Night and Day Mafia (Game Over)

[Bulbazak]

Yeah. Massclaim may be beneficial here.

Town Reporter. Since I never said it outside of the Light PT. It's already been said what I do.

[Bulbazak]

[Bulbazak]

List of Claims

Quantum - Role Cop
A2 - Desperado
Titus - Bodyguard
Creature - Doctor
Bulbazak - Reporter
Vedith - Investigative (Follower)
Aronis - Investigative
Dramonic - ???
Texcat - ???

[Bulbazak]

That's all the claims so far. Never said all of them were confirmed.

P-edit: Dram said no such thing. He was trying to counterclaim Gin while in the dark. I don't give much weight to anything that was said.

[Bulbazak]

Yeah, and that was mostly my fault. D4 caught me off guard, so there's no record in the main thread of what was going on from n3 onward. If you have any questions, we can answer them.

[Bulbazak]

Titus, can you talk to me about what I asked you about?

[Bulbazak]

I can't reask in the PT. Scum switched me.

[Bulbazak]

I missed what a reporter is. Could you explain it again?

I investigate a player and find out if they used an action or not. I get back either that they used at least one action, they used no action, or no result.

And it seems QR has proven that they are a rolecop? Is there some reason to think that they are town rolecop instead of scum rolecop?

His insistence on bringing A2 over points strongly towards town.

P-edit: Dawn

[Bulbazak]

@Titus: Maybe you can see what I'm missing. 1.) Math was probably telling the truth about their actions, so they would have redirected Snarky to BTD. I don't believe scum would RB BTD, so that means Gin was sent there. Nos would more than likely RB you, because I think Math thinks very highly of their ability to see crumbs, and I think you would have been a high priority target (see the initial move to keep you from protecting). That leaves an ability unaccounted for. Do you think Math tells the truth about what it is? If so, why would Math follow through with their targeting? If not, what misdirectional ability could Creature have that wouldn't interfere with Math's redirect? 2.) If Creature is scum, why doesn't he kill Gin on n2? There would have been no protectives in the PT, and I'm pretty sure Math would know that. Why shoot off then? Couldn't they have achieved the same thing by just killing Gin and framing me for it? 3.) Why kill 79CE? Nancy was Creature's biggest defender. Why would scum kill them? All that would do is ensure the Creature lynch happens.

That VC is also still bugging me, but we can talk more about that later. I'd really like to connect, because I really think we're close here.

This was 2 pages ago.

[Bulbazak]

List of Claims

Quantum - Role Cop
A2 - Desperado
Titus - Bodyguard
Creature - Doctor
Bulbazak - Reporter
Vedith - Investigative (Follower)
Aronis - Investigative
Dramonic - ???
Texcat - Miscellaneous

Updated

[Bulbazak]

This is a list of all the different types of roles on the Mafiascum wiki. I don't think that Mastin is playing strictly to this categorization, though.

[Bulbazak]

List of Claims

Quantum - Role Cop
A2 - Desperado
Titus - Bodyguard
Creature - Doctor
Bulbazak - Reporter
Vedith - Investigative (Follower)
Aronis - Investigative
Dramonic - Protective/Manipulative
Texcat - Miscellaneous

Updated & Final

[Bulbazak]

and aronis claimed linked or something

Aronis claimed investigative. The mason thing was sarcastic.

[Bulbazak]

All my reservations are suddenly going away.

[Bulbazak]

@Titus: I just looked at VC 18, which, as you know, has been bothering me since d1. I then started to go backwards VC by VC. And everything just clicked.

Vote Creature

Look back, and you'll see who the last remaining scum are.

[Bulbazak]

He says, while ignoring that I successfully scumread Math starting on d2, or that I had to strongarm their lynch d3. But yeah, keep taking everything out of context and going with the script.

[Bulbazak]

Also, how does my town flip confirms QR as scum?

I would have thought town-you'd have figured that out by now. From your perspective, Quantum should be confirmed scum.

[Bulbazak]

Here. Start with this pool left over from n1. Work out loud from there.

{Quantum, Creature, Titus}

[Bulbazak]

Here. Start with this pool left over from n1. Work out loud from there.

{Quantum, Creature, Titus}

don't forget yourself, you are in no way cleared rn

I wasn't in the light n1.

Why is Titus cleared btw? Her being BG doesn't make her town.

If she's bodyguard, then absolutely it means she's town. But you wouldn't be looking for a bodyguard. So bigger question: Do you think Titus is a bodyguard?

[Bulbazak]

The mafia, however, have received

full safeclaims

which hold the exact format of actual town role PMs.

[Bulbazak]

Bulbazak, what do you think that happened with your investigation?

Someone tampered with it. I've PoE'd down to you.

I gave you a chance to get there, but you failed the town thought process test.

[Bulbazak]

Except there's only 2 possibilities for bus driver, and you're ignoring both of them and accepting their claimed roles. From your perspective, Quantum should automatically be scum to you, as by clearing Titus, that leaves just him as a scum possibility. Either he's a scum busdriver who cleared Titus to keep cover as a role cop, or he's a scum role cop who is scum with Titus the scum busdriver. That's where you should naturally go, but you've gone everywhere but and refused to vote who should be confirmed scum to you.

So yeah, I do think someone tampered with my results. I think it was someone in {Quantum, Creature, Titus}. And given the clears, we're down to you.

[Bulbazak]

uhhhhhh
Titus isn't cleared if Quantum flips scum.
You know this right?

It depends on which role Quantum flips. If Quantum would flip scum role cop, Titus is 100% guaranteed to be scum. If Quantum would flip scum busdriver, he could have very well have cleared Titus to set up Creature. Regardless, the point is that from Creature's perspective, he should be seeing Quantum as 100% scum and not actually believe either of their claims.

[Bulbazak]

I'm pointing out the dissonance in Creature's beliefs. The whole discussion about roles means nothing.

[Bulbazak]

I decided to stop chasing boons as possible explanations. That's only led to disaster so far, and I'm starting to think it's just not worth it.

[Bulbazak]

If I flip town how are you going to explain it?

I don't think that's going to happen. If you were town, you'd have voted right now. You haven't. If you were town, you'd trust your instinct that something stopped you and be looking for that. You wouldn't be trusting claims as much as you are. You would be looking for shenanigans, but that's not what's happening here. You're not town trying to fight an unjust lynch. Instead, you're just trying to obfuscate.

If I am town doctor, we have light with:
Confirmed BG
Confirmed Desperado
Practically confirmed rolecop
You

So either it's a factional boon or it's you.

Or someone is lying about their roles. Or the same person who messed with actions in the light n1 is the same who messed with actions in the light n3. All of this should have occurred to you as town, and you've talked it up in the dark PT, but when push comes to shove, you avoid pushing it. If you were town thinking someone messed with your role n3, you'd be trying to figure out what happened, and you wouldn't take any role claim at face value. Yet you have, because you know them to be true. There's dissonance between what you know to be true and what you're trying to portray as true, and it's showing.

Boons have been used too much to try to explain away inconsistencies during the night. Math tried to blame boons d2 and d3. I called her out on it. When Math flipped redirector, I tried to reassure myself that boons must account for n1 not completely adding up, and that Math was just able to use a 1-shot busdriver or something. I wanted desperately for the town block to be right. I got a hard reality check the next day. And now we're back here with you trying to blame boons for the night actions. I don't think that's ever been the case. They're probably something passive, which would account for Mastin not flipping them, and even if they're not, I'm done trying to figure them out. I'm going back to playing basic Mafia, because I think this is definitely role related, and there's a pattern to believe this is the case. Boons are a red herring, and I'm done chasing them. There was some sort of manipulative role that was unaccounted for n1. It struck again n3, because my result was not accurate. I wasn't there n1, so good try, but not good enough. 3 names left, and you botched it. Going after the boon explanation means you're at the end of your rope.

Also, there's still your investigation mess-up.

My role was interfered with in some way on n3. Ever since the flip d4, I've been trying to figure out who did it. The pool of 3 I presented were the only players left from the light n1. I narrowed it down to you and Titus. Quantum took it the rest of the way. You even started by saying "Hey, there can only be one explanation, and that is busdriver based on what happened with Bulba's result and my protect.", but you've never acted on it. And now you're attacking me when I call you out on it. The progression there doesn't line up.

[Bulbazak]

A2, you've never voted Creature. You might want to get on that.

[Bulbazak]

It wouldn't surprise me to find you on another counterwagon.

[Bulbazak]

I thought that since it wasn't bolded, Mastin wouldn't count it. However, I just looked back and saw that I was wrong.

[Bulbazak]

I also might have been looking at the wrong post. Go me.

[Bulbazak]

A2, from your perspective we have outted scum in bulba, but you'd rather lynch creature when we have a rolecop that can confirm him and a bodyguard that can stop the rolecop from dying.
Please stop yelling at people about quality.

Oh ffs. There's guaranteed scum in {Creature, Quantum, Titus}. Quantum is a claimed role cop that is essentially confirmed at this point (Vedith can drive that confirmation all the way once he's in the Light.). Titus was cleared by Quantum as a Bodyguard. That leaves Creature. This isn't rocket science. Quit trying to get people off of conf. scum!

Bulba already scumclaimed by faking a guilty anyways.

Also, can someone confirm to me if Nos was scum read in the light before A2 shot him?

Gin blocked Nos n2 and told A2 to shoot him.

I did notice that bulbasuar said that Titus is 100% scum with QR as scum too.

Worded badly
If QR is scum, then Titus is scum 100%.

Stop cherry picking what I said. That's happening a lot today, and it's annoying, because scum are doing it to their advantage and A2 is doing it because she can't get her head out of her rectum. I said that in the event that Quantum is scum

and flips role cop

, Titus is scum 100%. Otherwise, it's not as certain, and probably just a fake clear for appearances.

And yes he would because I am still of the opinion that Math v Bulba was a SvS with the intention of MathBlade being the lynch at the end of the day.

Are you high?! Your assumption is that Math and I got together, looked at how well we're doing with 2 mislynches, saw one of our partners get shot, and then said, "Hey! You know what'd be great? What if we just collectively drove this scum team into the ground for lols!". That's insane, A2, and it completely ignores all of what happened d3, which you are so willing to do. Everyone is willing to talk about the mislynches that happened d1 & d2, or the early d3 shot, or the disaster that was d4, but no one wants to talk about the main conflict of d3 and what it means or even that there are a lot of unanswered questions about n1. You are so willing to swallow a pill of what you want to believe, that you are willing to cut out most of the game to do so.

Dramonic is trying to goad you off of scum. Whether that means he's scum, a troll, or just idiotic tunneling town, I don't know. Your theory is that I'm scum who decided to throw away all the advantages I had when I was winning for no reason whatsoever. Meanwhile, Gin is still dead, and there is Creature still living who was supposed to protect him. Now you either believe he's a doctor or not. If not, he's scum, guaranteed. If you do, than it's Quantum. There's no middle ground. And don't use this to try to say "Bulba thinks Quantum is scum!", because that's not what I'm saying and that's not what I think. I think it's Creature. But I'm in PoE mode, so I have to admit the other possibility, however unlikely.

P-edit: We coordinated our actions. After d3, I let the group decide where I was going to investigate to prove my role. My only caveat was someone needed to be on Dramonic. Gin agreed to JK Dramonic, and she told me to investigate TWIE, which I agreed to.

[Bulbazak]

Oh ffs. There's guaranteed scum in {Creature, Quantum, Titus}. Quantum is a claimed role cop that is essentially confirmed at this point (Vedith can drive that confirmation all the way once he's in the Light.). Titus was cleared by Quantum as a Bodyguard. That leaves Creature. This isn't rocket science. Quit trying to get people off of conf. scum!

The guarantee is because Snarky died N1, right? We know that KFB/Nos was scum roleblocker in the light N1 and we know that Mathblade was scum redirector in the light N1, and we know that scum have boons. Can you explain the guarantee of another scum for the slow-witted in the dark?

Roleblocker and redirector by themselves do not explain the events of n1. I was trying to figure it out during d3, and I couldn't get things to line up with just those 2 roles and 3 protective roles. Then n3, someone messed with my investigation, which tells me that whoever it was is partially responsible for what went down n1 and is a scum manipulative. There are only 3 left: {Creature, Quantum, Titus}. Boons don't account for this because 1.) There's evidence this ability was used on multiple nights, which points to a more permanent ability and 2.) I don't really think boons work that way and we're putting way too much emphasis on them than is necessary. This means that we're looking for a permanent role. With Titus cleared by Quantum's role cop, that narrows down the field to {Creature, Quantum}, and unless you have good reason to doubt Quantum, that only leaves Creature.

P-edit: @Vedith: I don't think Quantum is scum. Do you think that even if he was scum, he'd still be a role cop?

[Bulbazak]

Yes. QR is a role cop regardless of alignment.

Then for you, it's really simple. If Quantum is a town role cop, Creature has to be scum. If Quantum is a scum role cop, Titus has to be scum as well.

[Bulbazak]

Here's today in a nut shell: Do you believe Creature is a doctor? Y/N

If yes

, then somebody interfered with Creature's protect of Gin. It would be the same role that is unexplained from n1, since redirector + roleblocker doesn't explain everything that happened with Creature present as a doctor. Titus and Quantum are the only other people from the light n1 still alive. Quantum cleared Titus as a bodyguard. That leaves Quantum.

Vote Quantum.

If no

, then Gin died after Creature was supposed to protect him. That means Creature knew Gin was unguarded and killed him.

Vote Creature.

If I can find some paper and a scanner, I might make a flow chart to make this easier on you guys.

[Bulbazak]

Btw, why is Titus cleared from having a factional boon that interfered my protect on Ginn?

I don't think boons are that powerful. I could buy them being passive, or 1-shot, or even a one night upgrade, but I don't buy them being an additional role. And given that if you were a doctor, the same ability that stopped you or Titus (whoever wasn't RB'd) on n1 would have to be the same ability that interfered with you on n3. That means you should be looking for a role, not a boon. And if that's the case, there's only 2 other people who were in the light PT with you on n1: Quantum and Titus. And given that Quantum just cleared Titus, that means that Quantum

has

to be scum from your perspective. But you're not treating him like that, and you're believing his claim. So I'm not buying that you're actually a town doctor here.

For anyone besides Bulbazak surely

Do you think something could have messed up Bulbazak's results? What would be it?

I think he faked a guilty.
If he's town there's a busdriver and we can start hunting for that.

I think you have your head up your butt. But the question remains: Do you believe Creature is a doctor? Y/N

A2, I'll drag you kicking and screaming on yet another scum lynch if I have to. Get your act together.

[Bulbazak]

Awww.... And I just made a flow chart and everything.

[Bulbazak]

Make sure you bring Vedith to the Light. I want to tell him one last thing after the flip, though.

[Bulbazak]

<3 Titus

[Bulbazak]

[Bulbazak]

[Bulbazak]

I'll drag A2 to a town win, even if it's kicking and screaming.

[Bulbazak]

I think it's confirmation bias. The sad part is that she already sees that I'm town, but she just won't accept it.

[Bulbazak]

I mean, it's not that hard to see that my focus has been on finding the scum that messed with my role since d4 ended. Creature should have been the same way, but he wasn't. There was a lot of dissonance in how he approached things today.

[Bulbazak]

A2, you lying scumball! Texcat was the last one to post in the Light, and she claimed to hide behind Quantum!

[Bulbazak]

Which means I've been moved into a modified scum PT during Lylo. Great.

[Bulbazak]

*Mylo

[Bulbazak]

Also, A2 was the one that strongarmed the Texcat move. Titus was against it, but went with it because Mastin imposed a deadline.

Also, Titus was my biggest supporter in the Light. Huh, I wonder how that sounds familiar...*cough*Nancy*cough*

[Bulbazak]

Vote QuantumRadius

[Bulbazak]

After a full dusk phase where she didn't trust anyone over in the Light? Yeah, right.

[Bulbazak]

Those in the Light Night 1

Ginngie - Town Jailkeeper
Creature - Town Doctor
Titus - Town Bodyguard
BTD6 - Town Tracker
Snarky - Town Cop

Quantum - Claimed Role Cop

Mathblade - Mafia Redirector
Nosferatu - Mafia Roleblocker

Math and Nos alone

DO NOT

explain the Snarky kill. Let's say that both Math and Nos used their abilities on one of the protective roles. Math would have to redirect Gin to BTD6, which would explain the "no result" BTD got. Nos would then roleblock either Titus or Creature. Let's say Titus, since that'd be the most likely, given Math's belief in their ability to read roles. That still leaves Creature's protect not going through unaccounted for. THIS MEANS THAT SOMEONE ELSE IN THE LIGHT THAT NIGHT HELPED STOP THE KILL! Add in the fact that Creature's protect was bypassed n3, and that my result was tampered with, and that means that we have a busdriver that was in the light both nights. And there's only one person who fits the bill: Quantum. Even if you don't believe my claim, you still have to explain what happened to Creature n3 and what happened in the light n1. And again, there's only one name left both times: Quantum. Add in the Texcat claim at the end of the Light thread, where she said that she was hiding behind Quantum, and there's no doubt here.

QUANTUM IS SCUM AND THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD HAVE INTERFERED WITH ACTION BOTH NIGHT 1 AND NIGHT 2.

This isn't freaking rocket science, and A2 knows it. Which is why she's trying to distract from the obvious. There is no other way to explain what happens, and at no point has A2 tried arguing that. Even freaking Titus knew it, and she was fighting A2 tooth and nail during dusk yesterday. She hadn't narrowed it down to A2 yet (she thought the second scum was Vedith), but she had reached the conclusion of Quantum-scum and was hard defending me. Scum have been trying to set me up to be the kill since d3. I stopped them that day, but they've manipulated the events since to achieve this goal.

So choose wisely, because this is your last chance. You can lynch Quantum, who is scum confirmed by the events of the game and PoE. Or you can trust the word of A2, which is all you have, and lynch me. Both end the game. One nets you the scum team. The other gives scum the win. This day is just as important as d3 was. I just hope that the rest of you trust me this time around as well.

[Bulbazak]

YOU CAN'T NARROW DOWN SOMEONE WHO IS SCUM WHEN THEY ARE LITTERALLY MOD CONFIRMABLE TOWN
THAT'S WHAT A DESPERADO IS.

Except there is just your word and Quantum's that you're Desperado. Just like it's just your word that Texcat hid behind me. All we know for sure is that you shot Nos, and that could either be due to a boon or a vig-like ability.

FROM THEIR TERRIBLE DRAMONIC PUSH

"Hey Dram! Why are you avoiding giving reasoning for your reads? Why are you dancing around saying who you town or scum read?" Yeah. Such a bad push.

FROM THEIR DAY 2 TWIE PUSH

Yeah. I kneejerked. Everyone has been doing that all game. Your point?

FROM THEIR TERRIBLE SURFACE LEVEL TITUS READ WHO TOWNREAD TITUS FOR BEING SWAPPED INTO THE DARK

Except I was townreading her d2 as well. I even hard fought against her lynch. And that was BEFORE she was moved into the dark. That move just confirmed things for me.

FROM THEIR SVS AND THEM HARDBUSSING MATHBLADE WHO SETUP UP THE BULLSHIT THEY NEEDED TO SETUP TO GET BULBA THIS FAR

Oh please. If anyone is town and believes that was SvS, and that Math and I decided to collectively commit suicide, then they just need to stop playing Mafia.

FROM THEIR FAKED GUILTY ON TWIE

Because with Creature's protect being bypassed, there's no way my result was tampered with. The fact is that the thought has never crossed your mind. And you haven't reevaluated since Creature's death. You are focused on a goal of lynching me, not on gamesolving.

FROM THEM KILLING NANCY

FROM THEM LINING UP LYNCHES AND PUSHING THE FALSE DICHOTOMY THAT THERE IS ONE SCUM IN {CREATURE, QUANTUM} WHERE THERE IS NO SCUM IN THERE AT ALL

HOW DID SNARKY DIE? YOU'VE BEEN AVOIDING THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T ANSWER IT AND STILL LOGICALLY SELL QUANTUM IS TOWN.

FROM SHOOTING ME SO I WOULDN'T GET IN THEIR WAY

Why in the world would I ever want to shoot you? Based on the dark, you wouldn't even be a problem for scum-me. You do know everyone there was planning on flipping the script on you today, right?

TO FAKING A FUCKING GUILTY AGAIN BUT ON QUANTUM TO GET HIS GAMEWINNING LYNCH.

I'm not the one lying about Texcat's target.

Also he litterally just claimed scum in Light.
As in
He basicly gave up.

He has no chance of winning this and he knows this.
Vote Bulba, it's a free scum lynch.

You do know that while I can't quote Texcat, I can quote myself, right?

Well played game you two. Killing your own useless team mate was a nice touch. Mastin would be proud.

[Bulbazak]

A. THERE IS ALSO A DEAD NOSFERATU THAT PROVES I AM A DESPERADO

No. That means that you had the ability to shoot someone. It doesn't prove squat about your role or alignment.

B. Yeah it's actually something easy to grab onto. You weren't analyzing why he was doing it or what he was trying to convey, you were jus pushing he was dancing around his reads.

Yeah, it's not like I repeatedly engaged him or tried to nail down his actual reads. It's not like I engaged him on Aronis and explained why I was townreading there. Stop peddling this bull crap that I wasn't analyzing anything regarding Dramonic. That's all I was doing, and the rest of the game is in the dark, so they can read that for themselves.

C. It was an extremely scummy push.

Whatever.

D. THAT IS SURFACE LEVEL SHIT BEING MOVED INTO DARK DOES NOT CONFIRM PEOPLE AS TOWN.

I notice that you're avoiding that whole me townreading Titus beforehand part.

E. Um, that's the point behind hardbussing. To make it seem like you wouldn't do that. Except you did. You wanted to hardbus Math for the cred.

After Nos was shot?!

F. Yeah no one tampered with your result you just went out and faked a guilty.

You can keep shouting that, but that still doesn't make it true. If it was true, I'd continue to trust in my results. I haven't. The fact is that Creature flipping town increases the chance of me being an investigative whose result was tampered with. But you've never reevaluated or considered that. Granted, that'd be hard with you being scum pushing an agenda.

G. You know your crimes scum -_-

You're just stretching for points now.

H. I really do not buy that for a second and you are lieing again to get me to trip up. Reason being Texcat would have mentioned it. Reason being Vedith would have mentioned it. He would have sounded like he scumread me before he actually payed attention to Texcat's flip. You would have opened differently if that was the case. It isn't.

"Flipped the script" meaning ignoring the obvious Bulba setup and lynching Quantum. There was a whole discussion where we were trying to figure out what was going on and all not really 100% trusting each other. Texcat wouldn't have said anything, because she didn't trust anyone in the Light. Hence why she said she was hiding behind Quantum just before deadline ended. As for Vedith, he's not really thinking things through. I'm hoping that changes, and he realizes what's happening.

I. Yeah you are dude, you need that to score your game winning lynch.

H. Okay, that's still a scumclaim though. You're basicly giving up there. That's what that boils down to. That's admitting you lost.

Yes, me commenting on you killing your own team mate is a confession.

Oh yeah
Snarky died because of a Strongman.

Please stop hiding behind MathBlade's bullshit.

Okay, how did Gin die on n3?

[Bulbazak]

So who is supposedly my partner?

[Bulbazak]

I am. Hence why I'm voting you. I've been looking for a busdriver, and been vocal about it, since n4.

[Bulbazak]

I mean, that's literally all I've been doing for the past couple of day phases. That's what my entire PoE falls down to.

[Bulbazak]

"If you were town, you'd be doing that thing you've been doing for awhile now and that you did at the top of this page. SCUM!"

[Bulbazak]

Those in the Light Night 1

Ginngie - Town Jailkeeper
Creature - Town Doctor
Titus - Town Bodyguard
BTD6 - Town Tracker
Snarky - Town Cop

Quantum - Claimed Role Cop

Mathblade - Mafia Redirector
Nosferatu - Mafia Roleblocker

Math and Nos alone

DO NOT

explain the Snarky kill. Let's say that both Math and Nos used their abilities on one of the protective roles. Math would have to redirect Gin to BTD6, which would explain the "no result" BTD got. Nos would then roleblock either Titus or Creature. Let's say Titus, since that'd be the most likely, given Math's belief in their ability to read roles. That still leaves Creature's protect not going through unaccounted for. THIS MEANS THAT SOMEONE ELSE IN THE LIGHT THAT NIGHT HELPED STOP THE KILL! Add in the fact that Creature's protect was bypassed n3, and that my result was tampered with, and that means that we have a busdriver that was in the light both nights. And there's only one person who fits the bill: Quantum. Even if you don't believe my claim, you still have to explain what happened to Creature n3 and what happened in the light n1. And again, there's only one name left both times: Quantum. Add in the Texcat claim at the end of the Light thread, where she said that she was hiding behind Quantum, and there's no doubt here.

QUANTUM IS SCUM AND THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD HAVE INTERFERED WITH ACTION BOTH NIGHT 1 AND NIGHT 2.

This isn't freaking rocket science, and A2 knows it. Which is why she's trying to distract from the obvious. There is no other way to explain what happens, and at no point has A2 tried arguing that. Even freaking Titus knew it, and she was fighting A2 tooth and nail during dusk yesterday. She hadn't narrowed it down to A2 yet (she thought the second scum was Vedith), but she had reached the conclusion of Quantum-scum and was hard defending me. Scum have been trying to set me up to be the kill since d3. I stopped them that day, but they've manipulated the events since to achieve this goal.

So choose wisely, because this is your last chance. You can lynch Quantum, who is scum confirmed by the events of the game and PoE. Or you can trust the word of A2, which is all you have, and lynch me. Both end the game. One nets you the scum team. The other gives scum the win. This day is just as important as d3 was. I just hope that the rest of you trust me this time around as well.

[Bulbazak]

I will post this until the end of time.

[Bulbazak]

You're not a role cop. Gin and Titus had already claimed by the time you gave those results. Only A2 can back you up on her role, and it's obvious she's lying. And Aronis and Vedith can not confirm that you're correct there. With Aronis, you already knew he was an investigative, and you could have easily guessed with Vedith.

[Bulbazak]

"Hey guys! I've only given results that were publicly known or that can't be confirmed. The only other person who backs me up is obviously working with me. I'm totally confirmed, guys! Nothing shady here!"

[Bulbazak]

"Ignore that whole me being there when protects were bypassed both times thing. I'm sure it's nothing."

[Bulbazak]

And hey, let's just ignore that the only person who was hard defending me in the light was killed, just like Nancy was killed right before the day Creature was lynched. Yeah, that can't be suspicious at all. And hey, she must have died protecting A2, who she was arguing with during the entire duration of the night, and not protecting me, which she said she was going to do. I mean, she couldn't have possibly been the target herself, could she? And hey, wouldn't you know that she's now mysteriously dead and can't back up anything about what was said in the Light PT last night? Nah, it must mean nothing.

[Bulbazak]

Those in the Light Night 1

Ginngie - Town Jailkeeper
Creature - Town Doctor
Titus - Town Bodyguard
BTD6 - Town Tracker
Snarky - Town Cop

Quantum - Claimed Role Cop

Mathblade - Mafia Redirector
Nosferatu - Mafia Roleblocker

Math and Nos alone

DO NOT

explain the Snarky kill. Let's say that both Math and Nos used their abilities on one of the protective roles. Math would have to redirect Gin to BTD6, which would explain the "no result" BTD got. Nos would then roleblock either Titus or Creature. Let's say Titus, since that'd be the most likely, given Math's belief in their ability to read roles. That still leaves Creature's protect not going through unaccounted for. THIS MEANS THAT SOMEONE ELSE IN THE LIGHT THAT NIGHT HELPED STOP THE KILL! Add in the fact that Creature's protect was bypassed n3, and that my result was tampered with, and that means that we have a busdriver that was in the light both nights. And there's only one person who fits the bill: Quantum. Even if you don't believe my claim, you still have to explain what happened to Creature n3 and what happened in the light n1. And again, there's only one name left both times: Quantum. Add in the Texcat claim at the end of the Light thread, where she said that she was hiding behind Quantum, and there's no doubt here.

QUANTUM IS SCUM AND THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD HAVE INTERFERED WITH ACTION BOTH NIGHT 1 AND NIGHT 2.

This isn't freaking rocket science, and A2 knows it. Which is why she's trying to distract from the obvious. There is no other way to explain what happens, and at no point has A2 tried arguing that. Even freaking Titus knew it, and she was fighting A2 tooth and nail during dusk yesterday. She hadn't narrowed it down to A2 yet (she thought the second scum was Vedith), but she had reached the conclusion of Quantum-scum and was hard defending me. Scum have been trying to set me up to be the kill since d3. I stopped them that day, but they've manipulated the events since to achieve this goal.

So choose wisely, because this is your last chance. You can lynch Quantum, who is scum confirmed by the events of the game and PoE. Or you can trust the word of A2, which is all you have, and lynch me. Both end the game. One nets you the scum team. The other gives scum the win. This day is just as important as d3 was. I just hope that the rest of you trust me this time around as well.

[Bulbazak]

"You think I'd claim an obviously safe fake claim that the mod provided? What are you crazy? Wiki? I've never even heard of it! What do you mean you guys have been talking about it all game? And it's not like I have partners to help me out or anything. "

[Bulbazak]

Me: "How did Snarky die with 3 protectives on him?"
Quantum/A2: "Scum had a strongman boon."
Me: "Then how did scum get past Creature to kill Gin?"
Quantum/A2: "Uh...Why aren't you shouting about a busdriver?!"

[Bulbazak]

Quantum/A2: "Bulba is scum because he faked a guilty!"
Me: "Scum bypassed Creature to kill Gin. It's obvious my result was tampered with."
Quantum/A2: "Texcat hid behind Bulba and died!"
Me: "The target is unverifiable, because the only ones who know who Texcat hid behind are the three of us, and we're giving two different targets. The only other person who could verify is dead. And it just so happens that scum decided to move the target of the supposed guilty into the light. What a coincidence..."
Quantum/A2: "Bulba vs. Math was SvS!"
Me: "You've got to be kidding me... You think Math-scum and me-scum decided it'd be best to commit collective suicide right after our partner was shot, reducing our numbers by half in one day? When we were winning?! I'm sure it had nothing to do with my pushing Math on d2. And I'm sure if we were trying to hard bus for town cred, Math would have actually gone through with the supposed guilty, instead of finding the quickest way off (which so happened to be provided by A2). Sure, let's ignore that I was dumping as much information as I could while trying to solve the game, information that damns Quantum now. Let's ignore the build up and the relief following. That must all be fake. Pay no attention, am I right?"
Quantum/A2: "Well, uh...Look at these pushes that you made that will cast you in a bad light! Ooh! Aah!"
Me: "We're done here."

[Bulbazak]

Aronis. She's not town. She's lying about Texcat's target. Texcat stated she was hiding behind Quantum right before deadline.

[Bulbazak]

So you're saying alisae/quantum are basically confscum?

Yes, they're conf. scum. As for Texcat, think about what was going on in the dark before she left. It makes perfect sense after that why she'd choose Quantum.

[Bulbazak]

That's why I said this game is over no matter what. Today's Mylo. Believe A2/Quantum and lynch me, scum wins. Believe me, look at the PoE and my mindset, lynch one of the 2, the other is conf. scum and lynched the next day, town wins. That's what today is, Aronis: A choice between winning and losing.

[Bulbazak]

The time stamp for Texcat's final post is 2:57am EST. In case anyone was curious.

[Bulbazak]

Those in the Light Night 1

Ginngie - Town Jailkeeper
Creature - Town Doctor
Titus - Town Bodyguard
BTD6 - Town Tracker
Snarky - Town Cop

Quantum - Claimed Role Cop

Mathblade - Mafia Redirector
Nosferatu - Mafia Roleblocker

Math and Nos alone

DO NOT

explain the Snarky kill. Let's say that both Math and Nos used their abilities on one of the protective roles. Math would have to redirect Gin to BTD6, which would explain the "no result" BTD got. Nos would then roleblock either Titus or Creature. Let's say Titus, since that'd be the most likely, given Math's belief in their ability to read roles. That still leaves Creature's protect not going through unaccounted for. THIS MEANS THAT SOMEONE ELSE IN THE LIGHT THAT NIGHT HELPED STOP THE KILL! Add in the fact that Creature's protect was bypassed n3, and that my result was tampered with, and that means that we have a busdriver that was in the light both nights. And there's only one person who fits the bill: Quantum. Even if you don't believe my claim, you still have to explain what happened to Creature n3 and what happened in the light n1. And again, there's only one name left both times: Quantum. Add in the Texcat claim at the end of the Light thread, where she said that she was hiding behind Quantum, and there's no doubt here.

QUANTUM IS SCUM AND THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD HAVE INTERFERED WITH ACTION BOTH NIGHT 1 AND NIGHT 2.

This isn't freaking rocket science, and A2 knows it. Which is why she's trying to distract from the obvious. There is no other way to explain what happens, and at no point has A2 tried arguing that. Even freaking Titus knew it, and she was fighting A2 tooth and nail during dusk yesterday. She hadn't narrowed it down to A2 yet (she thought the second scum was Vedith), but she had reached the conclusion of Quantum-scum and was hard defending me. Scum have been trying to set me up to be the kill since d3. I stopped them that day, but they've manipulated the events since to achieve this goal.

So choose wisely, because this is your last chance. You can lynch Quantum, who is scum confirmed by the events of the game and PoE. Or you can trust the word of A2, which is all you have, and lynch me. Both end the game. One nets you the scum team. The other gives scum the win. This day is just as important as d3 was. I just hope that the rest of you trust me this time around as well.

[Bulbazak]

I really thought Dramonic was scum. But sometimes reality isn't what you think, and it's a lot more disappointing.

[Bulbazak]

I've had Vedith as town since d3.

[Bulbazak]

I've said my peace for the most part. I can be more snarky if you want.

[Bulbazak]

How can QR and A2 be Scum when both are proven on roles and Creatures protect didn't work?

Except their roles are not proven. They've self-confirmed each other. A2 confirmed Quantum by using a day kill ability, and Quantum confirmed A2 by forcing us to bring her into the light dawn 3 (I was wanting to bring Titus back for the protect.). And Creature's protect not working is exactly why Quantum is scum. There's only one other time this game that happened, and that was on the first night. Guess who else was in the light then as well? If your guess was Quantum, you get a cookie.

And no way would Texcat visit either last night.
Texcat would have visited in dark 10/10 times.

Really? After extensive discussion in the dark PT about Quantum being scum and trying to figure out where to go from there? Texcat even asked me to explain more, and I did. Do you really think after a discussion where nobody in the dark trusted anyone in the light, that Texcat would then go to the Light and do what they told her to do?

I don't think A2 is going to fake a guilty here if they know the other Scum.

You don't think so? In Mylo? Where she only needs one mislynch to win? And she's been setting said mislynch up for several days? You don't think she sets up a guilty that no one else can see but her scum partner and the intended target?

You're not a role cop. Gin and Titus had already claimed by the time you gave those results. Only A2 can back you up on her role, and it's obvious she's lying. And Aronis and Vedith can not confirm that you're correct there. With Aronis, you already knew he was an investigative, and you could have easily guessed with Vedith.

Why would they easily guess it?

Mathblade. Remember their whole thing about having already figured out most of the roles?

[Bulbazak]

Although, QR and A2, why did you not take me into light last night?

Titus didn't trust you. A2 said she was hoping Texcat was a JOAT with a vig ability. I think that they didn't want you there regardless, because your ability might not be follower and would essentially serve as a guilty on Quantum. Quantum didn't push especially hard for your inclusion. He just let A2 and Titus fight it out.

Titus actually wanted Dramonic for the protection. Although, she did initially vote for me, but A2 shut that down.

You don't think so? In Mylo? Where she only needs one mislynch to win? And she's been setting said mislynch up for several days? You don't think she sets up a guilty that no one else can see but her scum partner and the intended target?

This part cane out all wrong.
I meant fake a guilty if their town.

A2 is not town. I don't believe she's Katsuki levels of bad. And Katsuki landed on my blacklist for following me from game to game and pulling that stunt.

[Bulbazak]

All a No Lynch accomplishes is to put us back in this situation with one less member of the dark.

[Bulbazak]

True. I just find it sad that you were willing to trust me on Math, but you won't trust me here.

[Bulbazak]

Those in the Light Night 1

Ginngie - Town Jailkeeper
Creature - Town Doctor
Titus - Town Bodyguard
BTD6 - Town Tracker
Snarky - Town Cop

Quantum - Claimed Role Cop

Mathblade - Mafia Redirector
Nosferatu - Mafia Roleblocker

Math and Nos alone

DO NOT

explain the Snarky kill. Let's say that both Math and Nos used their abilities on one of the protective roles. Math would have to redirect Gin to BTD6, which would explain the "no result" BTD got. Nos would then roleblock either Titus or Creature. Let's say Titus, since that'd be the most likely, given Math's belief in their ability to read roles. That still leaves Creature's protect not going through unaccounted for. THIS MEANS THAT SOMEONE ELSE IN THE LIGHT THAT NIGHT HELPED STOP THE KILL! Add in the fact that Creature's protect was bypassed n3, and that my result was tampered with, and that means that we have a busdriver that was in the light both nights. And there's only one person who fits the bill: Quantum. Even if you don't believe my claim, you still have to explain what happened to Creature n3 and what happened in the light n1. And again, there's only one name left both times: Quantum. Add in the Texcat claim at the end of the Light thread, where she said that she was hiding behind Quantum, and there's no doubt here.

QUANTUM IS SCUM AND THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD HAVE INTERFERED WITH ACTION BOTH NIGHT 1 AND NIGHT 2.

This isn't freaking rocket science, and A2 knows it. Which is why she's trying to distract from the obvious. There is no other way to explain what happens, and at no point has A2 tried arguing that. Even freaking Titus knew it, and she was fighting A2 tooth and nail during dusk yesterday. She hadn't narrowed it down to A2 yet (she thought the second scum was Vedith), but she had reached the conclusion of Quantum-scum and was hard defending me. Scum have been trying to set me up to be the kill since d3. I stopped them that day, but they've manipulated the events since to achieve this goal.

So choose wisely, because this is your last chance. You can lynch Quantum, who is scum confirmed by the events of the game and PoE. Or you can trust the word of A2, which is all you have, and lynch me. Both end the game. One nets you the scum team. The other gives scum the win. This day is just as important as d3 was. I just hope that the rest of you trust me this time around as well.

[Bulbazak]

I'll vote no lynch if Aronis and Dramonic will. Otherwise, I'm staying on confirmed scum and wishing the reset of you guys will join me.

P-edit: Yes. It's why Quantum is confirmed scum.

[Bulbazak]

Ya think?

[Bulbazak]

There's a place for you on the Quantum wagon any time you'd like to take it.

[Bulbazak]

I'm going to be snarky all I want. Logic doesn't seem to be working, so I'm letting loose.

[Bulbazak]

I'm going to be snarky all I want. Logic doesn't seem to be working, so I'm letting loose.

Logic says your Scum.
If you want to go down that route.

Shall I vote with logic?

If you've logically come to that conclusion, then you've ignored the whole game. How all 3 protects were circumvented n1 AND how Gin died n3 is still not explained. A2 and Quantum are glossing over that. And the reason is because of what I posted at the top: There's only one name that was present both nights and could have performed both actions. All of this is public information. The hider target, meanwhile, is hidden in the light PT, so you have to take someone's word as to who Texcat visited. So why is their word better and more logical than mine?

[Bulbazak]

A2

,

Mafia

Busdriver

(/

One-shot

Day

-

Vig

)

in the

Light

,

survives and wins

.

QuantumRadius

,

Mafia

Rolecop

(/

Ninja

)

in the

Light

,

survives and wins

.

[Bulbazak]

[Bulbazak]

So, I'll give my thoughts later, but this game has made me consider starting the design process for Ikaruga Mafia 2.

Eddie, I'm going to include you in the design process, because you have a habit of flaking from my games. I'd prefer to have you on the design/review team.

@Ginngie/Mastin: Would you like to help design or review, or are you actually interested in playing when the time comes?

[Bulbazak]

@Ginngie/Mastin: Would you like to help design or review, or are you actually interested in playing when the time comes?

Well I flaked from the first so honestly I want vengeance as a player.

Will just say this. I am planning on doing a lot more with the polarity system.

[Bulbazak]

Sure. Let me bribe the mod.

[Bulbazak]

I've kinda been putting off posting my final thoughts, partly because I haven't really had a lot of time and partly because I'm afraid I'll get a little too aimless. I don't think anyone realizes how close I was to just giving up many times. Scum didn't just discredit me. They beat me down. Worst of all, they isolated me. Night 4 was me railing against boredom. I was starved for good conversation. Ginngie was dead. I distrusted Titus. Ari had promised to talk, and then like the other head of his hydra, he proceeded to give me both middle fingers before never showing up again. In fact, let me get this off my chest.

@Nancy: Do you know how ticked off at you I was every time you whined that no one would talk to you? BECAUSE I TRIED! You changed my mind d1. Did you know that? I had you as a scumread, and you changed my mind. I wanted to talk to you about reads during the night. Remember that? I even asked about your Ginngie read, because I was reavaluating and trying to get a better read there. I tried to talk to you all of d2. But all I got was a "Sure, one moment." before you rolled your eyes and walked away. Every. Single. Time. And on d2, after being put on ignore for so long, I got so frustrated that I blew up at the game and at you and essentially called it quits. And you shrugged and went on complaining. I stopped even trying with you after that point, because I realized how futile it was. And every time you complained, I got so mad at you, because I knew how much of a load of crap that was.

@Ginngie: It was so distressing to me that you townread me, but that you would never fully trust me. You trusted me on my BTD read, but you never trusted me on my Titus read. You didn't trust me to give me time to join you on Nos (Math was right. I would have.). You didn't trust me enough to take a leap of faith on Math, even when you admitted things weren't lining up there. I wanted you so much on that wagon, and it saddened me that you were never willing to go all the way. Do you realize what we could have done if that trust was there from the beginning? We could have had 2 days of consecutive scum lynches and put the scum team on the back foot. But I just needed you to trust me.

And I know there were things I could have done differently. I should have followed my own plan to wait until d2 to fully sort Eddie and not have given into paranoia. I should have pushed harder on d2 to steer the lynch in the direction I wanted it to go after I dismantled the Titus wagon. Maybe BTD wouldn't have happened then. Maybe. I should have trusted my instincts on n3 that things still didn't add up and suggested that we action in silence. But I trusted too much in my town block and ignored that part of my brain. I should have paid more attention to Creature on d4 and have trusted my original read on TWIE. But again, I had no reason to distrust my own result. On d5, I should have listened to that part of me that once again said things weren't adding up. But I got angry at Creature refusing to vote someone that should have been 100% scum from his point of view, and I remembered him refusing to take a stance on previous days, and I thought "Screw it! Don't overthink it. He avoided voting Math. He avoided giving a rock solid stance on TWIE. He's not taking a stance on Quantum, who should be scum from his perspective. It's like he doesn't want to rock the boat and stand out. This looks like scum now." and I voted. (Also, Aronis was backing the scum stance of pushing me since d3, and he was defending Creature. VCA showed Aronis to have been on every single scum counterwagon in the game. It kinda seemed like a lock.).

Most of all, I think this game was the perfect storm of a town full of members who really didn't want to think things through or try, and the very few who did were either killed off, distrusted each other, or were isolated. Scum played it just right here and relied on the simple fact of the town being unable to function. And I hate it. I really do. Because our only chance came down to a handful of players trusting each other and pulling the game, and even then, given this town, that was still unlikely to lead to a win.

[Bulbazak]

Like, we can talk about how much scum were at a disadvantage, but the very existence of the two separate PTs was, by itself, a huge scum advantage, as that was more likely to divide town.

[Bulbazak]

And I'm sorry for that. My concerns at the beginning of that day phase were brought about by paranoia, and I never scumread you for it. I felt anything more would be insincere, and I paid attention to others that followed that line, because it's so easy to do as scum. It's easy for scum to be nice and accommodating, and to be subsequently townread for it. I noticed Math doing just that. As such, I try to keep personal things separate and just focus on the game, regardless if others think that's right or wrong. I can understand you being upset at my insensitivity, but you still were giving me the cold shoulder after that initial bout where I gave you space. You threw down a scum read on me and refused to explain it. You refused to talk to me. I was up against a wall. So you can understand how upset I got whenever you complained about no one talking to you.

This is not to excuse my behavior or to get into an argument with you. The whole point of these posts were to explain how I was feeling during this whole game, and to get some things off my chest. We can just leave it at that, and I wish you all the best. Hopefully, after some time has passed, we can give this a go in another game.

[Bulbazak]

...Okay so I mighta confirmed there's not a Nexus-role which is a passive redirect, but fuck the Nexus role no sane mod would ever use it and I don't feel too terrible having confirmed that.

You know I'm going to have to use this at some point now, right?

[Bulbazak]

[Bulbazak]

For everyone.

[Bulbazak]

They...They lied to me?