Hunger Games II [GAME OVER]

Pine · Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:14 am

Soft counterclaim to throw uncertainty in the mix and confuse Town.

But hey, I can only see what I'm observing.

I endorse massclaim and am willing to go first. The only reason I wanted to hold back on massclaim D4 was to conceal a possible protective role, which is pretty plainly not in evidence.

Pine · Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:18 am

If FL is Town, Blawb is scum. Everything else still works.

But she isn't.

Pine · Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:19 am

In post 3316, Pine wrote:If FL is Town, Blawb is scum. Everything else still works.

But she isn't.

Alright hold on, I'm going to give that some actual thought, and not be flippant.

PEdit: Hahahahaha. In the alternate universe where you are Town, why the fuck would anyone kill you?

Pine · Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:23 am

In post 3319, curiouskarmadog wrote:
In post 3316, Pine wrote:If FL is Town, Blawb is scum. Everything else still works.

But she isn't.
Scum bag, for being so experienced your logic is failing you.

BulbaScum is not hammering town for a win why?

Well, he can't anymore. Shh for ten minutes, I'm trying to answer your question.

Pine · Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:29 am

Okay, giving serious thought to the Blawb/FL inversion.

Froot Loop - [4] Blawb, curiouskarmadog, Camn, Pine
Blawb - [2] BulbaFenix, Froot Loop,

Assuming Blawb scum and FL Town, then the Blawb claim is scum-driven. The only vote out of all the votes listed that was kneejerk and not considered was BulbaFenix's. I'm inclined to say that the scum plan over night was to use the Cop given by Hermie to set up the dichotomy of FL/BLawb, playing to people's pre-existing suspicions. There's merit to that. However, to avoid a scumhammer, you'd need the whole three-man team in {Blawb, curiouskarmadog, Camn, Pine}. That just doesn't compute. Okay, let's assume that BF was voteparking until L-1, and didn't move fast enough. That still assumes two in {Blawb, curiouskarmadog, Camn, Pine}. That brings me back to {Blawb, CKD}.

Yeah, it doesn't change anything.

PEdit: Why not? If I'm the scumteam, I don't put all my eggs in one basket. Not in LYLO, not until L-1 can be managed.

Pine · Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:43 am

Dude, I agree with you. I don't think FL is Town. Nor do I think you are Town. However, you requested serious consideration that I was wrong, and I gave it. That's some pretty serious strawman chainsawing.

Pine · Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:54 am

I actually thought you were addressing me. How the hell am I squirming?

Pine · Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:27 am

You and I were having a back and forth. I read it too quickly. Why would I respond to it if I didn't think it was to me?

Pine · Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:36 pm

Camn, please revote FL. I will gladly help you lynch CKD tomorrow.

Pine · Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:50 pm

No we shouldn't. If we're wrong about Blawb, nothing else matters.

Pine · Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:25 pm

Hmmm, I'd need to reread it.

Pine · Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:35 pm

Okay, I skimmed the whole gambit, and Froot's reaction to it. There are two things to note. First of all, she waited until near the end of the gambit cycle to do anything, until most people had already shot their load in regard to it. Then she cuts in and echoes my call for people to reject the premise of the gambit.

So yeah, that's scum theater. This is further supported by the fact that you called her out for it, but haven't made any kind of serious move on her until today, after a guilty forces your hand.

PEdit: No.

Pine · Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:30 am

This thread is pissing me off. A guilty result necessitates a 1v1, and Froot has been given loads of opportunity to demonstrate Towniness. I'm not confbiased, Froot. Confbiased would have looked like not giving you a chance to full claim and declare targets and such.

Claim don't make no sense.

Pine · Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:44 pm

Camn, why is lynching CKD today better than Froot?

Pine · Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:53 pm

What thoughts are there to have? It's entirely speculative.

Petit: CKD unvoted. He initially voted because his buddy's lynch looked inevitable, but he's taking the opportunity to stall. I think it's L-2

Pine · Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:57 pm

It would actually be a solid strategy, but I don't think that's what's happening.

Phoneposting. Will make a longer catch-up when I get home. Blizzard.

Pine · Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:53 pm

Scum PT can be released. As for game length...wait til you see how much we posted in the scum PT. Each and every surviving scum player posted more there than in the main thread. We had diddly in the way of power, but daytalk led to the most coordinated team I've ever been on. Good game.

Pine · Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:56 pm

Oh! Again in reply to the comment about length, we killed the spam posters on purpose. When scum get drowned out, they can't influence or manipulate.

Pine · Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:26 pm

I kind of felt the setup was Townsided, and we just dodged the odds.

Pine · Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:09 pm

In post 3583, Bulbazak wrote:Day chat was a big boon in this case. I'm not sure if the scum team would have been as effective without it.

Oh hell yeah, but that's more of a measure of use than utility. Day chat is very much a "your mileage may vary" kind of thing, and we used the absolute ever-loving shite out of it.

Pine · Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:37 pm

Not counting Creature, none of us ever fell under heavy suspicion or accrued more than 2-3 votes.

*high five*

Pine · Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:34 pm

Honestly, a lot of you had good reads. It was less about pushing mislynches and more about keeping people from forming coalitions we didn't want. There was certainly enough suspicion of BF and I to manage a lynch, especially the last two days. The trick wasn't addressing those suspicions directly, but in getting Town working at cross purposes.

We were crazy paranoid about endgame surprises. That's why we were tactical bussing in LYLO and not scumhammering.

Pine · Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:45 am

Maybe? Depends who they tracked.

Pine · Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:53 am

In post 3596, Zachstralkita wrote:I guess you could say we really... underachieved that game

I heartily endorse this pun.

To your credit, I targeted you in part because I felt you were a threat.

Pine · Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:10 pm

I really don't like beating up on Town when I scumwin. They didn't suck, they were deceived and manipulated. Mith knows I've been there...we all have. Being Town with a competent and coordinated scumteam is HARD.

Tldr: More praise for me, less bitching about Town

Pine · Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:59 pm

In post 3614, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I seriously think day chat is scums most powerful weapon no lie.

It -really- depends on the team. Lots of scumteams don't use it properly.

Pine · Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:59 pm

Oh! I forgot to post this to main thread. It was my Last Will.

I love the Last Will mechanic, btw. It's a shame the Town basically didn't use it.

Pine · Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:14 pm

Aww, shucks

Pine · Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:08 pm

So I'm watching

Catching Fire

right now, and President Snow is fucking SAVAGE. He is way more awful than I ever remember. It is a tribute to Donald Sutherland's performance that after a while I actually found myself doing that sneer/snarl thing that the animal hindbrain does to react to a threat when he came on screen. Good villains make good heroes.