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"it's me, Chara" is a direct quote from the game, and i prefer to be called Chara or Not Chara rather than an acronym like NC. does that answer? ;>
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if it's as obvious a problem as it looks, then i see it too.
and thank you for the warm welcome! i've actually been following this game for a bit, so i have a relative grasp on the mechanics. i am a noble, and DiamondSentinel is town, though wrong about the utility of claiming flavour. it's a bad idea. if that's been established since i last read, my apologies.-
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i'll attempt to give a summary of important reads once i catch up/as i do.
i'll chime in, sure, but i'd like to see Rational's answer first.
yes, i'm voteless. i can confirm that if you'd like.
as for counting as a living player... according to Frozen, i don't. for the purposes of the votecount. i think i can be lynched, but i can't confirm. you could try voting me?
it's a passive ability, but claiming it further would just reveal my flavour. i can regain my vote somehow according to my role PM, but it would likely require the use of a Geass power on me.
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Cerb, let's put aside the obvious joke about random's read Leon for the moment. there's no inconsistency there.
how did you come to the conclusion random needs to die? just the wagon disappating (as they tend to do when they're built on nothing substantial), and that he called for you and klingon? the second is certainly a point, but one that could come from scum random.
i suppose what i'm asking is: what tipped the scales from 'i'm scumreading random' to 'he just needs to die at some point'. you say it matter of factly, but where does that conclusion come from?-
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pfft. thank you, but she's voting me to check if i can be voted.
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Cerb: i'm afraid i can't follow your logic here. well, i can, but your conclusion is the same as someone with a null read concluding that null read must be removed, because they were wagoned at one point. it's a bit ridiculous. from what i can gather, the reason random was wagoned was because of this 'contradiction', and anyone pushing it as such is simply wrong. so his mislynch is as 'inveitable' as any other mislynch based on bad logic.
i just don't see the town motivation in concluding that random needs death, as opposed to simply letting the matter rest and coming back to it as the game develops. you don't have compelling reasons to call him either alignment, and saying he'd just be mislynched if town is remarkably premature in my opinion.-
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i suppose the additional explanation about random helps.
i don't know how to explain that it's a clear joke, and i don't fault the players who voted him before that was made apparent. sometimes one's first readthrough of a situation is incorrect. sometimes players have a different humour, or have difficult with tone over text? it's not odd, but considering the alternative is that random is a terrible, terrible scum player who enjoys contradicting himself in the span of 15 minutes to scumread someone he was just townreading, i'd say that the only conclusion is it was a joke.
but i'm satisfied with how you came to your conclusions about random, though i still don't agree.
aside: are you asking me to give you something better to callme? is five letters too many?
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sure, why not? anyone who wants to pledge loyalty, pledge loyalty.In post 1518, DarkInnocence wrote:There's a dif between not playing and just trying to under the mech of this game that doesn't seem that important
I was all set until this cupid shit showed uyp for WHAT REASON??????
Can I be loyal to not chara I wanna be loyal to not chara they seem to make sense
CHARA WOULD THAT BE OKAY
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your posting is giving off the vibes of confident scum with a mislynch target they can talk circles around. Maria's 'fixation' on you is not contrived, she's explained it.In post 1608, culted wrote:And was it both sides or just mine or what do you exactly mean by interaction?
Was it the speed of the replies? Was it how we responded?
Explicit detail if you don't mind.
next item on my list is attempting to figure out if you're the type of player who would always ping me, or just scum.
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your second question explains the first. it can't be a contrived read if you weren't a scumread. it was done for reactions, as she said. sure, it doesn't make it better, but i question your calling it a fixation. again, it feels as if you're ignoring the town reasons for doing it, and going for mechanical scumtells. 'this looks bad, therefore this player is scum' is entry-level play.In post 1611, culted wrote:
How could voting someone because nobody is scumreading them not be a contrived read?In post 1610, Not Chara wrote:your posting is giving off the vibes of confident scum with a mislynch target they can talk circles around. Maria's 'fixation' on you is not contrived, she's explained it.
And the most they've explained is that I'm not a scumread. That doesn't make it better.
you gave quesses at to why i might've disliked your interaction, i wanted to know why you were giving guesses instead of just asking for my answer.In post 1612, culted wrote:
I don't understand this question.In post 1610, Not Chara wrote:why did you give me examples when you've asked for detail?
I want to know what about the 'interaction' made you hate it. It takes two to tango -- you only dislike one dancer -- you hate the dance.
Doesn't make a lot of sense.
Who do you think is scum?
secondly, yes my wording makes sense, don't get semantic by bringing in unnecessary metaphors. i dislikedyoursteps with Maria, her dance was fine. i didn't like your posting directed toward Maria and towards the thread during your conversation with Maria. better?
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take that as a sign that lynching for information isn't useful. if its a townread, don't lynch.In post 1719, DiamondSentinel wrote:Also, I'm at a logical impasse. I really want to lynch Vecan for information, but I also have him as a fairly strong townread here. My third highest townread.
Very weird.
what info are you looking for?
and why do you think i'm 3p? i'm a treestump without outside help.-
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i don't think Diamond is scum. i haven't seen any cause to remove my townread there.
Painbringer is giving me some pause.
pedit: how is Kain incompetent? his posting style is.. like that, but he's been playing seriously besides from what i've read.-
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is this fire or Titus?In post 1806, Painbringer wrote:Kain Tepes, troll is troll.-
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i'm not a fan of Gamma's posting. i thought they could be town for that strange voting-Klingon contradiction, but the way they responded to talks and accusations regarding it was scummy.
Diamond is more of gut read. i don't see a need for scum to start theorizing about 3p while making other content (it never looks that good, and is null behaviour at best). plus, i'm a non-threatening 3p if that, so there's little reason for scum to be concerned about me
besides that i was just townreading him earlier due to the way he's explained his thoughts and been consistent on how he came to them.
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no end of internet problems.
v/lafor a couple of days.
Drone can be scum. there's a third option after shitposting and not posting. that would be scumhunting. you've asked Kain to speak up (he's been providing content) but right now you have nothing?-
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i don't care enough. and it doesn't matter when you're the topic of conversation. did all these ISO reads come about because i called you on it, or did you just feel like it?In post 1905, Drone wrote:You still have to show that "content" from Kain Tepes.-
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are you planning on actually analyzing anything in your ISO look? or just summarizing events?
pedit: if you could snip the posturing out of your posts and get to the meat of them, that would be ideal. but then i wonder if there would be any content left at all?-
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i think saying i don't care enough is the same as saying i'm lazy.In post 1913, Drone wrote:You know?
You could say you're just lazy or just made shit up, since Kain is nothing more but a mess for the eye.
Now I've heard somewhere here that he gains magical scumhunting skills as the game progresses.
Pretty much the reason why I'm not voting him.
you're severely over-exaggerating how difficult it is to read Kain's posting. because it isn't.-
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i think that's the second time you've defended yourself by saying another player is doing the same thing. shall we make it a round 3? ;>In post 1917, Drone wrote:
Could pretty much say the same about you.In post 1914, Not Chara wrote:are you planning on actually analyzing anything in your ISO look? or just summarizing events?
pedit: if you could snip the posturing out of your posts and get to the meat of them, that would be ideal. but then i wonder if there would be any content left at all?
Don't really see how I should be listening to the advices of a person who "doesn't care enough".
i'd think you wouldn't be listening to me regardless of how much i care, considering you'd like to pretend i don't matter to you because i happen to be voteless.
there's a conspicuous disconnect between the thought that i don't matter, and that you'd like to continue our conversation. and i don't think it's because you're being nice. i think you just can't stand to let negative comments about you lie.-
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Kain's posting is either so bad that i must be lying about him providing content, or i don't care about the game.In post 1918, Drone wrote:
It's subjective.In post 1916, Not Chara wrote:
i think saying i don't care enough is the same as saying i'm lazy.In post 1913, Drone wrote:You know?
You could say you're just lazy or just made shit up, since Kain is nothing more but a mess for the eye.
Now I've heard somewhere here that he gains magical scumhunting skills as the game progresses.
Pretty much the reason why I'm not voting him.
you're severely over-exaggerating how difficult it is to read Kain's posting. because it isn't.
I openly say I can't stand his posting.
i say this isn't true.
now it's a 'subjective' opinion. alright. am i still lying?-
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which friend is Diamond defending?
and i'm not even sure how to respond to the second thing. you managed to miss the whole point of the conversation. that's the best point in your favour.
pedit: hahaha. how do you manage not to have a read on me? i don't even get the sense you're attempting to find one. instead you say you don't want to give your points if i don't give mine, which makes so little sense it's funny. again it's a towny, illogical thing to do, but that isn't enough to invalidate my other feelings on your alignment.-
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but i have to go, so let's cut this short. i'm on my phone, i don't want to quote KainTepes to prove he's been providing content when that's a side note on this conversation, and i'm not even sure on Kain's alignment myself.-
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i've been getting the same thought, unfortunately. Drone's words don't make sense as scum.In post 1954, Vecna wrote:This wagon feels bad man. Rb is lurking. Have you ever seeb rb lurking? Hes trying to dodge pressure.
Scum: keyrb, DS, some lurmer scumlords, maybe titus for luls SvS shit.
and the vote posts on him have been rather token, looking back. one-liner explanations.
has more to do with Drone than rb. key's a fine vote.-
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last line is scum.In post 1978, keyXrb wrote:
Vecna can you explain why you've somehow gone from astute and thoughtful town player as town to being a snarky little shit with a reason that doesn't involve you rolling scum in this game?In post 1966, Vecna wrote:^ scum partners
because i wanna believe you're town but you're making it very hard
imaginary vote on key. i'd say both Drone and Diamond are town. no meaningful read on CD as of yet, i'll get on that.-
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i keep forgetting you won't make a decision like that without Drixx's input. so the question would be to both of you.In post 2071, Not Chara wrote:are you a noble, Cerb? i'll pledge to you.
and you can pledge to me too. mutual benefit. ;>-
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Diamond: you were of the opinion Drone was digging his own grave when speaking with me. i had the same opinion until i realized that his closing remarks were more likely stubborn, annoyed town, than dumb scum. what do you think?-
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i suppose because people have been asking publicly. if it can be figured out by thorough reading, who has pledged to who, secret pledges don't really help in hiding info from scum.
is that a yes or no on whether you'd consider pledging loyalty to me? i'd recommend it.
and hold on a minute. i'm going to check who has exchanged hats. want to know if who's left, if at all.-
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i forgot that Diamond had already said this about Drone, so my question is pointless.In post 1928, DiamondSentinel wrote:Unless Drone is really flaily as scum, unfortunately, I really doubt that this wagon is going to flip scum. Call it a hunch. However, my vote stays because this is to scummy to ignore. Either way, you should probably change your play, Drone. You're either flailing as scum or you are way too scummy town.
i still think Diamond is town, but i have to oppose this behaviour wholeheartedly. don't policy vote someone you think is town.-
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and this response illustrates nicely why i didn't like Painbringer's offer to cross-pledge with you, considering how Titus feels about your slot.In post 2080, Reasonably Rational wrote:I'm not pledging to anyone without actually reading the game and deciding they're town.
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if you decide to pledge to me, feel free to do so privately. i'll know if you did or not when you've finished your catchup, i imagine.-
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no, but i am so utterlyIn post 2082, Painbringer wrote:NC, you think I am town?awfulat reading both of your heads that you're null for me instead of scum. willing to work with you, not confident you're town, is the best way i'd put it.
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why are you willing to pledge loyalty to Rational, in that case? and if you weren't, why bring it up?
and i don't disagree with the concept but... if Rational is town, surely they'll play more when they have time and more information to work with. i don't think pressing them on the matter will change things much, except possibly trick you into thinking they're only putting in effort because you're on them for it, not because they're town. i'm not saying you'd think like this, it just came into my mind as a potential problem. bottom line, Rational doesn't strike me as the type of fruit you need to crack open for alignment-indicative information to come out.
how about loyalty to me instead? you don't need to answer that question with a post. Rational's comment made me realize there's something to be said for secret loyalties. so if you're townreading me, it's in your best interests to pledge, is all i'll say.-
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that reminds me i had this to post. it's just a collection.
In post 1072, Frozen Angel wrote:Pink Hats! : davesaz, Reasonably Rational, Aristophanes, Not Chara, DiamondSentinel, keyXrb, DarkInnocence, Painbringer, Klingoncelt, KainTepes, Vecna, randomidget
Blue Hats! : BTD6_maker, malpascp, Crystalline Dagger, McMenno, Leonshade, ssbm_Kyouko, Drone, cultedpairings:
Leonshade/Aristophanes
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blue hats: BTD, mal, Drone
pink hats: davesaz, Rational, DIamond, DarkInnocence, Klingoncelt, random-
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i can do you one better than a pinky swear, provided you pledge your undying loyalty. ;>In post 2091, Vecna wrote:NC, can you do like a pinky swear thing that youre town this game? I dont have the scum feelings from you that your hydra was obviously showing in death note so we might make some magic happen here.
though you could also just look at Watch Dogs, where i was scum without the added changes to my play that came from being in a hydra with Almost50.-
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this plan would likely be ruined by the fact that you've asked only players with weak roles to pledge to you. so if someone had an IC confirmation ability... well, you know your role, not me, but by what you've said earlier i don't think asking others to pledge with you in this manner would work?In post 2094, Reasonably Rational wrote:Oh, hey, I just had a thought.
If there's anybody who can IC or otherwise confirm themselves as town to people they pledge to/whoever pledges to them, pledge to me and I'll pledge back and we can be secret friends!
Or not. Maybe that's a bad idea. I mean, I know it'll be good for me cuz I'll have someone I'll know is town to trust without exposing them to the rest of the people in the game who could be scum. Might be a bad idea overall? *shrug*
Think about it, if any roles exist that function this way.
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also, i realized that pledges are only confirmed to go through at the end of the day, so one can't learn if they were pledged to until the day is out.-
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at least you have a vote. i'd give up my own meager powers for a spot on the votecount.In post 2095, Vecna wrote:All this talk about peoples pledging resulting in cool effects has me quite jealous. This silly pandora box stuff has pretty much made my already meager powers near obsolete.-
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In post 2077, Reasonably Rational wrote:Oh right, I forgot about the whole randoms potentially scum when CD flips as scum thing.
NC, only pledge to me if your role is weak! Also....pledges can be done privately, right? Why are people doing it publicly?
-CerbwhenCD flips as scum? you scumreading them?-
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that's unfortunate, because keyXrb is my best guess for scum right now, and where my vote would be. Crystalline Dagger is difficult for me to read, and i've tried. i won't cry if they end up being lynched, but it's not an idea i'm a fan of.In post 2099, Vecna wrote:I can act as your voice. Who would you like me to vote? My vote is currently wasting away since noone is interested anymore in lynching rb.
i'll get back to you on alternatives, but i believe Diamond is town.-
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so this is where i'm at currently.
scum: Painbringer, keyXrb, Leonshade [i hate this because they look so, so good as a team, so it can't be real], culted
town: Vecna, Rational, Diamond, KainTepes, Drone, Kyouko, davesaz, Klingon
eh: Crystalline Dagger, mal, BTD, Aristophanes, McMenno, DarkInnocence, random
i'd be happy to discuss any of these. and we can discuss null reads so i can actually get a read there. someone help me read Dagger, Gamma's posting is the type to just make me dislike it by its mere presence.
Diamond is this player i disagree with completely oneverymechanical level, but i think is town. it's sort of amazing.
Painbringer is one where i'm scumreading both heads, yet Firebringer in particular is not a player i'd consider myself good at reading.
i'm more confident in my townreads than scumreads, but that's par for the course. process of elimination is fun. unhappy with the amount of nulls, since there has to be scum in them.-
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Cerb, in response to you post about pledging: pledge to me. unfortunately, i can't pledge to you first.
Vecna: kyouko townread is based on his early-game spec posts. like thinking Leon had stolen Alpaca's vote. his posting in general has simply been looking town to me. i can point to 1692 as one i liked. you scumreading him?
davesaz is one of my weakest townreads. and looking at him again, i dislike how he calls Dagger out for bad logic, then votes them and says the reason is "pretty much all gut". so maybe null there, not a confident townread.-
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well i don't like the Dagger wagon, and i think Diamond is town. wagon Leon instead?In post 2106, Painbringer wrote:You are right on culted and Leon.
Cd, ds, culted, random, Leon. Rr, TP/town. Rest town.-
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i scumread you independently, where did you get the sense of anything different.In post 2150, Leonshade wrote:Why are you basing your wagon based on the scumreads of another one of your scumreads?-
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key is mod-confirmed town to you?In post 2155, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Just going to sheep key for now since I know he's town, though I'd also be down to lynch RR/DI simply on the basis that they have declared they won't be swapping hats with anyone. Going 1 for 1 with scum is a good trade and getting a PT to find out if your lover is scum is also very pro-town. Doesn't make sense to me that a townie would not want to swap hats with anyone at all, especially a noble that you TR and could pledge to.
VOTE: DiamondSentinel
what exactly is alignment indicative about a difference of theory opinion, in Rational's case? obviously they don't agree about it being protown, and lying about how one feels about mafia theory as scum simply to avoid a PT that has just as much use for town as it does for scum... it doesn't make sense as a point to scumread them.-
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no, i asked players to vote you because you're my best scumread after key, who was failing to be wagoned. since Painbringer is saying they're scumreading you too, i asked them to vote you. it's not rocket science.-
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oh, and Cerb: regarding what you've been talking about, pledge to me today. i can pinky swear you won't regret it.
pedit: alright. about Gamma's threat... do you find threats scummy? have you played with Gamma before? he's exactly the type to threaten/warn as town, and possibly scum too. and 48 hours is enough to move the wagon, i don't see why a player would fullclaim when they might not even be lynched. it doesn't make them more likely to be scum at all.-
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Not Chara Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
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that isn't true. andagainthe point is you and Rational disagree on theory. that doesn't make them scum in any world, it means you disagree on theory. if scum Rational believed becoming lovers with town benefited town more than scum, you'd better believe they'd want to ally with town. i'd say your thinking on this is too simple.