Night and Day Mafia (Game Over)

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Thanks mastina!
okay, I basicly use this alt for lurking purposes and just watching the gamestate and trying to observe what happens there.
Meaning I try to post less.

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Vedith you need to vote Texcat.

VOTE: Texcat

RABBLERABBLERABBLE

We're doing TB now

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tl;dr

tl;dr i have a shit ton of evidence that Titus is scum

okay, sounds gr8. Let's lynch Titus tomorrow after obvscum ThinkBig dies?

I thought we were gonna do Texcat tomorrow

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You must have gotten a very bad image of my play from Hunger Games if you think threatening me is going to make me wilt. And I really don't like being misreped in the manner you just did. And yes, that is a willful misrepresentation of my argument and not some form of miscommunication. At no point did I say I knew any of their alignments, although I do have, and have stated in thread, strong town reads of Aronis and Snarky's slot. But that's besides the point, because we both know that you don't need to know alignments to know when a wagon or a push is off. And I don't need to freaking know their alignments to point out a pattern of voting that does not seem right. It's called scumhunting. You see something that looks off and push at it. If we look closely at your level of activity, it becomes clear real quick that you went for the wagons on the weaker players with little or weak reasoning, and then you let someone else push. That's what happened with Aronis. That's what happened with CE, since there were others, myself included, pushing it harder for you. Snarky was for stating a townread on TB, which would warrant a knee jerk vote, but it's weak reasoning at best, and you never followed up on it. And as for TB, that's the hardest you've pushed, and it's for a lurker lynch, one that actively avoids discussing any other player. And given TB's replace out, I'm just going to say that I don't think it's alignment indicative at all. And even if it was, a new player in the slot makes it infinitely easier to read, but that looks like it's something you're not interested in. I liked my interaction with you earlier in the day, but that could have just been personality, as you've done diddly squat since then. And I don't like it, because it doesn't mesh with my Titus read, but that's gut, and this is just something that's been gnawing at me since Snarky. And I didn't want to do anything, because I really want to believe you're town in this game. Like I really do. But I'm having a harder and harder time buying it.

Okay but what do you think about Gin doing it? And what's your stance on her?
Also this is a lot of words and I'm not understanding what you're saying

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Just waking up looks like the game exploded. Catching up now. Anything I should be aware of?

yeah, we all decided to massclaim while you were gone. what's your role?

lol this is town.

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you can pick a side and not fence sit :3

What exactly is your stance on Bulb?

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aaaaaaaargh but i don't knooooooow
honestly i was scumreading both of you during my catchup
but i kinda figure this might be your natural playstyle, so i'm the tiniest bit on your side

Standing around and doing nothing isn't going to help you generate stances.
Evaluate their isos together, and look into the arugements and see if they are being generated by scum or town.

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The love of my life

Love you Paddy. Stay adorable.

What is this? Are you playing some other game?

How does this help you figure out their alignment at all?

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No, I didn't. I said why your case is bad.

Why? And what do you think of my case on Texcat

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Gin I'm losing interest in your TB push and you are boring me, so I am going back to this
VOTE: Texcat

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It just looks like typical Aelita to me.
-Ali

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oh god
here come the trust issues

okay I like that you mostly agree with me
but some of those responses are making me a bit nervous. it looks like you're sheeping it to the point of whiteknighting me, and I really want to stay out of the pocket

regardless, glad I persuaded you.

Srry I just try to pocket everybody and constantly white knight. I'm like not good at scum hunting and so I make up for that by being overly friendly cause deep down in a poor miserable lonely soul. I don't even know what I'm saying now. Just ignore this post

Responses like these is why I enjoy playing with you.

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Thanks mastina!
okay, I basicly use this alt for lurking purposes and just watching the gamestate and trying to observe what happens there.
Meaning I try to post less.

Will you respond if I want to talk to you? I don't get why you're voting TB right now.

ye
I voted tb because I mostly agreed with what Gin and Aronis were saying when they voted them.
But the wagon stalled and went nowhere so I became bored with it and voted Texcat again.

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Aslan, are you not going to catch up on the thread?

I'd like to go over reads with you and I can't do that when you're operating off incomplete information. Have you read anything besides Texcat yet?

What are you reads right now outside Texcat?

nancy you should know that I am lazy as shit.
If you want me to ISO someone, give me names and I will ISO them.

As for my reads what I got for you currently is that Kelvin, Math, Quantum, Aelita, Titus, Vedith, Aronis, You, Dramonic town
Snarky, Rauth Null/Haven't Bothered to Sort
Eddie, Texcat, TB, BTD Scum
Gin v Bulb TvS

BTW Vedith you're falling off when it comes to the town charts just for not appearing.

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BTW Vedith you're falling off when it comes to the town charts just for not appearing.

I'm not here to convince you that I'm town.

I don't want you to convince me that you're town.
I want you to do things.

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Titus who is scum?
Also Texcat is our lynch for the day.

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Titus,
please don't let this turn into Spring Fever
Like, I can't see Texcat as town, if you think they're town help me out here.
Like Titus, you know I am willing to work with you, it's just things like what happened in Spring Fever and Railgun where you hardpush town just give me sads

Also, What do you think of the Bulb v Gin fight?
I'm still trying to make something out of that.

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Titus,
please don't let this turn into Spring Fever
Like, I can't see Texcat as town, if you think they're town help me out here.
Like Titus, you know I am willing to work with you, it's just things like what happened in Spring Fever and Railgun where you hardpush town just give me sads

Also, What do you think of the Bulb v Gin fight?
I'm still trying to make something out of that.

Who are you?

OMG IT'S A TITUS


Does that answer your question?

[A2]

A2, an alt of Alisae, replaces Alisae at Alisae's request.

Thanks mastina!
okay, I basicly use this alt for lurking purposes and just watching the gamestate and trying to observe what happens there.
Meaning I try to post less.

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Oh hi.

if this is your response to me I'm sad
I thought we were better friends then this.

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And why are you trying so blatantly to buddy up to Titus?

What you call buddying is what I do to my site BFFs and just friends in general. Deal with it, and stop asking questions that lead nowhere and fail to move the gameforward.

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Yo is that GiF?
I think that's GiF.

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Hey Quantum
do you have any idea who might be scum besides Titus?

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Quantum, your Titus push is going nowhere.
I want something new.

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VOTE: Gin
done with your shit.

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VOTE: Gin
done with your shit.

You're gonna have to use your words on that one

I think your rage is fake.
And everytime I read your latests posts I want to strangle myself.

<<< Hey, now. Let's not make comments like ^that^ please. >>>

I am fucking pist.

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1st, we have a plethora of games together and you've seen my style almost every game.

I don't care about your style atm. I'm not going to townread you for it either.
Like
I am just
Angry when I see your posts.
And I don't even fucking know why
but I just look at your posts and just get angry.
like fuck man.

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2nd, You are a carbon copy of rb from our last game together where he voted me because I was annoying rather than being scummy.

You really think I care about what rb did? Our playstyles aren't even the same Gin. Like this is just bullshit.

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Titus I need a hug

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<<< Hey, now. Let's not make comments like ^that^ please. >>>

sry mastina.

pedit: Gin Spyro is outdated meta, and you're taking it out of context. I was annoyed with you because you were scumhunting me and I was trying to disrupt your scumhunting. You taking that meta out of context is scummy.

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Like
that was my first scumgame.
You've seen me grown a lot Gin.
And yet you're comparing me to fucking Spyro.

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You're saying outdated meta but it doesn't change the fact that voting someone because they're annoying and not because they're scummy, is scumfuck calling card.

You misrepsenting Meta and taking it completely out of context is scummy.

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Titus I need a hug

I better not be that one anti-town guy

/me hugs

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Okay fuck the meta.

My point still stands.

You're voting me because you're annoyed and not because I'm scummy.

Hey scum
Are you gonna bark all day or are you gonna bite?

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Hey Gin
here's a fun thing to think about.
Put yourself in my shoes.
And ask yourself "If A2 was scum, why would they initiate a fight with you?"

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Gin.
What reward am I going to get by getting into a fight with you.
Please tell me.
I'm really lost here.

Spyro is outdated Meta. My scumgame was weak. Now it isn't.

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You're not even addressing my point...
You're just taking the weakest shit I throw out there and using it to suit your own needs...

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Titus, why is Gin town?

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You're not even addressing my point...
You're just taking the weakest shit I throw out there and using it to suit your own needs...

Your point is literally WIFOM making it unusable?

I have 0 reward for fighting you here.

pedit: Titus then vote Ginngie.

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You're saying outdated meta but it doesn't change the fact that voting someone because they're annoying and not because they're scummy, is scumfuck calling card.

You misrepsenting Meta and taking it completely out of context is scummy.

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Being anti-town isn't always scummy.

I don't like Gingie's play and I wish they'd stop.

I thought you LIKED Policy Lynches.

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You're saying outdated meta but it doesn't change the fact that voting someone because they're annoying and not because they're scummy, is scumfuck calling card.

You misrepsenting Meta and taking it completely out of context is scummy.

What makes it a misrep and not a faulty use of meta?

In Spyro I was annoyed because he was scumhunting me and as such I disrupted his attempts in scumhunting me.
Here I got annoyed with his posts and his play which I found anti-town at the time, so I voted him. And I'm not as much annoyed, moreso just interacting with scum.
It's misrep because it's not even similar to what's going on here.

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It's not misrepresenting if I'm literally accurately describing something.

P-edit: So now I'm a policy lynch.

Please tell me more how you won't delve into my play and say why it's scum. This is fun

It's a policy lynch on scum.
Duh.
You're going to give me this meta shit everytime I try to push you regardless of your alignment...You DO know that, right?

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Can that death be soon?

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You're going to give me this meta shit everytime I try to push you regardless of your alignment...You DO know that, right?

wait a minute

let this be clear

you're saying i'd use meta arguments on you regardless of alignments, yay or nay

I'm saying that anytime I would try to push you, you would attempt to use selfmeta to get me to not push you.

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I'm saying that anytime I would try to push you, you would attempt to use selfmeta to get me to not push you.

I'm trying to communicate in the 2nd quote you quoted.

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Oh baby baby, I'd LOVE to hear the case on why I am scum. So please bring that to the table and I'll gladly dance.

My case is that you've been irrelevant and unnoticed and you haven't been adding much to the game. You've just been kinda there. So because of that you are probably scum.

Tone here is bad, it sounds like you're trying to sound towny and full of yourself but it doesn't seem believable.

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So a completely flimsy case hinged on being unnoticed, adding much, just being there sparingly, tone being bad and being full of myself because I'm calling out the fact that you're calling me scum. Alright....

Did you miss the fake dayvig shot thrown in my direction from Vedith? Because in all honesty had that actively went off, he'd have been asshole deep in a world of pressure because of not only wasting his shot on day 1, but on town day 1. Wouldn't have gotten much information from my death because of your previous points of being unnoticed or adding much, would have it? Why shoot me to begin with for being able to notice you were lying about claiming to hammer at L-1, after also stating earlier that you'd shoot Gin with a shot IF you had it? From that fake day vig shot at post 558, you can see a change/shift in the active game. A scum read of Rauth is now starting to come across as town for some people.

Now, going back over that I still consider Vedith my #1 scum read, but I could easily talk myself into seeing Ved as town/dumb town on the other hand. He's confident that his shot will work, it'll flip me scum, and he sticks to his guns even after finding out it's not going to work as he intended. But, the complications with trying to justify that come with too many questions. Why make that fake day vig ploy in the first place? What does it accomplish? How does this affect the game going forward? Does my alignment flipping town change YOUR (the rest of the town's) perspective on Veds play?

Um...Scum play that way a lot.
Also oh wow you faked a dayvig, man you sure are special!
Would you like a cookie?

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OMG IT'S A TITUS!
/me hugs Titus
you can just call me Alisae or Ali on here if you want

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Well here
have a vote anyways.
VOTE: Eddie

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Looks like I already posted more than EddieFenix the entire game.

WOW
You must be SO special for continuing the sitemeta that is spamposting.
Do you want a cookie?

[A2]

Cookies are my thing with Shiro. We have OMG.

Yeah but there's people like Creature who think spamposting is a good thing and people like Eddie who think faking a dayvig makes them town and here I am just loooooooooooooool.
BTW Eddie is still really scummy, I don't understand why people aren't voting that.

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Creature might be scum wking texcat...

VOTE: texcat

Titus I'm confused.

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Hey guys
I can fake a dayvig too.
Watch.

Dayvig: EddiePhoenix

BAM!
I must be AMAZINGLY CONF TOWN NOW BOYZ!

[A2]

I'm throwing shade at my scumread oh no the tragedy.

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Yeah Great Aronis not really changing soon because I think Eddie is scum.
Why is he town?

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I see Snarky hasn't posted since I voted him.

I really feel like texcat wagon is just a

lazy wagon.

SnarkySnowman - 3 (DrCirno, Creature, Frosted Kelvin Bran)

Litterally what?

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I'm failing to see how your Snarky wagon isn't lazy.

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Kelvin tell me something
what other wagons are you interested in?

[A2]

I wanted your scumreads dammit
zzz

[A2]

I read it
tbh I just forgot for a moment because I am really tired
fuck me why did I wake up this early.

What are your opinions on the other wagons and why?

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Gin
can you remind me again who's posting you do care about and who's posting you don't care about?

[A2]

can you talk to me about Eddie?
I could be missing something that people are see and I'm just not.

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Hey Aronis,
How do you know you are a mason if you're in the dark?

[A2]

Scumlean {dramonic}

I am very interested to see how you got this!

[A2]

Lost the post I was typing while at work, but I'll summarize the most important part. Concerning the Aronis mason "controversy":

OH MY GOD I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE RAILGUN
I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE KUROKO TOO OMG OMG OMG OMG THAT MUST ME YOU ARE A GREAT PERSON I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE POST RAILGUN GIFS DURING A MAFIA GAME OMG OMG OMG

I'm fanboying atm i'm sry

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Can we end the fucking day already?

[A2]

lmao gin I love you too
yeah I feel confident TRing you now.

[A2]

VOTE: Snarky
Aronis stop fucking throwing if you're town.

[A2]

Like
I am reading your despair
and it seems town
but don't fucking do that shit man.

[A2]

QR get off your god dam vanity wagon it's deadline.

[A2]

No Aronis.
What you need to do is you need to chill the fuck out
take a breath
grab your barings
and vote SnarkySnowman
because you are most likely town
and I rather have you live then Snarky.

[A2]

Oh...
UNVOTE:
Fuck me then I hate BOTH of these lynches.

[A2]

VOTE: Eddie
I'll do this.
Also nancy I'm sad

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One of us has a rolecop guilty in the light. This is a fool's errand probably to say it too early. The result came back strongman.

We want to see who dark pushes in light before outing the guilty or who has it.

What I find hilarious

is that we out a guilty in the light

and the dark, votes for people in the dark

:^)

GUYS
We have a fucking ROLECOP GUILTY
VOTE: BTD
Ywall need to get your facts straight.

pedit: Um... Rolecops can go to town or scum.

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Creature's reaction is bad btw.
I'm actually thinking of another idea but I'm trying to figure out if it'll work.

[A2]

I'm not sure why A2 voted me in the same post in which they announced a Role Cop Guilty. I am not the Role Cop Guilty. We only know that there was a Guilty. Our Role Cop did not claim who it was.

Is A2 trying to make a push on me by suggesting that I am the Guilty? If not, what reasoning do you have?

No I'm pushing my reads, I don't really know if you're the guilty in light. But if there is a guilty and it is in light, I think you are the scum in Light.

It's that fucking simple, don't try to fucking squirm out of this by saying I'm trying to make it look like you were the guilty. Because that's scummy.

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White Flag
This is White Flag.
In that game, BTD was scum.
In that game, BTD did useless vote count analysis that he went no where with.
In that game, BTD did nothing.
He's scum here.

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VOTE: Dramonic

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*hugs nancy*

*enacting massive nancy hugs*

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BTD or Dram can die today.
I do not see any town motivation in what Dram is doing right now.
(this means I'm liking Bulba a lot more now btw)

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Mostly Neighbourhood stuff.
He's being really cagey about his reads and stances for some reason and Bulba is for the most part trying to work with him but Dram just refuses.

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But I thought you were convinced BTD is the guilty?

I'm convinced he's scum not that he's the guilty.

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Like
I don't really know who the fuck the guilty is, so trying to speculate is pointless untill ywall out it.

[A2]

hold my hand

Handholding is lewd
but um...
...
Would you want to hold my hand?

[A2]

That's not a no

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Talking with Bulb is a waste of time. I'll say it here like I said in the dark thread: If you want me to care (I think I said listen) about what you have to say, maybe don't build bs meta cases that gets town lynched. His credibility is completely shot to me, his conftown list is abysmal, and when called out on it his sole reaction is "EXPLAIN WHY THESE PEOPLE ARE SCUM"
This just in: there is no scale between conftown and scum.
Yeah no, fuck that.

Here's the thing.
I think bulb wants you to actually explain your reads there.

Also I'm liking Ginngie maybe a bit more now tbh.

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Everyone but Math endorsed this.

EXPLAIN YOURSELF.

[A2]

Ginngie
WHY THE FUCK
ARE YOU CLAIMING
FOR NO REASON.

[A2]

Eh
tbh if scum already know might as well tell everyone.

[A2]

Dam
I got snipped.

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I kinda wanted Math to explain why they didn't endorse it.
I understand the thought process behind the gambit.

but THREE protectives
are you serious?

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Math hates it because of this stupid ethic thing of never wanting to lie and how it only hurts town but I shut them up giving proof that it has worked in camn's revenge and made a player scumslip in a fakeclaim

Yep. That's definitely Math alright.

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Bus driver is a huge assumption. Strongman is the simplest answer, and with all things being equal, the simplest answer has the best chance of being correct. And regardless of what scum could or could not have, that still means there's scum in the light PT. So I'm not sure why you're making this argument.

So we have proof of scum existing in light, mainly from claims, but you don't want to hunt for said scum because "there be liars, y'all!"?

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaa....
I think the issue here is that you don't understand Math.

Let's start with your first point.
Math isn't the type of player to go for the easiest answer.
They want to contribute as much as possible.

As for your second point
I kinda don't want to hunt for specificly the strongman either.
I want to hunt for scum.
Does that make sense?

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town: bulb, kelv, ging, rauth, QR, math
mehtown: btd, cirno, vedith,
mehscum: CE, texcat, a2
scum: titus, aronis, creature

yay for wasting time

Like
I can vote BTD
I just want to keep my options open in the event I find something scummier
Ya know?

[A2]

Also Aronis, Texcat, Crino, and Vedith
Look in the dark hood please.

These things have town utility when people decide to USE THEM.

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Yeah but
Bulb Math is voting someone who is In the Light.
Like
you're whole arguement for MathBlade being scum is they're not hunting in the light.
But they're voting BTD
Who is in the light.

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It looks as though a wagon has formed on me. This wagon is going nowhere because I am confirmable. However, I can analyse my wagon to see which votes are scum-motivated and which ones aren't.

White Flag
This is White Flag.
In that game, BTD was scum.
In that game, BTD did useless vote count analysis that he went no where with.
In that game, BTD did nothing.
He's scum here.

You are cherry-picking examples. There are a number of games in which I was Town but did not do much other than analysing votes. This may be indicative of something for me, but not alignment. If you look through the other games, you will see that this argument is very weak.

There is a wiki article on logical fallacies with this very example (Hitler Built Autobahns). From that page:

"You did X as scum in the last game I played with you, and you have done it here. Therefore, you are scum."

This differs from a genuine meta tell, in that genuine meta involves looking through a number of games, where the larger the sample the more accurate the tell. In order to use it, you need to show that I only do something as scum and do not do it as Town, or that I do something significantly more often as scum than as Town. These both require large samples. One game is not at all sufficient.

What even is this post man.

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You forgot about one thing I said.

I am confirmable. Should I claim immediately?

Whatever floats your boat.

[A2]

Yeah might be better to wait on MathBlade for that.

[A2]

Alright
you're bullshitting about the crumb

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So, let's break down the BTD post he just made.

It was a purely defensive post talking really only about him.

The purpose of the post as it was first stated was to see which votes on him were scum driven. He chose one out of all of them to analyze and the easiest to argue against.

So, if he was analyzing for scum-driven votes, you would at least think if he thought Alisae's post/vote was hot garbage, that he would push that.

YET, there is still no vote by BTD. He still isn't pushing anything or really anyone. He is playing defensive and just waiting for someone else to fuck up.

This is also actually not ego related but another reason I find BTD scummy, he willfully ignores interactions in the PT, so you would assume he just isn't reading it; however, he was reading closely enough that he knew that Titus was faking a guilty and went along with it, confirming that he was actively lurking and avoiding interactions.

With that piece of information, I add on to the fact that he has been paying close enough attention that he would be able to see, and afford the time to address my scum read/reasoning on him at any given time but he ignores it. I personally think he's ignoring it because he knows it's a losing battle and if you ignore something, sometimes a player will forget about you for a shiny new bone.

I analysed Alisae's vote first because I remember that vote being a particularly early one. I typically analyse votes chronologically.

Also, I would rather look at the other votes on me first before I decide which is scummiest.

You forgot about one thing I said.

I am confirmable. Should I claim immediately?

It looks as though a wagon has formed on me. This wagon is going nowhere because I am confirmable. However, I can analyse my wagon to see which votes are scum-motivated and which ones aren't.

White Flag
This is White Flag.
In that game, BTD was scum.
In that game, BTD did useless vote count analysis that he went no where with.
In that game, BTD did nothing.
He's scum here.

You are cherry-picking examples. There are a number of games in which I was Town but did not do much other than analysing votes. This may be indicative of something for me, but not alignment. If you look through the other games, you will see that this argument is very weak.

There is a wiki article on logical fallacies with this very example (Hitler Built Autobahns). From that page:

"You did X as scum in the last game I played with you, and you have done it here. Therefore, you are scum."

This differs from a genuine meta tell, in that genuine meta involves looking through a number of games, where the larger the sample the more accurate the tell. In order to use it, you need to show that I only do something as scum and do not do it as Town, or that I do something significantly more often as scum than as Town. These both require large samples. One game is not at all sufficient.

@Mod

V/LA until the 16th of July.

<<< Noted. >>>

I'm not sure why A2 voted me in the same post in which they announced a Role Cop Guilty. I am not the Role Cop Guilty. We only know that there was a Guilty. Our Role Cop did not claim who it was.

Is A2 trying to make a push on me by suggesting that I am the Guilty? If not, what reasoning do you have?

You're telling me
that you crumbed in atleast these 5 posts.

Idunno if I am just blind
but I am not seeing no crumbs.

[A2]

So have a vote
VOTE: BTD

[A2]

Like BTD
if I am not seeing the crumb
point me in the general direction.
because I just do not see it atm.

[A2]

@MOD If there were to be a hypothedical Tracker, what would be the result for them being roleblocked and for their target going nowhere.

<<< Answered in 3190. >>>

Because BTD
that is a very misleading crumb.
That implies your target went nowhere and not that you got No Result.

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I am a Tracker, and on Night 1 I tracked MathBlade.

I have crumbed my result, but it would be good if MathBlade claimed their target so I could judge whether they are honest or not. Should I claim my result immediately? (Knowing whether MathBlade is lying may be good, but I also want to confirm my role without seeming to merely copy MathBlade's result, hence the crumb.)

Claiming is probably mostly safe for me, given that there are probably more powerful roles scum would want to kill first instead of me.

Also
another thing I would like to add here.
This post implies that you had did your crumb way beforehand today like in the 5 posts I mentioned.
It implies you had it setup and ready to go and it wasn't hasty.
Not to mention your crumb
is like really weak.

[A2]

Hey Narna!
Just wondering, how much have you read?

[A2]

Well at the end of day 1 Snarky claimed cop because he was getting wagoned for being SnarkySnowman and not posting.

[A2]

Bulb the thing about it is
it is really safe for scum to claim that they were roleblocked.

[A2]

No one fucking reads "Went Nowhere" and "No Result" wrong they are two different phrases.

[A2]

um nancy
BTD claimed Tracker and first crumbed that Math went No Where and then he said that he misread and got No Result and it's scummy as fuck.
There's also a strongman in Light.
BTD is most likely strongman.

[A2]

There was no guilty.
That was just a gambit Titus did.

[A2]

There was no guilty.
That was just a gambit Titus did.

Well that's awful.

Think whatever you like of it.
Light knows they have a strongman or something in there so thats why Titus faked a rolecop guilty.

[A2]

Oh.
Yeah I wish things were as easy as lynch a guilty right now.

[A2]

Because everyone has their own theories on why Kelvin was moved into Light?

[A2]

I'd actually let Math answer here for information.

[A2]

Okay
let me rephrase.
nancy should answer
then Math should answer if they have a theory.

[A2]

It's a lie.

[A2]

Ari I think Aronis is kinda town sry man

[A2]

HI COWBELLS!!!!!!

[A2]

RIGHT HERE!!!!!!
IN MASTINA'S GAME!

[A2]

HI COWBELLS!
/me waves

[A2]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAH
A SCUM!TITUS?!?!?!!
WHERE IS A SCUM TITUS OMG I DON'T SEE IT?

Lmao alt slips are a thing.

<<< Not with a mod around! >>>

[A2]

Cowbells how much of this game have you followed?

[A2]

Wow not my iso I'm sad.

[A2]

Well we are supposed to be lynching in light mostly because there is confirmed to be a Strongman or some sort of thing that gets by protectives.
So I mean like
Titus is in the light.
But like
What about the guy who we're wagonning?

[A2]

Yeah
except the thing is
I rather atleast make an attempt to sort you
before I follow you onto Titus and consider that.

[A2]

I'll unvote sure.
UNVOTE:

But thinking I'm going to fucking nightkill you right away just because you're RadiantCowbells?
I know you fucking hate that.

[A2]

It's a question because I want to buddy you and I want you to pocket me.
Duh.

[A2]

Okay well sorry but 1) I'm not scum and 2) I kinda want to trust you so go do things or whatever.

[A2]

Now go push a Titus or whatever

[A2]

When was RC in this game?

<<< RadiantCowbells replaces DrCirno effective immediately. >>>

Oh.

Killing a townread any% the speedrun

[A2]

When was RC in this game?

<<< RadiantCowbells replaces DrCirno effective immediately. >>>

Oh.

Killing a townread any% the speedrun

Aslan you're completely right that this comes across as somewhat fake; I don't think that it necessarily is, I don't think that scum has any significant motivation to act cluelessly in this way and I think that town makes those two posts just as often as scum does. I don't think that there's any meaningful way to read alignment off this; it looks very null.

Strongly disagree.
This is something I kinda see all of the time actually.

Like
One scum conveniently forgets the name of another scum. Or of who replaced into their scumbuddy's slot

I do not get why but it happens.

For example
Here is LQ pretending not to know their partner's name in Flavourful
Here is Brian Skies pretending not to know who is apart of Pine's hydra in Civ
Brian Skies also did the same thing in Cabd's Large Theme. Granted it wasn't about a scumpartner but it still looked super fake.
HoH is a long game, and I can attempt to find specificly where tomorrow, but here is Garrybote's and Frog's ISOs where they did the exact same thing too in the exact same game.

[A2]

Okay but like
what has Vedith been doing this game again?

[A2]

It starts with an F and ends with uck all nothing right?

[A2]

ez question
what are your reads?

[A2]

Don't you have like
any other reads?

[A2]

Because telling me that the only person that is scum is Aronis is not really helpful.

[A2]

Cowbells do you scumread the people who are telling you that your contributions are invalid?

[A2]

Also, what's town about never voting or pushing anyone?

or having any scum reads?

HELLO

[A2]

GIN DO YOU HAVE ANY AWARENESS OF WHAT IS GOING ON
LIKE ANY
BECAUSE IF YOU DID YOU WOULD KNOW THAT RC HAS SCUMREADS.

[A2]

Oh I thought you were talking about RC.

also Cowbells have fun this is scum!BTD.

[A2]

VOTE: Titus

[A2]

I don't think Titus does that reaction test bit as scum.

You would be surprised.

[A2]

I'm saying scum!Titus could easily do the reaction test.

[A2]

if scum!Titus has control over mechanics I would expect some wacky shit.

[A2]

Math would claimed the ascetic
I am pretty sure.

[A2]

Yeah

[A2]

I think MathBlade would do it as town, and if they would do it as town they would probably do it as scum.

[A2]

If you think MathBlade is an ascetic look into it more.
but I highly doubt MathBlade is an ascetic.

[A2]

There's none of the head-beating-against-wall MathBlade here.

According to the first post scum have a power and an additional something while in light.

Any player in that list could be scum with strongman addition.

Hello.

[A2]

oh yeah btw

Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.

[A2]

Hey guys
I would like ywall to read the interesting fun thing
called
MECHANICS

Game Mechanics

:

The Light, The Dark

• This game is explicitly a
  14
  :
  4
  Town
  :
  Mafia
  game.
  
• This game will feature
  four phases
  :
  1. The
     Day Phase
     works just like any other game. Players talk and may vote on who to lynch.
     
  2. The
     Night Phase
     works just like any other game. The game thread will be locked (however, private topics will remain open), and players may privately submit any night action they are capable of performing.
     
  3. The
     Dawn Phase
     (end of night) and the
     Dusk/Twilight Phase
     (end of day) will be transitionary phases: all relevant actions from the night/day phase trigger, and it is at this point they are resolved. These two phases will last only as long as necessary for all pertinent actions taking place within this phase to be resolved. (Namely, player transfers.)
• Just like in any other game, there will be a game thread open during the day phase closed during all other phases. It is within this thread players are obligated to post (as posts outside the game thread will not count towards prod timers), and it is within that thread players must vote.
  
• However
  , this game will be divided into two sides:
  Light
  and
  Dark
  .
  
• Each side is essentially a neighborhood, containing a private topic in which all current members of that side may talk in at all times.
  • Players may not vote within these topics. Players may not post in the game thread content from the private thread unless it is their own. Posts within these topics will not reset activity requirements. They will otherwise function like the game thread.
• The
  Dark
  side is Mountainous: any player who is in the dark side cannot use their role, even if they know what their role is.
  • Mafia within the
    Dark
    may still use their nightkill and discuss with teammates, but no other powers are available to them.
• The
  Light
  side is Role Madness: every player who is in the light side has a role which they may use within its given limitations for as long as they are on the light side.
  
• Players who begin in the
  Dark
  will not be informed of what their role is. Instead, they will be informed of their alignment, and of their role
  type
  . (E.g. a Vigilante would be "Town Killing", a Cop would be "Town Investigative".)
  
• Players who die in the
  Dark
  will not have their full role PM flip: they will have their alignment and role
  type
  flip. (E.g. a Vigilante would flip "
  Town Killing
  ", a Cop would flip "
  Town Investigative
  ", a Mafia Rolecop would flip "
  Mafia Investigative
  ".)
  
• Dynamics are determined not by starting position, but by
  current position
  . That means, a player who started as
  Light
  will, if within
  Dark
  , not have their role work; that same player who started in
  Light
  will, iff killed, have only their role type flip. Similarly, a player who started as
  Dark
  will, if killed in
  Light
  , have their
  full role
  flip.
  
• Players in the

  Light

  may target players in the

  Dark

  freely
  . There is no isolation between sides limiting you to targeting within your own side.
  
• Players
  only get one lynch per day
  , determined in the game thread. This is not two separate games.
  Both halves are either won or lost by

  all members of the faction
  .
  If the mafia make up the majority in one side yet do not have overall majority they don't win; if a side is free of mafia the town on that side does not win.
  
• Similarly, the mafia only gets
  one kill per night
  .
  
• In other words, town wins when all four mafia are dead and not a moment sooner; mafia win when they hold majority of the total town numbers and not a moment sooner. Regardless of how many town/mafia are in light/dark.
  
• Scum have the freedom to choose which side they kill from. I.e., if the town lynches from the
  Light
  , the mafia have the choice of killing nobody, killing from the
  Light
  , or killing from the
  Dark
  .
  
• Obviously, it may arise where one side at the end of a day/night has notably more numbers than the other side (2/3/4/5 more). If one side has
  two/three members more
  , then the other side will cast a majority vote on which player they wish to steal. In the case of a tie, the side with more members will hold a vote between the tied members on who they will lose. If a tie persists, the moderator will do a dice roll to determine the player sent over.
  If one side has
  four/five members more
  , then this same process is simply doubled with two players sent out to equalize the sides.
  
• Mafia Switch Mechanic:
  • At any time the numbers between sides are equal (e.g. 9:9, 8:8, 4:4), once per full phase (day/night), the mafia may switch two currently-living players: one from
    light
    , and one from
    dark
    . (In other words, were numbers equal on all of D1/N1/D2, the mafia may switch during all three times.)
    
  • The mafia may change submitted switches any time before the end of the phase; I will accept the last valid switch submitted at that time.
    
  • This switch will take effect (resolving) at the end of the phase, during the transitional phase (twilight/dawn).
    
  • The switch will happen even if one/both of the players in question are deceased at the time the switch resolves and/or numbers cease to be evenly distributed, as long as both were alive at the time the switch was triggered.
    
  • In the event numbers between
    Light
    and
    Dark
    side cease being equal midway through a phase, the mafia may choose to retract a switch action that was made when numbers were equal between the two sides. The retraction cannot be undone once it is made, as switches cannot be done with uneven distribution. Furthermore, the mafia at this point would be unable to change the switch to something different.
    
  • Inversely, in the event that midway through a phase numbers suddenly
    become
    equal, the mafia may then use their switch.
  
  
• Each scum player, unlike the town players, knows what power they possess even if they start on the dark side. (They simply can't use them while there.)
  • The mafia, however, have received
    full safeclaims
    which hold the exact format of actual town role PMs.
• In addition to possessing a personal power, each mafia player possesses a
  personal factional boon
  , an additional scum power they hold access to while in the
  Light
  .
  
• Light
  /
  Dark
  distribution was entirely randomized. You might have four mafia start in the
  Dark
  , four mafia start in the
  Light
  , three in Dark/Light, or two in each.
  
• Mafia may use ALL of their valid actions at once.
  
• Action Resolution:
  • When dealing with action resolution, I will first check to see if there is a possible conflict. If there's none,
    actions will resolve the obvious way. If there might be potential for conflict, continue down this list.
    
  • My second source for checking action resolution will be
    role PMs as they are written
    . That being, by the exact wording of the roles in question, is there an obvious solution? Please note then the importance of role PM wording! I will use very exact technical resolutions; if there is any room for doubt in your mind, you can and should ask for clarity!
    
  • If there is no obvious solution and still room for ambiguity, then I will next resort to Natural Action Resolution to resolve the conflict.
    
  • Should a conflict
    still
    exist, I will use Reasonable Action Resolution to the best of my knowledge to fill in the gaps. It should be noted this is not my first source (it is a source of last resort), and thus pay attention to the above two first.
    
  • If for some reason that still leaves a conflict, I will resolve things on a case-by-case basis.

[/list]

Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
You see this post right here?
Well if you zoom in a bit you'll see this.

Game Mechanics

:

The Light, The Dark

• In addition to possessing a personal power, each mafia player possesses a
  personal factional boon
  , an additional scum power they hold access to while in the
  Light
  .
  
• Mafia may use ALL of their valid actions at once.

Hold on, let me make that bigger for everyone

The Light, The Dark

• In addition to possessing a personal power, each mafia player possesses a
  personal factional boon
  , an additional scum power they hold access to while in the
  Light
  .
  
• Mafia may use ALL of their valid actions at once.

And people are beating up MathBlade when she's trying to bring this up?

HELLO?

MathBlade is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.

<<< Removing excess quote tag. Might not have been how you meant for it to be, but this is the best I can do. >>>

[A2]

GOOB JOB
YOU FIGURED IT OUT DIDN'T YOU

[A2]

to be honest, who the fuck blocks BTD?

Scum who has a way to have complete and full control of Light.

[A2]

You are dense and you need to think about the bigger picture here.

[A2]

Here
let me give you a hint
remember the time MathBlade said there could be a redirector/Bus Driver/Roleblocker/ and a Strongman?
Yeah.
If scum are going out of their way to roleblock BTD
I think they're manipulating the rest of the actions town has.

[A2]

It sounds to me like you're saying scum knows everyone's roles in the game and plan accordingly...

Well
not know
but moreso control and attempt to manipulate most if not all actions in Light.

[A2]

Okay well
each scum has their own boon ability.

[A2]

Okay well
each scum has their own boon ability.

At most, there is 2 actions per scum member.

There were 3 actions on Snarky
and 1 on BTD.

So what say you to that

I am really confused at what you're trying to get at.

[A2]

Ya know...
Quantum is right.

[A2]

So you're scumreading me here then?

Idunno the context I just felt like copy and pasting that neat quote you had in your sig
/me finger guns

[A2]

@A2: 1.) We don't know what those boons are capable of doing. For all we know, they could just be an additional power that only an individual scum can use, which is what the rules makes it sound like. If that's the case, nothings changed in regards to how we're hunting. If it's not, then we'll figure it out, but they still have to be in the light to use it, so, nothing's still changed in how we're hunting. 2.) Math is using the boon argument to say that non-light scum could have done any or all of what we have evidence of. In other words, Math is still trying to discredit the act of using all the powers at our disposal to PoE scum in the light by telling us we don't necessarily need to look there. Math's trying to keep the door open while we are trying to close it and narrow things down.

Really?
Because to me, Math is coming across as "I AM BANGING MY HEAD ON A WALL OH MY GOD WHY IS NO ONE LISTENING TO ME."

[A2]

Creature hella town by that good shit meta

and according to RC and Bulba, BTD that good good town AF

HEY
Do you have any reads of your own?

[A2]

I just noticed that most of my scumreads are in dark.
wtf.

[A2]

@A2: 1.) We don't know what those boons are capable of doing. For all we know, they could just be an additional power that only an individual scum can use, which is what the rules makes it sound like. If that's the case, nothings changed in regards to how we're hunting. If it's not, then we'll figure it out, but they still have to be in the light to use it, so, nothing's still changed in how we're hunting. 2.) Math is using the boon argument to say that non-light scum could have done any or all of what we have evidence of. In other words, Math is still trying to discredit the act of using all the powers at our disposal to PoE scum in the light by telling us we don't necessarily need to look there. Math's trying to keep the door open while we are trying to close it and narrow things down.

Really?
Because to me, Math is coming across as "I AM BANGING MY HEAD ON A WALL OH MY GOD WHY IS NO ONE LISTENING TO ME."

All Math has been talking about is mechanics, mechanics, mechanics. And the thing is, all that mechanical talk should be pointing to the same conclusion: Confirmed scum in Light. There's a small list of who it could be. Find the scumball.

But Math is more interested in the mechanics than in finding the scum, and furthermore, they are more interested in talking about how there is sooo much more scum outside of light, so we should keep our options open. That's it. Nothing on BTD, who we're supposed to believe is a top scumread. If Math was really banging their head against the wall, it'd be more in relation to that. But no, it's just mechanic talk that boils down to telling us to not necessarily look in light when we know for sure there is confirmed scum in a very small area. So yeah, not at all what you're saying there at all.

See
the thing here is

Math is talking about mechanics
becasue they're getting pushed for reasons
and are focused on deflecting those reasons.

And I thought they had talked abit about BTD. I guess I'll look at what you're talking about in regards to that.

But either way I interpret it as Math banging their head against a wall because no one cares about what they had to say.
Not to mention, what is there to push right now?
BTD isn't here.
He isn't posting.
So you tell me man.

[A2]

I thought I already implied that I think Math is town and I like their response to the pushes because it comes off as frustrated town!Math.

[A2]

I thought I already implied that I think Math is town and I like their response to the pushes because it comes off as frustrated town!Math.

Like, I thought this was obvious by how I was defending Math.
Hello?

[A2]

Hey Cowbells
give me one good reason why I shouldn't vote Narna right now.
Because I'm bored with this Titus wagon.

[A2]

I'm going to bully you

If this entails torture RC can bully me anyday

VOTE: Narna


OKAY CHOO CHOO MOTHERFUCKERS

[A2]

owo

[A2]

So I decided that I want to kill of Narna today
reason being is very fucking simple.

A. He dropped a vote on BTD and then just fucking left.
B. No one is talking about Narna.


Okay those are top quality reasons lets go kill ourselves some Narnas

[A2]

I'm blushing

[A2]

I cant tell if Titus is poorly trying to emulate her townplay or just plays like a poor emulation of her townplay as scum.

This is still scum btw.

DRamonic BTD6 RC Narna DrC A2 (remote) and RC

Dollars to donuts at least 3 scum in there.

OMG ITS A TITUS!!!!

--

Oh you and Math can have all the discussion that you want I just wanted to have a read on her before I did this.

I love you Titus but bye.

VOTE: Titus

So this isn't about actually sorting me or seeing my process? It's about you trying to piss me off at Math because they have shit for reads, as usual. You've done nothing but try and turn the game against me since you got here. You said let's try and pretend each other town for awhile, but it was just not genuine was it. It's about making noise for BTD to hide in.

Fuck off.

<3<3<3<3<3 =]

I qant to be this post.

Yo
The fucker posts!

Hey
Do you have anything new to contribute to this game
or should I just powerlynch you?

[A2]

Hi my name is Ginngie I am trying to find a way to scumread RadiantCowbells

ftfy

[A2]

In all seriousness that sure is one scummy ass post.

[A2]

nah man
I'm too cute 4 u

pedit: the one I fixed for you.

reeeee

[A2]

lol no.

[A2]

nah man
I'm too cute 4 u

pedit: the one I fixed for you.

reeeee

It was scummy how?

I don't buy that you were genuine interested in what RC was doing, I felt you were just looking for something to scumread him off of.

[A2]

I loathe RCs ability to read an Alisae

[A2]

So I'm not allowed to ask RC questions?
Remind me again Alisae, when was it the last time you defended RC out of the blue when I was talking to him? I can't see to remember the game, help me?

I never said you weren't allowed to ask him questions.
I just said that I thought you weren't really interested in your question and was moreso just looking for a way to scumread him at the time.
Tho tbh I like your response to what RC said and that makes me think I'm a dumbass so good jerb
/me finger guns

[A2]

1. Mathblade
2. Aronis
3. 79 CE
4. Titus
5. Vedith
6. A2
7. Ginngie
8. Bulbazak
10. Creature
11. RadiantCowbells
12. QuantumRadius
13. Rautherdir
14. BTD6_maker
15. Narna
16. texcat
18. dramonic

[A2]

There is scum in that playerlist

look at me
I am contributing
I provided the names of everyone in the game!
are you proud of me yet?

[A2]

Why do you have to shit on what semblence of a TR I had on you before I went to bed?

Someone said half of the playerlist.
So I copy and pasted the whole playerlist and said there was scum in it.

tl;dr I feel like being silly right now I'ma shitpost and post silly stuff

[A2]

Titus
what do I always say about buddying.

[A2]

And if you scumread both me and Narna great!
Look at who I'm voting
and tell me why Narna shouldn't die today.

[A2]

Actually
I just came to the stunning conclusion that the Nos slot is town AND I think I understand who they targetted WITH what action WHICH means
VOTE: Ginngie
Hi lieing scumfuck how are you today?

[A2]

Actually
VOTE: Nos
nvm there was a hole in my theory that I forgot about.

[A2]

Actually
this kinda works.
I think Kelvin knew he was going into Light.

[A2]

Whatever, we can at least give the claimed Cop a chance to prove himself.

UNVOTE: SnarkySnowman
VOTE: EddieFenix

-Kelvin

I feel like this post implies he knew he was being swapped into Light.

[A2]

Mostly because he has some sort of action or method to prove that Snarky was a cop.

[A2]

basicly my origonal theory was that 2573 is Kelvin softing a roleblocking action and him going to use it on Snarky which made me think you were lieing at first because tbh you not jking Snarky and instead jking someone else and then having claimed to jk snarky for towncred is a thing.

Except that implies Kelvin started in light which he didn't, he started in the dark.
However, I feel like 2573 implies that he is going to use some type of action on Snarky to prove that Snarky was a cop.

[A2]

Gin this kinda sounds confusing but am I making sense?

[A2]

Gin
I'll come back and explain when I can organize my thoughts because clearly I can't right now, because I can't even understand what I was trying to say now.

[A2]

if I was going to campaign i would campaign against alisae because his push on btd6 is disignenuous as all hell

Should I just replace out?
like
you campaign for my lynch when we're both town like all of the time.
Did it in that one newbie and you did it in Scout's Everhope Large.

[A2]

Hell
you only try to lynch me when I'm town.

[A2]

More times as town then on scum but whatever.

[A2]

I think
I just need a hug and to chill.

[A2]

I'll be back when I feel better I guess.

[A2]

<3 Cowbells
<3 Ginngie
<3 Titus
<3 nancy

When I don't feel like a shit human being I'll be back
Cowbells you can stay if you want it's just not feeling well atm.

[A2]

Rauth then vote Nos

[A2]

Man if only mafia was that easy.

[A2]

Man if only mafia was that easy.

Now now, you don't get to complain when you can just sit around and watch the town mislynch itself. It plays to your wincon.

Now now, you don't get to shittalk and shut your townreads down, causing more discord. It plays to your wincon.

[A2]

I mean like
from my PoV
Ginngie has a valid concern

[A2]

Also if I get into a sass war with Dramonic, I think I'll gain 1 or 2 sass points.
I need to work on that anyways.

[A2]

Town just means the player is honest, it doesn't mean they're competent.

So wait
it's acceptable to tell your townreads their shit at mafia and that their reads suck instead of working with them to get better at mafia, essentially demoralizing them and bullying them so that they never want to play mafia ever again?

Dam.
If only I knew, the quality of my play would have gone up

[A2]

Town just means the player is honest, it doesn't mean they're competent.

So wait
it's acceptable to tell your townreads their shit at mafia and that their reads suck instead of working with them to get better at mafia, essentially demoralizing them and bullying them so that they never want to play mafia ever again?

Dam.
If only I knew, the quality of my play would have gone up

You say that like I'd WANT them to play again..

I mean like hey
playing mafia is a mistake

so like
you should get a community service medal for sucessfully getting people to not play mafia

[A2]

Dramonic just wondering,
have you ever heard of a concept such as teamwork?

[A2]

I only do that to players who have been here long enough that they shouldn't be this bad still.
I would make a cancer metaphor but it'd be really skimming the line.
Just imagine a metaphor.

Didn't Bambi and Thumper and friends teach you in the forest that if you can't say something nice, don't say nothin' at all?

[A2]

oh...
....
....
wow.

Now that certainly changes the mood.

[A2]

VOTE: Mathblade

Because BTD claimed something.

Why do you think the claim is coming from town?