Fire Emblem: Heroes of Mafia [Game Over]

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Brian Skies]

Votecount 1-3

Dunnstral (1): Vaxkiller
GuyInFreezer (1): Boonskiies
Not Chara (1): PeregrineV
Fr099er (3): GuyInFreezer, Gammagooey, Not Chara
Gammagooey(3): ThinkBig, Desperado, Vifam
Vifam(1): Superhans
Superhans (1): Fr099er
Desperado (1): Papa Zito

With 15 players alive, it will take 8 votes to lynch/no lynch.
Not Voting (3): Dunnstral, Malachite, Brian Skies

Deadline for Day One is: (expired on 2017-02-23 18:53:43)

VOTE: Dunnstral

I was going to vote Gif, but Dunn replacing Frie Assassin?

VOTE: Dunn

Dunnestral is at L-1 I believe.

There's actually no reason to lynch Dunn right now. At least give it a few days; he's barely even done anything this game.

Side note: UGH, I WANT TO HAMMER SO BADLY!!! I LOVE BEING THE HAMMER....

The VC was added in

after

Boonskiies made that comment. You can tell by the post edit time stamp.

I'm not against a Boonskiies lynch for policy reasons, but I don't really see a reason to vote him here.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Malachite

Nothing else interests me at this time.

[Brian Skies]

What for? Lurking?

For his nonsensical RVS vote. Game hasn't gone on long enough to accuse someone of lurking.

[Brian Skies]

Beat you to it Dunn.

[Brian Skies]

I play better when there's more information to analyze.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Super

[Brian Skies]

I'm still having trouble seeing it. I think wanting to avoid a quick, relatively information-less lynch is a common concern for most townies. Although it can just as easily be faked by scum, I liked his kneejerk vote in response to Super subtly egging him on to hammer the vote. If there was anything that pointed me towards a scum-Boon, it would be this post where he takes a strange double position on the wagon. But even then, it just looks like a bait to me.

[Brian Skies]

What do you think about Super's vote on Vax for being overly defensive?

[Brian Skies]

I'm well aware of how Boon plays as I've been avoiding him since his first Newbie game on this site.

[Brian Skies]

I liked super's post egging boonskies on

it felt like he made it without giving a shit about what other people would think of him for doing it which is pretty damn good as far as early stuff goes

Or he made the joke knowing full well that it wouldn't have mattered if Boon joined the wagon, and he wouldn't get flak for it either way.

[Brian Skies]

Fro99er, stop encouraging him to flood the game with non-game related things.

[Brian Skies]

I hope Prince Lyon was prodded.

@Super: In what way? You're just using this discussion as an excuse to increase your post count and look busy.

[Brian Skies]

I hope Prince Lyon was prodded.

@Super: In what way? You're just using this discussion as an excuse to increase your post count and look busy.

do we have a vig

It will probably be replaced before it becomes an issue. Unless of course you're talking about Super, in which case, you could just vote him.

[Brian Skies]

Oh, nevermind, he's getting replaced. o.o

[Brian Skies]

It sure feels like I replaced somebody. :/ God I feel dumb.

[Brian Skies]

PV, do none of these wagons interest you? Or are you just gonna sit on your Mala vote? Your entire iso is full of jokes with no content and now you're just sitting on a slot that may not even continue to exist in this game.

[Brian Skies]

I just realized, that's why I said I feel dumb.

M'kay.

[Brian Skies]

I'm offended. Why is my tunnel dumb?

[Brian Skies]

Also, why is Super not on this list?

[Brian Skies]

I have you in the "useless" category.

I feel like you have a skewed perception of me based on me getting to replace 30+ pages into a game and finding scum relatively quickly. Even then, I still had to fight tooth and nail to get the lynch I wanted. I've never been good at' pushing a game forward' or 'generating content', whatever either of those are supposed to mean. If this game is lacking, it sure as hell isn't a byproduct of anything I've been (or haven't been) doing.

Why do you think he should be on the list? Because I don't. Not sure how I read him yet, though. Probably don't care, I can't see myself voting there over other people

Because I don't like his vote on Gamma and a lot of his posts just look like empty filler. At a glance, I guess I can see why you'd think he's trying to solve the game, but to each his own I guess. I don't know why you'd call out half the playerlist for not pushing the game forward or generating content, among other reasons, and then just handwave another player with 'I probably don't care,' especially when another player calls them out for probably needing to be on your list.

Thinkbig comes in and throws shade at me in 87. "Quick vote change" isn't really something scummy (especially since I just joined in), but Thinkbig is implying it is
I turn on him pretty hard, he then disappears, never to post again

No but really, having just played with him as scum where he lurked and avoided confrontation all game long, he's scum here.

Thinkbig is on V/LA. I agree that Thinkbig doesn't look very good right now, but I don't think his interactions with you are that bad. I also think it's likely he just ignored you than running away with his tail between his legs. If I would vote him, it would be because of his early vote on Gamma where he said Gamma jokingly creating his own counterwagon was scummy, which felt forced to me. Even then, it's not a strong read and I'm not really interested in the wagon. Your vote here just feels flat and like you're looking for an excuse to jump on his wagon since he voted you.

Sure, I can buy Papa Zito being scum. But you do realize that in the RVS stage, a lot of people make offhand comments and accuse people of being scummy without even meaning anything by it, right? Once again, I feel like you're just scumreading all the people who jumped on you when you replaced in.

comes after post 84 from him, but there's no comments on thinkbig, or papa zito (who he was talking to, and who he was given an unsatisfactory response by) - What I'm talking about here is, Vifam for some reason drops his question in 84 after papa zito's 86, even though that's a pretty half-baked answer, and he never prods further. Thinkbig stuff probably warranted a response, as well

Your Vifam read doesn't really mesh with me. Explain to me why Papa Zito's response to you in 86 was insufficient as a response to Vifam's 84 considering you kneejerk voted PZ. Considering the question he asked, what information do you feel like Vifam should have pushed for?

GuyinFreezer is pretty useless;

He just doesn't like to explain anything. Frustrating, I know.

GUT town Desperado and I don't care to look further there today; aka I'm not willing to lynch there over others

Rejected. You don't get to accuse half the playerlist of being useless, throw a bunch of mud around, and then avoid giving a read on a player with a half-assed gut read. Especially since you're not only whiteknighting Boon, but accusing Desp of tunneling Boon for nothing. If you can't explain it, point towards the posts that are pinging you in this direction.

PeregrineV here reminds me of another game, where he was scum. Overall useless in this game, making what he thinks are funny/witty remarks. I think there's a good chance he's scum, and would lynch him, much like thinkbig.

PV's current playstyle is new to me. I'm used to him lurking as either alignment, and even then, most of his worthwhile analysis never came until much later in the game. I agree he hasn't done anything, which is why I called him out on it. I don't know if his behavior is because he's scum, or if his reads really take ages to develop.

[Brian Skies]

I don't know why I deleted it, but why do you have me outside your lynchpile even though you list me as probscum?

[Brian Skies]

PeregrineV here reminds me of another game, where he was scum. Overall useless in this game, making what he thinks are funny/witty remarks. I think there's a good chance he's scum, and would lynch him, much like thinkbig

LinK?

UNVOTE:

I'm not feeling the PZ read, but your reply to Brian just now makes me think you are town

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67071

Did you link the wrong game? I don't see the resemblance in his play between the two games. I do think he's scummy though.

[Brian Skies]

PeregrineV here reminds me of another game, where he was scum. Overall useless in this game, making what he thinks are funny/witty remarks. I think there's a good chance he's scum, and would lynch him, much like thinkbig

LinK?

UNVOTE:

I'm not feeling the PZ read, but your reply to Brian just now makes me think you are town

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67071

Did you link the wrong game? I don't see the resemblance in his play between the two games. I do think he's scummy though.

Well I was reminded of that game and I remember I called him out as scum early in that game too

Maybe you just don't have what it takes Brian

Well, I've called out scum on page 2 before. And I've correctly scumread mafia on day 1 on multiple occasions. I've also nailed the scumteam while the rest of the town was too busy running around like chickens with their heads cut off. It doesn't make me an expert scumhunter, I just get my reads when I get them. Also, this isn't a dick measuring contest.

[Brian Skies]

Why is Brian Skies RVS vote still on me?

Probably because my vote on you wasn't RVS. Why do you think my vote should have moved elsewhere? Does my lone vote make you uncomfortable?

[Brian Skies]

Superhans, you're an enigma and i can't

make

myself scumread you.

Why did you emphasize 'make' here?

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Vax

[Brian Skies]

emphasis on how much i cannot make myself scumread hans, perhaps? i don't know, how i typed it is how i felt it.

How did you feel?

that i couldnt muster a scumread on hans. feels gut town.

This is what I thought you meant. I don't like the word 'make', because it sounds like you were trying to force yourself to read him a certain way, and I don't know why you would feel the need to do that. You deliberately drawing attention to it just makes it worse for me.

I don't know what from your posts gives Desp the impression that it's a scum stream of consciousness. When I read through your early posts, it didn't bother me that much. And your later posts, particularly the ones in response to the pressure on you, give me the impression of a townie speaking in my head (regardless of whether I agree with anything you've said).

chillin

wondering why you went straight to "lol you think we're partners????" when surely you knew it was multiball

kinda weird

Well that was a quick change in vote from dunnestral. Yuck.

*whispers seductively in your ear*
Do it baby, no one's watching

oh, right. i didn't like anything ThinkBig posted, that's what i was forgetting.
VOTE: ThinkBig

This bothered me as well. But I figured you probably hit the Q+ button a few times. You immediately responding to it makes me believe it wasn't intentional, and I agree that Desperado's post was probably the worst of the bunch, but only because I didn't like his explanation for it here. Thinkbig's post just looks like a kneejerk response that could easily be from either alignment and Super's post just looks like an obvious joke not to be taken seriously.

[Brian Skies]

@Super - why are you so play putting him to L-1 page 4? This wagon has scum on it, even if Dunn ends up being scum.

VOTE: Super

Why is Brian Skies RVS vote still on me?

Probably because my vote on you wasn't RVS. Why do you think my vote should have moved elsewhere? Does my lone vote make you uncomfortable?

I am surprised it's not RVS cos you really haven't explained y it's on me, or tried to get other places to vote for me.

I've indicated why I was voting you here when I asked Desp about your vote on Vax. I don't like your vote because while I think Vax did mock Vifam's suspicion on him, I find him being overly defensive or discrediting the read to be a stretch and don't see how you could have jumped to that conclusion. Desp told me he wasn't bothered by it when I brought it up to him, which I found unsatisfactory, but didn't press because it's not a strong read. I also indicated to Papa Zito that I was serious about my vote on you here as well. I also don't like you attempting to look busy by fluffing up the thread asking Frogger about his Scummy award or you 'cheerleading' the reads lists given by other players, neither of whom listed you as a suspect.

[Brian Skies]

big up, Peregrine playing so pooorly this game

VOTE: Peregrine

This post though

What about it?

[Brian Skies]

I hope Prince Lyon was prodded.

@Super: In what way? You're just using this discussion as an excuse to increase your post count and look busy.

I hope Prince Lyon was prodded.

@Super: In what way? You're just using this discussion as an excuse to increase your post count and look busy.

do we have a vig

It will probably be replaced before it becomes an issue. Unless of course you're talking about Super, in which case, you could just vote him.

Oh, nevermind, he's getting replaced. o.o

It sure feels like I replaced somebody. :/ God I feel dumb.

Anyway. I think this is a fake dumb slip about NotChara. "I'll pretend to not know who my buddy replaced"

I've been seeing this on site a lot lately.

I don't believe I've ever felt the need to fake something like this (maybe I have, I just don't remember). But sure, if Chara flips scum, I give you permission to lynch/vig/kill me.

Do you have any examples of scum faking this dumb slip?

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: PeregrineV

[Brian Skies]

You don't like that it's naked, that I'm voting Peregrine, or...?

[Brian Skies]

Because I think he's scummy and his wagon is more likely to result in a scumflip than the largest alternative.

[Brian Skies]

Also, while I found AJ's case on Vax to be persuasive, I don't like being on the same wagon as a guy who hasn't managed to do anything else except chainsaw one person.

[Brian Skies]

I would lynch AJ before I would lynch Chara.

[Brian Skies]

The reason I would vote AJ before Chara is because I can see AJ being scum whiteknighting Chara regardless of her alignment.

[Brian Skies]

Because I think he's scummy and his wagon is more likely to result in a scumflip than the largest alternative.

why do you think he's scummy

Early posting was mostly joking around with no scumhunting. My experience with PV is that when he's town, he just lurks and comes back later with relevant content. Here it seems like he was trying to have a presence without actually making a meaningful contribution anywhere. This continues for 18 pages until Chara and AJ call him out for his vote on a non-existent slot (interestingly, Chara only scumread/voted me for this in one of her opening posts and seemingly ignored PV). He then immediately reverts to this behavior until here, which is likely just his response to being pressured by Papa Zito and Gamma. I don't know if he legitimately believes in a NotChara/AJ scumteam or if he's just reiterating the concerns that have already been expressed by others.

[Brian Skies]

I would lynch AJ before I would lynch Chara.

Why's that? Like, what is the source of your townread on NotChara being stronger than your read on AJ?

My townread on Chara is not strong. I just think that if there's scum between the two, that it's possible that it's only AJ (or that AJ is not her partner). This is because AJ has spent most of his energy pushing suspicion on players voting his slot or chainsawing Chara.

[Brian Skies]

The reason I would vote AJ before Chara is because I can see AJ being scum whiteknighting Chara regardless of her alignment.

why does that same logic not apply to NotChara?

257 came before 415

Because Chara's post is not a strong defense of the Malachite slot, and I don't believe it was ever intended to be. AJ, on the other hand, is clearly hard defending Chara.

[Brian Skies]

Because I think he's scummy and his wagon is more likely to result in a scumflip than the largest alternative.

why do you think he's scummy

Early posting was mostly joking around with no scumhunting. My experience with PV is that when he's town, he just lurks and comes back later with relevant content. Here it seems like he was trying to have a presence without actually making a meaningful contribution anywhere. This continues for 18 pages until Chara and AJ call him out for his vote on a non-existent slot (interestingly, Chara only scumread/voted me for this in one of her opening posts and seemingly ignored PV). He then immediately reverts to this behavior until here, which is likely just his response to being pressured by Papa Zito and Gamma. I don't know if he legitimately believes in a NotChara/AJ scumteam or if he's just reiterating the concerns that have already been expressed by others.

I'll help you.

Monday- Page1
Friday-Page18

Monday-Page26

And there is no pressure. Zito voted NotChara, I voted NotChara, Zito voted me and has been trying to get people to join. He is not trying to get anything from me, because none of the 15 questions were to me.

Votes are still pressure. And multiple people have expressed suspicions on you in one way or another.

[Brian Skies]

I would lynch AJ before I would lynch Chara.

Why's that? Like, what is the source of your townread on NotChara being stronger than your read on AJ?

My townread on Chara is not strong. I just think that if there's scum between the two, that it's possible that it's only AJ (or that AJ is not her partner). This is because AJ has spent most of his energy pushing suspicion on players voting his slot or chainsawing Chara.

The reason I would vote AJ before Chara is because I can see AJ being scum whiteknighting Chara regardless of her alignment.

why does that same logic not apply to NotChara?

257 came before 415

Because Chara's post is not a strong defense of the Malachite slot, and I don't believe it was ever intended to be. AJ, on the other hand, is clearly hard defending Chara.

Maybe. But Aj's reason for townreading Chara, as dumb as it was, makes sense.

I have not seen the reverse.

I've only seen two mentions of Aj's slot in Chara's posting. The first was here where she said she thought our votes on the Malachite slot was weird. The second time was here where she indicated that she could see AJ as scum whiteknighting her.

AJ, on the other hand, has mentioned a strong townread or defended her on multiple occasions: 415, 427, 562, 584, 596, 601, 639, 641, 647, 849. 645 and 649 were deflections directly related to his townread on Chara. 708 was an attack on a player that voted Chara. 715 was a direct response to a question you posed to him about Chara. This means that 14/18 of his posts mentioned Chara or were related to his read on Chara in some way. None of his other posts indicate an interest in anything unrelated to her.

What about AJ's townread of Chara makes sense to you? Why do (did) you think there's a likely team between the two? And why does the bolded matter considering Chara has never stated a townread on AJ?

[Brian Skies]

I gave a lot more than meta on PV. You're just being obstinate.

[Brian Skies]

I think it was Dunn who gave meta.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Aj The Epic

[Brian Skies]

Thinkbig, does your ability have a name?

[Brian Skies]

I thought ThinkBig was already hammered. Looks like the AJ wagon still has a chance.

If you think AJ is scum why can't we lynch Chara

What's your read on AJ?

[Brian Skies]

Vote AJ pls. <33333

[Brian Skies]

I've only seen two mentions of Aj's slot in Chara's posting. The first was here where she said she thought our votes on the Malachite slot was weird. The second time was here where she indicated that she could see AJ as scum whiteknighting her.

AJ, on the other hand, has mentioned a strong townread or defended her on multiple occasions: 415, 427, 562, 584, 596, 601, 639, 641, 647, 849. 645 and 649 were deflections directly related to his townread on Chara. 708 was an attack on a player that voted Chara. 715 was a direct response to a question you posed to him about Chara. This means that 14/18 of his posts mentioned Chara or were related to his read on Chara in some way. None of his other posts indicate an interest in anything unrelated to her.

What about AJ's townread of Chara makes sense to you? Why do (did) you think there's a likely team between the two? And why does the bolded matter considering Chara has never stated a townread on AJ?

Lots of people who play mafia tend to townread people who "protect" them (see this site, for example). In 257, Chara, calls out the votes on the AJ slot. As one of the top items of interest when she replaced in. I can see AJtown seeing this as defending him, and thus make Chara a town read. I can see AJscum calling his scumbuddy or townChara a townread for doing it.

What is hard for me to see is why townChara makes many of the posts she did (682).

Why do I think they are a likely team? Because of Chara calling out the votes on AJ/Malachite. Why bother, unless she had a read on the slot?
And AJ does townread the slot for that. Which I think AJtown knows better.
And Chara suddenly says AJ could be scum(659), but is still voting ThinkBig (273).

And 841, where somehow their reads are matching up.

I find the entire bolded part a stretch. She called out two naked votes on a slot that barely managed to make an RVS vote, and failed at even doing that. She's right that the slot's behavior was mostly NAI. She also hasn't done much of anything with it other than pointing it out, so I don't know why you're so hung up on it.

Eh. 682 is okay.

If you think AJtown knows better, why not vote him?
Why does Chara have to vote AJ with an offhand remark when she's actually stated a scumread on the ThinkBig slot?

In 841, it's clear Chara made those reads first. So AJ could just be buddying up to her and her reads. Either way, if you think they could both be scum, why not vote AJ?

[Brian Skies]

I'm unopposed to the ThinkBig wagon, by the way. I just don't feel like it's more likely to flip in either direction. From what I've seen, the guy just seems busy and apparently celebrates every major holiday. Useless != scum. And just because he didn't self vote as town in the game he linked doesn't make him scum here. That's a fallacy and you guys were wagoning him right after he said he was going to celebrate his birthday (I'd be pretty irked too). Why someone needs 5 days to celebrate their birthday, though, is beyond me.

I just feel a lot more confident in an AJ lynch.

[Brian Skies]

Aj has also continued his pattern of attacking players who scumread him or scumread Chara. He has since added in mild setup speculation.

[Brian Skies]

Based on what?

[Brian Skies]

Look at you all setting up lynches. It's so adorable. I wouldn't have to focus on defending Chara so much if you wouldn't insist they're scum. And saying "Aj is only focusing on those who vote Chara" is kinda disingenuous because that's at least half the fucking game at some point or another, considering people like Brian Skiies only states "Vote AJ" anymore.

Well, I wouldn't be so focused on you if you learned a new trick. But since you apparently only know how to do three things, then yeah, you're scum.

The game is 40+ pages now. Surely you can do more than just attack people for their reads on you or Chara. I remember you entering the game with a comment about forced run-ups, but you never bothered to follow up on it. Did you even do it?

[Brian Skies]

Also, I have voted several different players, so your whole attack on me here is disingenuous at best.

[Brian Skies]

Well, I was obviously not talking to you.

[Brian Skies]

Probably.

[Brian Skies]

Dammit Gamma. I got my hopes up.

[Brian Skies]

GJ Vifam. Thanks Boon/Gamma for not double-crossing my partner.

Thanks for the game.

[Brian Skies]

I enjoyed your color wheels!

[Brian Skies]

Yeah I know. I knew I was dead the instant I asked the question.

[Brian Skies]

Papa Zito's was still the best.