Ttyll Mafia - Game Over!

[drealmerz7]

that's not a case and I would be a shit player for agreeing to lynch someone based on that case

[drealmerz7]

I mean, I might be a shit player, but not that much

[drealmerz7]

I think SK very much explains the jumping in framings I described before, it looks very much like a neutral player just trying to get into the same view as town, but he doesn't know who is town, so he's flopping back and forth.

But I don't see why you would consider frank or peregrine but not give aero a second thought when he's the scum of the three.

that's not a case to lynch someone, you realize?

who said I didn't give him a second thought? I've given everyone about 30 thoughts at least. quit trying to bully your view and fucking SHARE YOUR VIEW so I can fucking see it

[drealmerz7]

i mean, he's doomed himself to never shooting anyone again if he's an SK, not really seeing it

he could have just claimed full vig

he doesn't seem like the sharpest of tacks either

[drealmerz7]

then what's he like when he's scum?

[drealmerz7]

wisdom, ABR, GE, Vax = scumteam?

[drealmerz7]

and ABR is obvtown

shut the fuck up with posts like this, okkay?

I'm fucking sick of it

make a fucking case, or don't

but quit with these shit posts of shit shit okay?

[drealmerz7]

UNVOTE: Gale Wing Srock[/vote]

VOTE: Wisdom

[drealmerz7]

UNVOTE: Gale Wing Srock

VOTE: Wisdom

I had it right on D1, ppl. Join me.

[drealmerz7]

abr is the only obvtown person in the game

[redacted insults about your lack of intelligence and ability to play mafia]

[drealmerz7]

aeronaut + drealmers scum team. Vedith since you're town protect me every night and I'll nail the last scum

you can't just state things and make them be true, you do realize this, right?

[drealmerz7]

you make posts that you would never make as town. You're getting lynched.

can you please link a few?

[drealmerz7]

you make posts that you would never make as town. You're getting lynched.

can you please link a few?

and also explain them, because I can't READ YOUR FUCKING MIND

[drealmerz7]

is that true ABR? you've never been in a game with aero when he was town?

[drealmerz7]

UNVOTE: Wisdom
VOTE: Aeronaut

you were killed N5

[drealmerz7]

UNVOTE: Wisdom
VOTE: Aeronaut

you were killed N5

Oh no I'm wrong. I was in that game for awhile.


You're still sitting around acting like you know every part of my game which is just bull

why did you say you were only in it a Day?

[drealmerz7]

mirhawk kind of felt like he was looking for ANY reason to not be a part of that GWS vote though

it's the biggest thing that pings me around mirhawk - he was like "I can't see myself defending the lynch, buuut, I'm not for it either" and then as soon as he could he was finding a reason to disuade the lynch - I mean it could be town finally deciding on his read, sure, but, it feels weird even when I re-look at it

[drealmerz7]

I don't feel good about my vote but when I get a flag like that it's almost automatic. but...it still doesn't feel right :|

I feel lost anymore in this game, and I'm frustrated

[drealmerz7]

can I ask why I'm a suspect? I mean...I am asking why. Can you answer? haha

[drealmerz7]

I've been busting my ass trying to figure shit out and I'm a little offended at the scumread I guess

[drealmerz7]

Makes no sense to try to shift suspicion on aero onto peregrine. You are a strong suspect for scumbuddy of Aero.

I wasn't trying to shift it though, I was saying I'd go PV over aero at the time given the comparisons of the two - PV's play (lack thereof) had been more egregious than aero, so it didn't make sense that ppl were picking aero over PLV

I stopped on it once you pointed out, duh, PV's generally like that vs. Aero who is generally not (but I'm taking your word, but I can see it from the D1 play at least how it differs)

[drealmerz7]

would like more feedback on aero's meta/general playstyles from more players

[drealmerz7]

my playstyles are NAI, aero

it all depends on mood, player chemistry, setup, and many other things

[drealmerz7]

Town: {dreal, Vedith, Albert, Mirhawk, Vaxkiller}
Nulltown: {Aeronaut, texcat, Gale, White Queens}
Null: {Gamma}
Nullscum: {eager, Peregrine, Frank}

that's a lot of town + nulltown reads

out of those, who do you think you could most likely be wrong about? and why?

how do you TR so many ppl ever??? haha I swear I don't ever recall a game where I had more than like 4 at once, and even those were ill-confident

that read list almost reads to me like you want to keep the townies allied with you and the scums you aren't worried about

[drealmerz7]

that's not what I asked

[drealmerz7]

ok more specifically, give me 2 of those that you think, if you're wrong about them, you'd be more likely to be wrong about

[drealmerz7]

after those posts from aero today I'm actually comfortable leaving my vote there - he needs to actually gives us something more than posts that attempt to be charming

I can see it possibly being scum who thought he'd just be able to do nothing on D2 (including pay any attention, it seems like he's been just scooting by on D2) because of how D1 was and now that he's got some heat he's caught offguard by it because it's the last thing he expected

[drealmerz7]

I'm reading, watching, and silently judging all of you

my scumpool should be getting smaller and clearer to look at, not bigger and muddier

the only thing I am sure of is that NL is not something I want at all

I'll share thoughts I shared in the sibling hood earlier:

I'm getting more and more comfortable with this aero wagon, actually. He came under heat and has had more than enough opportunity to do something about it (even to just begin to defend himself a little!) and while he still might, I feel pretty good thinking he would have done more at this point to shake ppl from his wagon / discourage his lynch if he were town - it's like he's waiting until last minute, maybe going for a no-lynch if he gets his claim out at the right time and gets ppl backed off of him but not in enough time to decide on someone else.

wisdom, how is the brush off of "busy with finals" enough for you? don't you think he'd have been less non-chalant? given us

something

meaningful content wise?

[drealmerz7]

youre expecting too much

Neither inactivity nor lack of effort are indicative of anything

in GENERAL maybe, yes, but,

you have to read each circumstance and analyze them individually and not just apply broad generalizations

you make waayyyyyy too many generalizations

lurking is not AI, so if you have 5 lurkers, you have to figure out which among them is scum, you can't just say "oh lurking doesn't mean they're scum" and dismiss all 5 lurkers as having possibility to be scum!!! of course you wouldn't do that, so apply that to all the generalizations you make

[drealmerz7]

but it's no longer lurking or "too busy" to me, my read has changed, at this point this is not how town should be being at all, no matter how busy he is, because he has had the time to at least do something more than he's done

to me if he's town he 1.) when he sees his wagon growing, does SOMETHING more to disuade ppl and do something contributory, and scumhunt - yet he's excused it all with "hasn't had the time to read the Day at all pretty much" (paraphrase) - FFS almost 2 weeks and I don't buy it, he's posted some and to me it is NOW reading more like scum who thought they could get away on doing nothing on D2 because they were so town-read on day (it's a compound thing that only stands with the other things, alone, that might not stand as scum so hard, but) 2.) he would know that he should do something tonight to help town not lynch him and to find the correct scum, but, as the hours go on, the more comfortable I feel he's just sitting back hoping it stalls and ppl lose confidence, and 3.) he also knows that L-1 is potentialy incoming for him and town is aware enough to know that he might need to claim ASAP so that we have as much time as we can get to make decisions, but instead he 4.) does nothing and ISN'T EVEN VOTING LESS THAN 24 HOURS TO DEADLINE - that is not town

town should be fighting for their life and to find the real scums

I think I had this better worded in the sibling chat :\

[drealmerz7]

and so he sits at L-1, not claiming, not showing his head, I THINK hoping the L-1 goes away and he can get away with not claiming even, but at least waiting to claim until the last possible minute to maybe go for NL

towny is aware of the possibility of that growing as we get closer to DL and does what they can (more than aero has done I think) to not let it be like that

[drealmerz7]

it's not my town criteria

it is what is GOOD FOR THE TEAM, THIS IS A TEAM GAME

it becomes fundamental

[drealmerz7]

but I'm not judging the patterns, I'm judging this specific circumstance, still

here now

just in light of those patterns

sometimes I very well could read it as "no he really is just so busy he hasn't had the time"

that isn't how I read it here

[drealmerz7]

yes but youre assuming every townie tries to help town when they post, which is incorrect

then they're not playing to their wincon and that is why I have issues here because apparently that is okay and it just dumbs down play to me, makes everything much more shallow and boring, honestly

if everyone is playing the best town game they can play, it becomes very hard and interesting weeding out the scum

much more fun to me

[drealmerz7]

but thats how it is; everything else is just your own assumptions

you have to READ and analyze the game, man, you can't just take everything at face value! scum lie! duh!

[drealmerz7]

no, if everyone is playing at their best, finding scum is super easy. It becomes hard when townies are playing suboptimally, because then you cant PoE as easily.

not in my experience AT ALL

it becomes an intense volley of WIFOM that must be judged by all and can be the pinnacle of the game when you get a good back and forth - it's the whole point, a battle of the wits to see who is serving up the poisoned wine and whose is pure

it's glorious

[drealmerz7]

scum wouldn't hammer wtf are you talking about?

[drealmerz7]

see and this is why I'm iffy about a frank lynch

I just think he doesn't play too well and it's just him trying and it's bad play, not scummy

p-edit: not this dumb, eh? hmmm

[drealmerz7]

yeah I see that stuff and it pings me a lot and that is why I'm SRing him as I am, but, he's pretty convincing more and more that he's just not-too-slick and, actually genuinely misses the things?

if you have experience of him not being like this that is something, but, it's not comfortable to go there as much because it's not my own judgement and it's not like I trust you a whole ton

[drealmerz7]

pedit; if you guys (supposed town)are so sure scum wouldnt hammer, wouldnt that give them a good reason to do it?

what? this makes no sense

[drealmerz7]

I'm not moving unless aero gives me a post or 2 that make me read him towny again, and that would have to include a claim at this point

not claiming at this point in unacceptable

[drealmerz7]

that's you doing it, not playing to your wincon and being a selfish player rather than a team player

[drealmerz7]

no, the point is players don't know how the fuck to play and need told

when you get to L-1, and you're town, you FUCKING CLAIM, it's the team thing to do

[drealmerz7]

like WQ! who even if aero flips scum I think could be a buser with that vote

pedit: wisdom, I think it is clear YOU don't get it, like, you just don't know what the game is

a team-based social game about working together towards a common goal of trying to find those who are not trying to work together towards a common goal

and I'M tired with you, I think you get it, and just don't care, because you'd rather be lazy and not put in effort and just say shit like "they're town, they're scum" without fucking using any skills at reading people

it's lame boring scummy play

[drealmerz7]

took a while to press enter on that was distracted

[drealmerz7]

it was kind of funny actually

you could be scum, wis

fuck, where is mirhawk with some words of wisdom? (mauaha)

someone, anyone, fucking helllll why do I have so many scumreads/leans?!?!?!?!

stepping away here

we need a fucking claim

[drealmerz7]

what you're describing is a utopia

it's how it is on my HS

town never lies on my HS, if you are caught lying, it is PL (so no false claims of alignment or role or investigations, ever)

town never hammers without a claim, if you do, you are the next Day's lynch

and more

[drealmerz7]

this is obviously why when I told ppl on my HS I was going to try playing games here the majority of them went "ehhhh...."

[drealmerz7]

no shit

but when you describe it as some unreachable utopia

it's simply not true, and I'm letting you undrestand where I'm coming from, I'm not delusional, I have different experience

I think the problem is standards, you get away with what you get away with and it lowers the standard of play

[drealmerz7]

if ppl put their foot down who know better and say "no, this type of play is anti-town and will get you lynched when scum-pickins are slim, stop now or forever DIE" it ups the standard of play

noobs on my HS observe 1 or 2 games and are better than a majority of players I've experienced here - it's CRAZY, I'm not trying to ego-boast either, or be arrogant or whatever, I just think (and know), people can play better, but they are lazy, and it brings the game down, and, GRRRRRR

[drealmerz7]

right now it all boils down to:

why is the L-1 not claiming with less than 24hrs to deadline? it's WHACKED

[drealmerz7]

I might not change it fully, but I can affect it to improve by pointing out how shit is anti-town and railing against it

I mean, I feel like I've gotten something more out of you even if at the littlest of compromises - and moreso I've gotten others to meet me partway, it's done good I think

why be so resistant to it? oh, you know why, because it serves your SCUM PLAY and solo motives and you don't play with a team mentality

it's a team game

[drealmerz7]

because hes busy and because he has no obligation to claim

now you're speaking for him

that is scummy

[drealmerz7]

I wouldn't be voting aero just for policy if I didn't actually think he was likely to be scum though at this point, I'd have removed my vote like you did - it's less about him not doing what I think town would be doing and more about him not doing anything towny in the face of being lynched! I already explained why I think it's scummy, but, yeah...

policy is there as a standard, then you check each individual case and judge

[drealmerz7]

I am considering his D1 - it's on a scale with what is happening right now, less than a Day before EoD

it's not about what townies do on my HS, it's about what is good for the team here now, he's not doing that, he's doing what is good for scum, securing my confidence in voting for him

if he doesn't want that, he should be trying to convince me he's town, not because that is what I think he shoudl be doing, but because that is what his wincon tells him to do

[drealmerz7]

no, I'm saying he's not playing to his wincon and that's fucked up

[drealmerz7]

*if town, of course

which is why I don't think he is

because he's helping scum, not town

it's fundamental

[drealmerz7]

why doesnt scum-Aero try to convince people he's town? why doesn't scum-Aero try to push Frank? do you think not caring or not having time is something exclusive to scum?

because ppl like you push for allowing him to get away with it and standards are low

[drealmerz7]

to me it boils down to hiding in scummy play when you're town so when you are scum you can play scummy

it sucks

[drealmerz7]

and so I think what I'm seeing is scum, not town

I am still making that analysis

[drealmerz7]

kindly play better

[drealmerz7]

maybe he's scum with info about a 2nd faction and he's just using that as an excuse?

aero also mentioned multiball D1 I think and it has come up a few times I think and it is tweaking me a bit because of how hard lycnhes seem to be and well firt and foremost, how many scumpings I'm getting from so many

but how does GWS explain more kills later is what I don't get? maybe it's just a "live 1 more day" ploy?

*sigh*

[drealmerz7]

umm, it is nonsense, texcat, colors indicate the different planets and hoods if anything, that there are multi-species, which there are

not multi-factions

[drealmerz7]

because if town is bad enough to have me at L-1 i dont care about them losing me

more proof you don't know how to play and aren't a team player

[drealmerz7]

what you're describing is a utopia

it's how it is on my HS

town never lies on my HS, if you are caught lying, it is PL (so no false claims of alignment or role or investigations, ever)

town never hammers without a claim, if you do, you are the next Day's lynch

and more

Your HS needs to not be a bunch of fucking wimps. Lying CAN BE pro-town, if used right. Like NOT claiming BP. BP is honestly one of the worst things to truthfully claim. It always comes with the "could this be scum using BP as an explanation for not dying?"

oh yes there are always exceptions, I'd appreciate you not insult a bunch of ppl you don't know how kick ass as this game though

we had a game where 2 townies read each other SO HARD as town and the only way to win was to make scum think the 1 was doc when the other was, so at L-1 he claimed doc but wasn't, and the real doc knew and didn't CC and they caught the scum because the kill failed at Night from the real doc protecting the fake doc - it was some intense awesomeness

[drealmerz7]

I think Ircher knows better than that

[drealmerz7]

omg what is that comic I want to read more it looks like a good one

[drealmerz7]

and even with that aside, why to hell would scum admit theyre going to kill you in a role madness game where they dont know what might happen? Its obvious he was trolling

not obvious he was trolling

if he did say this to ABR and was in fact counting on ABR being dead, Vedith is the sort of personality to brag like this and then use the WIFOM of an anonymous death message to discount ABR's claim, plus vedith would probably also count on the ratio of town:scum at this point and hope that maybe ABR just sends the dead message to a scum-buddy, and nothing is ever heard about

but, the question then is, what happened, where's the kill? as I think about it, and think about how ABR was so steadfast about BTD6 and then Aero and crucial in getting them lynched, I think ABR is likely just lying and trying to get another townie lynched in vedith - but then he claims mason and says there's another - ugh okay so I'm thinking outloud and don't know what to think

inclination is to vote ABR, but it just doesn't make sense UNLESS the "mason" part of BNL's flip is a singular mason meant to throw us off? but then ABR and scumco. wouldn't know that...ugh

thinking out loud - maybe it will be helpful - maybe we should just lynch vedith?

mir, I kind of faded into the background because D1 and D2 I was a tunnely (wisdom, then WQ - though not hard-tunnel I don't think? maybe a little?) and so I had to go with seconday scumpects both days and when that happens I lose steam a bit (and clearly am not as vocal about my confidence), and then it dragged on beyond that for a bit painfully long to me, and that kind of makes me lose the passion and my presence isn't as "here"

I tend to have a bit of a personality in games and when that fades at times it does raise ppls suspicion (hey he's acting different!), it is normal for me with the ebb and flow of a game is all I can say

maybe if D3 doesn't take 2 weeks some of the WIM will re-awaken in me - as it is it's pretty defeating to keep seeing green in the flips

I'm not much interested in following someone else's lead today. I thought we had a good lynch in WQ yesterday and it fell through. I don't have the passion to reinvigorate that argument, but it still stands, and I still hold the firm position of "wisdom or WQ is scum" - but if no one wants to persue I'm not going to fight, it's just not in me

I think the only other real thought I have atm is about the siblinghood - scum is likely in it I am still pretty sure, and so that makes me go "hey let's try for WQ or vedith."

I haven't liked texcat's play overall and I get a lot of medium-pings in their ISO, but, I see more attempts at gamesolving than with WQ or vedith (who all I see do is troll for the most part.)

oh and yes, aerth is me, WQ, frank, eager, and the dead GWS and Aero

p-edit: oh look vedith posted *reads*

ooooohk then

so maybe BNL was the only "mason" (because of the enabling maybe it was given to him as a title and no one else is? maybe the dead become masons together and BNL whether dead or alive would have been a part of that??????) and ABR's "mason-buddies" are all scum and there is no masonry? that doesn't really fly? ugh

[drealmerz7]

and I still hold the firm position of "wisdom or WQ is scum"

based on what?

you were around D1 and D2, it's all there

[drealmerz7]

and no, BNL wasn't the only mason. That's silly.

I agree, like I said just trying to figure it out and was thinking out loud

unless there's something to the dead-masons chat

[drealmerz7]

summarize for me, why can't we be both town?

I suppose you both could be, but in my view it doesn't fit,

and honestly I think it is more likely she won you over some how and you're being deceived...buuuuuuut...the more I think about that and what I've seen from her play, I don't really know if the skill is there to do that, and so it makes me switch back to you, maybe you really are scum, and the reason you were SO SURE about aero is because you know?

I really don't have hard convictions about anything atm (cept that frank is scum?), and I think because of that I'm defaulting to my previous positions, which haven't had any reason to change even if they aren't as forefront and firm in my head as they were 2-3 weeks ago.

I can see GE or PV scum too at this point, and mir went from a high TR to "I just don't know anymore" - it's disheartening

[drealmerz7]

i cant shake the feeling that you're scum and you're saying this bullshit so people don't townread ABR

your "figuring out" feels fake as hell

yeah well that's healthy paranoia at this point in the game with no scum lynches and gives me townpings for you

[drealmerz7]

and when I think you refused to vote Frank and cited policy bullshit in order to mislynch Aero I get more confident

I didn't refuse to, I just didn't want NL and was leaving my vote on aero to give him pressure to make him say some shit

AND FRANK FUCKING HAMMERED

let's kill frank, I'm all for it

[drealmerz7]

this didn't answer why it's impossible we're both town

I never said it was impossible

read the post you quoted, I say in my first like "I suppose you both could be"

[drealmerz7]

*line

[drealmerz7]

you TELLING ME doesn't do shit, obviously, you need to learn to be a teammate and work together with people, if you want to make blame, it's YOUR FAULT I didn't move to frank more readily because I DON'T TRUST YOU because of HOW YOU PLAYED D1. If you were more of a teamplayer I'd be more inclined to listen to you. That is what a game about teamwork is heavily about, which you fail to understand.

I'd have moved my vote from aero to frank easily with 4 hours left to DL.

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: frankjaeger

I'm all about it, seriously

[drealmerz7]

this didn't answer why it's impossible we're both town

I never said it was impossible

read the post you quoted, I say in my first like "I suppose you both could be"

if its not impossible can you have a firm "Wisdom or WQ is scum" stance?

they're not mutually exclusive

I'm quite firm that an asteroid will not destroy earth in my life time.

but it's not impossible

[drealmerz7]

you me watch while you excuse a valid view as crap because that's how you do

[drealmerz7]

EBWOP

you mean: watch while you excuse a valid view as crap because that's how you do

[drealmerz7]

do you know what a fallacy is?

and no not a giant drawing of a penis

that's a phallus

[drealmerz7]

theres no valid view, you were just avoiding to vote your scumbuddy

again, this is actually coming off as healthy paranoia more than scum-painting-agenda, town points for you regardless of how much it irritates me

[drealmerz7]

if I were scum I think your lynch would be easy to secure today and I'd have pushed it out of the gate

[drealmerz7]

but I'm like, actually trying to not kill another townie and you're not up there in my scumlist, it's that simple

keep talking though, you might work your way back up it

[drealmerz7]

I'm here sharing views to consider to figure shit out - and there you are, as always, to shoot my views (and pretty much anyone who doesn't share yours down.) Throughout the game. Mayyybe I'm on to something and you have to keep discrediting me?

maybe both you and WQ are scum together afterall?

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: dreal

prefer this to Frank

that's laughable

[drealmerz7]

"kill drealmer he's trying to figure out the game!!"

[drealmerz7]

maybe wisdom is scum and thought he had a clear to victory with a frank bus yesterday and is pissed it didn't happen?

[drealmerz7]

you would be because you're a selfish player

at the end of the game you'd rather feel good about yourself having done some move like that that led to a win rather than do what is best for your team/more likely to help your team win

[drealmerz7]

now that clarity of the win isnt' as clear to you, and you're flailing a bit

[drealmerz7]

just theorizing

trying to figure you out

presenting the theories for others to consider

[drealmerz7]

how is that manipulative? rather than just SAY SHIT all of the time, how about you actually present a coherent thought that others can follow?

so I'm not supposed to try and figure you out? what kind of BS is that? you're getting more scummy as you post, keep it up

[drealmerz7]

in fact that might be the scummiest shit you've said all game

essentially "don't try and sort me" - uhhhh, no, that's the game, I'm sorting everyone, you get no special treatment because you've convinced yourself in your own brain that you're special

[drealmerz7]

wisdom + WQ + frank + ???

[drealmerz7]

pls 1.) you're not trying to sort shit

2.) you're just throwing manipulative bullshit around so people scumread me

yes I am

2.) no I'm not

and again, you are only able fling shit and not back up your view with any actual arguments

you're projecting - you're the one throwing manipulative bullshit around so people scumread me

it's obvious

sure, you can have my vote

UNVOTE: frankjaeger
VOTE: wisdom - but recall I only said it'd be easy to lynch you if I were scum and you were town - that's not the case here

[drealmerz7]

you forgot vedith and DS, my scumbuddies

wow, throw an early D1 read back to discredit my reads, great job!

[drealmerz7]

done with your antagonistic scumness

vote this guy, folks - it should have been the D1 move JUST LIKE I SAID

[drealmerz7]

maybe abr claiming mason is BS and he's trying to draw out the remaining and feels safer doing it because of where the #s are at?

maybe vedith is scum BG or just scum fakeclaiming BG?

maybe we should just lynch frank

I'd be happier with a wisdom lynch though - back to square 1 sort of shit, and still valid through and through that he's likely scum

I do think it is quite possible we (I?) got off track there

I will say I'm don't really think there's anything to what eagersnake is on about, other than the general wisdom is scummy and scum

agree with PV I think we should know more about what frank got in his result and if frank got anything last night in a result might be good too? not sure though

[drealmerz7]

is there such thing as a reflective bodyguard? bounce a kill instead of absorb a kill?

[drealmerz7]

seriously, I get home from work and this is what there is to read about? wisdom is scum, but, your reasoning is horrible

this is one of the worst cases I've ever seen on someone - wisdom, can you explain why it is scum making it and not just some way-off-track townie who is playing in his own little world? I mean, I get out there sometimes, and my HS flavor means something, but, even here, it's convoluted - I have a hard time seeing scum actually thinking they can sell this case to lynch and think it more likely to come from over-imaginative town (who is bored and thinks they figured some shit out?)

no experience with snake, so it's near impossible for me to tell I guess

I'm starting to think it's more and more likely that Wisdom is dissatisfied with the performance of his scum-buddy frank, and has been trying to bus him since early for the towncredit and is getting more frustrated that it isn't happening easier than he thinks it should.

need to to hear from frank, full details, both Nights, obviously

[drealmerz7]

btw, PV, very nice to have you around~! more!

[drealmerz7]

wisdom, can you explain why it is scum making it and not just some way-off-track townie who is playing in his own little world?

Because townies dont go out of their way to ignore every logic argument that is made against their case just so they can further push. His intent is to manipulate people any way be can, not to get a read on me.

okay I can understand that and can definitely see it being that of course, but it's soo fucking far-fetched it makes me laugh and go "umm, I want to lynch the same player as this guy?" I can't see

anyone

getting on board with it. And I know I've tunneled on town pretty hard with some far-fetched shit before, but again, on a HS where flavor has meaning often enough.

I do think it is noise to ignore either way, scum or town, so that's all I'll talk about it.

also, why do you think I scum again?

p-edit : I do see texcat said basically what I did, much shorter, heh

[drealmerz7]

no its not farfetched, scum make such tunnels where they ignore anything said and keep assigning scum motivation to everything they can all the time.

the originating aspects of his argument aren't far-fetched? or did you misunderstand me?

of course scum do what you say, but they do that with something that is generally believable in some way like if you were to start on some path to prove ABR scum after the lynches he was a part of (for being such a factor in their existence/success) resulting in some convoluted whacked outness- it's at least based on something that originally could be believable - whereas frank's agosten stuff isn't

blahhh *stops talking about it!!!* waste of time/focus

that's the scummiest part of it all really

wisdom it seems like you are omgus to anyone who comes at you, why is that? going for a flawless scum victory to show how much smarter you are than everyone and getting tensed it won't happen (and look especially not-cool if you get lynched, even if your buddies eventually pull it out for you?)

[drealmerz7]

*eager

[drealmerz7]

im done talking with you as well, youre another obvious scum

pedit: @drealm

town talk to ppl who they think are scum, keep them talking and addressing things, it fleshes them out more, and you know it, ya know,

like I am with you

yet you won't answer things and retreat, that is scummy

[drealmerz7]

every night Ninja makes not hardly any sense I think with watcher/voyeur + tracker?

and if the ninja gets lynched and investigatives become viable, that just swings the balance too much

[drealmerz7]

or not even lynched, vig-shotted too

[drealmerz7]

omg wtf is frank already

[drealmerz7]

who pays attention to anything vedith says anymore anyway?

[drealmerz7]

which i did till hours before the deadline but nobody listened

both days

I don't think I've ever seen you fight tooth and nail for anything. I see you push your bullying will very hard, but that's not effective, at all, obviously (and why I say you really don't know how to play the game.) If you want to "fight tooth and nail" you have to put in ACTUAL EFFORT - make logical arguments and discuss them with people and have discourse to iron it all out and make the correct group decision - you have never show any inclination/interest in that

[drealmerz7]

This was fun and all but I still just want to lynch White Queens.

^

or frank after he comes and tries to sell us his BS and we can (hopefully) confirm that that is true he's scum - him staying away this long at this point just makes me feel good about his lynch every minute at this point though, but he still needs to say the things

[drealmerz7]

I suppose the proper thing to do is remove my vote from wisdom considering where we're at gamewise, maybe a replacement (uhhh152 pages? I hope someone has been following along...) will give us a better sense if the slot is scum or not

I keep trying to figure out if the move (to ask for replacement) was towny or scummy and I realize that it is just selfish and can't read it either way :|

I told you it was just town lost in lala-land noise and to ignore it, Wisdom, but you can't even take the very sound advice of a near stranger

UNVOTE: wisdom

[drealmerz7]

wow that's so fucking convincing I 'm sold

from one of my top SRs even

*sarcasm*

[drealmerz7]

egh, I guess I'm wary after all of that, your lalaland goings on and on there didn't really help either - why does scum replace with 4 of us dead already? doesn't make sense

I know it's a selfish move, I just...don't know

just being patient for now really though, plenty of time in the Day

[drealmerz7]

welcome, creeps

who do you think we should string up today?

got anything to make of this clusterfuck?

are you scum?

mind if we lynch you just about right after you spend the effort reading 150+ pages and who knows what in your PT(s) and giving comments?

[drealmerz7]

FFS

setup has got to be something like

13v2v2 or something (eager + frank?)(WQ + wisdom?)

idfk but this shit is ridiculous I want them both to die

[drealmerz7]

hey...maybe there's something to that

corrupted security/police type department (portion of the department) within the leadership

[drealmerz7]

I mean, how does One (entity) often overthrow a government anyway?

from within, militarisitic force takeover or some shit

[drealmerz7]

if you are about to discredit MY lala theory because it is a lala theory, you need to step back a second...

[drealmerz7]

wakednbaked I can't deny

[drealmerz7]

I thought we were about to have some awesome crazytheory discussion about this shit, but, apparently I hit too close to home...

scumcops abound!!!

[drealmerz7]

scuminvs I should say?

[drealmerz7]

actually, no, seriously, might be on to something...what do others think who aren't those 4?

[drealmerz7]

you all know I'm down with a WQ lynch

VOTE: WhiteQueens

[drealmerz7]

PV that's an interesting tidbit

do you think it's possible we have two teams of 2?

[drealmerz7]

both frank and WQ are good lynches

are the 3 who just voted frank not okay with a WQ lynch? or you're just more secure in a frank lynch?

I'd go over to frank np but I want WQ to die so badly :|

no rush to decide I guess, but we should definitely lynch within those 2

[drealmerz7]

hopping aboard then!

UNVOTE: White Queens
VOTE: frankJaeger

def obviscum of course

since...a while ago...just been a little fish

[drealmerz7]

scum-buddies should have coached him better

"just say you forgot to submit an action, bro!" or someshits

haha

[drealmerz7]

too many scums and town can't decide which to lynch first

townfail?

plsno

let's figure it

my thoughts are that if frank is scum flavor cop, then WQ is, something else? probably ninja, actually, with how the claims and all of that went - does anyone have other thoughts?

if ninja would she be limited or unlimited? maybe she should be the priority lynch if that is the case since we can't be sure

we got time

[drealmerz7]

I'm not exactly sure how to proceed, and I hope I'm doing right. I also don't want a massclaim.

You all know I'm all about a WQ lynch. That would make me very happy.

I'm pretty confident I have the scumteam figured. I think WQ+texcat+PV are the remaining scum.

As much as I don't really want to talk about my role/reveal it I think I must at this point because I don't want to possibly die tonight (am I even at risk? I don't know, but, I can't take the chance) and our siblinghood chat is no longer active for me to relay stuff there more carefully and this stuff needs to be told.

My role is an extremely interesting minor information gathering role. I'm just going to claim because I need to have you all believe me (I think we're at the crucial point where I should share it, even though it seems we're on a good track after frank's lynch yesterday. If I'm mistaken and this is stupid to do...well, I've thought it through and really think it is what needs to be done and very sorry if not.)

I'm Sarrunith Angelica (of the Angelica celestial siblings.) I'm: Importer/Exporter of Intergalactic and Interplanetary Wares. I'm a neutral survivor. I've ABSOLUTELY been trying to help town win and have been trying to bring my town A-game. My role and abilities involve the shop. All of my abilities cost money to purchase and use them, and, it's pretty fucking cool, super-stellar-kudos to Ircher.

Sooo, one of the "things" I can purchase is black-market information (I have access to the shop's computer systems and make contact that way.) I have an anonymous contact on the black market and if I pay him he sends a player of my choosing information (that he gets from I don't know where - he obviously has his sources, I don't ask! - OMG I love the RP of this so much, I have been RPing my Night-Actions to Ircher and I hope he shares them after the game.)

Thing is, I don't know what information he gives them, but I do know is that it is definitely TRUE information. I also know that I do this all from a computer console and I am not trackable, watchable, whateverable when I do it because I'm effectively just sitting on my ass at a computer system. I figure I'm neutral because I could be sending good information to scum who just sit on it.

SO. N1. I chose Mirhawk as my target. I wanted to choose someone I had a strong TR on, but that I thought wouldn't get killed N1.

D2 he tells us he got an anonymous message and it was a bit hard to not be like "hey, that's my information I sent and it is DEFINITELY GOOD INFORMATION!!!" I figured the list it produced wasn't THAT helpful and it made no sense for me to out myself/that at that point, obviously.

N2 I purchased different sort of information (I chose a player, WQ is who I chose - effectively I enter their name into the computer system and get told if they've purchased inventory or not from the shop - but not what they bought) and it was a poor choice at spending the money on it because it told me they didn't buy anything. It was cheap at least ($10)

N3 I decided to purchase another black-market contact, and this time I sent it to PV (I chose someone who I thought was likely scum, from the first list that Mirhawk got, which I *know* to be good information, I just PoEd and, PV was a good choice I thought.)

PV hasn't said a thing about receiving any information. I WONDER WHY?!?!?!

I also wonder what the information is, of course.

[drealmerz7]

to see if he reported getting it

town reports getting a message

which, btw, I got one from BNL that he asked me to relay which I will do absolutely BNL sorry for the delay!!!

[drealmerz7]

sounds good eS

I just didn't want to speed-lynch WQ without getting what I had to get out out

my thoughts now turn to which scums have the stronger roles and if perhaps we should try to lynch the stronger slots first - I'm guessing WQ is a ninja who thought they could claim hider and didn't realize the problems doing that? She's kind of harmless at this point I feel and my wariness for what PV or texcat have up their sleeve in light of frank's flip makes me want to consider lynching 1 of them first

pedit - nm, all aboard the WQ train!!!

VOTE: White Queens

[drealmerz7]

Maaan D, I dunno about you.

Also what was this message that bnl wanted delivered?

my name's not mandy!!! I guess I can see your reseverations about my post when I read back at it, but when this is what it looks like on D4:

Dead Players (7)

3. BTD6_Maker (aka Arnold Fritz),

Ttyll Defenders Civilian

, was discharged from service Day 1!
8. Bullet (aka TT-YL12),

Ttyll Defenders Mason Factional Encryptor

, was shot Night 1!
14. Diamond (aka Ivan Ban),

Ttyll Defenders Civilian

, was shot Night 1!
4. Aeronaut (aka Michael Fire),

Ttyll Defenders Civilian

, was discharged from service Day 2!
11. Gale (aka Kentar Flynn),

Ttyll Defenders 2-Shot Vigilante

, was shot Night 2!
16. Vaxkiller (aka Keith Collins),

Ttyll Defenders Civilian

, was shot Night 2!
13. FrankJaeger (aka Anarchist Leader: Sulla Sylvester),

Anarchists 1-Shot Bulletproof Flavor Cop

, was arrested Day 3!

Extreme caution and (what I think is) healthy paranoia guide my modes of operation. I want to cover every single aspect of possibility that there is, account for them all and their likelihoods and then make the best choice together as a team among those on the team who I feel I can trust, and I've got a good handful of those now. That you continue to have your suspicions up is very reassuring to me, I'm sorry I don't bring you the same feeling of reassurance.

BNL's message in my next message

[drealmerz7]

1 - identifies self as BNL - says if I don't relay everything he says he's going to try and lead the lynch on me D5 via a night msg - I think it would have been more tactical of him to not tell me this and just see if I relayed everything correctly and call me out on it via night msg if I don't. He sent me the msg not because he TRs me (he doesn't), but because he thinks I'm an unlikely NK.

2 - reminds that due to the claims there are 2 confirmed scum in ES WQ PV, and he's leaning towards ES/WQ being scum - though I wonder if that is true now after my claim and what eS has said today

3 - WQ Wisdom townread was a mason read, and 1939 was a scumslip, that’s what scum do in their PT which was locked, but their hydra PT was open, it goes there. The counterclaim inconsistency is also there.

4 - says ES is scum because he was countering Aero against Frank. says it seems that he wasn’t a tracker and only claimed because ABR suggested the claim to him, and too much information. - I don't get this, I'm pretty confident that eS is a tracker, I wish he would have provided a link with the "countering Aero against Frank" comment

he finishes that comment with:

"Otherwise, WQ and PV are scum, last one is probably Vedith (QH and voted BTD “for fun”)"

BNL suggests: that while WQ is scummier to flip ES first because if he fakeclaimed he must have a scum in every hood, suggesting last scum is Mirhawk and one of {PV,Tex}. Else WQ and PV are scum, idk who last one is.

I don't know why we would want to flip eS before WQ when WQ is waayyyy scummier, with how the numbers are just flipping eS "to check" is a baaaaad move

last note is:

that BNL has Creeps as very town due to the way he claimed thinking he had a guilty, but otherwise Wisdom’s reads were too fluid. Tex is probably town too unless scum were WIFOMing the day end cop result....he also has more reservations with Tex wrt how she knew the hoods off the top of her head.

[drealmerz7]

That looks like a lot of message for 999 characters!

^ yeah this absolutely seems like a troll post rather than anything else ^ - touchyscum!!!

for information's sake: the actual message is 988 characters (obviously I made my own comments next to the paraphrasings, which are barely paraphrasings and a lot of word-for-word)

[drealmerz7]

...and drealmerz just claimed and didn't say he was ascetic so he's either lying or I was blocked.

nope definitely not ascetic, I just don't "go anywhere" when I perform my NAs - I like how that is mechanically "neutral" for my neutral role

He also claimed neutral survivor which means he has no incentive to tell the truth.

I know you just have to take my word for it but my incentive to tell the truth is that I am VERY MUCH into theme games and if I can get MORE into a theme game because of the depth of flavor and interest of role that the way I play is VERY MUCH role-play guided. While I haven't been roleplaying outwardly in my typings (I didn't want it to interefere which happens and I was more wary doing it with a NS role, after the very little I did at the beginning I realized I didn't want to lie as a NS at all.) So, I decided from the very beginning that I am playing a pro-realm of Ttyll character. Ircher put a lot of love into creating "The Realm of Ttyll" and my (character's) mentality is to help defend the realm that I hold dear and that I simply can't help that if the realm falls my services as an Importer/Exporter will still be in use. It doesn't mean I'm going to help it fall because it's a convenient way to win. No fucking way.

I could have easily just done nothing once the game started to turn so much in favor of scum, but I've been busting on a path from the beginning and I'm not changing that path. That is not fun to me at all, that's like, giving up and weak shit. No fucking way.

also, what incentive would I have to do what I did at that point? I wanted to make sure the information I had was out there before a WQ lynch because there's no telling who dies tonight. I felt it was important enough and I feel rather exposed now (I'm not used to claiming with an informative role at all, and have never been neutral before, believe me it would have been much easier and comfortable to just lay low and see how the game went.)

[drealmerz7]

WQ needs rope.

WQ needs rope.

WQ needs rope.

WQ needs rope.

[drealmerz7]

Spoiler: ?

WQ needs rope

[drealmerz7]

PV's "Loyalty" claim sounds like BS to try and turn townies against each other

it also sounds like he waited to see how things unfolded before committing fully to the claim

I got 2 messages last night.

Can you be more specific?

more specific about what?

[drealmerz7]

dude, you've got to read the game

orrrr...you're trolling

[drealmerz7]

your question has its answer already, I don't know why you're asking the question

[drealmerz7]

you've got to just be trolling me, my bloodpressure is already starting to rise

[drealmerz7]

READ THE FUCKING POST OR GET THE FUCK OFF

[drealmerz7]

I wrote that, I don't need it quoted

you need to read all of the things

you don't make sense

you are a troll

[drealmerz7]

HAHAHA obviously a troll who isn't even reading if you are asking me for my scumreads

they've been given, CLEARLY

[drealmerz7]

both "questions" you have are answered from my post from today

you are just trolling me or just haven't read the thread because you're cocky scum who thinks the game is won at this point, and now everyone can see it even clearer if they couldn't already:

I think WQ+texcat+PV are the remaining scum.

I have an anonymous contact on the black market and if I pay him he sends a player of my choosing information (that he gets from I don't know where - he obviously has his sources, I don't ask!...

Thing is, I don't know what information he gives them, but I do know is that it is definitely TRUE information.

[drealmerz7]

are you saying anything or are you just trolling?

[drealmerz7]

wisdom + WQ + frank + ???

Six days from the 2866 "read".

yeah? so fucking what?

Yes, that is your CLAIM.

Yes, it is.

so fucking what?

troll harder

[drealmerz7]

If your message is the one I think it is, and it is real, then ABR or Texcat are scum.

I think Gamma cleared ABR as the mason, no?

Comments?

[/quote]
what the fuck do you mean??!??!?!

omg, disengaging from the troll

[drealmerz7]

how to get under drealmerz's skin 101:

make zero fucking sense and keep at it

[drealmerz7]

PV

why don't you just fucking tell us what your messages are?!?!?!?!

[drealmerz7]

1.) how are my reads not obvious? I say I think I have the scumteam RIGHT THERE. If you read it. It's clear and obvious. Did you not read it?

2.) so are you saying you think I'm mafia fakeclaiming? cause if that is the case JUST FUCKING SAY SO OMFG

[drealmerz7]

2. You COULD BE mafia fakeclaiming. Why the fuck do you want me to discount that possibility?

but THAT ISN'T THE POINT YOU MADE
you're just being a scumfuck

[drealmerz7]

3. You never stated your win condition.

yes, I fucking did

[drealmerz7]

4. I told you what the messages said.

no, you fucking didn't

[drealmerz7]

you opened up your PM and it said

"abr or texcat are scum!"

just a huge load of bullfuckingshitscumshit

[drealmerz7]

the other you opened and it simply said:

"look at gale's ISO and the votes on him"

???? like, what?!

neither of those make sense

[drealmerz7]

I used my black market ability. Once on mirhawk and once on you. Mirhawk gave a good amount of detail about their message and part of it was the flavor being rich and like Ircher wrote it.

I imagine the message that was sent to you via me was similar. and I'd like verification as to which "information" you received from me, so I can know what it is, because IIIII will know it is true at least - that is part of why I'm soooooo scumreading you, you seem very hesitant to verify it. I'm not sure we every would have heard about the message if I hadn't called you on it.

You want to doubt my claim, but you know you can't doubt it because the message is "there in your hands" and I told everyone it was there.

[drealmerz7]

sorry, I'm not going to play the game for you

your particaption and gameplay has SUCKED BALLS the entire game and now that you are here and present, anxious for the scum-win and just trying to secure it, I'm sure now

what's your read on WQ, PV?

[drealmerz7]

you opened up your PM and it said

"abr or texcat are scum!"

just a huge load of bullfuckingshitscumshit

You just said you don't know what's it in.

Now you do?

READ MY FUCKING POSTS, MAN

geezus fuck you're so gd annoying

[drealmerz7]

... you are here and present...

but you're still having an impossible time putting together coherent thoughts for others to follow

nothing new there, apparently though

[drealmerz7]

OMFG READ
READ


REAAAADDD


do you know how to REAAAAD????

[drealmerz7]

And I told you what both said. Why are you so bent about it?

so there was no flavor like with mirhawk's? so you're saying we can't differentiate which one came from my true intel ability because it was super basic

"abr or texcat is scum"

and

"read gale's ISO and look at the votes"

BULLSHIT

there has to be consistency and a way to tell which one is mine, with all of the fucking potentiality for messages written in the game and with how mirhawk talked about the flavor with it, you are just full of shit

[drealmerz7]

Has the contents of his message been mod-confirmed?

what the fuck are you talking about? mod is going to come out and confirm an anonymous message as the one with true intel coming from a true claimed info gathering source?

how does this even make any fucking sense???

omg

I'm done with you, scumfucktrollshitface

[drealmerz7]

@ABR Drealmerz did here

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8668761

why are you hand-holding and spoon-feeding people who can't read / fail reading comprehension?

tell them the answer is there, and to GO FUCKING FIND IT AND PAY ATTENTION TO THE GAME

[drealmerz7]

we're at a crucial point here and I feel like everyone's like 'duhhh waahhhh? huhhh???'

[drealmerz7]

Drealmerz go get a beer.

alcohol is a toxin and kills the brain

[drealmerz7]

Drealmerz said the message was ABR or Texcat scum. He confirmed that and got onto PV for saying it wasn't flowery. Not that it didn't say ABR or Texcat scum. He said the details later. PV is not a flowery message guy. He is brief. If you want flowery ask me. I give a novel and a half when sometimes a short story suffices.

no no no!!

I don't know the contents of the message. There is no way for me to confirm that what PV is telling us is true. All I know is that I sent a message to PV and that that information in the message is True. BUT I don't know what the information is!!!!

He could be lying. THAT is what I'm getting at. The way he told us what it said, DOESN'T SOUND BELIEVABLE. I believe he got a message from me, and the way he has gone about it, makes me doubt he's telling us the truth about the message.

[drealmerz7]

ESPECIALLY since Mirhawk's was a list of several people, and PV's is TWO?!?!?

one of which is confirmed mason?! (GE was mason, ABR claimed mason, I have very little doubt here)

how does that make sense?

[drealmerz7]

that's WAYYY too powerful of an ability for what my ability is

that sort of information would have cost me a lot more money!!!!

haha

[drealmerz7]

I WANT to believe it, I just find it hard to believe that my ability is that helpful.

[drealmerz7]

He also didn't know what I know (or don't know) about the message.

he was fishing me for information regarding the message so he knew how much he could report and get away with if he false reported

that's my read on it

[drealmerz7]

once he got re-confirmation (which he had already ready my post where I said I didn't know what information was sent, but he went fishing prying just to make sure) he went ahead and spilled the beans, as vaguely as possible

[drealmerz7]

Which is making me wonder why your other messages were so ----uninformative.

only 1 other message...

and I'm very curious about that as well

do you understand why I doubt you???

should we maybe be doubting mirhawk? fuck...

[drealmerz7]

Drealm,
Get a grip. Mirhawk was open and honest about his message. He didn't know where it came from. PV, who has already lied about Eager/WQ, had info about your message before he revealed it.

I was more looking for what PV had to say about that idea...

[drealmerz7]

if WQ flips town I am going to cry boiling blood

[drealmerz7]

If texcat is killed and flips town, PV is the one lying.

[drealmerz7]

UNVOTE: White Queens
VOTE: texcat

[drealmerz7]

fuck that was intense

[drealmerz7]

always lynch the NS claim when it's that close to endgame

always

even if I WERE NS and you believed the "I play to the theme of how I want to play my role" (which is ABSOLUTELY TRUE!), you STILL have to lynch it

+++willpower+++

[drealmerz7]

that was a LOT of fun

kind of speechless a bit

Ircher, kudos, dude!!! BEAUTIFUL setup!!! the awesomeness of it all is what made me bring my A-game

more to say later, I'm sure!

[drealmerz7]

Why was the game over? After scum get a kill it would be 4v3

I was wondering that as well but I'm not good at end-game stuff so I just figured I had it wrong in the mechanics somehow?

[drealmerz7]

can't assume town lynches a scum-claim though

[drealmerz7]

ABR helped a lot too

[drealmerz7]

I was trying to lynch WQ because I viewed them as a liability and thought it'd be better for the team to get them out of the game sooner before they caused more damage.

I genuinely wanted that slot so dead, I didn't care about busing, but, I guess Aeronaut lynch makes more sense (?) ...

BNL - why not kill you? as you'll see in the scumchat we couldn't really agree on much

ehh, those vig shots were part of the balance with how heavy-powered town was (mason-watcher and elite BG and everything)

[drealmerz7]

It was me but I don't care it was something about my personal life? whatever

I'm ballsout

[drealmerz7]

I'll have more notes, but, a quickie:

Ircher kept wanting us to kill the BG -

if I know there is BG I will most likely not target them, I will just pick targets that they aren't going to pick and hope I hit PRs - that was the 1 good thing I think we got from WQ, she pushed the NK away from wisdom N1

thanks for the words in the mod PT

this was my 4th time ever being scum (5 if you count an all-scum game, and the 4th game actually started after this one but completed sooner) vs. about 15 times being town (75% of those being VT) - that also helps with the passion of play, I was soooo thrilled to roll scum

[drealmerz7]

drealmerz7's fakeclaim was epic btw. ...

His fakeclaim was great! He had been planning it from day 1 btw.

thank you! I thought I wasn't going to get to ever use it!!! I wanted to SO badly (inspired by the flavor!) and didn't even have it all solidified, just the concepts and pretty much what I'd said from the get-go D1 was where I'd left it stewing the back of my mind.

then I saw an opportunity that I thought I could make work, which just kind of grew out of nothing it was weird suddenly there before me and I went "OHHELLYEAHHH HEREWEGO!" and jumped off the cliff

--- my HS would have lynched me in a heartbeat with that claim, all votes would have rushed on me as fast as possible, we are MUCH stricter than here with NS claims (and with pretty much everything), by a lot, by so much that even when a NS is at L-1, they just fake-claim because they know NS claim is death, even on D1

- aero that was not your doing, that was one of the worst lynches I've ever seen (glad to be a part of it!)

- omg 80 PMS, ircher? you're a sport!

[drealmerz7]

mod = ventport for drealmerz rage

[drealmerz7]

(!!!)

And the list was all town

:þ

I almost pooped myself when some good townies PoEd the scumteam - I had an argument to dissolve it, but, still, not where I wanted to go AT ALL

[drealmerz7]

absolutely my strongman on ABR was next NK - it had to be, no question (I even essentially asked Ircher via PM if I was going to kill both MathBlade+ABR or just ABR if using strongman, though I don't think I named names, but that was what I had in mind when I asked the question, because, well...duh...)

PLUS, it was almost going to be the NK the night before if we hadn't learned that MB was going to guard ABR so went for GE (that was my thinking anyway, I thought MB would guard GE because it was the less likely NK target, and therefor would become the most likely especially with how ABR was playing) - thanks MB for sharing that info with eS!

[drealmerz7]

dude, you had me in your top TRs most of the game and only saw the light BARELY once or twice and then got quickly clouded back over, and then I towncleared WQ with you by pushing her so much, and then you read eS as town after all his lala-shit and subbed out because you couldn't stand his "stupidity" or whatever happened there

really try and be objective with yourself and tell if you think you would have really figured it

what'd you think of my claim?

having said that, regardless of how much improvement I think you could use in your playstyle, you were the best player town had and it was fun battling with you

[drealmerz7]

btw unless the mod has damn good reasoning for cutting the game early this doesn't go on my wiki.

read the things, it's not really early, though as a mod I probably would have let it go to the next Day and watched it play out for a final finalizing

hell, just for the contingent of all 3 scum fall asleep at the wheel and don't submit a NK

[drealmerz7]

and I had essentially already said I was going to strongman ABR on the next Night

[drealmerz7]

Would you have killed Math knowing he was an Elite BG instead of a regular BG?

I did know they were elite and, no, strongman through to the mason who should be being protected by the BG and let that angle into the mix of why that slot didn't protect ABR - not an angle I cared about or was going to pursue, but, it would have been there

bigger for me were the points: 1.) that ABR was unpredicable and I needed to be able to control the game better going forward (always act as if it's not end-game, imo, because you never *know*), 2.) I thought I had MB more in my trust corner as well, especially with the siblinghood chat. They were semi-suspect of PV too, needed to keep MB alive.

the only other kill I even let pass my head was mirhawk because I thought they might step it up end-game and do damage, but I figured they were vanilla and I could handle getting opposed in end-game and get who I needed to side with me regardless

[drealmerz7]

I'm also not good (because I have no experience really) with end-game stuff

eS very well could have talked me into making a more "right" decision if there was one and I probably would have been trusting and gone with that in deference

[drealmerz7]

GWS, one of the reasons (for me) that you were the NK was because I didn't want to answer you ?s to me in Aerth chat and I knew if we killed you it would just be the rest of us scums in there and it'd be no worries

[drealmerz7]

you did all notice that all 4 scum were on Aerth, right?

total coincidence of course

[drealmerz7]

be free!!! fly!!!!!

pls don't lock this thread until I get some post game comments done which could be like a week?

[drealmerz7]

that was me telling UT, but, maybe he won't read that and I'll PM him, thanks