Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Yuri]

I forgot when were suppose to build pr's and stuff tbh

it happens during the day, resolves at day end

also something i forgot to mention that i wanted to that kyouko brought up way back when

its worth it to not submit bc you can get increased priority. if you submit and fail to get the PR you dont get the priority boost, so if every town submits today then the scum all get increased priority the next day as an example

i remember that creature didnt understand that so i wanted to make it clear

[Yuri]

The town block is fucking flawless minus Caesar. The wrong reads are obviously townie wrong reads, like the A and N. I know it's unpopular but I SR them but I'm not going to be a dick and hold up the game approach. SSM is ok as a scumread. I don't have a read there yet because I read people by talking to them. It's like all townie.

why is it difficult for scum to townread a bunch of town

pedit: ABR dont say that as if youre echoing me

[Yuri]

town pariah yesterday and everyones rushing to make sure theyre townreading me today lmao @ this game

[Yuri]

hey im taking a break from 6 pages per minute. gonna get mac and cheese and come back does anyone want anything

pedit lmao nahdia <3

[Yuri]

Yuri talk to me about Beeboy
-Nebby

kill it and stop asking questions u should know the answer too

[Yuri]

who tf is whiteknighting caesar
are you gonna say ABR cause ill scream i swear i will

[Yuri]

yes im screaming bc thats not what whiteknighting is

[Yuri]

Didn't say I was town reading him.

dude tf

if he's null say null, dont say 'i dont want him lynched today and that should tell you everything' bc it so does not

[Yuri]

btw any player who is still on my wagon but has posted today isnt scum
that might just be nero and uzi tho

[Yuri]

VOTE: Albert B Rampage

Gee turns out you were right, a Beeboy voter that unvoted again.

Shocker

wait who unvoted

[Yuri]

k ill be REALLY HONEST in that i just dont understand the ABR case. he's always abrasive and i've literally genuinely scumread him as scum before. the only town he's attacking is titus, he didnt lynch me or push the lynch towards me when he had the chance, and he's pushing my scumread. like ur not getting me to vote fuckin ABR rn

[Yuri]

ABR should be objecting to Caesar's pushing as scum because it's his style of posting and his scum strategy and he isn't.

he quoted a bunch of flavour from towngames

[Yuri]

Actually.
Jesus fucking crist.
What the fuck am I doing...
This town went fucking crazy and nuts and not focused on Yuri once ABR started doing things...
Timing is kinda conveniant actually.
-Nebby

BINGO

FLASHWAGON ALBERT B SCUMLORD

this only works if im scum dude i thought you wanted me to 'change my read on you for the win'

[Yuri]

cmon beeboy is a good wagon

sondam beeboy's wagon has no where near the total agreement mine did, i get ur concerns but i dont think the situations are the same at all

pedit: vecna wtf who are u

[Yuri]

u mean die is cast

dye is only ever for coloured dye

[Yuri]

Hey im back
Max dont vanity vote come weigh in on this shitfest will u

Nebby you even said my recent posting looked more towny to you, why tf are you talking about it being ABR that derailed. ur scum
Pedit and yeah vecna is scum too

[Yuri]

Titus whats the problem with pushing ABR after a beeboy townflip exactly
who cares about 'giving scum what they want' like a scum lynch is worth a town mislynch every damn time

obvs i dont believe the above scenario will happen tho

[Yuri]

Vecna was legitmately planting paranoia in the town I missed it.
Fucking wow.
-Nebby

whats your read on me right now

[Yuri]

VOTE: Vecna
can also be on beeboy but this wagon is great

[Yuri]

Ok Titus that's fair

Pedit which is a gambit

[Yuri]

Yuri, it's not a "vanity vote" if other people help lynch him.
And I think plenty of others are willing to - in fact creature quoted them earlier.
I haven't read a lot of this but 9/10 times I see a creature post it suggests he ain't town.
And creature tends to be an easy town-read

I dont find Creature easy to read at all but i remember players saying creature is easy to read and also that's he's obvtown. whats with the split?
he does feel town here. like, really weird and i get why youre scumreading it bc his tone is really strange to me, but i dont see a scum agenda i see him trying shit to find scum. just weird shit. its difficult to explain but i dont want to lynch him

[Yuri]

Just notice Yuri didn't bring back anyone any mac and cheese.

actually i have some here i made did u want me to mail it
the envelope might be a bit gross tho idk how well cheese will deal w international post

[Yuri]

No but this is too many posts like really. Talking 2 you too DEO

Nebby's vote onto Caesar then unvote was actually awful

[Yuri]

No but this is too many posts like really. Talking 2 you too DEO

Nebby's vote onto Caesar then unvote was actually awful

I'm actually TRYING to reduce the amount of posts I have. You try coordinating town with one hand constantly undoing what you do and TRing all your scumreads and refusing to stop posting while you get in sync.

I'm real tired of your hydra. I like you both, but this is ridiculous. You both need to promise to stop posting for a bit, none of this 'i said i was gonna leave but i have to say THIS THING IMMEDIATELY'. It's not productive it's not helpful. if something u disagree with happens make a note of it and don't post. Unless someone is about to get quicklynched, you have time to say your piece later. BOTH of you have gotta stop posting while you talk. Youve been here nonstop

[Yuri]

Nebby you voted with Frog on Caesar, why? You called him coasting scum
then later you reverse, i didnt like it, feels like youre just going with what other people say and maybe u feel like explaining instead of saying im confbiasing

[Yuri]

Titus stop blaming Math for everything its really fuckin aggravating
i dont CARE if their reads are the shittiest reads to ever curse this earth (this isnt my opinion its just an example idc), theyre not wrecking this game by having them. the problem isnt reads its you two are your mountains of posts and arguing and i hate it. you both KNOW there is a problem and if you wont replace out then stop posting. and titus i will NOT believe you that math will keep posting if you stop, until i see it happen.

[Yuri]

Im not suggesting you replace out i am literally begging both of you to shut up and stop adding to your pile of posts while you talk to each other. for like 24 hours at least

[Yuri]

LOL
yeah nat thought i was voting beeboy but im still voting vecna

[Yuri]

i do wonder what the actual count is rn tho

Pedit spiff i will probs hammer but u gotta admit accidental premature lynches suck

[Yuri]

Not when they're on scum

YEAH BUT I WANNA ACTUALLY BE ON THE LYNCH WAGON
VOTE: beeboy

BOOM PROPER DEATH

[Yuri]

and math you MAY have had a scum wagon at one point but there were no multiple scum wagons since one of those wagons was on ME and we only had like what, three? max doesnt count

[Yuri]

Arts -- Denied who knows what in lynch powers
Sciences -- Ability to plan wonders
Natural -- Ability to grab old unbuilt wonder after mass claim that could help us break the game or if someone lied about picking one up.
Cultural -- Meh not seeing too much use in that.

Repeatedly voting none disregards what Town can do.
We win when we are positive and think we CAN do things.

~~Math

TBH i feel this
i trust nahdia as a mod to not making every resolution pro-scum. even cultural has a use. it's likely scum already has a good idea of what wonders town successfully built and which they have not, scum dont have a clue
you can see in the advertising shit for this game that nahdia wanted a setup where town wasn't in the dark the whole game. that's what this resolution mechanic is
VOTE: Cultural
ill vote either but im not settling on none again i was dumb for doing that to get to lynching faster

[Yuri]

Frogger wasnt the only nightkill option. A rly likely one but not the only one. still its possible scum took the doctor but i personally find it really unlikely

ABR ill vote Natural too if i must but i find Cultural has a very good use. like i said scum already has a great roadmap to what town took. town is the one who benefits more from this in the long run

[Yuri]

Like i really wanna underline that. Scum know what wonders they successfully picked, and what wonders town is gonna want (essentially, anything that isnt shit). the info theyd get is negligible to what we would. the reason scum learns that info first is bc they can do less with it. And again nahdia wouldnt make a bunch of pro-scum wonders in the first two days

Pedit ABR thats what happened the first day and im unhappy w that decision

[Yuri]

You all see 'scum learn this first' and immediately assume its a scum-sided power and it just isnt

[Yuri]

Scum can reread and deduce who took and built a Wonder.

They can do that anyway my point is scum already know most of this, cultural lets town in on the info too

Math i dont find Natural super useful when its unclear who took what power. the problem of wasting ur wonder build for the day on a dead power is already there

[Yuri]

idk, the last three votes should be looked at.

Creature this is just telling me u havent looked at the context of those votes at all

[Yuri]

Why make it easier for them to do it?

It makes something easy for scum a little easier, and something almost impossible for town actually possible

Pedit why can no one type Sondam

[Yuri]

idk, the last three votes should be looked at.

Creature this is just telling me u havent looked at the context of those votes at all

What's it supposed to be?

Besides my hammer were three other people also attempting to hammer, the only reason DEO for example wasnt the final vote was bc i was faster.
theres also that the hammer went so fast bc half the game had already settled into 'beeboy is dead' mode due to mistakenly thinking i had been on the wagon the whole time, and that beeboy was hammered. justlooking at the last three votes cause they were fast is looking at the whole situation in a vacuum

[Yuri]

tbh yes im not gonna get to lynched to prove spiff isnt fucking scum for actually reacting to my lynch
ALSO Jaereed is not scum unless ur scumreading us together but i doubt anyone will listen to that towncase either

Pedit hey when i flip can this stupid 'town cohesion' argument finally day because this lovely town cohesion everyone is bemoaning the lost of was a fucking consensus mislynch

[Yuri]

Literally no one is gonna listen to me on cultural huh
what do u think nahdia put something scumsided in the resolution choices to troll town or something
that its there at all should tell you its useful for town

[Yuri]

Hey Caesar can u give me a reason to fight against ur lynch bc i dont have one

[Yuri]

ABR if you have me as town jaereed hydra is town. the way they reacted to vecna calling us scumbuddies doesnt come from scum who knows im town

[Yuri]

oh damn i totally missed the resolution went through. oh well at least it wasnt None

VOTE: Vecna

[Yuri]

Hey ABR and Nero can u both talk about why im town for you
kyouko is actually someone ive considered, someone voting him want to talk about why

I also need to go so peace out for tonight

[Yuri]

Hey Nebby i missed why Nero was town 4 you

[Yuri]

confirmation bias can only come from town
it means being subconsciously biased towards information that feeds the worldview you already have

also how can Nero be a lost, lost soul if he's scum? even without the erroneous confbias def youre still treating him like he's wrong town

[Yuri]

I'm oppertunistic scum!

I also think she's telling the truth here.

No I think that's just your confbias and your mindless stuck in a tunnel talking tbh.

Nero Cain I agree with you that A&N's bit about ABR causing everyone strife and ruining everything or whatever, but why do you think that comes from scum instead of just bad town?

b/c its absolutely not true and manipulative as fuck.

So you're refusing to accept anything except things that prove your confbias.
You are a lost, lost, soul my poor child.

this isnt how you talk to a scumread

[Yuri]

They know it makes them hard to read and several players have asked them to post normally yet they refuse to stop.

this prob makes it more likely they are town. I mean, I guess he could go "so ppl are scum reading me, who cares!" b/c he's not a noob and wouldn't be scared off but in general I think a refusal to do something that's getting you scumread is townish.

i dunno, scum dont like to give in to pressure like that either, makes em look bad
id say the flavour is NAI

[Yuri]

@Nebby bc when scum is pushing me i dont tell them how lost and wrong they are bc theyre scum and they know theyre wrong

[Yuri]

VOTE: Akane and Nebby

[Yuri]

that you fucking lied about how you were treating ABR day 1.

wtf how was I lieing? Cuz that's not a lie.
He dreailed the Yuri wagon.
And ruined town synergy.
-Nebby

didnt you say you were coming around to townreading me
your thought processes dont make any sense if your reads are real
dont give me that realization 'oh shit yuri is scum w ABR bc her derailed yuri's wagon'

also town synergy is bullcrap. you think a single wagon is a healthy gamestate? you think one lynch wagon with the highest competitor at 3 votes is indicative that the game is going well?

[Yuri]

ABR is always manipulative. It's one of his more endearing traits.

This dude.
By the name of Yuri
Was at L-1 yesterday.
Then ABR came in.
And suddenly Yuri wasn't at L-1.
And there were fights and the town was sturred into chaos.
-Nebby

can i find those posts where people began townreading me for my posting right before what i thought was my lynch, followed by your following along and agreeing with them

[Yuri]

Like this whole ABR thing derailing my wagon doesnt make sense. his entrance to the thread happened to be at the same time i started posting for the day. correlation =/= causation

did Nero and ABR answer why they were townreading me tho

[Yuri]

Okay!
Hey Brain
I want you to ISO Pine/Ceasar and tell me your thoughts on them.
Take into consideration they were mostly catching up D1 and were mostly coasting.
-Nebby

do you want his actual thoughts or do you want to get new blood onto your wagon
bc it sure sounds like you dont want feedback you just want to get a vote there

[Yuri]

I don't wanna iso people in this large ass game. Also, Pine has 5 posts.

Five

. In a 200 page game. Why is he still alive?

Pine is the Caesar hydra isnt he

[Yuri]

I don't wanna iso people in this large ass game. Also, Pine has 5 posts.

Five

. In a 200 page game. Why is he still alive?

Exactly!
So we're killing him today!
-Nebby

LOL the misrep is so real and so good

[Yuri]

did Nero and ABR answer why they were townreading me tho

not yet. I was going to do it in a quote wall but IDK, I didn't much like Froggers case on you and you are voting scum with me so...

sure but u were townreading me yesterday. surely there was something else besides not liking frogger's case
i dont want a towncase for myself i want you to tell me why you thought i was town back when i was being wagoned

[Yuri]

hey Brian you replaced into a large w 200 pages, is there a reason u dont seem to care about making an effort. its not like this crept up on you
im not saying youd need to catch up on all this but im rly just getting the vibe u dont give much of a shit

[Yuri]

I

do

care. But let's be honest here. You guys post faster than I can read, so I'm just going with the flow and seeing if I can generate some good reads until I do inevitably catch up. To say I don't care is pretty unfair considering I haven't read this game yet (I didn't want to bother if I someone else replaced in instead) and am basically still in RVS stages while the rest of you are a full day ahead of me.

thats the vibe i was getting, just with the lack of reading the first post to see who Pine was, and sayin that u were happy to make a low effort vote
not reading isnt rly an issue, doubt id read this beast either

but this response is fine i dont rly have a problem with you

[Yuri]

Hey Kyouko ty for bringing up your vote. i take issue w it
Is that like, the only reason u had for voting beeboy? Cause its lame
'Don't think you're scum' usually DOES imply a townread and reading it that way isnt v weird, much less good enough as the only justification u had for being on the wagon

Whoops, that's me.
And, NOT an alt slip. Im not NC. Those who know me know this to be true

[Yuri]

P sure he just wants you vigged

[Yuri]

UNVOTE:

I don't even know why I'm voting here

Yeah why were u voting Sondam
Come vote Vecna Elbirn my dude

[Yuri]

Oh wait I was voting Akane & Nebby not Vecna
either is fine tbh
VOTE: Vecna

[Yuri]

And "don't think you're scum" is different than "think you're not scum". One says 'I am not taking the stance that you are scum', the other says 'My stance is that you are not scum (which leaves town and 3p).'

this is really pushin it, i dont care what ur personal read of that statement is bc reading it as a townread is completely freakin valid tbh i dont know why youre pretending your interpretation is the only possible one
like there were reasons to vote beeboy but i dont know why this one is yours

[Yuri]

Yeah, that was my only reason. It's also not lame in context of when I placed it

in 5852 when u were asked why u SRed beeboy you literally gave that one instance and nothing else so yeah
if you had other reasons lets see em

[Yuri]

could someone from the "ABR derailed the Yuri wagon" camp really explain to me what he did to derail it?

Show up and start throwing shit at Titus.
The more appropriate approach would have been to immediately force replace (and possibly ban) ABR for being abusive, but sadly the listmods did not act.

This doesnt sound like is has anything to do w me at all and everything to do with ABR and Titus

[Yuri]

pedit: thanks for interrupting me i was making a joke i instantly regretted upon hitting submit

[Yuri]

hey so re: notice townslip
nebby said pushing a scumslip that isnt a scumslip is a scumtell for him, i remember nebby had pushed a scumslip on notice earlier (this was before nebby said he was doing it for reactions and did not think notice was scum) so i was saying nebby uaing someyhing theyd just done as a scumtell was weird

legit nothing to do with notice, i remembered it bc i was/am still scumreading Nebby, so of fuckin course i remembered what theyd done earlier

and yes i posted aboht that very quickly.bc despite what vecna will have u believe the act of remembering something you were justreminded of doesnt takr that fucking long

now can we stop this game of telephone withthat whole interaction like omg, this is what happened

[Yuri]

and no i didny mistype anything, nebby was pushing it as a scumslip which i said was bunk. its also bunk as a townslip ita a fuckin instance of being terrible at reading and it happens and even if u think notice did it accidentally that still doesnt make ot a townslip bc
if they didnt notice the anti-town clause on the power as town they wouldnta noticed it as scum

so as fabricated townslips go its not even a townslip either way

notice is town bc of their other play and thats it gnight

[Yuri]

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko
if vecna is town i really hate how he's chosen to play this stunt

dave have u ever considered that maybe ABR wasnt lying about being busy and just happened to show up when i was at L-1. u really think he was lying in wait to save his scumbuddy and forgoing posting for that
why eouldny he come in before i was at l-1

[Yuri]

im very tired

like idk maybe nebby isnt scum. i thought his read change on me was to go with thw flow but at least it looks like he's thinking about new ideas as they occur and just kind of spitting them out, instead of defending readings by saying he's had them all game

which is also bunk bc the best way to make me less confident in someone is if theyre dont reevaluate their reads

i still think Uzi is town, that thing he pulled w trying for my main would just get him in deep shit if i did get frustrated enough to reveal it. dont see the point as scum at all

[Yuri]

yes i wanna wagon kyouko now
i really thought that post abt having a single reason to vote beeboy was a joke, thought they were sarcastically saying 'ofc i have more than that shitty reason'
but they did not and then voted me for a really obvious surface contradiction

its not town, like i obvs misunderstood
also im sure there was scum defending me during my wagon and kyouko feels like they fit the bill

i dont rly wanna lynch vecna anymore.

[Yuri]

Hello this is a prod dodge
A&N is town ive decided

[Yuri]

hey im here and i guess some crazy shit happened while i was gone cool
VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

[Yuri]

I could, but i really dont feel like it.

It couldve gone both ways, allthough the town-stuff outnumbered the scum-stuff mostly, especially the replace.

replace was nai imo spiff was just town

[Yuri]

hello hello, both alisae and kyouko comin in w the mocking responses to SRs how thrilling
jaereed just to confirm, u know my main? you said i had meta on u (which i can confirm). pls dont announce it just lemme know if thats what you meant by it

[Yuri]

I thought you were joking.... 21 players = 5 scum.

I agree. PV's alignment is unknown. I'm saying that if he thinks that we would go into a 5/6 LYLO tomorrow he'd have to know what PV's alignment was.

Nero whatre u talking about, that wasnt the intent of ur post u said creature slipped that there were five scum left, what does this have to do w pv
even in the post u quoted creature said "we have to lynch scum today or..."

[Yuri]

@Alisae I tred you bc gut and in a series of posts while tired and frustrated but tbh no i dont like ur play and am not comfortable TRing u

no killing Creature thanks im like 60% he's town

nancy why do u know max is town tho

[Yuri]

dave what's your point
Like, if ur honest ur town? is that it?

Pedit can u quote why he's town in ur ISO for me

[Yuri]

Here we go again.
VOTE: Creature
nancy weren't you SRing Kyouko?

Yeah that was before I did VCA.

Theres no dead scum you cant do VCA

[Yuri]

pedit you don't need dead scum, it just helps.

No no you really cant. scum flips make VCA without it you get nothing
it definitely shouldnt be convincing you out of a scum read that sucks and it makes it feel like the read isnt real
which is shit cause i was uber townreading spiff but w/e nancy

[Yuri]

same here id say theyre town

[Yuri]

which posts were the accidentally posted ones?

Pedit 'only motivation is alignment indicative' lmao naww VCA indicates motivation dude

[Yuri]

the existence of a VCA PT for nancy should lock her as town tbh, im just trying to figure out if its real

tbh i dont think scum trying to fake this townslip would have said they were already considering outing their real reads a few hours before. that and spiff was town, and idk nancy obvs does a lot of vca so who am i to say she cant combine it w her reads

[Yuri]

Yuri I am concerned about where all the D1 scumreads went.
Like not a single person put a vote on Yuri or asked about the switch to Beeboy after Beeboy flipped Town. Like people pressured for being counter wagon but no one seemed to re-evaluate the Yuri slot.
Same with Vecna.
All those scumreads disappeared.

tbh re: this im just
shit me too where the fuck
Alisae youre one of the people who dropped the scumread for idk so

this is a prod dodge lmao but im still invested just busy ok

[Yuri]

oh im getting wagoned again? huh good to kno.

well apparently kyouko got replaced but that slot is still scum. my keyboard keeps fucking up for whatever reason so im not in the mood for a grand ol post. Max town Vecna town.. who tf else is in this game. nancy town. oh and i dont like alisae but i know i wouldnt like u regardless of the colour of ur pm so imma put that to be for now

srsly fuck this keyboard man

actually who cares lets say alisae scum since apparently the scumread on me came back while i wasnt here so im guessing its alisae going along w public opinion as usual

[Yuri]

Math i aint been active its gonna take me a minute or two

Pedit oh is it srsly just alisae voting me
ok nvm ur fine then hun

im tring Max bc we agree on a shitton. vecna bc ive been like, reading his posts and stuff? i dont care how i felt before but none of the way he's handled himself is gr8 for a scum win. i dont remember why kyouko is scum rn but he was

[Yuri]

yeah ok Alisae is actually town im putting that on my srs reads list

Math is town too. im gonna poe this shit i dont have any good scumreads. kyouko is one from forever ago

[Yuri]

my thoughts are "time to ISO Leon bc i missed it" gimme 5

[Yuri]

how do u feel about it?
looks like town Leon to me. do u think the push is trash? frustration over brian being passed over cause drixx seems genuine enough

[Yuri]

I feel like Leon is treating Brian like he was treating me in Spyro.
We were both scum together and the whole game he was distancing himself from me but he was also keeping other oppertunities open.
Like I feel like Leon told Brian in their scum PT after Brian hammered ABR "Hey, you're going to get some heat on you and I'm probably going to have to bus you."

id vote Brian Skies w u but you wont see me voting Leon before then

[Yuri]

tbh i don't get what was useful abt the test, i was ready to bite nancys head off for it lmao, i thought she was serious

leon is still town tho, and not for that

i dont know sondam or maria as players who go inactive only to defend themselves later when theyre scum, so im calling it nai

[Yuri]

also same on scum Nero being active

im not gonna be able to properly find scum, time to poe.

Creature have you purposefully been playing different? i remember day 1 you kept talking about not outing your townreads, or something to that effect

[Yuri]

*gerry or maria w/e

Pedit Uzi why

[Yuri]

i think youre going to go crazy looking at associations where none of those players have flipped my dude

[Yuri]

im sorry guys i suck
im TRing the notice wagon somewhat but also TRing notice
nancy is my best TR rn ill sheep her
VOTE: Caesar

ill be back tonite

[Yuri]

unless creature is purposefully altering his meta here and sounding off as a result, i guess he could be scum. recent vibes aint good

[Yuri]

no not recent just vibes in general

[Yuri]

K Drixx is not town for attempting to play optimally early game, fucker's like sleeper scum dont give brian a pass just cause drixx didnt scumslip in his first few posts

[Yuri]

did u see RR in saga frontier

[Yuri]

Peregrine is town im not accepting anything else