Summer Waltz - [Game Over]

[SpyreX]

I'll be a little slow today, and it'll be afternoons / evenings when I get to post.

I think there's a way to leverage this. I need to walk through it though. So give it a day or so, but lets not do immediate makeout sessions. Especially not farside.

Marquis has the right idea. I want to see if we can get two fairly obviously town groups and then have everyone else prepped for quick delicious murder.

[SpyreX]

so 3 scum, 13 unknowns.

One dies pre-game, giving us 8 pairings. So 5 minimum town-town setups.

I -think- that means if we end up at 2 gamble-the-game on pairings AND hit scum early then we just scorched earth this bitch

[SpyreX]

god damnit lets slow the roll a bit

@Mod: Just to confirm, leaving does NOT end the day, correct?

[SpyreX]

Assuming that is the case, I think the actual game is "farside gets a town partner and we all drink the koolaid day 1"

Farside + town
A twosome we're willing to gamble on
-- everyone else dies D1
Farside and dudes lynch the other group.

So, then its ONLY a loss if:
- groups die in an order that makes that more than 1 scum left in that foursome

[SpyreX]

Well shit, that's not going to work then.

[SpyreX]

hmm, maybe.
16 alive, two groups suicide | 12 with 3 scum max
farside et partner die
10 alive | 3 scum max

Ehhhhhhh I dont like it.
We need 2 power legit groups, a third that is worth a gamble. Hmmmmmm

[SpyreX]

(hint: my alignment reaaaaly wont matter because you bet your ass I'm killing someone day 1)
(this is also why I dont want random makeout fights - I want to get a few more suiciders and I think this still will work)

[SpyreX]

Ohh I'm gonna pair with scum. Alignment nonwithstanding

But yes, that should be the goal for a majority. We only really need 2 solid town pairs and one 'mostly' town pair. The rest all need to die.

@Mod last one I promise: on d2, does someone leaving reset the votes?

[SpyreX]

god damnit

Ok, talk this through with me.

ASSUIMING team jump the gun is town (which maaaybe, but lets see)

We get farside a partner.

NO ONE ELSE PARTNERS AND WE ALL DIE

[SpyreX]

If those two are town, and we can pick A good town, I think that's a win.

But hmmmmm.

What am I missing?

[SpyreX]

No, shit, we'd need one more group. That wont work.

Disregard I think

[SpyreX]

No, shit, we'd need one more group. That wont work.

Disregard I think

[SpyreX]

Yep I figured that out mod of spoiling my delicious plans.

@All: No more makeouts until we get farside figured out.

[SpyreX]

actually Anti read my words and comment plz

Let's do this right.

You willing to bleed with me d1

[SpyreX]

no no
pair with scum
suicide d1 with me

[SpyreX]

I didn't come here to not commit suicide

[SpyreX]

If its less then 12, there'll be a NK.
Scum will pair up with scum at a last minute
So to have that have any chance of working
Farside + Town
Two Towns
Two Twons
Scum pair

everyone else dies
night happens
farside dies
Scum Scum v Town x4.

too wiggly for my taste

[SpyreX]

Luna I'm schrodingers town.
I'm only town because I'm willing to die for the cause. If I pair up with FS, then OMG SPYREX IS WIFOM WIIIIFOM and somehow we lynch me D2 and I die inside.

I die on my own feet. Taking down punks

[SpyreX]

Town's get waaaay too self-preserving. That will F it up. Thats why I want initiative to murder the shit out of people.

It doesn't matter how town you are if you're attached to scum. Especially when the initial phase is "tee hee be my bestie <3 OHH SHIT I screwed up"

Here is where we can win this game

[SpyreX]

and if we do this right HERE then it doesn't turn into the kind of shit where we spin in the grave when you chuckleheads try to lynch farside D2 because OMG ALIVE MEAANS SCUM WIFOMWFIOMWFIOM

No we'll all partner up today the other plan doesn't work

D1 will be double suicide into night though

[SpyreX]

my issue is that it seems very unlikely to get so many town reads correct, this quickly, before we even move onto the lynching phase of the game. I don't mind the idea, and if we just needed one, I'd actually probably prefer it since I have a lot more faith in my ability to get 2 correct town reads than 6, but if we need that many, it feels a lot safer to just play it normally.

btw, Anti, you're the other person who I'd spirit vote at this point so I'm hoping that you wake up and start doing more if you're town. thanks. ~

3.

3 town reads worth gambling the game on.

Thats not that many

In fact, its pretty much the same as the number of scum we have to find but a much better guessing game.

[SpyreX]

If you like my idea, why would you try to pair up before we get FS figured out.

I know 3 town reads is asking the universe but god damnit.

If you're looking for 3 Town pairs, you need to be gambling on both members of each pair to be town, the IC's easy, but the other 5 people arent.
Remember that pairs are formed of 2 people you need to read.

Do you consider yourself skilled enough to get 5 townreads you're willing to gamble the game on within the 4 RL days the pre-dance lasts?

Realistically 3 town could do it IF we dont screw up and actually hit a scum.

So, not three pairs, just 3 town. One for farisde, one group.

And yes I do consider myself skilled enough to manage three town reads in 4 days if people post

[SpyreX]

Farside + Town
Town + Town

Two suicides D1

Farside dies

The rest of the town pulls it togehter and suicides down the list.

Town team victory AND the town person vote for themselves in the 3 town 1 scum endgame.

So yes, this is predicated on A.) Town being willing to suicide and B.) Finding scum

Which is why I'm hoping we kill the biggest failure right now and I and someone are tied to the next two scumefailures make htem go away and hit at LEAST one in that set.

[SpyreX]

Like Luna I'm game-wagering sure you're town. I'm not as positive on your compatriot.

But we'll see how it pans out.

Cy might be a good call to not get a date today

[SpyreX]

So with what we have thus far what are people's biggest town reads?

I have spy, marquis, Luna and summer

Wish I had more.

Yes, yes, very yes (and would be who I would pair with you if it was possible) and noo.

I wish I had more than I do now.

cy probably needs to be the sacrifice right now. I'd almost prefer something with a little more panache, but.

I like Anti but I can't tell if its good ol fashioned pragmatism or not.

Beeboy is going to be that one that's gonna make me bash my head into the monitor all game trying to decipher.

Kat has done broke my heart and almost needs to be my suicide bro d1 now on principle.

Cakez in a lot of ways just feels like that worm that scum have to bite on. I mean, I dont like it, but I like it a lot more than Map right now.

And there's a whole mess of ladies that'd I'd love to dance with right now. I dont like that

[SpyreX]

God dammit. Is cy kaiser soze or is this genuine

[SpyreX]

Farside if it were me, based on this VERY moment in time, I'd want you to go with a fine lad like Marquis

[SpyreX]

Anti help me
Is cy the bait or is it map
Cause in no universe are they both scum
and I hope in our universe they're not both town

[SpyreX]

Reaaally?

That's what has me all shook up

pie
nahdia
newearth
summer

maaybe foxbird

and just remember I dance like a man covered in spikes and on fire. Too metal for this world

[SpyreX]

Kaaatt damnit why you gotta go breakin my heart

Squid is awesome and getting ready for kindegarden
Her sister is awesome too

[SpyreX]

Kat like seriously renig that if you can

Cause we need to make a girl go away today and I dont want cy poppin up I think

[SpyreX]

I'm trying to figure that out Anti, I really am. Its raw gut at this point.

[SpyreX]

Like come on guys I keep saying this and no one is listening to me or explaining why I am wrong.

Without the ability to suicide, this is a vanilla setup.

Vanilla setups have a good EV, but an actual win of about 1 in infinity billion because

towns actually suck eggs at mafia

.

So you find every god damn edge you can.

And the whole 'lets just find those townreads baby' from lord of couldn't keep it in his pants this game hot damn.

So no, I'm not doing a whole feelings dance and tree running and cold feet bullshit. I'm taking my knife and gettin a stabbin' tomorrow.

And god damnit Kat

[SpyreX]

I'm totally for Marquis for Farside

[SpyreX]

scum have 0 reason, 0 to pair up.

and what you're aiming for isn't really that different in that we need actual town pairings to win soooooo

I'm just here to clean up the mean streets

[SpyreX]

I think the thing with Summer is that there's no meat. In fact the only "real" meat of anything is taking swings at cy which...well...
Nahdia is using mouthwords but they are just rice cakes. No steak
Pie I think I could wait on until Cakes and Map dead. That might clear up a lot.
earth maybe too

So, what I'm saying, is I want map to die I think

[SpyreX]

Marquis while I'd never normally argue with such a wonderful woman such as farside being my belle of the ball I've got knives I've gotta roll deep wif.

But, you sir are going places.

That post by pie makes me feel better some.

@pie, if you could, who would you have cake go to the ball with

[SpyreX]

Who'll be washing their hair:

TellTaleHeart

pieguyn

Luna Fox

Nahdia

farside22

thenewearth
Foxbird
SummerInWonderland

cytheflyguy

THANKS KAT

Yea of that group now.. man. Nahdia probably the best bet but I'm not stoked

[SpyreX]

Aww look at the besties.

Marquis get your ass back here and ask farside out dag

[SpyreX]

97 is a shot?
Its a swat from a butterfly on a lazy sunday afternoon in the middle of august

[SpyreX]

Hold the roll on that some Luna.

There's gonna be a few things that need to be worked out. I mean I'm not violently opposed to it, but there may be other nuts to crack.

[SpyreX]

If that is the case you unravel it by cakez, not you. We NEED a few good pairings to not commit suicide

[SpyreX]

No I get the logic. Cakez willing to throw death in the piefight is high risk waay low reward scumside.

[SpyreX]

How so?

We're not talking murdering yourself to take out a cop. It's a 1:1 trade which in vanilla is rarely good for scum. Especially when it doesn't setup someone else to skate.

[SpyreX]

No I get the logic.

also get luna's logic

if cakez thinks he'll lose the 1v1 (he probably would), suiciding on a strong townie would be a way of cutting his losses

Thats the thing, why even bother with it at this point as scum. It doesn't make sense.

But, I feel in my gut how this is going to play out already. Consider this a note to remind me after a cake flip.

[SpyreX]

Well sureish.

ORRRR you've got a town that went fuck me fuck you lets go bro.

I think I know which is more likely, but we'll see how it pans out. Its time for bed I'll be back tomorrow evening.

I dont like how this is shaping up to make me suicide tomorrow harder. Not one bit.

Let's put it this way though:
If I flip town AND cakez flips town, pie can not be at endgame after this.

[SpyreX]

@pie how sure are you that cake is scum.

We're talkin no foolin around here.

[SpyreX]

Get this farside ship idea right out of your heads unless you give me two people who will explode on my command.

Enough that you'd take me to the dance? You know what'll happen if he's town.

[SpyreX]

Anti god damn I love you dont be breakin my heart making me 'live' and 'play the game until the end'.

If he's scum then we can talk and you can always kill the both of us as it should be. That's not the side I'm talkin bout.

Are you confident enough to know if that flip is green I'll immediately murder us both

[SpyreX]

BABY LETS NOT FIGHT I HATE WHEN YOU YELL

[SpyreX]

Anti is bee town its important I still cant decide.

[SpyreX]

Well I'm ACTUALLY going to bed. I forgot what this game does to me.

I wont make it official yet, but I respect the cut of your jib enough to be paranoid as shit about setting up a cake mislynch then just shrugging and bulldogging the next. I've seen that brand of crazy too many times and honestly I dont trust this tribe of malcontents to stop you.

[SpyreX]

Phone posting.

I am almost postive cake needs to suicide tomorrow and is town. So lets give him a target.

Which means i would prefer to go with pie. If not, and cake is town, I'm going to go that way for lynch.

But is prefer to explode d2 vs farside. If i go with fs that is literally calling me unlynchable if we get cheeky bullshit d2

[SpyreX]

I am OK with you pursuing me for lynch to your heart's content post-Cakez lynch if Cakez somehow ends up being town (he's not).

since it seems to be relevant now, this evening I'll explain where I'm coming from on the Cakez read in full, no obnoxiousness, no me blatantly showing off, and I'll ease your reservations about this lynch for all eternity.

See this is still the same cheeky business that i dont like. I've been this scum. I've seen this scum a million times.

What has happened today

can not

be at end game.

If you're gonna be willing to hammer down this hard right now, be god damn willing to commit.

@Cakes:
Take your pick, suicide early D1 after reads from both. I'll pour one out.

@Farside I'm not sold either.

Marquis you need to get your ass back here so we can get this figured out. I dont some of the shit going down at all.

I'm taking a nap

[SpyreX]

I'd be fine with either and the other not making the ball I think

[SpyreX]

And while we both know you're dead walking thanks for dealing some damage on the way out takin one of these scallywags with you.

Also, if its not clear how quickly the god damn wolves circled well

[SpyreX]

Ohh I still am hoping to blaze of glory.

Although I'm nervous it'll be D2 and with some dreck thanks to the disasters.

Marquis does really need to show the ass up though

[SpyreX]

You pile of assholes. So many things make me mad.

Farside, m'dear, would you bless me with your company to the ball

[SpyreX]

WELL SPYSPY THANKS FOR BEING THE INTERMISSION KILL WITH FARSIDE

SHOULDVE SEPARATED YOU AND FARSIDE BECAUSE YOURE TOWNTOWNTOWN

GLAD I WONT HAVE TO SEE YOU DYING BEFORE MY EYES

Glad to help mr save the drunk whales

[SpyreX]

D1 is gonna be some serious words amd layout some death plans. I'm nervous at how many must kill groups i have

[SpyreX]

At this point I'm literally shocked at anyone who thinks cake won't die d1 and isn't town

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Nah i pretty much have to insist that cake goes first
He'll oblige. I need that shit nipped in the bud.

Id like map next but i don't know still if i can trust you guys to pull the trigger on pie d2.

I guess i can pray one of those 4 is scum and make this easier

[SpyreX]

we could not have done the pairing worse than we did

I know! To collect and hold that much hot sexy failure is going to create a failure black hole. The only thing that sucks more than what happened.

I look at that list and go... really? I mean jesus:

3) beeboy -

Luna Fox

1) Katsuki - cytheflyguy
2) I Am Innocent - pieguyn
5) SirCakez - thenewearth
5) Marquis -

Nahdia

4)

Antihero

- TellTaleHeart
no)

SpyreX - farside22

THANKS AGAIN GUYS

2)

map wolf

+ whoever

You know what is missing. Two good sexy green reads touching each other. I mean I know opposite attracts but lord.

Map has to die. No if ands or buts.
cy probably has to die and Kat's saveaho routine makes me doubly sad.
Cakez needs to die (although he is town and I'm just praying that there's some justice in the world and tne is scum I'd be sooo happy you guys)
When that happens, just like I said would happen, pie can not be at end game. I will lose to a lot of things this game, I am not losing to that.
So the dross needs to dedross and just like two groups of not suck please

[SpyreX]

I repeat, if IAI still has done nothing town by the time second dance starts (and especially if the last thing farside says to me before intermission is something along the lines of "lynch the hell out of IAI"), then I will readily leave even on a Cakez scum flip - and if not immediately after second dance start, then definitely on the last pre-MYLO lynch.

no earlier than then, but you can absolutely hold me to that.

No way is iai getting away with a full game day without saying shit, ever mind saying shit all during pregame.

I stand by my cakes dies first then iai.
Nothing else.
Do not pass go.
Do not collect 200.

As for others
I strongly read marquis/Nadia town pair and should be off the radar.
Not sure why Katsuki is complaining about marquis list considering he paired with someone many are scum reading.

Ohh I think we are going to have a great time and I'm going to make it something you'll never forget boo.
Sell me on Nadia. Please, lord please.

[SpyreX]

So guys

What's happening here?

Just bask in the glory that is this game

[SpyreX]

Anti i just feel you

[SpyreX]

Impressive.
I wish i could say i was shocked.
Except although i was wrong about the scum i was far far too right about how that was going to play out.
Pie you've got charisma and conviction. You need to temper it with the understanding that you can be wrong. The only thing worse for the town than lurkers is a leader who will walk them into the fire