The Thing Mafia - Game over!

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Second in the draft.
Not bad.

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Spoiler: Post

Goatmeal - 5
Fire Assassin - 9
McMenno - 11
hi Im Yakko - 12
Errantparabola - 14
Generation X - 17
Flames682 - 29
Creature - 33
Wraith - 50
Untrod Tripod - 69
Tammy - 3 (1st)
Yume - 3 (2nd)
Andrius - 8 (1st)
MagnaOfIllusion - 8 (2nd)
Espeonage - 1 (1st)
drealmerz7 - 1 (2nd)
DiamondSentinel - 1 (3rd)
SpyreX - 6 (1st)
Spiffeh - 6 (2nd)
PeregrineV - 6 (3rd)
Skybird - 6 (4th)

I know this is WIFOM bait, but I do think pregame there was some shenigans with scum team organizing two of them to pick same number, definitely think its in the sixes too. Wouldn't mind pushing any of them once we finish the draft.

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Just to quickly make sure:

@Mod The scum team did have pregame chat, right?

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However I will say that there is likely scum in the people who picked single digits. Not all, just some.
~GE

13 players picked single digit numbers.
Out of 21 players.

You realize this right?

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I can believe 3 players independently picked the number one without talking to each other about it. So I think its likely that none of those players are aligned as scum with each other.

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Amazing, I think quite the opposite. Why in God's name would the scumteam ever want to pick last?

I don't think they planned it out so they would pick last.
I think possibly two of them picked a number the same so that once one flips the other looks more townie for it.

Two players picking the same number wont result in them being last, they got last because 4 players got that number.

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Three people can independently pick the same number, but 4 cannot?

You've won my vote!

The number they "independently" picked was 6.
Think about it in simple psychology.

What is special about that number?
Nothing.

Pure coincidence I am sure 2 maybe 3 people pick that number out of 21 people. But this was four people.

Now think about the number 1.
What is special about it?
Ohh the fact that its the first number in the sequence?
People will psychologically think "Hey nobody will ever really pick 1".

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So everyone who picked the same number are unaligned with each other?
Okay, how about for just posterity we pressure one of the 6s because they still can be scum even if you disagree with my theory.

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Oh I remember this debate playing out in the last pick your power game I replaced into. I'll have to check back and see how the alignment distribution played out.

Yeah, this debate plays out everytime.
Last one I played I believe scum didn't have day chat but accidentally picked same numbers. I believe many town cleared them for that when one flipped. I don't remember all the details.

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Were you in that game?

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I have strong early townread on PeregrineV btw.

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I would like it if we could plan out what roles are off limits to weak town vs strong town players here, but I generally find that unfeasible thing to do.
Give the weakest roles to the Null/scum players.

If they go for strong roles, we lynch.

Don't think thats really reasonably possible, but would like to do it.

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Not the first time one of my ideas has been shot down.
Will not be the last.

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Scum lean on Skybird.

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Treestump is good in the hands of town that aren't going to get bored and forget about the game because they're confirmed and can't vote.

You also need it in the hands of someone charismatic so people will actually head their advice because most problems with confirm town is nobody gives a shit about your opinion

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Scum lean on Skybird.

Tammy, I do see the point that the tree stump can be useful. But I'm still rather glad that I won't get it.

You are scummy, you have a rebuttal beyond rolling your eyes?

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hi

I want Tammy to have the treestump

This is my only wish

Sky bird plus Spiffeh.
Calling it.

They are both sixes too.

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Scum lean on Skybird.

Tammy, I do see the point that the tree stump can be useful. But I'm still rather glad that I won't get it.

You are scummy, you have a rebuttal beyond rolling your eyes?

This is really bad. You have no authority yet, and you have no case. Get back in the line.

Nobody uttered a word on authority.
I am trying to engage with Skybird.
Would you so kindly but out?

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butt*

My other part of me says thank you again Spiffeh.
Now assassin aks why you want strong town having tree stump over power roles that can PoE scum better?

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What should I get?

Powerful role

Mid strength role

Weak role

Mid strength

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I prefer sky bird or Spiffeh is very likely one or both are scum.

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I prefer sky bird or Spiffeh is very likely one or both are scum.

For tree stump or lynch, either one.

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I'm honestly surprised Fire didn't go off at me for chainsawing.

I thought about it and came to conclusion it's way too fucking early for a chainsaw

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I think you are crazy if you think you can read me after two posts. This is more of OMGUS because I called you out for trying to organize everything from the git go and calling people scummy simply for picking the same number that other people did. That is so weak it's not worth more than an eyeroll.

You are making some scummy posts.
and this just tells me you don't know how to react to me.
Do you call me scum for it? No, can't do that this early.
Do you call me town for it? Well then it looks weird because you just said you didn't like what I was doing.

It's like I reading into a dilemma you are having.

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I'm honestly surprised Fire didn't go off at me for chainsawing.

I thought about it and came to conclusion it's way too fucking early for a chainsaw

Any reasons why it is early enough for a drilling but not a chainsaw?

What purpose would defending a buddy serve at this stage when none of us can vote?

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And how exactly does one force a "big" player into the treestump role?

"X will use the treestump role the best. Anyone else who picks the treestump role gets turbolynched when Day starts."

She meant how do you force player to pick the role if they don't want it.

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Just because opportunity to exist doesn't mean you do it.
If it serves no immediate purpose or even long term purpose what point is there to do it?

i don't believe chainsaw is as common as you are making it out to be.

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Why is everyone asking questions that have been answered already?

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Creature is town.

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Am I the only one forming reads or just the only on announcing them?

Town: Espeonage, Creature, PeregrineV
Scum : skybird, Spiffeh

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/call me when people stop talking about roles

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This is going to be a long game.....

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The people who professing tree stump as a good/powerful role are very low on my respect bar right now.
Not like my respect means much but I am noting it for future unrelated irrelevant attacks on arguments for you guys.

down the road.....
Player x: player y is totally town.
Me: your opinion is invalid because you think tree stump is a good role so you lack sound judgement

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UT is the voice of reason.

Dear god.....

I can make a crazy drinking game out of this game as "stuff I thought would never be said"

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Btw Espeonage had by far the worst reaction to my Tammy treestump suggestion

And no it's NOT just because he disagreed with me

Espeonage is pretty disconnected from current meta and him being wary of just "sheeps" while silly to us, I can see from his perspective.

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Errant
Transcend. Won. A. Mafia. Games.

I mean it was against Firebringer, and he sucks as scum. And town.
Not much of an accomplishment.

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Yeah Firebringer is the worst I hate him

Truer words have never been spoken.

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Hi I'm Yakko.
Prepare to wear dunce cap because we can't vote yet.

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Then pick?

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I am Dr Sandor Halverson

This.

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I am Dr Sandor Halverson

Wait, is FA a hydra? It doesn't say it in the OP.

Also that was the most powerful role in my evaluation. I

really

hope FA is town now.

Most powerful role for the most powerful town player.

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I am going to keep laughing until someone points it out to her.

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I am going to keep laughing until someone points it out to her.

Don't know what it is.

But still if you're firebringer, why'd you act like you didn't know me if spiffehs whole tree stump thing.

I am not Firebringer.

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@Mod Just put my heads in main post since one is outed.

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Okay it was funny when it was just Tammy but now it's just sad.
Like for gods sake you can do a topic check and see I've played normal games.

I am Firebringers alt.

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To troll you.

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This is why I can't be silly on this account.

Anyways enough detracting from game.
I think Tammy is gullible town.
I also don't want her being a treestump, Spiffeh would be better.

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And this person has a doublevote.

And I'll be sure to be voting scum for days to come.

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McKenna might need to be pm'd that it's his turn. I don't think he came in here today.

Cakez sent me a pm when it was my turn, and mcmenno was here earlier.

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Tammy you can put me in the neighborhood if you want.
I will be pretty active in it.

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Why not say why you think someone is town? I don't understand why town would keep their reasons hidden.

p-edit: Sorry, I didn't get the memo that you get to tell me what my reads are.

This post actually makes me want to townread Skybird.

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Kind of but not enough:

Vote 1: Skybird
Vote 2: Errantparabola

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i think that post was really bad, but w/e.

~T

It was the sassy I don't give a fuck what you think my reads are attitude. But it's not enough for me to think she isn't scum.

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You going to answer why you aren't going to explain your reads Gen X? I'll even give you time to come up with a reason 'cause it's bedtime for me. Alternately you could just say a couple of words on why you hold the reads you do.

p-edit: FA you are so bad at reading me it isn't even funny. When I flip town, I hope the rest of town looks hard at you.

If you aren't scum can you stop posting as if you are? Cause I swear the number of times a scum player has said "you have no clue how to read me" is off the charts.

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So FA is likely town. I've pretty much learned when he says something that annoys me and I find scummy he is probably town.

Should I sub out?

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I am just curious in all hell, how you can claim somethings like that when you have never played a game with me when I was scum.
So basically you said "he is scummy and annoying every game I have played with him"

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So FA is likely town. I've pretty much learned when he says something that annoys me and I find scummy he is probably town.

Should I sub out?

No...I am saying that is the reason for my initial townread of you. Why would you sub out because I townread you?

-- Math

Because your meta read is garbage and I am already annoyed by you saying that I was scummy in my other games.

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I was thinking diamond was town but now I am like wtf is Double Trouble.

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Forget my comments on Double. Will reanalyze them later in the game. Diamond posts basically makes it so I am not lynching that slot for foreseeable future.

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What about the scummy sky bird?

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Because you were scummy in the prior games. E.g. Mass claim early and you are scummy here in asking Skybird to change how they post. Instead of pressuring them to see if they are scum you ask them not to post scummily if they are town.

You and I have different play styles and town can play scummy without being scum.

We disagree on playstyle. I also replaced into a game where you were scum and read it rather thoroughly. You just happened to be dead when I replaced in. To say I do not have experience with your scum game is a lie. I think this one is your town game.

-- Math

I can go into this further if anyone cares but rather not, but this has now given me proof Double Trouble is town.

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I'm actually for real serious about espionage.

Want to go into this further? His early posts pinged town to me.

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Sorry, I didn't get the memo that you get to tell me what my reads are.

Town

I thought it was townie too, but read the next post by hers.

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Its 99% that post i quoted and being a 1. Theres not more but it rings in the deep belly.

I am not seeing the fakeness there.....

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Wait did the neighboring thing already go through? Guess I wasn't chosen.

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VOTE: double trouble

For the good of America. For the good of us all.

Double trouble is town.
Get your filthy vote of them.

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VOTE: double trouble

For the good of America. For the good of us all.

Double trouble is town.
Get your filthy vote of them.

I'm willing to make the sacrifice so no one has to read their posts anymore

Just ignore them like I am doing.
It just takes a little effort to scroll down and not read.

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Which is none, BTW.
~both GE

Glad you added that bit, otherwise I was going to ask what the right reasons were.

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I should reanalyze the mechanics of the rooms and stuff.
Can scum kill only happen in room they occupy? (Kind of doubt it).

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Spoiler: OP POST

As well, scum have 4 1-shot abilities that can be used factionally, but only under specific circumstances.

A 1-shot Strongman that may only be used on someone in the same room as the scum performing the kill that night
A 1-shot Ninja that may only be used on someone in the same room as the scum performing the kill that night
A 1-shot Roleblock that may only be used on someone in the same room as the scum performing the roleblock that night
A 1-shot Commute that may only be used if the scum using it is alone in a room

Looks like scum kills are only limited if they are performed using these 1 shots.

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Because if her neighborhood gets a room it can become a day chat.

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Who is mcm?
Also would like to hear more on why you have UT as town. They haven't said much in regards to game.

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Is hating hydras the "cool thing" now? You kids and your fads

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I went ahead and reviewed my game with espionage, admittedly it was quite a while ago. There's a few key things missing there than here to make me think town. He is much less abrasive here than there, and defensive. So my thoughts are still townie. Though the situations are admittedly different.

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It's clearly not cool enough yet

So what, you the hipsters of mafia scum?

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Yume would also be a great vig target though, I can agree to that

I can agree with that.

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Great vig targets for Goatmeal in order of my preference: Flames682, hi im Yakko, McMenno, PeregrineV, Yume

Take out peregrineV and Mcmenno, rest I'll agree with.

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Fire, how are you downgrading Mcm?

And Andy. Let's chat some time.

I think it was more townie to pick that role by mcmenno, someone did an analysis of that pick earlier (i think it was moi) and I tend to agree with it.

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Does anyone care to explain the Yume hate? No one seems to want to explain it to me and I'm not about to go to the Speakeasy for answers but all I know is she's an alt and there's a sizeable amount of people who avoid her. If the topic gives you PTSD please forgive me but she hasn't done ANYTHING yet besides not get Windows and she's made the deathlist.
This is the last time I'll ask. Thank you.

Let me put it here. Warning, it will give you PTSD.

Spoiler: Reasons

It is a user who had another account, which had a game limitation for games. Because they flaked in a lot of games.
They made a alt (Yume). The game restriction was no longer being enforced (The mod team directly told me they were no longer enforcing it, for w/e reason. I guess it being over a year old)
They flaked and posted little to no content in many games. About 6 in around a month.
When they did post, they only attacks directed at user about things unrelated to the game. It was just mostly fighting because of either past games or made the game something personal.

That is about sums it up.
Most people have had bad experience with them. I know I have had my fair share.

We can all move on.

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At this point I really want to fight Tammy on like half the stuff she is saying.

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Wait did the neighboring thing already go through? Guess I wasn't chosen.

Please don't take offense to that.

I feel like I should be offended now that you tell me I shouldn't be.

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Double Trouble will be the hardest to read probably and mostly in part because it is weird that Diamond Sentinel signed up for a draft game knowing the type of game it was and replaced out because of the type of game it was.

No, they are obvious town.
I have a full proof way of reading Math that has now a 100% success rate over 4 games.

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I don't want to spend my night taking Tammy posts bit by bit.
I don't even know what that will accomplish.

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Double Trouble will be the hardest to read probably and mostly in part because it is weird that Diamond Sentinel signed up for a draft game knowing the type of game it was and replaced out because of the type of game it was.

No, they are obvious town.
I have a full proof way of reading Math that has now a 100% success rate over 4 games.

What's your read on UT?

I have no clue.
Usually I can read low content people like him, but someone with experience with him will have to explain their reasoning.

I don't feel like he is manipulative in anyway, but he definitely hasn't shown me a color.

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I don't want to spend my night taking Tammy posts bit by bit.
I don't even know what that will accomplish.

Probably nothing. I can already tell from the way you're interacting with me I'd not value anything you said. But go ahead master mafia player!!!

Nice snark.
2 points to Hufflepuff.

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Doesn't it bother you that all he's done is essentially throw NAI shade at hydras and claim that he'll be really good as a tree stump? Particularly since you're townreading us?

~Titus

He hasn't really thrown shade at hydras. He says he hates hydras.
Which is something NAI because he said this everywhere else including I believe in sign ups.

I don't know what the treestump has to do with anything because I took those statements as him trolling, which seems to be quite a few of his posts.

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Fire Assassin's posts are strange and I don't know whether to townread or scumread him based on that.
I'll go with a townread because it doesn't feel particularly scum motivated.
~GE

Why do you keep bringing up your townread on me?
Like this is the third time, you have mentioned townreading me.

Its like you either continuously forget it or have to continuously re access me and come to same conclusion.
Whats going on?

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Generation X might be scum.

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Fire Assasin: I didn't like Fire Assasin's interactions with Skybird at first because I thought he was interacting with her to make her seem scummy, but I liked that he came out townreading her because it means he did it to determine her alignment, not just make her blow up and attack her for it. So in the end, town.

I forgot to address this, but I never said I townread Skybird. And I feel its weird you didn't see that to begin with. I said "I almost want to townread Skybird for this post" implication was that it was a townie post. Not that she was town.

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More of just a "is this coming from town or scum?" post.

But what exactly is the purpose of bringing it up if your read on me hasn't changed?
Both you and your other head said you townread me. What was the purpose of saying "Ohh I am leaning town on this post"?

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Oh I remember the thing that I looked a bit askance to with UT getting tree stump was him saying now mafia can't shut me up hahahahaha. Except, don't people typically scum read UT? And if so, is he really night kill bait? Unless he was referring to himself as mislynch bait, which I'm just thinking of now.

you know, if you're going to meta me you should probably attempt to actually know things

That's like the bullshittiest pile of bullshit that ever bullshat

Well now you are in the scum pile.

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Okay, I guess skybird is town.
Not liking that development. Really thought I had something there.
UNVOTE: Skybird

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I find Peregrine a bit underwhelming.

Everyone almost always does. Read his first few posts in this game. He basically tried to start a fight with me over nothing.
No idea why he would do that as scum beyond just to appear more active.

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Fire Assassin, does your Gen X scumread in 935 come from 932?

Yes. Its not much at all to it, it could just be annoyance disguised as scummy.

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Because I felt like subbing in!
I did it with the walking dead I'll do it here also so
s u c k i t
or vote me either works *shrug*
I'll re read if I feel like it.

Town.

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Idk I feel like Goatmeal has been doing a lot with the intention to "look" town instead of just naturally doing shit AS town

Like their whole plan for the night actions and this post

I am on the fence about them.
On one hand, everyone seems to have them as a scumread which sends me bad signals.
Then you have stuff like that plan of night actions, which I see ZERO scum motivation in order to do.
In fact, thats something way more likely to come out of town because scum are more worried about appearances of trying to be domineering over actions.

That sounds naturally town, not trying to look town.

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I guess I convinced myself midway that Goat is more town than scum.

I really need scumreads here.
Can someone do something obviously scummy?

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You don't seem to have changed your mind on these.

I meant strong scumreads.
And your no longer scum, your in the null pile.

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Vote 1: Errantparabola
Vote 2: UT

THese are two good votes.

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Fire is also most likely town.

Why?

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Did you just......
Ugh. I need a drink.

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Generation flattery will get you everywhere but in my town reads.

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I would like to know your reasoning on townreading Yume.
I have seen nothing to sway me one way or the other.

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I think in all the duplicate numbers, there was one (1) scum.

Leaning MOI for 8 and Espeo for 1.

As for 6, I have no idea. Maybe PV honestly.

That seems like a weird theory....So scum and town picked same numbers several times without coordination? The odds of that seem low....

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Yeah, and there's always possibility scum didn't coordinate any number choices at all to make the debate of numbers even more futile.

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Spoiler: double trouble

Idk I feel like Goatmeal has been doing a lot with the intention to "look" town instead of just naturally doing shit AS town

Like their whole plan for the night actions and this post

I am on the fence about them.
On one hand, everyone seems to have them as a scumread which sends me bad signals.
Then you have stuff like that plan of night actions, which I see ZERO scum motivation in order to do.
In fact, thats something way more likely to come out of town because scum are more worried about appearances of trying to be domineering over actions.

That sounds naturally town, not trying to look town.

And if they were your posts I would call if non alignment indicative or scummy

I would plan night actions all the time as scum...so why can't scum?

I need DGB hugs before getting a read there.[/quote]

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How did that get botched so much?

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Does Spyrex lurk as scum?
Seems really inactive in this game.

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Gooosssssh andy we get it you're town

Are you though?

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Care to share with the class?

I have nothing to share right now. Mild suspicion at most.

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Okay time to iso some peoplez

GIVE ME NAMES

Alfred.

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Okay time to iso some peoplez

GIVE ME NAMES

Alfred.

You know what I mean give me a name in the game to iso please fire

Well people seem highly opionated on these two:

Goatmeal
Espeonage

Id be more interested though on your thoughts on:
Untrod Tripod
Errantparabola
Generation X

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I can answer that for you.
DT is most assuredly, not scum.

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Funny, I think the same of yours so far.

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Do I really need to go quote the BS wall posts he made and shade posting goat has made like half the shade is just to make you doubt someone or discredit someone without outting a sr because he doesn't have the balls to do it or wants to draw attention to himself
Oh btw goat I did re read in that game you were "reading" so kindly f off

it's customary to explain your votes, yes

Interesting:
UNVOTE: Errantparabola

Vote 1: UT
Vote 2: UT

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Right now I'm pretty confident in a townbloc of myself, Spiffeh, Andrius, Tammy, and MoI.

I am currently wondering how people can claim to read MoI, I am completely incapable at this point.
Do you have good experience with him to understand his differences in scum and town?

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The people who are townreading UT, need to really convince me that he is town, cause like. I see nothing town in his ISO, and usually I can say that some posts are townie or scummy in anyones ISO.

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read the last page and tell me that DT isn't scum

Haha wrong hyydra

VOTE: dt

Bad vote.

One of UT/SPyrex is like guaranteed scum in my mind right now.

Inb4 someone says I am lining up lynches.

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Fire, why not both?

They don't talk to each other like I expect scum buddies to talk to each other.

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Maria, can you give me some reads on the players I asked you to ISO?

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Inb4 someone says I am lining up lynches.

delete ur account

Fite me.

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Creature is town.

As of lately, I am having doubts of this, as Creature is starting to lurk a bit for this game.

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Sure, as long as we use protection.
I am not a dirty assassin.

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I assume that if UT dies, his alignment flips still, right? What use is a Scum Treestump other than to troll the game after they die?

UT is probably my biggest town read if the above is correct.

There isn't much point to a treestump for scum, other than ensure strong town didn't get it.
Also to troll the game as you mentioned it.

Treestump is still a pretty useless role altogether.
I am not going to go into the WIFOM debate over roles right now.

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What the fuck.
HOW IS IT THAT WE ARE THE ONES WHO GET SHIT FOR TOWNREADING UT'S PICK AND NO ONE ELSE?
CALL THIS JEALOUSY I DON'T GIVE A SHIT THIS IS BLATANT HYPOCRACY
~GE

They are also shit for thinking that.

Happy now?

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UT, if you want to have sex. I am going to need a reads list first too.
Please provide that when you can.

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Did anyone else but me, try to read Tammy post and just came out of it bewildered on any of her opinions on people?
Like, I got zero information out of those long winded post.
Just looked like fence sitting.

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nope it was just you

That moment I agree with you.
My god.

What has the game become?

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you know maybe

just maybe

we could be friends if you'd just try to see things from my perspective

It would help if you post more than sarcastic replies for me to see a better perspective.
For instance, you implied I knew who you scum reads were, which I didn't know.

So if you can tell, I don't know where your head is.
Want to help me out?

Also, friends are for outside the games. Not inside.
If you want a friend inside a mafia game, go buddy it up with that loser Firebringer.

[Fire Assassin]

Oh shit, if we lynch Goatmeal today Maria gets a Vig shot

I don't now what to do with my metaphorical hands

I need to think about this at work tomorrow

Wait I do?
HELL YEAH

Maria, did you finish up the people people everyone had opinions on?
I saw you comment on the people I was interested hearing from, didn't see that.

[Fire Assassin]

Oh shit, if we lynch Goatmeal today Maria gets a Vig shot

I don't now what to do with my metaphorical hands

I need to think about this at work tomorrow

Wait I do?
HELL YEAH

Maria, did you finish up the people people everyone had opinions on?
I saw you comment on the people I was interested hearing from, didn't see that.

[Fire Assassin]

Tammy, when your well rested.
Would like to hear some reads and analysis on why your reads are like that.
Thanks.

[Fire Assassin]

I'll give reads as I give them and have them in my own time.

I like you

-_-

[Fire Assassin]

Goat meal just looks VI to me right now. Don't know what the fuss is all anout

[Fire Assassin]

I am always scum darling.

[Fire Assassin]

Yes.

[Fire Assassin]

I am always scum darling.

No you're not
~GE and the previous one as well

I am scum in about 10% of my games. So how dare you.

[Fire Assassin]

I have finally decided based on that reads post that andrius gave that he is town.
They are kind of terrible reads but it looked like something a townie would make over scum imo.

I had been only leaning town on them till recently.
Feels good to come to a decision.

[Fire Assassin]

What doesn't make sense for you darling?

[Fire Assassin]

UT and spurex seem like one is hardcore buddying the other. You basically have one wheeling the other in all instances of this game. And spyrex approach to the game looks like he is making no attempts to solve game.
UT is just as bad since I still have no idea on his reads and he actually thinks DT is scum is a joke.

Ugh.

[Fire Assassin]

Appears on my list as a leaning scumread.
Decides that my reads are terrible, but they make me look town?

Would you like me to expand on it? Because looking at your scum reads I thought they made a lot of sense being aligned together if you had scum reads on one or two of them and just tied the rest together. That's why I think it looks townie even though I extremely disagree with you.

[Fire Assassin]

I just explained it.

[Fire Assassin]

What doesn't make sense for you darling?

What do you think a town reads list would be compared to a scum one
cause I don't see your POINT

A scum read list is one trying to look town but isn't town.
They are trying to skate by.
When I looked at andrius I felt like it made sense from his perspective.
Yeah I didn't agree with it, but it definitely didn't seem like a scum trying to fake scum hunt.

[Fire Assassin]

Someone pls vig UT.
This coming from someone who ducking despises people who try to direct vig kills.

[Fire Assassin]

ffs

"effort therefore town" is the laziest thing jesus christ

That is not what I said or implied.
I was lenient to call him town because of that bias of effort = town.

your fake outrage here isn't townie.

[Fire Assassin]

Double Trouble I'll sheep you, who should I vote?

[Fire Assassin]

Vote 1: Goatmeal
vote 2: Goatmeal

Not a huge fan of this lynch since I consider it VI. But I would like for this game to progress.

[Fire Assassin]

There's no real point in waiting on L-1 for claim, but just to stop lol hammers.
That is now L-2

[Fire Assassin]

Not really concerned with all that since I am not going to roleblock anyone.
I just want a flip.

[Fire Assassin]

Ok you're right let's ignore all the plans that we've come up with and I guess we can pray that everyone's on the same page

because YOU want a flip

If you are so against a flip at this moment, you know you can unvote, right?
Like you have power to delay this out.

Are you just being purposefully air headed?

[Fire Assassin]

UNVOTE:

There we go.

[Fire Assassin]

Fire Assassin can you explain why you are certain that Double Trouble is town?

It can be summed as MathBlade town annoys the hell out of me and makes me want to rip my hair out.
MathBlade scum is not as annoying and tries to work with players and is reasonable.

One of maths first few posts in the game triggered my rage.

[Fire Assassin]

Because you were scummy in the prior games. E.g. Mass claim early and you are scummy here in asking Skybird to change how they post. Instead of pressuring them to see if they are scum you ask them not to post scummily if they are town.

You and I have different play styles and town can play scummy without being scum.

We disagree on playstyle. I also replaced into a game where you were scum and read it rather thoroughly. You just happened to be dead when I replaced in. To say I do not have experience with your scum game is a lie. I think this one is your town game.

-- Math

This gave me flashbacks to Yuri.

[Fire Assassin]

Yume didn't pick up her prod and will be replaced.

What else is new, can Yume be site-banned?

-DGB

I want to unvote you for just this post

[Fire Assassin]

Why is dreamers calling people. Scummy or town due to a play style?

[Fire Assassin]

Someone assign me a room, I don't care.

[Fire Assassin]

I am now thinking I am wrong on UT but my reasoning is pretty stupid.

[Fire Assassin]

I want to go to the kennel.

[Fire Assassin]

I wanted to go before you posted that, you just happened to post a few seconds before me.

[Fire Assassin]

Are you being real right now?

[Fire Assassin]

Why would scum want me in the kennel?

[Fire Assassin]

If your going to give me troll responses I am just going to assume your an idiot.

[Fire Assassin]

you're*

My play style can change, but my grammar and spelling will always be the same.
Thank you for your help Spiffeh

[Fire Assassin]

My scum team told me to tell you, that I was watching porn in between those posts.

[Fire Assassin]

Don't shoot the messenger.

[Fire Assassin]

Is the infirmary taken?
DT, Spiffeh lets go there.

[Fire Assassin]

Site wide V/LA till Subday.

Don't mind this new wagon at all. Interesting

[Fire Assassin]

UNVOTE: ALL
Did we add more time due to downtime?

How much for me to comment on now.

[Fire Assassin]

I only yell because It makes your ego go down.

A persons ego can never go down.
Even when beaten to a pulp it comes back just as strong.

It has the best healing mechanism known to man.
God bless the ego.

[Fire Assassin]

I changed my mind on quickly ending day.
Transcend what's with attitude on speeding up day btw?

[Fire Assassin]

I just realized with my two votes I can hammer and end this day.....
Ohhh the temptation.

I love double voter, have I mentioned that?

Hmmmmm considering if there's anything to actually gain by waiting with my finger on trigger here.

[Fire Assassin]

Five minutes till I hammer, because cakes is on.
Make your peace people. We are going to see a flip.

[Fire Assassin]

Humans' Reference

Welcome to the Humans' Reference. (Format shamelessly stolen from hitogoroshi.) Because there are actions that would benefit Things if they could get away with them,

ignorance of the Humans' Reference is no excuse

. Please read thoroughly.

Spoiler: Spoiler: Official Notes

Note the First: Ensure drealmerz7's compliance with night actions.

Note the Second: SpyreX eats a vendors faaace

Note the Third: Vig all the hydras

Note the Fourth: Tammy selects a room for the 'hood before room phase is over.

Note the Fifth: Coordinate vig room before room phase.

---

Spoiler: Spoiler: Player Reference, with Character and Ability Notes

Listed in order of draft, as per the OP:

Goatmeal - Garry - Room-specific 1shot Vig.
Fire Assassin - Halverson - Doublevoter and room-specific Roleblocker.
Toogeloo - Dr. Copper - Room-specific Doctor.
Errantparabola - Edvard - Room Watcher. Learns who targeted someone in the room from outside.
Generation X - MacReady - Quarantiner. Roleblocks and Neighborizes someone for a night.
MariaR - Bennings - Universal Backup. Backs up the first dead role, aka D1 Lynch.
Creature - Derek - Room Lockdowner. People in the locked down room cannot target outside of the room.
Wraith - Peder - BP until [Goatmeal] dies. 1shot Room-specific Vig upon [Goatmeal]'s death.
Untrod Tripod - Clark - Treestump.
Tammy - Windows - 3shot Neighborizer. Nighttalk. If all neighbors share a room at night, they get Daytalk the next day.
1 Shot Vanilla Townie - Blair - Midnight Modposter. Can quote one PT.
Andrius - Carter - Jailkeeper.
MagnaofIllusion - Norris - Saboteur. RB and Room-specific Follower.
Espeonage - Fuchs - Tracker who tracks target to Rooms, not people.
drealmerz7 - Lars - 2shot Bus Driver and Room Redirector. The redirection happens during the Room Phase.
DoubleTrouble - Childs - 1shot Bulletproof. Can pass it to another player if they share the same room.
SpyreX - Colin - Reflexive Roleblocker. Can use this 3 times each night.
Spiffeh - Adam - 2shot Commuter.
PeregrineV - Kate - Closes a room. Attendees move down to the next available room.
Skybird - Nauls - Fruit Vendor to one person anywhere, or all people in the current room.

---

Spoiler: NAR

NAR list

Palmer's vengekill
MacReady's roleblock (resolves during Room Phase, guaranteed to go through)
Halverson's vote roleblocks (votes are placed at day, roleblocks guaranteed to go through if in same room)
Adam's commuting
Colin's triple roleblock
Lars's bus driving
Norris's Saboteur
Carter's jailkeep
Copper's protection
Childs's vest transfer
Nightkills (scum, Garry, Peder)
Nauls's food vending
Fuchs's tracking/Edvard's watching

Miscellaneous: Blair's modposting, Windows's pregame neighborizations, Clark's treestumping, Benning's Universal Backup, Kate's room block, Jameson's room lockdown, Lars's room redirecting

---

Spoiler: WIP Plan N1

Room Capacity is 1/3 of the living players. N1 will be 7, as per mod.

Rec Room (Kill Room):

Goatmeal (Bullets), McMenno (Target), Wraith (Bulletproof or Backup Bullets).

Laboratory:

Tammy (Windows), [Neighbors], Andrius (JK), Espeonage (Tracker).

Infirmary (Safe Room):

Toog (Doc),

MariaR (New Doctor), DoubleTrouble (for MariaR), ErrantParabola (Watcher), Creature (Lockdowner).

Kennels:

SpyreX (Reflex), Skybird (Vendor), UT (Stump), Fire Assassin (Doublevote Blocker).

Kitchen (PeregrineV's Closed Room):

1 Shot Vanilla Townie, drealmerz7, MagnaofIllusion, Spiffeh, Generation X.

Living Quarters (PeregrineV's Control Room):

PeregrineV (Closer), [everyone else listed in the Kitchen].

Radio Room:

OPEN

Requests: n/a


1. drealmerz Redirects McMenno to Rec Room
2. GenX Quarantines [Someone who doesn't have a night action below]
3. Spiffeh decides on Commute
4. SpyRex picks his Roleblock targets
5. drealmerz DOES NOT Bus Drive
6. MoI Sabotages drealmerz
7. Andrius Jailkeeps Tammy
8. Creature Locks Down Rec Room
9. MariaR Protects ???
10. DT decides on Vest Transfer
11. Goatmeal shoot McMenno
12. Scum Nightkill
13. Skybird Vends to The Kennels
14. Errant Watches the Infirmary
15. Espy Tracks target of his choice

---

If you have any questions/concerns/comments/improvements please let me know. If you can't open spoiler tags for some reason, let me know and I'll organize the next one in another way.

As the days go on this Reference will be updated to reflect changing circumstances. For example, Room Coordination will be posted here, as well as things like who Firebringer will be blocking because of his votes. If for some reason you are told to not action at night, for example, there's a good reason behind it.

Plan above means all rooms with people in them have at least three people.

Your going to kitchen here.

[Fire Assassin]

And quarantine someone who doesn't have a night action.

[Fire Assassin]

Hammer in two minutes, comments/concerns?
Follow andrius plan.
Deviate and get lynched.

[Fire Assassin]

Humans' Reference

Welcome to the Humans' Reference. (Format shamelessly stolen from hitogoroshi.) Because there are actions that would benefit Things if they could get away with them,

ignorance of the Humans' Reference is no excuse

. Please read thoroughly.

Spoiler: Spoiler: Official Notes

Note the First: Ensure drealmerz7's compliance with night actions.

Note the Second: SpyreX eats a vendors faaace

Note the Third: Vig all the hydras

Note the Fourth: Tammy selects a room for the 'hood before room phase is over.

Note the Fifth: Coordinate vig room before room phase.

---

Spoiler: Spoiler: Player Reference, with Character and Ability Notes

Listed in order of draft, as per the OP:

Goatmeal - Garry - Room-specific 1shot Vig.
Fire Assassin - Halverson - Doublevoter and room-specific Roleblocker.
Toogeloo - Dr. Copper - Room-specific Doctor.
Errantparabola - Edvard - Room Watcher. Learns who targeted someone in the room from outside.
Generation X - MacReady - Quarantiner. Roleblocks and Neighborizes someone for a night.
MariaR - Bennings - Universal Backup. Backs up the first dead role, aka D1 Lynch.
Creature - Derek - Room Lockdowner. People in the locked down room cannot target outside of the room.
Wraith - Peder - BP until [Goatmeal] dies. 1shot Room-specific Vig upon [Goatmeal]'s death.
Untrod Tripod - Clark - Treestump.
Tammy - Windows - 3shot Neighborizer. Nighttalk. If all neighbors share a room at night, they get Daytalk the next day.
1 Shot Vanilla Townie - Blair - Midnight Modposter. Can quote one PT.
Andrius - Carter - Jailkeeper.
MagnaofIllusion - Norris - Saboteur. RB and Room-specific Follower.
Espeonage - Fuchs - Tracker who tracks target to Rooms, not people.
drealmerz7 - Lars - 2shot Bus Driver and Room Redirector. The redirection happens during the Room Phase.
DoubleTrouble - Childs - 1shot Bulletproof. Can pass it to another player if they share the same room.
SpyreX - Colin - Reflexive Roleblocker. Can use this 3 times each night.
Spiffeh - Adam - 2shot Commuter.
PeregrineV - Kate - Closes a room. Attendees move down to the next available room.
Skybird - Nauls - Fruit Vendor to one person anywhere, or all people in the current room.

---

Spoiler: NAR

NAR list

Palmer's vengekill
MacReady's roleblock (resolves during Room Phase, guaranteed to go through)
Halverson's vote roleblocks (votes are placed at day, roleblocks guaranteed to go through if in same room)
Adam's commuting
Colin's triple roleblock
Lars's bus driving
Norris's Saboteur
Carter's jailkeep
Copper's protection
Childs's vest transfer
Nightkills (scum, Garry, Peder)
Nauls's food vending
Fuchs's tracking/Edvard's watching

Miscellaneous: Blair's modposting, Windows's pregame neighborizations, Clark's treestumping, Benning's Universal Backup, Kate's room block, Jameson's room lockdown, Lars's room redirecting

---

Spoiler: WIP Plan N1

Room Capacity is 1/3 of the living players. N1 will be 7, as per mod.

Rec Room (Kill Room):

Goatmeal (Bullets), McMenno (Target), Wraith (Bulletproof or Backup Bullets).

Laboratory:

Tammy (Windows), [Neighbors], Andrius (JK), Espeonage (Tracker).

Infirmary (Safe Room):

Toog (Doc),

MariaR (New Doctor), DoubleTrouble (for MariaR), ErrantParabola (Watcher), Creature (Lockdowner).

Kennels:

SpyreX (Reflex), Skybird (Vendor), UT (Stump), Fire Assassin (Doublevote Blocker).

Kitchen (PeregrineV's Closed Room):

1 Shot Vanilla Townie, drealmerz7, MagnaofIllusion, Spiffeh, Generation X.

Living Quarters (PeregrineV's Control Room):

PeregrineV (Closer), [everyone else listed in the Kitchen].

Radio Room:

OPEN

Requests: n/a


1. drealmerz Redirects McMenno to Rec Room
2. GenX Quarantines [Someone who doesn't have a night action below]
3. Spiffeh decides on Commute
4. SpyRex picks his Roleblock targets
5. drealmerz DOES NOT Bus Drive
6. MoI Sabotages drealmerz
7. Andrius Jailkeeps Tammy
8. Creature Locks Down Rec Room
9. MariaR Protects ???
10. DT decides on Vest Transfer
11. Goatmeal shoot McMenno
12. Scum Nightkill
13. Skybird Vends to The Kennels
14. Errant Watches the Infirmary
15. Espy Tracks target of his choice

---

If you have any questions/concerns/comments/improvements please let me know. If you can't open spoiler tags for some reason, let me know and I'll organize the next one in another way.

As the days go on this Reference will be updated to reflect changing circumstances. For example, Room Coordination will be posted here, as well as things like who Firebringer will be blocking because of his votes. If for some reason you are told to not action at night, for example, there's a good reason behind it.

Plan above means all rooms with people in them have at least three people.

This is the plan. Everyone follow it.

Vote 1: Toogeloo
Vote 2: Toogeloo

[Fire Assassin]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
FIRE WHY

Don't do this, you could have unvoted.

[Fire Assassin]

Humans' Reference

Welcome to the Humans' Reference. (Format shamelessly stolen from hitogoroshi.) Because there are actions that would benefit Things if they could get away with them,

ignorance of the Humans' Reference is no excuse

. Please read thoroughly.

Spoiler: Spoiler: Official Notes

Note the First: Ensure drealmerz7's compliance with night actions.

Note the Second: SpyreX eats a vendors faaace

Note the Third: Vig all the hydras

Note the Fourth: Tammy selects a room for the 'hood before room phase is over.

Note the Fifth: Coordinate vig room before room phase.

---

Spoiler: Spoiler: Player Reference, with Character and Ability Notes

Listed in order of draft, as per the OP:

Goatmeal - Garry - Room-specific 1shot Vig.
Fire Assassin - Halverson - Doublevoter and room-specific Roleblocker.
Toogeloo - Dr. Copper - Room-specific Doctor.
Errantparabola - Edvard - Room Watcher. Learns who targeted someone in the room from outside.
Generation X - MacReady - Quarantiner. Roleblocks and Neighborizes someone for a night.
MariaR - Bennings - Universal Backup. Backs up the first dead role, aka D1 Lynch.
Creature - Derek - Room Lockdowner. People in the locked down room cannot target outside of the room.
Wraith - Peder - BP until [Goatmeal] dies. 1shot Room-specific Vig upon [Goatmeal]'s death.
Untrod Tripod - Clark - Treestump.
Tammy - Windows - 3shot Neighborizer. Nighttalk. If all neighbors share a room at night, they get Daytalk the next day.
1 Shot Vanilla Townie - Blair - Midnight Modposter. Can quote one PT.
Andrius - Carter - Jailkeeper.
MagnaofIllusion - Norris - Saboteur. RB and Room-specific Follower.
Espeonage - Fuchs - Tracker who tracks target to Rooms, not people.
drealmerz7 - Lars - 2shot Bus Driver and Room Redirector. The redirection happens during the Room Phase.
DoubleTrouble - Childs - 1shot Bulletproof. Can pass it to another player if they share the same room.
SpyreX - Colin - Reflexive Roleblocker. Can use this 3 times each night.
Spiffeh - Adam - 2shot Commuter.
PeregrineV - Kate - Closes a room. Attendees move down to the next available room.
Skybird - Nauls - Fruit Vendor to one person anywhere, or all people in the current room.

---

Spoiler: NAR

NAR list

Palmer's vengekill
MacReady's roleblock (resolves during Room Phase, guaranteed to go through)
Halverson's vote roleblocks (votes are placed at day, roleblocks guaranteed to go through if in same room)
Adam's commuting
Colin's triple roleblock
Lars's bus driving
Norris's Saboteur
Carter's jailkeep
Copper's protection
Childs's vest transfer
Nightkills (scum, Garry, Peder)
Nauls's food vending
Fuchs's tracking/Edvard's watching

Miscellaneous: Blair's modposting, Windows's pregame neighborizations, Clark's treestumping, Benning's Universal Backup, Kate's room block, Jameson's room lockdown, Lars's room redirecting

---

Spoiler: WIP Plan N1

Room Capacity is 1/3 of the living players. N1 will be 7, as per mod.

Rec Room (Kill Room):

Goatmeal (Bullets), McMenno (Target), Wraith (Bulletproof or Backup Bullets).

Laboratory:

Tammy (Windows), [Neighbors], Andrius (JK), Espeonage (Tracker).

Infirmary (Safe Room):

Toog (Doc),

MariaR (New Doctor), DoubleTrouble (for MariaR), ErrantParabola (Watcher), Creature (Lockdowner).

Kennels:

SpyreX (Reflex), Skybird (Vendor), UT (Stump), Fire Assassin (Doublevote Blocker).

Kitchen (PeregrineV's Closed Room):

1 Shot Vanilla Townie, drealmerz7, MagnaofIllusion, Spiffeh, Generation X.

Living Quarters (PeregrineV's Control Room):

PeregrineV (Closer), [everyone else listed in the Kitchen].

Radio Room:

OPEN

Requests: n/a


1. drealmerz Redirects McMenno to Rec Room
2. GenX Quarantines [Someone who doesn't have a night action below]
3. Spiffeh decides on Commute
4. SpyRex picks his Roleblock targets
5. drealmerz DOES NOT Bus Drive
6. MoI Sabotages drealmerz
7. Andrius Jailkeeps Tammy
8. Creature Locks Down Rec Room
9. MariaR Protects ???
10. DT decides on Vest Transfer
11. Goatmeal shoot McMenno
12. Scum Nightkill
13. Skybird Vends to The Kennels
14. Errant Watches the Infirmary
15. Espy Tracks target of his choice

---

If you have any questions/concerns/comments/improvements please let me know. If you can't open spoiler tags for some reason, let me know and I'll organize the next one in another way.

As the days go on this Reference will be updated to reflect changing circumstances. For example, Room Coordination will be posted here, as well as things like who Firebringer will be blocking because of his votes. If for some reason you are told to not action at night, for example, there's a good reason behind it.

Plan above means all rooms with people in them have at least three people.

Quote so no one misses it

[Fire Assassin]

Leave the complaining for tomorrow, will you?

[Fire Assassin]

You want something to complain about how about my boot up your ass?

I probably wouldn't even feel it because you kick like a girl.

On a side note how is your morning going? ^_^

Morning? It's still night here. Been up watching bad movies all night.

[Fire Assassin]

Me asking you about concerns doesn't mean me taking them to change my mind. It was meant to warn anyone who was on the wagon to jump off.

[Fire Assassin]

If they didn't want it, that is.

[Fire Assassin]

I want to hear from everyone about their rooms first!

UT who was in your room and what happened?!?!?!?

Fire Assassin, Untrod Tripod, SpyreX, Skybird, Transcend, drealmerz7, and PeregrineV

we braided each others' hair, talked about boys, and played with a Ouiji board

best sleepover EVER

And during that sleepover, I feel in love with UT

[Fire Assassin]

Teaser: We're definitely lynching Goatmeal today

Interesting

[Fire Assassin]

@DT the plan was quoted in several several posts

[Fire Assassin]

I also want to people to claim what they did last night if they have a role that can act

This was really a terrible way to phrase it but you know what I mean

Transcend quarantined me

[Fire Assassin]

I think mcmenno has higher chance of flipping town, not sure on Goatmeal though they are still in my scum radar.
I also think creature, dreal and Tammy are scum

[Fire Assassin]

Tammy is probably scum anyways

[Fire Assassin]

Vote 1: Tammy
Vote 2: Tammy

[Fire Assassin]

Wraith that looks like you just colored the last four names to be scum.
Also question one was answered trash end quarantined me.

[Fire Assassin]

Well dreal put on the wrong rooms

[Fire Assassin]

Well dreal put on the wrong rooms

Submitted* wrong rooms

[Fire Assassin]

Well this is what he said:

[removed]

Don't copy/paste from PTs

[Fire Assassin]

PeregrineV:

[removed]

Don't copy/paste from PTs

[Fire Assassin]

Mod: Can the scum use a kill and not be present in a given room?

Let's just clarify this.

Yes
The only limitations on scum kills is if they're using a factional modifier on them

Yeah I thought this was the case too. Otherwise it would be too easy to single out scum by who they roomed with

[Fire Assassin]

Reminder to not copy/paste posts directly from PTs <.<

Paraphrasing is ok

I see no purpose in that rule when four to five people can verify what I say regardless if it's paraphrased or use same words.

W/e your game your silly rules

[Fire Assassin]

Kennel didn't receive food for what I am aware. Don't think that's important but you can put no for that

[Fire Assassin]

If you tell her it's anti town your basically asking her to answer

[Fire Assassin]

FA why are you scumreading Tammy?

Read her ISO, she isn't scum hunting

[Fire Assassin]

If you tell her it's anti town your basically asking her to answer

FK YOU

Some other time darling.