qftAlbert B. Rampage wrote:Haha we got rid of the annoying ones. Two birds, one stone, is that what you call it ?
Are you CLAIMING scum?
qftAlbert B. Rampage wrote:Haha we got rid of the annoying ones. Two birds, one stone, is that what you call it ?
what game was that?Albert B. Rampage wrote:I was scum with BM once. We won.
didnt your mother ever tell you that selective quoting in order to misinterpret, is scummy?dahill1 wrote:i rest my caseBattle Mage wrote:qftAlbert B. Rampage wrote:Haha we got rid of the annoying ones. Two birds, one stone, is that what you call it ?
oh wait!"the scum are awesome" "offed the 2 greatest threats" (who were townies)Battle Mage wrote:unvote
Clearly the scum are awesome, as they offed the 2 greatest threats to my personal enjoyment of the game.
Vote: Awesome Pants
now i rest my case
yeh, and i stand by that comment. But i DIDNT say that they offed the two biggest threats to the game. I said they offed 2 of the most annoying people on the roster.dahill1 wrote:i dont think it was selective quoting..
you pretty much said outright the scum are awesome
oh yeh, that was a great game. I should have lived way longer...Albert B. Rampage wrote:Animal crossing mafia. Frankly, the guy who replaced me won, but he had it easy.Battle Mage wrote:what game was that?Albert B. Rampage wrote:I was scum with BM once. We won.
BMVote: BM. He is a liability to the town regardless of his alignment.
gonna unvote then?dahill1 wrote:oops sorry you're rightBattle Mage wrote:yeh, and i stand by that comment. But i DIDNT say that they offed the two biggest threats to the game. I said they offed 2 of the most annoying people on the roster.dahill1 wrote:i dont think it was selective quoting..
you pretty much said outright the scum are awesome
Vote stands.
There is no Armix in this game. LaL.Natirasha wrote:Ooh, armix is here!
Unvote, vote: armix
why only bring this up now. we've shared games together before, no?Primate wrote:Dude. Name. Right there. Next to post.Battle Mage wrote:I wonder if Primate will be this active in 'scumhunting' when we leave the random-stage.IGMEOY
BM
hmm, maybe if u hadnt lurked so much, we couldve nipped this in the bud earlier.Primate wrote:The only games we've been in together for any real amount of time are Consulmaker and Normal #65, and I was fairly lurkish in both.Battle Mage wrote:why only bring this up now. we've shared games together before, no?Primate wrote:Dude. Name. Right there. Next to post.Battle Mage wrote:I wonder if Primate will be this active in 'scumhunting' when we leave the random-stage.IGMEOY
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this isnt exactly a new thing for me.
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in this case, yes.Primate wrote:You're incapable of change then?
Battle Mage wrote:hmm, maybe if u hadnt lurked so much, we couldve nipped this in the bud earlier.Primate wrote:The only games we've been in together for any real amount of time are Consulmaker and Normal #65, and I was fairly lurkish in both.Battle Mage wrote:why only bring this up now. we've shared games together before, no?Primate wrote:Dude. Name. Right there. Next to post.Battle Mage wrote:I wonder if Primate will be this active in 'scumhunting' when we leave the random-stage.IGMEOY
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this isnt exactly a new thing for me.
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Sadly, its too late now.
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lol ofc not. Its putting itPrimate wrote:You don't think putting your name on your posts five times speaks of insecurities then?
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Dasquian wrote:Well, it's good to see the scum-hunting is fully underway then huh
Dasquian
Hate this!Cyberbob wrote:Signing posts outside of one's normal sig is one of my forum pet hates.
Do i criticise u for having an avatar, even when it has no purpose, and looks silly?Primate wrote:But the thing is, posts are automatically signed by the forum. The point of signing letters is that you know who it's from, and with forums, we have the usernames above the avatar. You just look pretentious and like you don't get it.
Just like the signing. If nothing else, it fills the same purpose for me, as an avatar does for you.Primate wrote:It aids reading comprehension, and makes it much less likely for people to mistake you with other people when reading games. That's also why the Nibbler trend annoyed me a little.Battle Mage wrote:Do i criticise u for having an avatar, even when it has no purpose, and looks silly?Primate wrote:But the thing is, posts are automatically signed by the forum. The point of signing letters is that you know who it's from, and with forums, we have the usernames above the avatar. You just look pretentious and like you don't get it.
No i dont, because everyone is different, and theres no harm in a bit of individuality. Each to their own and all that.
BM
@Cyber, I was agreeing with you.
Have you registered for TA yet?Surye wrote:My only issue with BM's signing is that BM just sounds like a polite way of saying bowel movement. It's like he ends every post taking a crap.
what does Superfly have to defend against? lolCelebloki wrote:I am unsure as to what to think right now. I feel that maybe primate has some info that we don't, but I don't know if this crusade against Superfly is just him acting on grudge or something. At the moment my vote stays until I see Superfly defend himself.
vote stands.Surye wrote:I agree, while I don't yet approve of what Primate is doing, Superfly is being rather lame...
Surye wrote:Agreed, I've been trying to provide some real signal. Other then Primate, no one seems to have any input on any scum hunting discussion.NabakovNabakov wrote:Post signing argument sounds distancy and blows signal-noise ratio to hell.
distancing? i want reasons kiddo.Crub wrote:unvote; vote Surye
Mafia is Serious Business.
Every post he makes STINKS of scum trying too hard to look like they are contributing and scumhunting.Cyberbob wrote:Could you explain why you think Surye deserves a confirmed vote in a bit more detail?
:Goodposting:muffinhead wrote:Remeber that we have 3 weeks, so we can lynch as much as possible, the more lynching done the less lynches the mafia get. So based on that i believe we should bumrush as much as possible but only if we have an idea someone is scum and if they arnt it wont be a big loss.
I dont want to follow Primate. I want him to follow me. Go on, outline your case against him.Surye wrote:No, every post has been trying to defend my suspicious of Primate from a small group who want to support his campaign of blind following.Battle Mage wrote:Every post he makes STINKS of scum trying too hard to look like they are contributing and scumhunting.Cyberbob wrote:Could you explain why you think Surye deserves a confirmed vote in a bit more detail?
Primate, with me!
BM
*sigh*Singing Librarian wrote:That only works if they're good lynches. It would be a complete disaster if we were to do a series of quicklynches and they were all townies. One mistake might not be a huge loss, but several mistakes would seriously hurt us and make a scum victory much more likely.muffinhead wrote:Remeber that we have 3 weeks, so we can lynch as much as possible, the more lynching done the less lynches the mafia get. So based on that i believe we should bumrush as much as possible but only if we have an idea someone is scum and if they arnt it wont be a big loss.
Basically, I think this is a horrible idea. I'm not sure whether it's just a bad idea with good intentions, or a scum idea hoping to lead town astray, but it makes me feel as though my vote is in the right place.
this post convinces me that Muffinhead is town.muffinhead wrote:It may bea horrible diasaster, however if used correctly i believe it could put us from an ok postion to an excellent position.Singing Librarian wrote:That only works if they're good lynches. It would be a complete disaster if we were to do a series of quicklynches and they were all townies. One mistake might not be a huge loss, but several mistakes would seriously hurt us and make a scum victory much more likely.muffinhead wrote:Remeber that we have 3 weeks, so we can lynch as much as possible, the more lynching done the less lynches the mafia get. So based on that i believe we should bumrush as much as possible but only if we have an idea someone is scum and if they arnt it wont be a big loss.
Basically, I think this is a horrible idea. I'm not sure whether it's just a bad idea with good intentions, or a scum idea hoping to lead town astray, but it makes me feel as though my vote is in the right place.
It may be a bad idea with good intentions but at least i am putting suggestions up. As for ur vote being in the right place though, u r sadly mistaken. If i was scum it would be preety obvious if u ask some peoplpe here lol.
Actually Primate IS clearly the best player here. I'd even go as far as to say, he's got the second strongest scumdar on the whole of MS. Not telling who is first, as it refers to ongoing games.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Primate is being sarcasticSurye wrote:I can buy that you may be the best player in this game, I sure as hell am not. However, being the best player doesn't mean you're town, so I'm not sure how much that should mean. But now I'm just waiting for you know who so this game can finally get on.
you gullible newbes..
Way to tell the scum to NK Primate. idiot...armlx wrote:Way to blatantly buddy up to the probable info role.Battle Mage wrote:Actually Primate IS clearly the best player here. I'd even go as far as to say, he's got the second strongest scumdar on the whole of MS. Not telling who is first, as it refers to ongoing games.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Primate is being sarcasticSurye wrote:I can buy that you may be the best player in this game, I sure as hell am not. However, being the best player doesn't mean you're town, so I'm not sure how much that should mean. But now I'm just waiting for you know who so this game can finally get on.
you gullible newbes..
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nice try, but if that were true, you'd expect me to be voting for Superfly, as opposed to attacking his wagon.Natirasha wrote:Posts 196 and 197.
As I said in the sign-up thread, although I did not participate in the original Realistic Mafia at Px2, I did watch it. In the original, there was four roles: Mafia, Townie, Cop(town-aligned), and Mayor(town-aligned, of course). The first three are self-explanatory. The mayor knew the identity of all four cops and got the results of all cop investigations, but was otherwise a simple townie. The cops did not know the mayor.
So far, it seems that K-Scope just stole the same set-up. This was alluded to at the end of the original(the actual thread was deleted, but this is the gist of it)I could run this same exact set-up again and it would have played out totally differently.
This leads me to believe that BM is the mayor. While he might just be refering to muffinhead's newbieness with 196, he says Primate has a great scumdar in 197. He could be saying this because Primate investigated Superfly, and came up scum. If he was mayor, then he would know this.
And before you ask, yes, I am probably drawing conclusions where there are none.
thats a good point. If alignment is not revealed, multiple lynches isnt such a supreme strategy.armlx wrote:Actually, muffin's plan is extremely good if alignment is revealed on lynch. That info alone gives us a lot to base the next lynch on.Mod: Is alignment revealed at each lynch or at end of day?
I also forgot about multiple lynches, so sideney can wait.
Unvote, Vote Surye.
I expect a claim or something decently soon.
It concerns me how happy you are to conceal information from others.armlx wrote:Facepalm. Superfly, keep those kind of outs secret until one of them has to actually claim.
-.-Surye wrote:Wait... okay guys, this is probably going to get me killed, but I am sorry, I miss read my night 0 pm. The gun collection does NOT belong to ABR, but BM. I repeat, the guns found were at BattleMage's house. Or at least as it was reported to me, like I said, there may be corruption feeding me bad info. I still find ABR to be scummy for forcing the claim out of me, but I am no longer as sure as I was.
Sorry for the confusion, I hope admitting and clearing it up so soon will show good faith that it was a real mistake.
ftr, i dont think Surye is intelligent enough to make this up. What about my recent posts is suspicious?Celebloki wrote:Well the crusade on Superfly was just for his name, and even though I don't like that he admits to being a lurker due to laziness we have bigger issues now it seems. On that noteUnvote
I don't wholly believe Surye claiming Mayor in the heat of the moment but I don't wholly disbelieve it either. And BM just makes me feel suspicious of him due to his recent posts and alleged arsenal.FOS: Surye, BM
Erm, i kinda already claimed.Dasquian wrote:Unvote Surye- the opening blurb all but spells out that the mayor exists and is a pro-town role in the game, and here he is claiming it with Nab backing up one of his investigation results. No reason to disbelieve him now.
Both BM and Cyberbob's investigation results are incriminating, BM's moreso, so I can't see me not voting one of them today. No vote right now, but probably in my next post after a quick reread of the thread.
It seems liek Armlx is trying too hard to attack people for doing something that is pretty natural impulse. Ive had it in another game, and frankly, its nothing short of opportunism in my eyes.Dasquian wrote: Also:Didn't like this at all. Encouraging townies not to spell out excuses that a mafia member on the spot genuinely might not think of, then get lynched for, is good pro-town play! Sure, sometimes it's obvious, but sometimes it's not and smart townies don't do the hard work for scum.Battle Mage wrote:It concerns me how happy you are to conceal information from others.armlx wrote:Facepalm. Superfly, keep those kind of outs secret until one of them has to actually claim.
fair enough.Dasquian wrote:OK.Battle Mage wrote:Erm, i kinda already claimed.
Dasquian wrote: Also:Battle Mage wrote:armlx wrote:Facepalm. Superfly, keep those kind of outs secret until one of them has to actually claim.I totally disagree - it's a natural impulse that doesn't help town, so warning townies off being flappy-jawed is a generally good idea. I didn't think armlx was "trying too hard" at all.Battle Mage wrote:It seems liek Armlx is trying too hard to attack people for doing something that is pretty natural impulse. Ive had it in another game, and frankly, its nothing short of opportunism in my eyes.
DasquianBattle Mage wrote:BM
Yes. And sorry about the 'stupid' comment. I just dislike being outted ridiculously early in the game...Surye wrote:Not weapons perse, all I know is that he had belongings suggesting an aggressive behavior. Honestly I have no idea what this could possibly mean (whips and bondage? ). But I agree it is suspicious.Celebloki wrote:Sorry I misread some things back when I was skimming. I don't know what to feel about cyberbob. It is suspicious that he has weapons but so far in mu opinion he has stayed pretty neutral in his accusations until he started to attack Surye. alsoBattle Mage wrote: What about my recent posts is suspicious?FOS: Cyberbob
For BM to have all those guns, he really has to be a vig or scum I think. I'm not sure which though, I'm going to have to avoid blindOMGUSand re-read the thread
Yea, I'm not impressed either. Anyways, how does this changed information make more sense? Since you have already stated how stupid I am, I'll spell this out so I am sure. I'm guessing this is a vig claim when combined with:Battle Mage wrote:-.-Surye wrote:Wait... okay guys, this is probably going to get me killed, but I am sorry, I miss read my night 0 pm. The gun collection does NOT belong to ABR, but BM. I repeat, the guns found were at BattleMage's house. Or at least as it was reported to me, like I said, there may be corruption feeding me bad info. I still find ABR to be scummy for forcing the claim out of me, but I am no longer as sure as I was.
Sorry for the confusion, I hope admitting and clearing it up so soon will show good faith that it was a real mistake.
I'm not impressed, but at least you're making slightly more sense. My vote stands.
BM
Battle Mage wrote: cmon, what kind of half decent mafia member do you know who has a collection of guns in his house? ABR stinks of Vigness at this point.
I feel exactly the same way, for the time being at least.armlx wrote:BM, way to flip my comments. I never attacked Superfly for it. I merely commented. You did the same thing earlier when I said stuff about Prim being an investigation role.
Something is off this game with BM, however as my current read of BM is an ongoing game with possible mitigating circumstances I don't know what it means if it does mean anything at all.
You obviously. And good point about the alignment thing-id nearly forgotten 0.oarmlx wrote:Feel the same way about me or yourself?Battle Mage wrote:I feel exactly the same way, for the time being at least.armlx wrote:BM, way to flip my comments. I never attacked Superfly for it. I merely commented. You did the same thing earlier when I said stuff about Prim being an investigation role.
Something is off this game with BM, however as my current read of BM is an ongoing game with possible mitigating circumstances I don't know what it means if it does mean anything at all.
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I thought I had a town read on Bob this game, though my scum read of him is lurking and sniping. Still, potential cop info > reads D1.
Unvote, FOS Bobuntil I get a mod answer to alignment reveals. If its a yes, I'll upgrade to vote.
Because, being a Vig myself, i'm well aware that having guns does not mean you are necessarily anti-town, and flavour-wise, i thought Cyberbob's result was far more likely to be mafia, as it was relatively subtle.NabakovNabakov wrote:Here's some food for thought.
If BM is indeed a Vig and information comes out that ABR has a truckload of guns, why does BM-Vig immediately assume ABR is a Vig? I'd like a solid claim out of BM.
Actually, i can vouch for this. I did recieve warning in my PM that someone had been in my house whilst i'd been away, so that could theoretically have been Cyberbob.Cyberbob wrote:Christ, ever heard of a little thing called RL? I had to answer the phone. Settle down.
I don't know where this "aggressive nature" information came from - I'm vanilla. Last night I tried to make friends with BM, but he was out so I went home.
I umm, 'talked' to him.Panzerjager wrote:Dude,Celebloki wrote:Well the crusade on Superfly was just for his name, and even though I don't like that he admits to being a lurker due to laziness we have bigger issues now it seems. On that noteUnvote
I don't wholly believe Surye claiming Mayor in the heat of the moment but I don't wholly disbelieve it either. And BM just makes me feel suspicious of him due to his recent posts and alleged arsenal.FOS: Surye, BMUnvote, HoS Celboki"BM has an aresenal and Surye is totally not mayor although he knows this"
Trust me Occam's razor does not apply here. This is a situation in which especially if there are 3 non town kills plus a vig plus everyone has the ability to try to kill someone else at night, and there were only 2 kills, occam's razor does not apply at all. Because the very fact that there were 2 kills and only 2 mafia groups one of the kills being made by not scum.Surye wrote:I think Occam's Razor is applicable here, the answer is probably the one that requires the fewest assumptions. Especially given that assuming Mafia and him being SK instead is still a good outcome.
Anyway, I think Cyberbob is lying. Because one does not simply knock on a door then walkaway i don't think. I don't think this game works this way.
BTW was anyone talking to Sarcastro last night, and was it in person or not?
Umm yeh. Who wouldn't!?Dasquian wrote:What the hell - you vig-killed Sarcastro on N0?
Umm because i did kinda already hint that this game featured protown killing roles, not to mention the fact that having a gun does not make you scum. Although i do see where you're coming from. Sarcastro is a good N0 kill for town and scum.Dasquian wrote:So, you have (had?) a collection of guns at your house and you killed Sarcastro N0. Why, exactly, should we believe that you're a vig and not just a garden variety goon?Battle Mage wrote:Umm yeh. Who wouldn't!?Dasquian wrote:What the hell - you vig-killed Sarcastro on N0?
Vote BM
Because a Night 0 vig-kill is only good for getting rid of players who will be a detriment to the town, regardless of their affiliation, hence making them a sound kill.armlx wrote:You have no evidence confirming you. Your presence there could lead to problems.Celebloki wrote: but I won't believe anything unless I am present to see it for myself.
Neither does DGB. Why is she going?
Also why the hell is killing Sarc N0 good for town...
ROFL. Damn, i so wanna sig this....NabakovNabakov wrote:Our entire police force becomes useless once every townie and his mother is packing heat.
I wouldnt necessarily say that. I've never played with Nab before prior to this game, but from my experience with you, you seem to be a very able player.GhostWriter wrote:He's more important, because he's a better player than I am. I know he is, so he'd be more beneficial. It has nothing to do with roles.
I'm a Vig. Why the hell would i NOT Kill N0 as a Vig, with Sarc on the roster!?Dasquian wrote:I didn't see that the N0 death scene had finally been posted, with information about the means of the two deaths. There's a good chance I wasn't the only one - another count against BM. Let me list it out for everyone again:
- Has a load of guns at his house
- Excuses this by being a vigilante, but chose to kill N0
Well DUH. I'm not exactly going to say 'Wow, our vig did well killing Sarc didnt he!"Dasquian wrote: - Also congratulatedscumfor this kill on page 1, before he knew he was going to get implicated when Surye claimed
This is untrue. Not only is Primate unsure of his own ability, but he has also stated that it is possible that both of us killed him. Thats pretty far from a counter-claim.Dasquian wrote: - Kill subsequently counter-claimed by Primate
A minute ago you said that you thought Primate participated in killing Sarcastro aswell. Then surely a second kill flavour is to be expected, no?Dasquian wrote: - Guns are inconsistent with Sarcastro's flesh wounds caused by a knife
It probably appears really straightforward because you are looking at it two-dimensionally. Try looking objectively for a change.Dasquian wrote: This is really, really straightforward. We lynch Battle Mage now.
Confirm vote: Battle Mage
QFAT.Primate wrote:I don't see a compelling reason why a scum BM would claim a kill that he didn't actually do, knowing that there's someone out there who might be able to counterclaim him. I'm pretty much certain there's something else going on here.
But if you follow this line of thought, the flavour argument is nulled, because if you believe i actually killed Sarcastro as scum, you cant use the argument that there was a knife at the scene as evidence that i wasnt there.Dasquian wrote:This is a reasonable statement. Frankly I'm mystified as to why pro-town BM would kill Sarcastro N0Primate wrote:I don't see a compelling reason why a scum BM would claim a kill that he didn't actually do, knowing that there's someone out there who might be able to counterclaim him. I'm pretty much certain there's something else going on here.at all, let alone claim to do it. However, if he was part of the scum-group which kill Sarcastro, he could happily claim the kill as a vig (hence my earlier attention to the lack of a second mafia kill if Sarcastro's death was at the hands of vig-BM).
Your counter-claim throws a spanner in the works, for sure.
This is incorrect. See earlier flavour assessment.armlx wrote: One of the 2 is very clearly lying, and I'm inclined to think BM as, well, why shank someone when you have a 12-gage?
damn. shoulda read this before posting.dahill1 wrote:yeah he definitely is active in other gamesSurye wrote:Yea... I can't help but notice him posting elsewhere. Why is he lurking?armlx wrote:I'm starting to think BM is avoiding this game....
i say by using our ???? actions, we set up a trap like Home Alone, so when he posts he slips on marbles, gets tarred+feathered, etc.