Ttyll Mafia - Game Over!

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

I also thought it was Talk To You Later L----.

[Aeronaut]

is that referencing something other than just the abbreviation of ttyl? like is that the name of a webcomic or something?

Nah, I just didn't expect to be thrown into an entire doctor-who-esque complex world system. It's really cool so far, though.

@all

not an issue, but, it's dreaLmer, with an L in there, like realm, with a "d", drealm + er

I'm going to forget about this almost immediately.

No signing, we are a singular entity and it is puuurrrfectly ok to treat us as such and expect we take responsibility for the other

Please sign. I already think that signing should be required in any Hydra, but if you're really not going to sign anything you post, all that's going to do is create a much harder slot for all of us to read. If you're town, you should realize that not signing is going to make town's life difficult. If not, well, I really don't think you should be using hydra vagueness for that kind of advantage

[Aeronaut]

Cool!

[Aeronaut]

Cool!

I disagree with my other head!

UNVOTE: Aeronaut

~P

Hahahaha

[Aeronaut]

I assume so

[Aeronaut]

oh dang, catchup up today

[Aeronaut]

I will 100% be here tonight or I'll replace

[Aeronaut]

Ok boys and girls Aero is here on a redbull induced readthrough of this 30 pages phonebook so wish me luck

while I do think DS is likely scum, arguing he's scum because he proposed a policy lynch is silly

lots of townies do it

I don't know wisdom that well, but I feel like pointing out that someone is scum reading his scum read for the wrong reasons is probably town motivated.

I don't have that much to say about Vedith that's already been said. Asking everyone to trust his read on DS is not terribly scummy, but we have little to go on just yet and even very weak scumreads are good votes at the start of the game.

VOTE: Vedith

this is a "look at me I'm busy" post.

If there is exactly one scum per hood, ABR and Mirhawk look scummier. They have a 50% chance of being scum.

Why would there be one scum per hood? They're chosen.

why would there be one scum per hood

And wisdom again comes in and says what I'm thinking right after I think it.

Lets reveal the hoods now so we dont get any surprises later

What sort of surprise would that be? Is there some advantage to revealing now?

Yes. Fake mason claims...dumbass gambits...PT slips...

You of all people aren't seriously going to lecture us about dumbass gambits, are you?

Hey. Quick question.
Can someone explain the benefit of towns?
I'm not really sure how to utilize this.

Towns can be used for goods and services.

VOTE: Wisdom

I think this is Wisdom's scum play.

Great, I like easy day 1 lynches.
Why?

Also, thought on PV now?

My experience with Wisdom as scum.

Would like to see more, and please don't distract.

As a person who also played in that piece of shit game, A) Wisdom was straight, unemotional and logical throughout that game. I know because I townread him most of the game for it. So idk what you're talking about. B) You cannot meta someone off of one game.

VOTE: Wis

The whole preday thing bothers me. His reluctance to try to work with others and try to solve the whole neighborhood thingy.

But like, what's the scum motive for not wanting that information out? The whole thing seems null to me at best.

Vedith are you playing in a pro-town or anti-town way?

Wow this is a big game.. 9 to lynch with 5 votes already on Wisdom that must mean something but not sure what yet

Stay tuned for more inconsequential and meaningless posts by eagerSnake

I think Wisdom is guaranteed scum just by that logic.

Irregardless of the fact that he is 100% a scumfuck this game.

Did you know that Chrome's spellchecker recognizes irregardless as an actual word? Yes, I know it's not. I was being facetious.

Wisdom is a mild scumread. It's a better vote than any other D1 vote at the moment.

VOTE: Wisdom

P.S. Due to the nature of this game, wagons form quicker and are more successful than normal.

The first and second sentences of this post can be said and mean the same thing as the vote a few inches below. Cool contribution to an already eh wagon.

right
join me on DS when you get bored voting obvtown

yep total omgus

keep claiming scum

because he's obvious scum

^scum

This case on DS is actually nonexistent, though.

V/LA for

a few days

four years while I process last night

Lol

Trump rocks baby \o/

let's not

[Aeronaut]

if shit I say is answered later then just disregard it I guess. Moving onto pt 2

[Aeronaut]

I certainly questioned it. I think I have a general dislike of hydras.

Thaaaat's racist

VOTE: white queens

ok that's a scum claim. You've seen town Wisdom play like that countless times.

Vedith and texcat is town
DS and Gale are still scum
Im unsure about White Queens. Mara felt like she was unsure about me despite her words and now changing her vote proves so.

VOTE: DS

I really don't understand how Wisdom went from thinking that WQ had basically scum claimed, to "oh I'm not sure"

You're not seeing a persons thinking that is left outside of writing.

He went from "if you don't sign, you're getting pl'd" to not even thinking about us completely. Reason why isn't stated, but it's pretty simple to deduce

I have zero understanding why this would mean he's necessarily town.

Plz.

You play with AtE more as scum.than.you do town. You're trying to play yourself the.victim here and god knows.that you never do that, period so that happing is a nice flag

Hate to be that guy, but could you cite some games where this actually happens?

Vaxkiller, can you talk about your flip-flop here? I'm trying to understand why the flip to Wisdom. I understand the vote on Diamond for voting for a PL, but why did you change your mind? You say that you don't know what to think, but I can't understand why that led to the vote on Wisdom. And why the repeat vote?

My reasons for voting Diamond:

Spoiler:

So, once pre-game is over, intent to PL White Queens. Just figured I should declare that.

ill help you with that

ill help you with that

I'll give this a pretty strong town-read, for now.

thats silly
why do you think i wouldnt say that as scum?

thats silly
why do you think i wouldnt say that as scum?

Because, if I remember correctly, you were scum in Soccer Spirits. Your scum game is incredibly different from your town game. There are very few people on here I can read as easily as you (Titus is another one). I am a wizard at reading you two.

That's also why I said, for now. That is definitely a thing that town-you says, but it is only one thing. I'll leave it until about D2.

my scum game is identical to my town game
and you using a multiball game for an example doesnt help; in multiball i play even more like town

also that didnt answer why I wouldnt say that as scum. If you can read me that well, you should be able to explain.

my scum game is identical to my town game
and you using a multiball game for an example doesnt help; in multiball i play even more like town

also that didnt answer why I wouldnt say that as scum. If you can read me that well, you should be able to explain.

Nah. I can't really explain why I do anything. It's just a feeling that I get that's really really obvious when you are scum.

There was a reason I was hardcore pushing you in SS and it wasn't because I was also scum. In Machina you were really town. In SS, you weren't. I can't explain what either of those mean. I just know that it's a feeling I get.

i cant tell if youre just naive thinking you can read me off 2 games when people who have ~20 games with me still cant or you're scum trying to buddy me, but im leaning the latter for now

My reasons for switching to Wisdom:

Spoiler:

while I do think DS is likely scum, arguing he's scum because he proposed a policy lynch is silly

lots of townies do it

If you say I can't read you, then don't even bother trying to read me.

Few people do it well, and even fewer do it for legit reasons.

lol

i dont care if you think my reasons are legit or not

you feel like caught scum to me and i cant wait to vote you

lol

i dont care if you think my reasons are legit or not

you feel like caught scum to me and i cant wait to vote you

1. You can vote me now.
2. How on earth would I be "caught" this early in the game?!

Caught scum is usually a. pressured (which you're doing a terrible job of, if that's what you're trying to do) or b. scumslip in some way.

Nothing I said could possibly be taken as a scumslip. I have nothing to slip at all.

you scumslipped when you called me town

...

These aren't reasons, these are quotes. Can you explain what you found scummy about them?

VOTE: txtcat

I'm pretty sure this is the scum in our sisterhood based on what's going on, I'll get back to wisdom later

What? Why is Texcat scummier than wisdom, who you've been pushing like it's your job?

[Aeronaut]

Ohai Aero. Part of the late night catchup club too I see.

Yeah, we're getting T-shirts i heard at the next coffee house!

they say "chose mafia over sleep "

[Aeronaut]

oh dang, catchup up today

fuck this lurksack

so basically your point is you disagree with how strong my scumread on DS was
how does that make me scum?

You escalated you read on Diamond with poor reasoning (he didnt seem to be acting like caught scum to me) and I think you thought everyone was on your side so you kept at it. The scumslip comment was the turning point for me.

okay. What's happening is that you dislike the way I post. It happens to almost everyone in their first game with me. You'll get used to it.

Ok, so here Wisdom is straight up discrediting Vax's post instead of reaponding to it. He calls out Wis for poor reasoning, and for the over exaggerated scum slip comment, and wis just reduces it to "you don't like my posting style" which very clearly isn't the case.

I keep trying to view wisdom with the benefit of the doubt, and he just keeps digging himself further.

I see it was brought up, but it struck me hard when I read it so I'll revisit the point - wisdom HAS been lynched as town. (when I read his post that he doesn't get lynched as town I was going to ask "really? never?!") And wisdom also said their town game is exactly the same as their scum game, and so if they get lynched more as scum than town (showing the same exact playstyles) to me means we are MUCH MORE LIKELY to be lynching a scum wisdom here than a town wisdom.

I actually hate this post. The first part just feels like fence sitting since Wis is also town reading drealmerz last I checked. The second part is just awful logic. Whether he's presenting it as AI is moot, because he's still here, presenting it.

what do you think, that i would be attracting attention to myself as scum for no reason?

have you bothered checking any of my scum games?

You saying "I wouldn't attract attention to myself as scum" makes that point pretty much useless.

[Aeronaut]

I like that slogan, it fits my playstyle.

Remind me to visit the title fairy with that one post-game

[Aeronaut]

I keep trying to view wisdom with the benefit of the doubt, and he just keeps digging himself further.

I see it was brought up, but it struck me hard when I read it so I'll revisit the point - wisdom HAS been lynched as town. (when I read his post that he doesn't get lynched as town I was going to ask "really? never?!") And wisdom also said their town game is exactly the same as their scum game, and so if they get lynched more as scum than town (showing the same exact playstyles) to me means we are MUCH MORE LIKELY to be lynching a scum wisdom here than a town wisdom.

I will analyse this in depth later. However, what I will say is that the two statements in the last sentence seem contradictory.

I will need to check later, but my basic idea is looking at all Wisdom's games, discarding all the Town games where he was either PR or cleared by PR, and discarding all scum games where he was caught by PR. This leaves the games where he was lynched or not lynched based on his play alone. If he really is lynched much less often as Town than scum, his play must be slightly different based on whether he is Town or scum.

If his play truly is identical as Town or scum, his play carries no information about his alignment. Thus when Town are lynching him they are as likely to be lynching a Town Wisdom as a scum Wisdom. However, this is (probably - I will need to check) not the case. Thus his play must be very slightly different as Town and scum, and he is more likely to be lynched as scum (as players pick up on this). Based on this, he is slightly more likely to be scum based on the fact that he is being wagoned and is likely to be lynched.

Overall, I somewhat agree with the conclusion of this post but I cannot get the logic here.

Here is BTD6 analyzing more things that aren't alignment indicative, and still giving no stances on anything. Inspirational!

Hey guys. Let's do this. Lynch me. You'll see I'm town, and then can finally lynch scum!Wisdom, and then I don't have to deal with stupidity anymore.

How's that sound?

This is actually probably NAI for DS, tbh. Maybe not. I don't know how I feel about this.

whats the matter, ds? people are starting to see who's the real scum here?

Wisdom dick measuring post #43

omg

are both DS and wisdom buddies together? now I just have a scum read on them both - and that would be some incredible staging, BUT, but but but!

they've played together before, if they saw they rolled scummers together, they may very well be like "there's NO way we can be not contentious and not be suspicious, we've got to play it up HARD, and that will eventually lead to 1 of us being free, most likely"

I'm so fucking paranoid now.

I really don't think so.

so it's all pointless

Wisdom nihilism post #103

WSR is hurting my head with this nation talk

I can't see a mod making it different for scum and town, that leaves too much room for huge slips for scum,

I do agree with this though; I really don't see the mod giving out scum PMs before town PMs. On that note, I also don't see a scenario where the mod lets people start posting in a neighborhood before there are role PMs out.

Why does it matter when scum got to choose their planet?

This post seemed like a weird time/thing to chime in on.

I looked at Wisdom's wagon. Apart from myself and DS, there is Vaxkiller, ABR, and Drealmerz.
It seems that at least Vax seems to agree that Wisdom started off Townier and got scummier.
Anyway, it seems like the entirety of today was focused on Wisdom and the interactions with DS, GWS, and Drealmerz.

I will try to analyse the others first.

This, AGAIN, is just a nothing post. He states that he looked at Wisdoms wagon. Great. These are the people who are on the wagon. They are these four people. Here is something Vax thinks. In conclusion, Wisdom interacted with these three people. More to come.

Probably going to be voting this tbh unless he miraculously does something in the next fifteen pages.

MOD

:

Activity call on these folks please!

Vedith Nov 07, 04:57pm Nov 10, 09:18am 2 days 1 hour 31
FrankJaeger Nov 08, 02:50am Nov 10, 08:19am 2 days 2 hours 18
Albert B. Rampage Nov 08, 03:01am Nov 10, 12:42am 2 days 10 hours 18

I was V/LA.

Now I'm back.

1v1 me with Wisdom

Holy shit ABR is in this game I actually forgot. We're all doomed/saved!

By my current notes, Diamond, Gale, and one of BTD/Vax are probably the scum on Wisdom's early wagon, with Eager as scum off the wagon.

that's four scum already, how many scum are you expecting in total?

i doubt there are that many scum on my wagon

Why would you doubt that as town?

wisdom is still super scummy and the better lynch

DS seems more dedicated towards working together and being pro-town (though some scummy stuff there, but it's mostly reading as bait to me) - and if is scum it will reveal itself readily enough, wisdom is priority resolve (which is only okay when the player is scumread, don't vote them if you're not scumreading them), then we evaluate what that means in the light of DS.

I have to be honest and say I see potential for 2 scum-buddies going at it and putting on a show. Like two players who don't generally get along but drew scum together. Go back and look at their interaction, the town-reads and then the quick scum-reads and switch to contention.

It's been in my mind and it persists, even on a re-read.

To expand on what I said before, I really don't see this interaction that way. I guess you could make a case that both of their cases are kind of shit, and they're both kind of scummy for reasons exclusive of those cases, but I don't feel like the risk of being this noisy and fucking up their status in the game quite weighs to any reward to come of it, especially on like D1.

[Aeronaut]

I will 100% be here tonight or I'll replace

I expect a vote, thoughts on Wisdom and DS, as well as thoughts on your lurker buddies (ABR, eager, vedith). I wish the same from the lurkers I listed.

You can't tell me what to do! You're not my dad!

ABR is probably scum, Eager is probably scum, vedith I don't fucking know because he's just a master troll always. Someone needs to clear him.

Not liking DS by Page 4.

cool

I'll vote on whichever of the two leading wagons right now, please guys, don't be like the democrats this year, vote.

If democrats could vote right from the snapchat app then we'd probably have won

Also boring ABR is boring and unhelpful.

VOTE: DS

Okay I'm caught up and this is scum

Wisdom is probably town

Cool nice catchup

He doesn't deserve any pity I can tell you

Why not? I'm quite capable of good town play. You saw me from a scum's PoV in Cyberpunk. I was one of those people who strongarmed your lynch, and was against most of the town lynches of that game.

Hey, we still won though
well, Dwlee did.

UNVOTE:

I found DS's part of the interaction Towny, but I am becoming more convinced that Wisdom is Town too. On closer inspection, their interaction looks more like a Town vs Town interaction.

Who do you think is scum, then? Give me something, anything.

1v1 me

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy????

Holy money you actually are scum, Texcat?
Sneaky.

VOTE: texcat

What

snake is another scum

ABR and snake are scum so far

Expound on this?

I mean I can pretty easily infer why I THINK you would say that, but it also looks kinda like omgus.

Eager is taking a pretty safe line at the moment and is pretty meh and fencey aside from that.

ABR is pretty unabashedly not trying to look for scum, but I can't remember a game off the top of my head where he didn't lurk so there's that.

I actually think he's been very active and the center of attention in almost every game I've played with him, besides Cyberpunk where we were scum.

NY180 is a really good example.

[Aeronaut]

Spoiler: Key

Conftown - {CT}

Town - {T}

LeanTown - {LT}

NullTown - {NT}

Null - {N}

NullScum - {NS}

LeanScum - {LS}

Scum - {S}

ConfScum - {CS}

{LT} texcat [T: 397, 403]

{NT} Frankjaeger [T: 254]
{NT} Mirhawk [T: 479]
{NT} Vaxkiller [T: 431]
{NT} BulletNLynchProof/ThinkBig+ [T: 624]
{NT} drealmerz7 - [T: 42, 43, 108][S: 456, 448]

{N} Gale Wing Srock
{N} PeregrineV
{N} Wisdom [T: 121*, 128, 163, 502][S: 300-307, 409v341*, 432*]
{N} Gamma Emerald/copper223 [S: 112*][T: 673]

{NS} Vedith [NS:107] -1
{NS} White Queens (RachMarie + Ms Marangal). [LS: 253]
{NS} eagerSnake [S: 662]
{NS} DiamondSentinel [NS: 106][S: 406*][T:613]
{NS} Albert B. Rampage [S: Claim, S: Lurk]

{LS} BTD6_Maker

[S: 151, 290*, 503, 570*][T: 584*]

112* (Throwing Shade at Wisdom, Sounds Forced)
121* (Feels the same thing I do about Copper)
151 (scum looking busy post)
290* (Just jumping right onto that wagon, huh?)
406* (I feel like wanting a L-1/Claim like four pages into this game is really early, especially considering the fact that a lot of people hadn't posted much)
409v341* (in 341, WQ has "scum claimed" according to him, but then in 409 he's not sure now.)
432* (Discrediting Vax's post instead of really responding to it. Van also saw the same thing I did, points to him.)
570* (Again says nothing at all. Just states facts about who is posting)
584* (I do sort of agree with this)


PG 7 - Neighborhood/scum talk is WIFOM imo
PG 11 - The Wisdom wagon looks kind of scum motivated to me.
PG 12/13 - Wisdom's case on DS is bad to nonexistent, though.
P15 - Wisdom major ATE at like four votes. It was on a particularly stressful tuesday, though
P20-22 are giving me actual migrains.

[Aeronaut]

Yeah but the point of that was that you were very set on them being scum and then changed back to "i'm not sure"

I get that it was a figure of speech, but it's the same outcome.

p-edit: for americans

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: BTD6_Maker

You should all join me on this wagon.

[Aeronaut]

Ok, that's fair. I just didn't understand that switch when you did it.

P-edit Noice

[Aeronaut]

yeah

[Aeronaut]

I certainly questioned it. I think I have a general dislike of hydras.

Thaaaat's racist

I hope this was meant to be a joke. (And that hydras have not become a race! ) I feel like the two brains vs one is not quite fair. And hydras being able to discuss and debate in private, when the rest of us have to do it in public, seems unfair. I will try not to allow my view on hydras in general affect how I view WhiteQueens.
As a further aside, there are unfortunately plenty of things in our society that could legitimately be called racist. But I think it's a serious charge that should not be used lightly.

It's a play off the recurring gag on the CinemaSins Youtube channel where they point things out as "that's racist" that aren't actually racist. Except in the case of Phantom Menace.

[Aeronaut]

I want people to start fucking posting so I can ACTUALLY READ SOMEONE.

PEdit: Aero, could you actually make content? Your jokes are great and all, but I really really want to be able to do something other than circlejerk with Wisdom.

Are you joking

[Aeronaut]

and I don't like how BTD6 got half of the votes to a lynch overnight.

To be fair, so did Wisdom.

I actually hate this post. The first part just feels like fence sitting since Wis is also town reading drealmerz last I checked. The second part is just awful logic. Whether he's presenting it as AI is moot, because he's still here, presenting it.

I get ya, and I think made a subsequent post reversing the analysis (because I did math and it showed he gets mis-lynched as town more often than correct-lynched as scum, if I remember correctly.)

If you reversed it and I missed it, I apologize. I still didn't really like it at the time, though.

Those 2 townreads he gave (me and Vax I think) I read as "I think these are players easily influenced, if I give them a TR, maybe they'll back off."

Who, Wisdom?

Hey guys. Let's do this. Lynch me. You'll see I'm town, and then can finally lynch scum!Wisdom, and then I don't have to deal with stupidity anymore.

How's that sound?

This is actually probably NAI for DS, tbh. Maybe not. I don't know how I feel about this.

You should feel very queezy about this.

I feel queasy because it's bad play all-around, but not because it's indicative of any alignment. Especially if it's DS, mafiascum's resident sociopath

wisdom is still super scummy and the better lynch

DS seems more dedicated towards working together and being pro-town (though some scummy stuff there, but it's mostly reading as bait to me) - and if is scum it will reveal itself readily enough, wisdom is priority resolve (which is only okay when the player is scumread, don't vote them if you're not scumreading them), then we evaluate what that means in the light of DS.

I have to be honest and say I see potential for 2 scum-buddies going at it and putting on a show. Like two players who don't generally get along but drew scum together. Go back and look at their interaction, the town-reads and then the quick scum-reads and switch to contention.

It's been in my mind and it persists, even on a re-read.

To expand on what I said before, I really don't see this interaction that way. I guess you could make a case that both of their cases are kind of shit, and they're both kind of scummy for reasons exclusive of those cases, but I don't feel like the risk of being this noisy and fucking up their status in the game quite weighs to any reward to come of it, especially on like D1.

Except they're on the way to both being towncleared by most of you for it all. and I've 2nd guessed myself toooo many times on a wagon like Wisdom's (seriously, I don't know how many times a player that is being this way I've seen turn out scum - A LOT more often than as town because TOWN KNOWs IT IS NOT HELPFUL TO TOWN.)

I'm currently reading DS as scummier for it and Wisdom as null for it, when I stack all the good and bad up against each other. I don't think your theory is implausible, but I do think it's something easier examined later on in the game.

ABR is probably scum, Eager is probably scum, vedith I don't fucking know because he's just a master troll always. Someone needs to clear him.

Why probably? I don't like that phrasing. Vedith and I had some back and forth in our small hood and I'm convinced he's scum from it. Like, hook line and sinker as I see it. He bit and ran and I pointed out I had him and he disappeared for days, only to come back and troll and hope we all forgot it happened.

Again, Ved is an enigma to me right now. Can you elaborate on what exactly happened in the hood? Would also like to hear Ved's side of it.

@Aero, I really like your reads list format.
If anyone asks where I got the idea, I'm taking full credit.

Thanks! It's new. Feel free to use it, It makes looking back at my 3am RedBull thoughts way easier.

[Aeronaut]

Current news: ABR, Snake and BTD6 are scum

All three have a short ISO, check them out for yourself.

Why just those 3? I understand that gamma and bullet get a pass due to replacing in, but look at your "lurk" distribution:

Gale 26
FrankJaeger 26

ABR

23
Aeronaut 22
texcat 19

BTD6

14
Gamma 12

eagerSnake

7
BulletNLynchproof 7

I don't think that Wisdom was saying they're scum because they're lurking, but that they are scum, and also happen to be lurking so they're easy to read.

Activity alone is not indicative of alignment. It can be an additional hint, though.

you havent won yet drealmer! our fourth buddy will win the game!

pedit: They are not scum because of lurking

Hahahahahaha

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

@Aero you've posted content recently, but it's only 8 hours worth content. You have almost 6 days of no content to make up for.

I don't think it works like that?
Do you have more stuff to offer us or are you really gonna whine the whole game because if you're town I'd like your input on stuff.

[Aeronaut]

MOD

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Activity call on these folks please!

Vedith Nov 07, 04:57pm Nov 10, 09:18am 2 days 1 hour 31
FrankJaeger Nov 08, 02:50am Nov 10, 08:19am 2 days 2 hours 18
Albert B. Rampage Nov 08, 03:01am Nov 10, 12:42am 2 days 10 hours 18

I was V/LA.

Now I'm back.

1v1 me with Wisdom

I'll vote on whichever of the two leading wagons right now, please guys, don't be like the democrats this year, vote.

1v1 me

The game is really slow I haven't had much time to get invested yet. The time will come when the activity picks up.

He doesn't deserve any pity I can tell you

People apparently seem to be voting me because I am "posting nothing of substance". It's true that I haven't had much to say (I have not got any strong reads/opinions on the interactions just yet) but I am at least producing content. I am trying to figure this game out. On the other hand, here are some of ABR's recent posts. A call for a 1v1 (which I don't see as pro-Town) and some very short posts without even a hint that ABR is trying. From what I see, based on the reasons people have for voting me, ABR is a much better vote. It appears as he is just trying to fly under the radar by posting very little.

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

We're 35 pages in, there is zero chance you've had no impressions.

Please. Lynch. This.

VOTE: BTD6_Maker

You should all join me on this wagon.

Done!

See, ABR listened.

why are you more concerned about what we think of your naked vote than to convince us to vote texcat? you could analyze her posts and make up some reasons but no you just said "cant talk about my reasons but I have very good ones lolol"

Because I'm kinda done with chasing the same stupid butterflies. Nobody listens to anything that I say, so I'll let other people speak and do as I see fit.

I'm listening

Nah, I'll just let other people who are apparently much more capable than I am do the talking.

DS hardcore playing the victim, oh woe is me, nobody will listen to me

I'd listen to you if you were providing anything

VOTE: BTD6

What I said in our PT was, "And I still disagree with the premise that one of us four must be scum. It could be true, who knows?"
It also might be that Vedith has some "special" information that there is scum in our neighborhood, but I have no reason to trust him on that.

Why is Vedith in two hoods? He's also in my hood.

Yeah... I'm going to say right now that this whole texcat wagon is contrived as fuck.

How do the others in the hood feel about this? To me, it looked like Ved is blasting that one line out of proportion.

[Aeronaut]

see, I don't even see scum ever pointing that out

[Aeronaut]

I would like to hear more from WQ in general.

[Aeronaut]

So what's changed:

BTD6_maker: Initially I thought 679 was town, but I've talked to my neighbours about it and now agree that it isn't. And I really didn't like his push on ABR; the main argument he's using is that ABR is worse than him, but he doesn't seem to actually think ABR is scum, just annoyed at how people are voting him instead of ABR. He wants people to unvote him, rather than convince people that ABR is scum.

Yeah; the issue is that he's just jumping onto the person that people like wisdom said they'd also lynch at the time.

I've quoted exactly what I said. Why that means I am scum, I have no idea.

Hint; It doesn't.

MOD

:

Activity call on these folks please!

Vedith Nov 07, 04:57pm Nov 10, 09:18am 2 days 1 hour 31
FrankJaeger Nov 08, 02:50am Nov 10, 08:19am 2 days 2 hours 18
Albert B. Rampage Nov 08, 03:01am Nov 10, 12:42am 2 days 10 hours 18

I was V/LA.

Now I'm back.

1v1 me with Wisdom

I'll vote on whichever of the two leading wagons right now, please guys, don't be like the democrats this year, vote.

1v1 me

The game is really slow I haven't had much time to get invested yet. The time will come when the activity picks up.

He doesn't deserve any pity I can tell you

People apparently seem to be voting me because I am "posting nothing of substance". It's true that I haven't had much to say (I have not got any strong reads/opinions on the interactions just yet) but I am at least producing content. I am trying to figure this game out. On the other hand, here are some of ABR's recent posts. A call for a 1v1 (which I don't see as pro-Town) and some very short posts without even a hint that ABR is trying. From what I see, based on the reasons people have for voting me, ABR is a much better vote. It appears as he is just trying to fly under the radar by posting very little.

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

We're 35 pages in, there is zero chance you've had no impressions.

Please. Lynch. This.

I don't understand what you are trying to say. You probably don't understand my playstyle. There is currently a lack of anything concrete at the moment so while I get impressions, they tend to be very weak. (The 35 pages are probably a contributing factor, as I have to skim it) Furthermore, everything (barring role claims) that can be said by Town can easily be faked by scum, and a lot of scummy things can also be said by Town.

So by this logic, nobody in any game should be able to get solid reads or push anyone.

The fact is that you're just sitting around fluff-posting and not doing anything to solve the game. The only time you've given even one position on anything is when you were looking for a lynch that wasn't yourself, and that wasn't even a case.

ABR gets a townlean
I dont like Gale being as shallow as Vedith re:texcat
Still thinking texcat is town

Yeah. Gale jumping right onto this is a red flag.

I'm not going to trust you without telling us why you "know" there is scum in your neighborhood.

This is a really good point.

[Aeronaut]

thats not why people are voting btd6

I respect Aeros vote, but the rest are just following on what he said, and Albert and Bullet have done nothing this game so far as well.

What do you mean bullet's done nothing? If anything, he's given more reasoning than me on the matter; and if you respect my vote, then do you think it's misguided or do you think it's right? Is the only reasoning you have for not joining just that people jumped on?

Going with that, you can take a pick of lynching me first or Texcat. I don't care what order.
Lynch Texcat, if he's town you can have me for free.
Lynch me, my flip results in a Texcat lynch.

You're creating a false Dichotomy.

Why is BTD6 town?

I don't get why people are saying he is doing nothing of substance. I read through his iso multiple times and I don't see it. I see town BTD6. But his 815 post did drop him a few pegs in my opinion:

Please give me a list of things of substance you think he's done. Don't dodge this question.

I mean are you guys telling my ABR and eager have provided more original thoughts and substance to the game than this guy? Why BTD6 over them?

No I'm not, but you can only lynch one player a day. Take a good look at what he's actually saying in his posts. The answer is absolutely nothing.

[Aeronaut]

@People

BTD is not scum because he's a lurker, he's scum because whenever he shows up, he writes a quick paragraph of non-information and then dips.

[Aeronaut]

lurking is not alignment indicative

stop strawmanning

pedit: @btd6

[Aeronaut]

Because he's scum.

If it makes you feel any better, Gale's scum too

[Aeronaut]

BTD or gale?

I'm phone posting right now but BTD is scum for all of the reasons I mentioned in my catch-up. I can reiterate them later on when I'm home if you want.

P-edit Maybe. I don't know. I hate that jump with a passion though

[Aeronaut]

Gale is a better lynch than BTD.
Gale is opportunist as fuck. BTD is more likely town.

Sweet

VOTE: Vedith

Ok so gale is definitely scum.

In order

Town

Gale Wing Srock-Active scum hunting. Probably trying to figure out the game more than anyone. But that goes too far sometimes. 941 seems a bit like paranoia. The tex vote bothers me, but everything else seems legit.

I highly disagree with this. I haven't looked at the things you posted as examples of this yet though.

PeregrineV-435 is townish. Light content. Pretty Null.

What?

Anyone want to vote BTD with me?
His lurking is scum behaviour.

Wait, why is BTD at L1?

???

It was an obvious joke
Would take a whole 2 seconds to realise if you read the 2 posts before mine.

I read the two posts before yours in both instances and I don't see what points to this being a joke. Did you mean you passing it off as joke? Yes, that.

Hey Vedith, why is BTD town?

The wagon on him just formed too easily for my liking.
The problem with BTD is he doesn't look at the whole picture and looks scummy for his thought process.

Well my issue is that he isn't really sharing a thought process. Do you see anything before I voted him where he gives any sort of read on anybody? Or does it just look like meaningless obvious facts about the game? The answer is the latter.

Texcat is still town, vedith is just being stupidly stubborn like usual. Drealm is obviously town. Either their hood is all town or its White Queens whos scum.

In other news, anyone wanna wagon eagersnake with me?

I don't see the point. He could be scum, etc, but there's people worse than him right now which include Gale and BTD that we're going to actually get information from lynching.

Yes, we are a part of the sister hood, I already confirmed it with txtcat push...so uh

Yes, I'm pretty sure txt is scum in there based off hood stuff

And yes. Im a busy cat

Wow, I am underwhelmed by this post.

Once I am no longer the main wagon, I can focus on attacking others I find scummy but first I must be alive for that.

Feeling a lot better about Vax now.

What made you feel better about him

[Aeronaut]

I have a few games experience with Vedith so I ISOd him and his posts here matches what I would expect from him so I think he's probably town

Why did the Diamond Sentinel wagon dissolve? He was probably being bussed and his buddies saw an opportunity to dissolve his wagon because he never did anything townie

Lol also wish WQ would SIGN THEIR POSTS

ok ew

[Aeronaut]

If you have any questions, please bold me when you address me (preferably with

@DS

) otherwise I am liable to not see it. Seey'all later! Time for a Calc 3 exam.

I feel like DS is like that friend we all have that always acts like it's a privilege to have him around like you're wasting his time by existing.

Null!Scum/Stupid: (This is a group that just encompasses bad play. Either they are scum or they are just playing terribly. Not really any in-between.)
BTD6
Frank
Vaxkiller
Texaco
Mirhawk

Can you elaborate on which of these players you think is more likely to be dumb, and which is more likely to be scum, if you had to choose? I feel like it's intentionally vague and noncommittal if you're going to give us a list of players that could either be VI or Scum.

Also, what jumped out at you for Scum!Mirhawk from his posts before this reads list?

Scum:
Gale
eager

Why is eager more scummy than BDT?

eager is weird. He replaced into one of my games once and lead us to a flawless town victory. He had a super high post count. I've seen him in games since and he hasn't been posting as much. He seems off his game and has little time.

Wish he had more time, because no one can read him here.

That said eager is a dumb lynch until we get more info from him. Wisdom and Vedith lynches give us so much more information that BTD6 + eager lunches. They are easy scum-bait lynches that tell us nothing.

This is a really interesting perspective on Eager, and I'm glad we know he's been active/good before. That being said, I agree with you that his lynch does next to nothing for us right now.

BTD on the other hand is different in my eyes; A) he's had a lot of interactions now with people / people have given a real stance on it. B) His flip can help sort Vedith; reason being, I can certainly see scum starting up that awful Texcat counter wagon to save BTD, but only if BTD is scum. If he's town, I feel better about Vedith, because why would you start that shit if there's a perfectly good mislynch hot and steaming, ready for you?

Which reminds me, why on earth would you think that if you have to replace people in your scumreads that you have to replace them with one person from your null list and one from your town list specifically? Walk me through your thought process on that.

It's a scum thought process IMO

[Aeronaut]

1. BTD honestly hasn't really been a super strong scumread for me ever. I've sorta just sheeped people. Eager is definitely scum

Again.. why is Eager "definitely scum", when BDT isn't to you?

[Aeronaut]

Why ask Snake if he expects to live? What does that gain? It's a loaded question.

I took it as a townie trying to promote his activity instead of jumping onto the lurkerwagon

You often half type up posts?
Your post in the hood was in response to Texcat which was 2mins before my post (your response was 6 after mine of corse)
You were half way into typing that, responded to 2 out of 3 questions from me, then finished it off?
Nice work.
You are really triggered over this situation...

VOTE: BTD
No reason, just doing it for fun.

Oh. What?

Vedith who is scum to you right now?

Phew, me too! (tho I still have no clue what the big deal was).

I mis understood but the scrolling part makes complete sense.
I actually think our hood is full town now.

what the fuck

@aero
That pv read=null with 1 post that seems towny

Yeah others seem to be really looking at gales most recent play as questionable. Im looking at his early play and weighing that more (while not ignoring the latter)

Makes sense. what do you make of him lurking out right after people started voting him?

I read the two posts before yours in both instances and I don't see what points to this being a joke. Did you mean you passing it off as joke? Yes, that.

You mean the 2 posts before of BTD saying he is scum read by others for lurking then Wisdom said no one is scum reading him for lurking.

oh

[Aeronaut]

Well that page took a turn.

[Aeronaut]

Here's how I'm feeling.

RLv1.2

Spoiler: Key

Conftown - {CT}

Town - {T}

LeanTown - {LT}

NullTown - {NT}

Null - {N}

NullScum - {NS}

LeanScum - {LS}

Scum - {S}

ConfScum - {CS}

{T} Mirhawk [T: 479, 112, 1125]
{T} BulletNLynchProof/ThinkBig+ [T: 624, 1016, 1137]

{LT} texcat [T: 397, 403]
{LT} Frankjaeger [T: 254, 746]
{LT} drealmerz7 - [T: 42, 43, 108, 1178][S: 456, 448]

{NT} Vaxkiller [T: 431]
{NT} PeregrineV [T: 970]
{NT} Wisdom [T: 121*, 128, 163, 502, 771][S: 300-307, 409v341*, 432*]

{N} Gamma Emerald/copper223 [S: 112*][T: 673]

{NS} White Queens (RachMarie + Ms Marangal). [LS: 253][S: WCL*]
{NS} Albert B. Rampage [S: Claim, S: Lurk]

{LS} Vedith [NS:107][S: CTC*, 925v950]
{LS} eagerSnake [S: 662, 1119]

{S} DiamondSentinel [NS: 106][S: 406*, 739, 1129*, 1168*][T: 613]
{S} Gale Wing Srock [S:862*, 959, LWV*]
{S} BTD6_Maker [S: 151, 290*, 503, 570*][T: 584*]

Spoiler: *****

112* (Throwing Shade at Wisdom, Sounds Forced)
121* (Feels the same thing I do about Copper)
151 (scum looking busy post)
290* (Just jumping right onto that wagon, huh?)
406* (I feel like wanting a L-1/Claim like four pages into this game is really early, especially considering the fact that a lot of people hadn't posted much)
409v341* (in 341, WQ has "scum claimed" according to him, but then in 409 he's not sure now.)
432* (Discrediting Vax's post instead of really responding to it. Van also saw the same thing I did, points to him.)
570* (Again says nothing at all. Just states facts about who is posting)
584* (I do sort of agree with this)
CTC* (Contrived Texcat Case)
862* (Jumping on an awful case)
1129* (Having a group of players who could either be dumb or scum is super hedgy and noncommittal.)
1168* (Mirhawk's point on DS's Reads list; why do you need a certain amount of each thing?)
LWV* (Lurking when Voted; Gale suddenly disappears when people start voting him. Hmm...)
WCL* (Weird Choice Lurking; I feel like WQ is barely participating / participating on just certain topics.)


PG 7 - Neighborhood/scum talk is WIFOM imo
PG 11 - The Wisdom wagon looks kind of scum motivated to me.
PG 12/13 - Wisdom's case on DS is bad to nonexistent, though.
P15 - Wisdom major ATE at like four votes. It was on a particularly stressful tuesday, though
P20-22 are giving me actual migrains.

Spoiler: Changes since V1 (Post 711)

Mirhawk

^^

BulletNLynchProof

^^

FrankJaeger

^

Drealmerz

^

PeregrineV

^

Wisdom

^

Vedith

-1

Eagersnake

-1

BTD6_Maker

-1

DiamondSentinal

-2

Gale Wing Srock

-3

[Aeronaut]

I feel like I still want to lynch BTD6, especially now that it seems harder and harder for it to go through. I think a scum flip from him would give us really good information on Ved despite that last vote, as well as Gale, and most of those people who jumped right the fuck on the texcat train.

Snake is a bad alternative to BTD; lynching him gives us absolutely nothing. I also am of the opinion that posting a lot and saying nothing in those posts (like BTD) is leagues worse than posting the one liners that snake has. I still think they both have a good chance of being scum, but I think BTD has a much better chance.

[Aeronaut]

wow how many times can Aero say BTD in the same post

[Aeronaut]

Gale is someone I'd also like to lynch, but at the same time, my read on him is significantly influenced by what BTD flips, so it makes way more sense to leave him until tomorrow.

[Aeronaut]

Also, what jumped out at you for Scum!Mirhawk from his posts before this reads list?

You missed one.

[Aeronaut]

Aero, stop trying to make scumputer happen. It's not going to happen.

PEdit: I don't understand what you're asking.

I'm asking why Mirhawk was scum to you at the time of your reads list.

[Aeronaut]

Dreal, what can I say to make you switch from Ved to B wagon

[Aeronaut]

Aero is bad at sarcasm in text

[Aeronaut]

Home today. Will do some reading and post soon

Everyone else hasn't posted anything remarkable.

I fully expected that both scums are scum, and at least 2 from my null!scum list are, but I suspect that at 1-2 of these 4 possibilities are wrong, and they're replaced by someone on my other lists, mostly 1 from my town stack and 1 from my null.

Just accounting for natural human error.

This is probably town

UNVOTE: DiamondSentinel

I think the votes on Vedith are bad but I will re-read him

Ugh

[Aeronaut]

Buzzwords? Have you ever met a dictionary?

I'm saying that you're leaving space in your scumreads for you to get out of them later, which looks bad to me.

I also don't like your list in general due to you not justifying any of the reads your espousing in it. Also both of your top scum look like low hanging fruit.

Gamma has 24 posts, most of which are one liners. Peregrines posts about twice as much but the content is similar. If you're getting solid townreads from those I don't know what to say.

If Eager is being "definitely scummy" then in what way is he doing so? Have you never seen a lurker just barely play before? Why is he a better lynch then BTD?

1. No, I'm saying these people need to die. I need no reason to slip out of them, because they deserve to die.

2. Well, yeah, that's because they're obv!scum.

3. Gamma's content has been incredibly townie. As has PV's. As multiple people have said before,

quality over quantity

.

4. He's not just a lurker. He's a lurker whose every post is scummy. And BTD6 looks like he could be VI. He's definitely a liability, but there's slight leeway for him to be town. I definitely can't say the same for Eager.

Also, I have played with lurkers before. I've played with PV multiple times, and WHY ELSE WOULD I HAVE SPENT THE ENTIRE FIRST PART OF THE GAME ASKING FOR NO MORE LURKERS

fix'd

Merci Beaucoup

Aero, stop trying to make scumputer happen. It's not going to happen.

PEdit: I don't understand what you're asking.

I'm asking why Mirhawk was scum to you at the time of your reads list.

Because he's not being town. And being somewhat scum.

gr8

Why is "If Eager's scum, his flip will give up nothing" a reason against lynching him?

Because... the reason you lynch people on day 1 is for information?

I also think BTD is still objectively scummier than Eager anyway, but for those who think they're equally bad, I'm arguing that it should still be BTD because his flip gives us more.

Some stuff came up yesterday and I will be V/LA until tomorrow night 11/20/16

Will try to post.

For the love of God, please don't lynch anyone without my supervision.

Why do we need your supervision? You're not my dad! You can't tell me what to do!

I'm not understanding the assumption that I'm lurking, I try to get a at least one post in per day :<


I also still don't understand the BTD wagon, and I don't understand why txt cat isn't being looked at, and why wisdom is falling off.

What don't you understand? The texcat wagon was god awful from the get go, and you're saying that as if you're not the only person still on it. Coming in here and saying "wait what's happening to the texcat wagon" is like walking into a strip mall and saying "where are all the Blockbusters and Radioshacks? Are people shopping there less?"

That game was there to show how he's manipulated my partner into being scum

How to you manipulate someone into changing their alignment?

Home today. Will do some reading and post soon

Everyone else hasn't posted anything remarkable.

I fully expected that both scums are scum, and at least 2 from my null!scum list are, but I suspect that at 1-2 of these 4 possibilities are wrong, and they're replaced by someone on my other lists, mostly 1 from my town stack and 1 from my null.

Just accounting for natural human error.

This is probably town

UNVOTE: DiamondSentinel

I think the votes on Vedith are bad but I will re-read him

Please vig this awful slot tonight.

[Aeronaut]

@Ircher

I absolutely love your vote counts. I tried to do it that detailed once and it was so much work. Thank you for going the extra effort, it's really appreciated!

[Aeronaut]

So why not vote for him?

i mean, i could ask you the same question

[Aeronaut]

For the love of God, please don't lynch anyone without my supervision.

OK, this feels town.

Why? It barely feels like anything but empty town points to me.

woah, GWS is above BTD6 for willing-to-lynch for now for me

What particularly made him more lynchable for you?

I'm scum reading Gale still, but I really didn't see much wrong with those two wall posts. If anything it gave me better insight into why he was shit-jumping.

I am ambivalent about frank :/

Why did you suddenly just jump on vedith?

"I could lynch him"
"I am ambivalent"

These should never exist together. Really, the second should never be said.

I'm willing to agree with wisdom that this deserves rope.

Because I 100% scumread you, and I have doubts on BTD's scuminess.

How much would I have to pay you guys to vote Gale with me? Because that's 100% scum.

DS seems to have an apparent 100% scumread on Gale Wing Srock (and also seems to think WQ should be today's lynch). However, I don't see much explanation for DS' read on Gale. When I see someone with strong reads, I assume there is a reason behind the reads as I doubt strog reads can come from gut alone. Weak reads might, but that's another matter. Now, DS is refusing to give reasons for this.

Having extremely strong reads with weaker backing is often a huge mistake. Take Open 642 for example. In Day 1 Ranger had 2 extremely strong scumreads on InnocentVillager and Music and Mail (both Town), without equally strong evidence to back it up (Ranger actually lost confidence with IV but was still locked on with her read). What the actual result was was that IV was lynched Day 1 and Ranger was a wagon many times in Day 2 (at some times more than other) and was about to be lynched when the deadline came. Forcing DS to explain the reads fully may be viable as:
1. If DS is Town we can evaluate the reads and decide whether the reads are based on enough evidence;
2. If DS is scum forcing him to give evidence will add a lot of pressure (I know I was scum and came under a lot of pressure, particularly by Mhsmith, for this).

Again, I will analyse in more depth given more time.

Currently DS is a very weak scumread.

PEdit:

So far, from what I have analysed, my top scumread is Vedith (who retained my weak scumread due to the horrible vote on me).
I may vote DS as well (a very weak scumread).
I will mostly vote anyone if absolutely necessary (apart from possibly Wisdom, a very weak Townread, and Gale, a nullread but one on which I have read up and analysed). If necessary to vote Gale, I will do a bit more analysis to sort whether he is nullTown or nullscum before voting.

For now,

VOTE: Vedith

Why did you make a whole wallpost case against DS, but then vote Vedith simply for his vote on you?

Is it because vedith is the bigger wagon?

Thinking on it I would also be down for a WQ wagon

I also don't feel good about WQ, but I also don't know if a real wagon could form there in the two days we have left.

Basically, it's dumb of us to let it get this close to DL, but that's on everyone. I would be apt to look at WQ harder tomorrow.

and while GWS gets more blah, part of me just wants to hop back on BTD6 so someone else votes him and we get the L-1 claim already and then I can decide from there while there is still time...graaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!

okay, yep

UNVOTE: Vedith
VOTE: BTD6_Maker

So you are just voting him for the claim...

Meanwhile, a lot of people scumread me for wanting Wisdom to claim when he was already at L-1... Oh joyous day...

Something that Gale is actually correct about is the sheer amount of DS's posts that are just whining and playing the victim instead of contributing anything.

Also, Dreal outlined a lot of reasoning on that besides the claim, so....

So I've thought about it and I think I like the Vedith lynch most. I don't like how he was attacking a townread, and the BTD vote was

BTD is towning up in his last few posts, I quite like them except for the part I pointed out earlier, and I can accept the "VI rather than scum" argument. Though I'd still be happy to lynch him.

Gale read is stale, not very confident on it anymore, but still acceptable.

VOTE: Vedith

Please read the below:

This is a really interesting perspective on Eager, and I'm glad we know he's been active/good before. That being said, I agree with you that his lynch does next to nothing for us right now.

BTD on the other hand is different in my eyes; A) he's had a lot of interactions now with people / people have given a real stance on it. B) His flip can help sort Vedith; reason being, I can certainly see scum starting up that awful Texcat counter wagon to save BTD, but only if BTD is scum. If he's town, I feel better about Vedith, because why would you start that shit if there's a perfectly good mislynch hot and steaming, ready for you?

[Aeronaut]

And no, Vedith's jump doesn't change that.

[Aeronaut]

Ugh

VOTE: wisdom

One scum for another, it's better than these two wagons

Tell me why Wisdom is scum for you besides ATE, because that's a shit argument to be on your vanity wagon.

I am pretty confident in btd town, all everyone said was "look ay his iso" which was... town...

Point out all of BTD's posts that look especially townie to you.

I've already put my evidence up for wisdomscum, and already put up a game where he plays like this he keeps saying I know he uses ate as town when he never has, the closest thing to it ever being used was the game I posted. There is no way hes town here, if he was his push on me would be aloy harder

The game you cited is Open 503, a game that took place more than 3 years ago, and also one where there is almost no trace of Wisdom taking advantage of ATE in the game.

What posts did you see in that game that at all resemble his posting in this one? And why do you think one meta game from 2013 is enough to mean much in the first place?

[Aeronaut]

@Aero I don't deny that a lot of my posts are fluff. But that's because I didn't find anything to reply to and almost any time I check the game I feel compelled to post.

Why post if you're not going to contribute in the first place?

[Aeronaut]

@Vaxkiller: I think those are the list of players willing to vote for Wisdom.

Ohhh, I'm completely willing to vote for Widom, but my fear is I move off of Vedith and it disbands, and we don't get enough to lynch Wisdom, so BTD gets lynched.

Why do you think BTD is a bad lynch?

Willing to lynch wisdom

gross.

why are you guys voting Wisdom now that he has 0 votes? Bad!

I also feel like you could be doing more to solve the game. What happened to taking over the town?

also lol at attempts to wagon me

at least it's disrupting the awful BTD and Vedith wagons

Why are those awful wagons?

also lol at attempts to wagon me

at least it's disrupting the awful BTD and Vedith wagons

well im gonna lynch 1 of those 3 wagons so good luck with that

Then put your vote where your mouth is and vote Wisdom, because BTD and eager lynch is not happening.

It really seems like it is

[Aeronaut]

@Aero I don't deny that a lot of my posts are fluff. But that's because I didn't find anything to reply to and almost any time I check the game I feel compelled to post.

Why post if you're not going to contribute in the first place?

I plead the fifth.

Boo that's what guilty people say booooo

[Aeronaut]

Why are those awful wagons?

because they're town
especially vedith

I strongly disagree

[Aeronaut]

Sorry WQ, but I'm not for a Wisdom lynch right now. He's a solid null.

Join me on Eager or Gale. Both of them are super scum.

I will entertain the idea later, but not tonight.

Well, with the people who are willing, we can at least get a claim out of it. That suits me well.

VOTE: Wisdom

Dat progression though

[Aeronaut]

I mean idk, pre-flip associations are usually inaccurate. Wisdom is town. If he's not, I'll eat my hat.

Either way, DS is full of shit

[Aeronaut]

Mostly the shitty texcat push.

Why are you being town and him being town correlated

[Aeronaut]

Do you still think DS is town?

[Aeronaut]

to be clear ABR are you actually just PL voting Wisdom

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: WQ

Yep

[Aeronaut]

Actually idk yet but I'm drunk aero and drunk aero wants to lynch WQ

[Aeronaut]

Way to fucking go team. Lynch Wisdom, then Vedith if you want to fucking win.

We are so fucked because you guys are ignoring Wisdom and Vediths scum shit and lynching innocent townies.

Scum will be pissed that Wisdom wasn't lynched imo. Most people know he gets harder to lynch as the game goes on.
Town Wisdom is scum biggest threat right now.

Scum Vedith trying to spin my anger at town over a lynched townie into something else.

Town apathy is going to be why we might lose this game.

These four reaction posts at the end of the day erased my townread on Vax almost immediately.

Seriously though, Gale and WQ are scum.

Will read this later.

Good to note this.

Day

2

Begins

!

DiamondSentinel (aka Ivan Ban),

Ttyll Defenders Civilian

, was shot Night 1!

BulletNLynchproof (aka TT-YL12),

Ttyll Defenders Mason Factional Encryptor

, was shot Night 1!

So this more than likely confirms a Vig, because scum killing DS makes almost sense.

I think that BulletNLynchProof is a sensible kill from scum since he was pretty townie, pretty smart.

Lots of interesting things, also those were both strange kills.

The mason daytalk enabler means we have a mason group as well (which is nice but them not having daytalk anymore limits their utility).

I received a anonymous message last night with a list of people telling me that at least one of the people on the list was scum. I'm undecided on weather I'll share it at the moment or not, if nobody can think of a reason to keep it secret I'll probably share it.

I see no reason to keep that secret.

[Aeronaut]

Wait how am I scum again?

BNL was voting for Me, Eager Snake, White Queens and Vedith out of those alive. I am thinking its a double/triple benefit red herring kill.

Well, of course you would, because it implicates you and your buddy.

I think this post does a really a really good job of outlining where we should probably vote within though, being WQ, Vedith, Eager and Gale. Maybe not Vedith. I don't know, there. Either way, we should have lynched one of those people yesterday and I blame myself for being shit.

Why couldn't it be possible that scums shot BNL (lets assume DS is a town shot for now), to make us concentrate on BNL's D1 scum suspects? I mean it is obvious we will try to go after these folks right? (same is the case if we assume the other way around)

Also if White Queens is scum, then her killing players who are aggressively going after her lynch would make more sense no (Wisdom)? Lets be honest here, I don't think we are going to lynch Wisdom on the basis of anything that has happened so far, as they are all pretty null against him.

I don't understand how you

possibly

have one reasoning for why the BNLP kill makes you town and the opposite reasoning for why it makes WQ town. Like... You're saying that the people BNL was obviously pushing

can't

be scum because that's too obvious, but then in the next p you're talking about how if WQ were scum she would have shot wisdom?

Gale/WQ/Eagersnake
2016

[ Make Forced Reasoning Great Again ]

[Aeronaut]

Does anyone know who killed who?

Back Monday/Tuesday, so will read by then, or then.

I keep forgetting that PerV is in this game, and that scares me.

Aero and Mir are the only 2 I've got as solid town atm.

Why's Mir scum to you?

I checked more into Gamma during night phase (thanks for the extension), and it resulted in me thinking he's probably town. I still want WQ to sign their posts and am more than happy to force them. If they refuse, I'll be glad to lynch them on principle.

VOTE: WhiteQueens

Also, it's finals week, everything under the sun is due tonight, with a couple of things due Monday/Wednesday; I will be busy.

BOO jumping onto your buddy for shitty bullshit reasons.

It's like EagerSnake is in RVS still

[Aeronaut]

Aero and Mir are the only 2 I've got as solid town atm.

Why's Mir

scum

town

to you?

[Aeronaut]

RLv2.0

Spoiler: Key

Conftown - {CT}

Town - {T}

LeanTown - {LT}

NullTown - {NT}

Null - {N}

NullScum - {NS}

LeanScum - {LS}

Scum - {S}

ConfScum - {CS}

{CT} BulletNLynchProof/ThinkBig+ [T: 624, 1016, 1137, 1342]
{CT} DiamondSentinel [NS: 106][S: 406*, 739, 1129*, 1168*][T: 613][N: 1245*]
{CT} BTD6_Maker [S: 151, 290*, 503, 570*][T: 584*]

{T} Mirhawk [T: 479, 112, 1125]
{T} drealmerz7 - [T: 42, 43, 108, 1178, 1266, 1316][S: 456, 448]

{LT} Wisdom [T: 121*, 128, 163, 502, 771, 1789][S: 300-307, 409v341*, 432*]
{LT} Frankjaeger [T: 254, 746]

{NT} texcat [T: 397, 403][S: 1446]
{NT} PeregrineV [T: 970]

{NS} Vaxkiller [T: 431][S: 1743, 1749]
{NS} Albert B. Rampage [S: Claim, S: Lurk]
{NS} Vedith [NS:107][S: CTC*, 925v950]

{LS} Gale Wing Srock [S:862*, 959, LWV*, H*, 1836*][T: 1295/1296, 1298][NI: 1836*]
{LS} White Queens (RachMarie + Ms Marangal). [LS: 253][S: WCL*, I*]
{LS} Gamma Emerald/copper223 [S: 112*, 1370, I*][T: 673]

{S} eagerSnake [S: 662, 1119, I*, 1883]

Spoiler: *****

112* (Throwing Shade at Wisdom, Sounds Forced)
121* (Feels the same thing I do about Copper)
151 (scum looking busy post)
290* (Just jumping right onto that wagon, huh?)
406* (I feel like wanting a L-1/Claim like four pages into this game is really early, especially considering the fact that a lot of people hadn't posted much)
409v341* (in 341, WQ has "scum claimed" according to him, but then in 409 he's not sure now.)
432* (Discrediting Vax's post instead of really responding to it. Van also saw the same thing I did, points to him.)
570* (Again says nothing at all. Just states facts about who is posting)
584* (I do sort of agree with this)
CTC* (Contrived Texcat Case)
862* (Jumping on an awful case)
1129* (Having a group of players who could either be dumb or scum is super hedgy and noncommittal.)
1168* (Mirhawk's point on DS's Reads list; why do you need a certain amount of each thing?)
LWV* (Lurking when Voted; Gale suddenly disappears when people start voting him. Hmm...)
WCL* (Weird Choice Lurking; I feel like WQ is barely participating / participating on just certain topics.)

1245* (Unexplained Mirhawk read. Could be significant later)

H* (Gales Hammer is awful. )
I* (Three people giving intent... also awful.)

1836* (Gale being weird about WQ)

1836* (Having opposite reasonings for why him and WQ are town)



PG 7 - Neighborhood/scum talk is WIFOM imo
PG 11 - The Wisdom wagon looks kind of scum motivated to me.
PG 12/13 - Wisdom's case on DS is bad to nonexistent, though.
P15 - Wisdom major ATE at like four votes. It was on a particularly stressful tuesday, though
P20-22 are giving me actual migrains.

Spoiler: Changes since V1.3 (Post 1232)

BulletNLynchProof

FrankJaeger
Drealmerz

^

PeregrineV
Eagersnake

BTD6_Maker

DiamondSentinal

Gale Wing Srock

[Aeronaut]

So I reread the game during the night and found that Vedith wasn't as scummy to me anymore.

His line of posts from 1586 to 1616, where he reasons with Wisdom and tires to prove that Wisdom is wrong wrt his WQ read. Where he also brings out the truth from Wisdom that Wisdom thinks WQ is scum regardless of BTD6 flip.

And his post about their sister hood 1061 (which was agreed to be accurate by the hoodies) makes me think that he may not actually be scum.

Why couldn't it be possible that scums shot BNL (lets assume DS is a town shot for now), to make us concentrate on BNL's D1 scum suspects? I mean it is obvious we will try to go after these folks right? (same is the case if we assume the other way around)

Also if White Queens is scum, then her killing players who are aggressively going after her lynch would make more sense no (Wisdom)? Lets be honest here, I don't think we are going to lynch Wisdom on the basis of anything that has happened so far, as they are all pretty null against him.

I think you misunderstood the point that I was making.

Strategy 1: Scums shooting BNL to make us concentrate on BNL's scum suspects is a rational strategy. However, if we assume that to be the case then:

BNL was voting for Me, Eager Snake, White Queens and Vedith out of those alive.

The above fact implies that these folks are not scum, because the scums wouldn't kill someone whose scum suspects are themselves.

---

Strategy 2: If WQ is scum, then instead of shooting BNL, she might have shot Wisdom who was aggressively going after her and was not lynched on Day 1 (and probably won't be lynched)

So that kind of proves that if WQ is scum, then the kill is not based on Strategy 1.

Ok; so which of these two possibilities do you think is true?

@Aero: I'm not a fan that you keep holding something my predecessor did against me like that.

.... why not? Your predecessor got the same role PM that you did, correct? If copper was scummy in one of his posts, that doesn't automatically disappear when you show up. You're the same slot.

Also; you're treating it as if I've made multiple posts about Copper's 1 shitty post and using it as a reason to push you; In actuality, you had to be looking pretty hard at yourself in my reasons* list for you to start complaining about it.

I'm home again, and have had a skim through.

Someone alive could have sent the message, couldn't they?

7. T$12: Weak Communication Link: (1-Shot) Send a small (999 characters max), anonymous message to a player of your choice (via the moderator).

I found myself nodding and agreeing with most of Aero's reads again.

Will post more after another read through, later tonight.

This post seems sort of out of place to me in context; maybe just out of place, but one of many recent Texcat posts that are sort of cherrypicked opinions that are just often enough, you know?

Also, why did you feel the need to say you agree with most of my reads? Your not voting, but you agree with my reads, why wouldn't you be voting with me?

[Aeronaut]

in fact,

VOTE: Texcat

I want to see where this takes us.

[Aeronaut]

]
Ugh. First of all let me announce my disappointment that everyone is being lead by scum team around here. I _LOVED_ Wisdom/Vediths setup for myself for another day at the end of the day. Fantastic! Well fucking played Wisdom! Maybe one day we can be scum buddies together, you are quite good.

I actually haven't seen a more forced post in my life.

Can someone answer me a setup question here? Do we have 2 scum teams of 2, or 1 scum team of (?) and someone vigged DS. (Or an SK) I'm terrible at figuring out setups and I would really like to know this information. Also is it possible that the scum have an additional power role (1 shot vig, roleblock, investigative?)

I think it's fairly reasonable to assume vig because DS was a pretty big lynch candidate. And a lot of noise to have around.

The scum could have kept DS around for day 2/3 lynch bait, so it seems unlikely that they killed him. If someone 1 shot vigged him just come outta the closet unless you have more shots. If you have more shots vig Wisdom/Vedith.

Asking for this information is awful

[Aeronaut]

You know what I can get on board with lynching Wis. His stated reasons for voting me are bullshit.
VOTE: Wisdom

VOTE: Gamma

we're not lynching gale and we're not lynching WQ

Vote Gamma or vote eagerSnake

Why not Gale? What has he done that's been more townie to you?

Aero- consistently towny. I dont think tex is the best vote today though.
Drealm-i feel even more strongly about this read
ABR- im fairly certain this is town

This is some top notch reasoning for your town reads. E.g. Aero is town because he's been townie
Like... why do you think ABR is town for you? What has he done to solve the game?

Wisdom- several empty votes. has NO towny posts. the votes really worry me.

still

getting in the way of anything cooperative.
Vedith-nothings changed
Eager-Im surprised only wisdom is leaning on him. bussing? I think the lurking is horrible when tied with the basic posts he pops in with.

It's not like you've ever really pushed eager but you keep saying people are bussing him>
Also, saying "Oh, Wisdom is scum because he's made no towny posts" is lazy and baseless. It's like you're saying Salt is Salt because it's not pepper

Vax is still towny.

What makes him townie to you?

[Aeronaut]

Mind telling me what you think the setup is? Because I'm in the dark. Also I was hoping to learn what the setup was before I posted this, but it needs said now as to avoid lynching with bad info:

Mirahawk, I lied to you in planet chat, I do NOT have an investigative ability. I was hoping to bait the kill if you were scum then send death message with the info. As it stands at the beginning of today, I still can't 100% clear you because I was hoping to get some setup thoughts on the game (could there be a roleblocker?) Because if there was a roleblocker, it would make sense to keep me alive and blocked and try lynching someone else.

Oh wow. Ok, I really don't see scum doing this. Does anyone else?

VOTE: Vedith

I don't trust this guy. AT ALL. He's in my PT and has been saying all the wrong things. He's scum for sure.

Boooo

I'm a watcher. He visited Gamma yesterday using an investigative.

Oh fuck

[Aeronaut]

Aero- consistently towny. I dont think tex is the best vote today though.
Drealm-i feel even more strongly about this read
ABR- im fairly certain this is town

This is some top notch reasoning for your town reads. E.g. Aero is town because he's been townie
Like... why do you think ABR is town for you? What has he done to solve the game?

the abr read was a strong hunch based on night action. His claim basically confirms my hunch

Sorry aero i dont see anything scummy about you

Wisdom- several empty votes. has NO towny posts. the votes really worry me.

still

getting in the way of anything cooperative.
Vedith-nothings changed
Eager-Im surprised only wisdom is leaning on him. bussing? I think the lurking is horrible when tied with the basic posts he pops in with.

It's not like you've ever really pushed eager but you keep saying people are bussing him>

what can I do wheb he isnt answering ANY of my questions.

Also, saying "Oh, Wisdom is scum because he's made no towny posts" is lazy and baseless. It's like you're saying Salt is Salt because it's not pepper.

Your right but salt goes well with my other juicy reads. Im actually surprised I recently got a straight answer from him. His voting pattern is very bad as well.

Vax is still towny.

What makes him townie to you?

im thinking his caution is genuine. He is obv deeply considering the game in almost every post.

Didn't you make this post before he claimed any sort of Night Action though? re: Abr

[Aeronaut]

I'm a watcher/voyeur. Deal with it.

This strikes me as probably bullshit, but I've also witnessed ABR make multiple bullshit gambit claims as town. See: NY180

Vedith has been extremely scummy in my PT. He didn't even entertain an Aero protection. He's most likely scum with Aero. WQ has been awful.

Can you take me through what exactly Ved said in the PT?

The list of players itself is;

Aeronaut
Wisdom

BulletNLynchproof

Gamma Emerald
Gale Wing Srock
PeregrineV

DiamondSentinel

Vaxkiller

Saving this for later

[Aeronaut]

If Aeronaut was town he'd be killed last night lol

Why?

You saying that makes that point useless

Gamma/EagerSnake/Frank

Vax, Albert and drealz are candidates for the fourth

Town: {dreal, Vedith, Aeronaut, Albert, Mirhawk, Vax}
Nulltown: {texcat, Gale}
Null: {Peregrine}
Nullscum: {eagerSnake, White Queens, Frank, Gamma}

however eagerSnake is not scum with Gamma if Albert's info is accurate

How did you go from having dreal as your possible fourth scum candidate to having him in your top town pile that quickly?

[Aeronaut]

Aero- consistently towny. I dont think tex is the best vote today though.
Drealm-i feel even more strongly about this read
ABR- im fairly certain this is town

This is some top notch reasoning for your town reads. E.g. Aero is town because he's been townie
Like... why do you think ABR is town for you? What has he done to solve the game?

the abr read was a strong hunch based on night action. His claim basically confirms my hunch

Sorry aero i dont see anything scummy about you

Wisdom- several empty votes. has NO towny posts. the votes really worry me.

still

getting in the way of anything cooperative.
Vedith-nothings changed
Eager-Im surprised only wisdom is leaning on him. bussing? I think the lurking is horrible when tied with the basic posts he pops in with.

It's not like you've ever really pushed eager but you keep saying people are bussing him>

what can I do wheb he isnt answering ANY of my questions.

Also, saying "Oh, Wisdom is scum because he's made no towny posts" is lazy and baseless. It's like you're saying Salt is Salt because it's not pepper.

Your right but salt goes well with my other juicy reads. Im actually surprised I recently got a straight answer from him. His voting pattern is very bad as well.

Vax is still towny.

What makes him townie to you?

im thinking his caution is genuine. He is obv deeply considering the game in almost every post.

Didn't you make this post before he claimed any sort of Night Action though? re: Abr

Yes

So... then that makes no sense

[Aeronaut]

Why not Gale? What has he done that's been more townie to you?

He felt town in his exchange with gamma

Eh. I thought he looked less scummy compared to gamma but not really town.

AERO AND VEDITH ARE SCUM

gr8

[Aeronaut]

RLv2.1

Spoiler: Key

Conftown - {CT}

Town - {T}

LeanTown - {LT}

NullTown - {NT}

Null - {N}

NullScum - {NS}

LeanScum - {LS}

Scum - {S}

ConfScum - {CS}

Spoiler: dead

{CT} BulletNLynchProof/ThinkBig+

[Factional Encryptor][Mason]

[T: 624, 1016, 1137, 1342]
{CT} DiamondSentinel

[VT]

[NS: 106][S: 406*, 739, 1129*, 1168*][T: 613][N: 1245*]
{CT} BTD6_Maker

[VT]

[S: 151, 290*, 503, 570*][T: 584*]

{T} drealmerz7 - [T: 42, 43, 108, 1178, 1266, 1316, 1961][S: 456, 448]
{T} Wisdom [T: 121*, 128, 163, 502, 771, 1789][S: 300-307, 409v341*, 432*, R*]
{T} Mirhawk [T: 479, 112, 1125]

{NT} Frankjaeger [T: 254, 746][S: 1956]
{NT} PeregrineV [T: 970]

{N} texcat [T: 397, 403][S: 1446, 1930*]
{N} Vaxkiller [T: 431, 2022][S: 1743, 1749]
{N} Albert B. Rampage [S: Lurk*]

[CLAIM: WATCHER/VOYUER]

{NS} Vedith [NS:107][S: CTC*, 925v950]

{LS} Gale Wing Srock [S:862*, 959, LWV*, H*, 1836*][T: 1295/1296, 1298][NI: 1836*]
{LS} White Queens (RachMarie + Ms Marangal). [LS: 253][S: WCL*, I*]
{LS} eagerSnake [S: 662, 1119, I*, 1883][T: W*]

{S} Gamma Emerald/copper223 [S: 112*, 1370, I* 1950, 1938][T: 673]

Spoiler: *****

112* (Throwing Shade at Wisdom, Sounds Forced)
121* (Feels the same thing I do about Copper)
151 (scum looking busy post)
290* (Just jumping right onto that wagon, huh?)
406* (I feel like wanting a L-1/Claim like four pages into this game is really early, especially considering the fact that a lot of people hadn't posted much)
409v341* (in 341, WQ has "scum claimed" according to him, but then in 409 he's not sure now.)
432* (Discrediting Vax's post instead of really responding to it. Van also saw the same thing I did, points to him.)
570* (Again says nothing at all. Just states facts about who is posting)
584* (I do sort of agree with this)
CTC* (Contrived Texcat Case)
862* (Jumping on an awful case)
1129* (Having a group of players who could either be dumb or scum is super hedgy and noncommittal.)
1168* (Mirhawk's point on DS's Reads list; why do you need a certain amount of each thing?)
LWV* (Lurking when Voted; Gale suddenly disappears when people start voting him. Hmm...)
WCL* (Weird Choice Lurking; I feel like WQ is barely participating / participating on just certain topics.)

1245* (Unexplained Mirhawk read. Could be significant later)

H* (Gales Hammer is awful. )
I* (Three people giving intent... also awful.)

- DAY 2 -

1836* (Gale being weird about WQ)

1836* (Depending on Gale/Tex flip, Gale>Texcat interaction is weird)

1836* (Having opposite reasonings for why him and WQ are town)
1930* (Another weirdly timed selective post by texcat. Also, buddying?)
R* (Wisdoms reaction to having thought he was Inno'd is exceptionally town unless he's some sort of Godfather)
Lurk* (ABR is known to hardcore lurk as scum, and that's sort of what's happening here.)
W* ABR claims that he watched frank, and that he's an investigative.

PG 7 - Neighborhood/scum talk is WIFOM imo
PG 11 - The Wisdom wagon looks kind of scum motivated to me.
PG 12/13 - Wisdom's case on DS is bad to nonexistent, though.
P15 - Wisdom major ATE at like four votes. It was on a particularly stressful tuesday, though
P20-22 are giving me actual migrains.

Spoiler: Changes since V2.0 (Post 1911)

Wisdom

^

Vaxkiller

^

ABR

^

Eagersnake

^

Frankjaeger

v

Texcat

v

Gamma Emerald

v

[Aeronaut]

What do you think of my attempts to PoE the scumteam

what attempts?

[Aeronaut]

what are you talking about?

[Aeronaut]

He literally hasn't posted today

[Aeronaut]

I checked more into Gamma during night phase (thanks for the extension), and it resulted in me thinking he's probably town. I still want WQ to sign their posts and am more than happy to force them. If they refuse, I'll be glad to lynch them on principle.

VOTE: WhiteQueens

Also, it's finals week, everything under the sun is due tonight, with a couple of things due Monday/Wednesday; I will be busy.

Read this post Aero.
ABR claims it was an investigative soft

Oh fuck, I'm wrong. That's from today.

Idk wis has a point, but idk that does look like he's clearing you.

[Aeronaut]

UNVOTE:

Consider my vote on WQ.
I want to hear about what they were talking about before anything happens

[Aeronaut]

i don't know how much I trust ABR's claim because again, he's the type of guy to just claim bullshit because he thinks he's so good that he it's going to help, but that does look like a clear from ES.

p-edit: How do we know it's tracker?

[Aeronaut]

did ABR not say "E.S. visited Gamma with an investigative"

[Aeronaut]

that can be anything right

[Aeronaut]

oh.

[Aeronaut]

Well then that means nothing Gamma, sorry

[Aeronaut]

I mean what it kind of means is that Gamma probably didn't visit anyone N1. Which is useless in this way, but useful in others.

Would be fascinated to hear Eager's point of view

[Aeronaut]

Mir, what's your strongest scumread right now?

[Aeronaut]

Prod received

Will post probably tonight / tomorrow

[Aeronaut]

Hi people

I have a lot of reading to do

[Aeronaut]

for one ABR i'm a guy

and i'm not really posting anywhere onsite because I'm right in the middle of the finals-crazy.

[Aeronaut]

and ABR you posted like twice on day 1 so f off with that

[Aeronaut]

why would you say that out loud instead of hinting it

[Aeronaut]

Oh.

Wow i need to read.

[Aeronaut]

What's the case for frank v gale

[Aeronaut]

I think white queens should eat rope

[Aeronaut]

did they?

[Aeronaut]

Why do people think Gale is scum? Is it the same reasons that I thought he was scum yesterday?

[Aeronaut]

finals, my dudes.

It's a great wagon when your only basis is ABR saying "Aero is scum".

[Aeronaut]

Aero was my top town read yesterday

Me too. I guarantee you if I was scum he would be dead last night I can also assure you that 90% of scum players in this game would have also killed him. His play + the scum's decision means he's scum.

this is god-awful reasoning from a usually great town player.

VOTE: ABR

[Aeronaut]

If anyone can point to anything townish ABR has done this entire game, I'll change my vote.

[Aeronaut]

Or are you saying Aero, that you think ABR is scum and not town? because both mara and I are reading him as town ABR.

Why is that?

[Aeronaut]

voting him for that is just as awful

he's always like that

No he's not. From what i've seen from him, he's played really good town games and really awful scum games

[Aeronaut]

He's also an actual presence in the games I've played with him. In Cyberpunk, we were scum together and he did the same kind of silly reasoning cases that he's done most of the game here.

[Aeronaut]

@Wisdom if you think my posts are underwhelming, then how do you not look at ABR's and think that?

p-edit are you joking

[Aeronaut]

Every post of his is just one liners this entire game. I didn't even remember he was in this game until day two being honest

[Aeronaut]

so what lol, my posts are oneliners too

Not really

your posts have a logical progression.

[Aeronaut]

see my reads list from yesterday for why you're town and ABR isn't

[Aeronaut]

I understand my D2 play has been garbage but if I had time to be a part of this game during finals I would.

[Aeronaut]

wisdom, ABR, GE, Vax = scumteam?

nah. Just ABR, maybe GE.

I'm torn on Vax, but I'm still pretty sure he's town .

[Aeronaut]

aero you feel like you have time right now. can i have some reads that are less awful than your ABR read?

I really don't have a lot of time right now, I'm phone posting in the train. I might be able to read more of day 2 tonight, but please tell me what posts you think are ABR-town because otherwise my case is pretty good

[Aeronaut]

At least, it's just as good as ABR's case of "Aero is scum, vote him.", and that aero wagon is p good

[Aeronaut]

you dont have a case

and ABR is obvtown

What's your ABR obvtown case

[Aeronaut]

Wisdom I understand your schtick is to not give a shit and give no reasons for anything, but stop being wisdom for a second

p-edit there we have it

[Aeronaut]

Cool. So if anyone else has a reason why any of ABR's posts are town, lmk

[Aeronaut]

Because Wisdom doesn't know how to come up with one, so

[Aeronaut]

wow good thing you already were voting me


p-edit no

[Aeronaut]

Wisdom is useless, but he's also town

[Aeronaut]

Vote ABR.

[Aeronaut]

Why is frank scum to you? I have him as town

[Aeronaut]

Abr's entire case is "he's too town to be town"

that's like a newbie scum case at best.

[Aeronaut]

Abr's entire case is "he's too town to be town"

that's like a newbie scum case at best.

no it isnt

your play today is shit, that's his case

it is shit. yes. I know. It's on purpose. I'm on a phone.

[Aeronaut]

You're getting lynched.

I'm really not.

I'll be back again after Tuesday when I'm done with finals.

[Aeronaut]

Abr's entire case is "he's too town to be town"

that's like a newbie scum case at best.

no it isnt

your play today is shit, that's his case

it is shit. yes. I know. It's on purpose. I'm on a phone.

good, don't misrep cases.

your play is shit, you have no right to scumread people for pushing you.

That's not why he's pushing me, though.

[Aeronaut]

why cant he just be busy?

If he was busy he would play it differently. I know how but I'm not going to say because it's a tell I can use in the future.

[Aeronaut]

Aero was my top town read yesterday

Me too. I guarantee you if I was scum he would be dead last night I can also assure you that 90% of scum players in this game would have also killed him. His play + the scum's decision means he's scum.

this is the argument i'm talking about

[Aeronaut]

Abr's entire case is "he's too town to be town"

that's like a newbie scum case at best.

It's obvious you're scum because you can easily fake a couple posts but in the long run, your posts become intellectually lazier, your instincts are off-base because your knowledge of who is the real scum, and you make posts that you would never make as town. You're getting lynched.

Also you've never played a game with me where I was town. please gtfo with this bullshit

[Aeronaut]

Aero is so scum lol do I have to fake a guilty here come on people listen to me.

ABR tell me what you think of Gale.

[Aeronaut]

alright, i guess you're right and i was in that game for D1 and i was dead.

You can't claim to know may town game after one game, just like I can't.

[Aeronaut]

Oh no I'm wrong. I was in that game for awhile.


You're still sitting around acting like you know every part of my game which is just bull

[Aeronaut]

UNVOTE:

But not that I'm looking at my game, Wis could be right. While you were more of a presence, you were always this shit at the game.

[Aeronaut]

UNVOTE: Wisdom
VOTE: Aeronaut

you were killed N5

Oh no I'm wrong. I was in that game for awhile.


You're still sitting around acting like you know every part of my game which is just bull

[Aeronaut]

Eh, I gotta get off the train. I don't care, I'm done defending myself, I'm not getting lynched today anyway.

ABR, what do you think of gale

[Aeronaut]

Can somebody put together all the claims we've had so far

[Aeronaut]

UNVOTE: Wisdom
VOTE: Aeronaut

you were killed N5

Oh no I'm wrong. I was in that game for awhile.


You're still sitting around acting like you know every part of my game which is just bull

why did you say you were only in it a Day?

Because I thought it was the AngryPidgeon game i played at the same time, and was wrong. And corrected myself.

[Aeronaut]

Gale is town

Why

[Aeronaut]

Gale is town

Why

His quickhammer fits the narrative for wanting to end the day early and shooting. He is town or SK not scum and Mirhawk and Wisdom have established this.

Alright. Who besides me is scum?

[Aeronaut]

I guess it makes sense not to be SK hunting this early.

[Aeronaut]

Possibly Drealz. I've been seeing him as town, but recent things might make me believe that my reasonings there might not be accurate. I can't mention anything right now though for reasons.

I had issues with Ved before because I thought he was trying to derail the lynch yesterday with that awful Tex wagon. But now that the flip was town, I don't see him derailing that as scum.

[Aeronaut]

Makes no sense to try to shift suspicion on aero onto peregrine. You are a strong suspect for scumbuddy of Aero.

Why are you anti-frank wagon

[Aeronaut]

Go finish your finals while I finish lynching you

answer my questions you doofus

[Aeronaut]

also people who think i'm generally not a lurk sack are seriously incorrect because i'm the worst

[Aeronaut]

Ok, I've got a few hours.

First off, what claims have been made? I know Gale and ABR have claimed stuff, has anyone else?

[Aeronaut]

I already have the mod's fake claim so idk what ur talking about

[Aeronaut]

I think gale should live 1 more day and Frank is our best lynch today

Can we lynch this?
I'll be the lynch tomorrow if wrong.

Do you disagree with a frank lynch?

[Aeronaut]

Wisdom/anyone for the frank lynch, why are you for a frank lynch? I had him as town.

[Aeronaut]

i'll read his d2 stuff rn though.

[Aeronaut]

Actually fuck it I really just should read all of D2

[Aeronaut]

Oh my god that's 50 pages

[Aeronaut]

ugh

[Aeronaut]

I couldn't and should have replaced out. Finals kicked my ass and then I was too far behind to do anything meaningful.

[Aeronaut]

If i had kept up what I was doing D1 it would have maybe worked out but eh.

fricken ABR

[Aeronaut]

It's all good Gale. You can look back at my games and at least five would be worse than you played in this one; don't worry about it!