechanical mistakes like that.

Gunsmith is for innocents only.

Titus got lucky.

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There comes a point when if a cop has guilties on a quarter of the game it is just...No. Beyond plausibility.

Yes, people can have games that good.

I needed DGB to tell me she was scum before lynching her.
You believed she was early ok.

If you believed I was insane bussing both factions, why not ride along until I was wrong?
It's kinda like masons. It's only a problem for scum unless you got evidence to the contrary.

No it isn't.

Remember the infinity game? He fucking coasted on cop claim.

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Yeah he did.

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Just like how gunsmiths don't claim guilties. Pot kettle.