The First Mafia: Game Over

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There caught up.
Dgb is town. Ces is town. Pj probably is town (although rewanting kats leader is f-- and if kats scum then pj dies).

I think the scumputer is wrong on drk and shes scum but no where near as scum as implosion who is all the scum please dont make me write the case showing it.

Weve got too much dregs. U2l is my gut scum pick but I'm not fighting that right now.

leader: dgb

vote: implosion

And I'm a politician now which is the main reason why I'm not asking for a murder knife of justice.

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Any other useful information from the other days.
Cause while I'll roll with that since snowman is yea and all

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I can buy that.

vote snarkysnowman

I think that puts us in real good shape too.

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Wait. What.
You're saying you got sent two kill requests last night? From the leader?

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Don't get me wrong i totally want to kill snowman for the posts above but this is super strange and i dont like it

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I really want another soldier to chime in.
Cause until this revelation i thought it was vt with the whole soldiers are just tools for the politicians

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There is something missing here for this to make sense.
I mean we also have seen a scum soldier flip too so keep that in mind when parsing this.

I think it may be massclaim day honestly.

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I'm almost positive we want a leader change though. Especially considering wtf happened last night.

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I'm able to steal a vote that's pretty useful at this point. Especially if we mislynch.

But i think snow is scum

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Hey this last page makes.me.feel waay better about you so there's that.
I'm all tinfoil though about something until kats gets back

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Ohh I've been convinced. Thank you for that insight.

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Zzzz

Hey u2l did you get choices n1? Or anything?

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Sigh that's right. Equinox didn't. Sigh where is kats

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Katssss i really need to know as detailed as possible how the leader works

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I'm also getting real paranoid that today is massclaim because there's hijinks afoot.

Oh id have lynched bulb too although im a little wroth about the mod message nonsense.

So help me figure this out. When did you pm the kill on bulb and you only did bulb right?

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Heres the thing though utl scum only makes sense opening their mouth there if snow is scum and even then its.. weird? Scum pr ss with a goon sacrifice?

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Cause implosion clearly saw snow touch equinox as snow didnt argue that part.

So snow town and u2l scum keeps her mouth shut for free mislynch.

Kats i got nothing but love but I'm super paranoid about yesterday so i need a bit more to not want you to not be leader

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Yea i need a good couple feedback loops today for sure. So i get it.

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And you definitely didnt say yo d2l perform the kill right

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Like mod meta and all i know i know but the idea of it being 'random' which soldier gets to go a murderin especially with a scum soldier flipped just doesn't work and myko hates random like i do

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I mean if snow flips scum leader or scum triplemurderface then sure i get it.
There's a puzzle piece I'm still missing and i cant wrap around what it is.
Dgb i know i know but i get the bulb hate so much. But that's why you're probably getting stuck leader today cause i have a hunch tm

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The second vendetta was mentioned it was inevitable.

But I'm assuming that there's either a scum leader or it automatically puts the previous leader up for murder. Something still missing though.

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Damnit you two. Now isn't the time for this.

This implosion snowman u2l tryst has to be dealt with. We have some serious lurkers to be dealt with. What I'm missing with core mechanics has to be dealt with.

I don't want to be leader and lose my sweet doublevote but if that's what it takes i can almost guarantee I'll be shooting the both of you and I would rather also not do that.

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Like jesus i had to go recheck and drk has laid one vote all game and you two are playing 1v1 i can't have that.

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Or let's be even more different:
If drk is scum i would bet my entire mafia career on kats town

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Or there's this. See why i need you two to play nice

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Ok dgb help me.
You think 4 scum this game? That means if tonight is like last its game over.
We need to hit scum today. I think it's snow. I also think drk is skating scum and i guarantee of I'm right there kat is town.
So we all need to play nice what will it take

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I like how you're still trying to sweep that under the rug like it's no big thang.

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K.

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Ces i reaaaaaly would prefer not simply because the vote stealing is a might fine useful.

I mean if need be sure but there's gotta be a better consensus that helps spread power.

What do you think about a mass claim today. I need more voices

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We can agree on moving the leader. I think having the shot at stealing a scum vote is pretty swank though

Let me think about it is bedtime and i took nyquil so I'm not thinking 100% at the mo

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U2l, if that's what happens o won't cry but I'm not excited about it.

Put on your other eyes for a second and look at snowman. Then think about equinoxes slot.

You tell me who would have any reason to be there.

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Dgb what town pr would be visiting equinox last night.
You've been caught for the wrong reasons before

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I missed that your vote was stole pj that is interesting. Because while I'm now the politician i sure didn't inherit that.

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Lets get an order and no bs claim chain

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Someone keep an eye on the leader timer.

If we start getting close to deadline then we shift gears

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Claim and next plz

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What is our timeline? If we're getting close I'll take leader. I've got some serious questions

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Not yet implosion patience is a virtue

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I think that's fine. Go ahead and let's finish up

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Wait a second. Kats you're saying you had pick two and you actively chose ep?

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Ok, I'm tired and impatient on my day off. I need things to happen here.

@Soldiers:
Just to confirm, none of you aside from UTL got any communication last night?

@Kat:
Confirming, you actively selected both bulbs and ep for a kill?

So, here's the thing. Something with this leader mechanic isn't lining up properly. As far as I can tell either:

1.) The requests are 'random'
-- With the addition of a scum soldier, I really really really dont like this. It adds a bizarre level of unqualifiable nonsense to this setup.
2.) The leader is making the decision.
-- This means Kat's is 100% scum.
3.) Another role is making the decision.
-- This means either DRK (lols) or scum are making the choice. If its the latter, then I think its fairly safe to say either UTL is scum (which after today I've got a hard time with) or the scum have no remaining soldiers.

Now, of the above, #3 is the ONLY scenario in which snowman's role is even remotely plausible. Even then, it's this bizarre binary of worthless 90% of the time and breaking the other 10%. It also requires, to have any function, the scum to have a 'role' that is dictating the kills.

That said, I am 100% behind a dead snowman today. The antics today don't align for anything.

Additionally,

Leader: SpyreX

Let's do this. I want to see exactly what is going on with the leader mechanics. I want some activity here. So let's powerbomb the hell out of this day.

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I'm also very much wanting a post to either have a vote for me or a vote for another leader and why I'm a bad choice.

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I'm fairly confident of that fact too but I want this to move and I can feel the feeeeeelings bubbling at the idea of you and the gun-helm

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Not to mention I'll even bring in that scum vote because me leader actually DOES hurt the town some.

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claim plz we're at that point

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not even a little that's what is happening right now.

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look at the last 2 pages. thats it. You dont have to read a lot

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Is it? That's my biggest thing.
Snarky feels like scum all over. Kats actually putting the kill on equinox confuses the shit out of me.
I'm hoping farside makes me feel better about that slot.

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I'm getting paranoid with the activity that'll cause an apathy leadership stay.
We need stuff to happen. In rapid order

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Kraska makes sense later when you consider the roles

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Farside I'm really confused at your train of thought at the end.
You think utl claimed at that point to protect kats?

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I mean i thought utl was scum up until today. Much like implosion

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Well utl claimed what the role did and it's a twofer considering were changing leader i have a hard time buying that as scum.

I'm way way more scum on snowmans because it's a nonsense role.

Implosion looks town in that mess, yes? Maybe this can be poe

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Like all i want today is a new leader and a dead snow most everything else is negotiatable

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So wait allll the soldiers got it.
I... didnt expect that. That may change a few things

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And no I'm not rewarding that sheesh.

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Well then let's focus on the important part getting leadership moved

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Dgb help me figure out what it means that all the soldiers got the leader message.
I think that makes utl more town but

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So day starts
Implosion says he saw ss
Ss jazzhands
Utl says she performed the kills
No other soldier speaks up

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I'm missing something

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I'll be OK with a kat lynch i think.
If it's OK, I'll leave my kill list alone so that we can check soldiers

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With my politician? Maybe i haven't thought of that cause silly
Leader is untargetable.
If kats is scum i wouldn't kill snow maybe

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Yup I check pj voted and no vote appeared in thread.

So note a VT claim is a lie, yes I know that includes me and I don't care.

Or bulb stole it and died.
Be weary but i wouldn't go crazy with it.
If I'm leader and we see another issue them we know we've got a scum politician tomorrow

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? That role could be 100% made up with the same end result. Which Mt opinion is it is

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Hah i was thinking full lies but yes that also fills that gap.

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? That role could be 100% made up with the same end result. Which Mt opinion is it is

No one was executed day 1, it wasn't know till day 2 that a player could execute 2 players per kats claim.
Are you saying that it was clear that the leader could execute 2 players?

I think you're over thinking what I'm saying.

Scum snowman visits ep as a role. Gets tracked. After jazzhands says his role is magic i tell you who ordered the kill if i visit him on the night they are killed.

As scum, you can 100% say kats did it regardless of kats alignment. Because who else 'orders' a kill.

There's no doubt that claim will come up 'legit' because it's worthless.

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Addendum: the only scenario it makes any sense is if scum have a leader and use the exact same mechanic.

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You mean me?
Yes the weight of that if it's wrong will weigh so heavily on my spirit that i shall sink inches, full inches into my pillow as i snore.

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Yesssssss. The power courses through my veins.

So the dealio is a target and, optionally, the previous leader. By end of day.

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I'm asking a few clarifying questions, but i definitely don't have a good answer to that.
The real question is do we lynch outside and let the bodies hit the floor

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It specifically references soldiers too.

I also confirmed. I can switch targets any time before end of day. No conditionals.

If we kill both of them i dont have a third I'm excited about.

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Like pj on kats scum maybe but can't do that. Ces maaybe but i thin k he's townish sooo. U2l today still doesn't make sense as scum.

I'm kinda lost.

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Yea I'm just not confident at the moment.

Actually were at 9 alive? In theory if we lynched and doubleshot town... is that game?

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That's the thing. It's not an option. Executes are locked during the day.

Maybe it's more sense to lynch kat and let a body hot the floor. Unless someone has something that really gets my goose

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I wish i was excited. But i think that's the plan.
Dgb you better not be breaking my heart

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I'll promise you ill think about it if you're town. Thats all i can give.

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Yeaaa that was some special magic right there.

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Man kats that equinox kill. :/
Cause that's the one that i just couldn't

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I know i know. Dangit. Another life sweet kat

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Well huzzah.
Dgb had me full blinders.

Why would you not claim your actual role name

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DGB was obvscum and I had a scumread on CES due to EP flip, pity.

Well played PJ.

You broke my heart Spyspy </3

Mykonian, if you think that bulbazak was anything but scum MVP then you're fucking delusional I have no idea what to say.

Well if d3 you were not so busy maybe it would have went a bit better. I didn't think you were scum and the twilight really made me think about the game state. I got a little distracted by u2l and farside but man.

I think it would have been so easy without the eq kill i just couldn't wrap my head around that. :/ i would have actively fought for your not lynch.

And i didn't think that was a game over place i should have thought it through more.

Of course me bring the choice losing the politician hurts too

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No thanks. Just stop both of you it does 0 good

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Ces and pj were more likely to me than you and utl. I should have been harder on them not coming out with the soldier stuff.

I have regrets