Alice in Wonderland - [Game Over!]

[Salamence20]

I TRUSTED YOU ON THE BURNER LYNCH!

In an ordinary game, we probably would have had scum. But fuck me being fooled by a scum JK (!!!)

NS's Paranoia
My Paranoia
Skull being obvtown (lol)
Vi's sanity
Rack and Mala's lack of participation
Aronis's selfhammer

P-Edit: i have no problems with this setup despite what I said in-game. Its odd, but its fucking wonderland? So....

[Natirasha]

The setup is what is with, although I agree with muffin in the deathread that kill-triggered beloved princess is a role that should literally never exist.

[Katsuki]

I have to say I've become incredibly fond of this avatar despite the trainwreck that was this game.

I also don't think I've ever enjoyed such a lopsided loss like this before.

[Salamence20]

Two important things:

1. Reinoe, why the fuck did you fake a post restriction as town?

2. Vi, why did you damn NS like that while blocked? For all the shit you gave me in the dead thread, ID LOVE to hear the reasoning for guiltying someone who was most likely obvtown WHEN YOU HAD AN UNCONFIRMED SANITY.

[rack]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Who said proficiency was necessary? (it should be obvious which head was which )

Huh. That looks like it was a fun game.

[Katsuki]

Why not? I thought reinoe was incredibly protown and would never have lynched him if not for that Vi post.
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On a separate note, I just realized THIS SETUP IS FUCKING TERRIBLE AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD FOR NOT GIVING THE THREE ALICES A NEIGHBOURHOOD FAKEGOD

[Katsuki]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Who said proficiency was necessary? (it should be obvious which head was which )

Huh. That looks like it was a fun game.

It was incredibly one, and amongst one of my many most enjoyable games.

[Katsuki]

*incredibly fun...

I should go sleep cant type anymore night.

[rack]

Oh actually I've also been becoming more and more partial to the MTGS school of flipping, where they flip the whole role PM upon death.

No.


Just.... no.

Role PMs can be made public

after

the game is over, not during.

[Natirasha]

No.


Just.... no.

Role PMs can be made public

after

the game is over, not during.

I'm curious as to why this is necessarily bad?

[Katsuki]

Because you confirm what a role is 100%, and that's boring.

Leave something for imagination~

[Natirasha]

I mean, yes, but you obviously plan around that when designing the game.

You can also redact information.

[reinoe]

Two important things:

1. Reinoe, why the fuck did you fake a post restriction as town?

I already explained it.

[Vi]

2. Vi, why did you damn NS like that while blocked? For all the shit you gave me in the dead thread, ID LOVE to hear the reasoning for guiltying someone who was most likely obvtown WHEN YOU HAD AN UNCONFIRMED SANITY.

I'm impressed that you claim to have read the dead thread and yet didn't catch the memo that I was not in any way intending to indicate that I had results on my scumpartners, as evidenced by me justifying my reads by my Neighborhood. If I wanted you to know that I had mod confirmation, I would have said so. More's the point, I believe I and a few other people have made it clear that investigating Neighbors is a last resort - I really did have a 100% success rate at reading Neighbors up until now

without

the aid of other power roles. I'm not blaming you for not realizing this because it would have required you to know that I'm the single biggest proponent of Neighborizer as a nontrivial power role on this site. Third, there was a Townie in this game who was around during Day 3 who knew that I could not possibly have had two Cop results by that time (and SPOILERS, it was

you

). Had you called me on it I would have readily confirmed that I had no mod-given information about what I had said (while engaging in futility with trying to keep my Cop role secret).

In other words kindly don't be a dumbass.

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I mean I have a rule and that's 'always treat your neighbor as confirmed town in the absence of setup information', so I would still defend my play.

This, much like "always claim Serial Killer in your first post", is a bad rule; and treating your Neighbor like a Mason even more obviously a bad rule than that; and refusing to acknowledge that it's a bad rule makes you a bad player.

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At first I was going to say that the better team won even though the scum essentially did nothing (I need two hands to count the egregious, nontrivial, and obvious misplays Town made) but then I found out who the scum were in this game. This was a startlingly strong performance from the scum team. Salute!

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Thanks for modding, FakeGod! I know what it's like to put your soul into a game and have people kick you in the chest for it.

Though in my case the chest-kicking didn't entirely stop postgame.

[Vi]

In other words kindly don't be a dumbass.

This line was thoroughly unnecessary. I apologize.

[FakeGod]

I have to say I've become incredibly fond of this avatar despite the trainwreck that was this game.

I also don't think I've ever enjoyed such a lopsided loss like this before.

The endgame underwater Alice doesn't look as good in an avi.

[Skullduggery]

Congratulations, Scum team.

Thanks for the game, FakeGod.

I also don't get why both Alices played with such high visibility, if all games this was the one to fly under the radar! (esp the titus softclaims, that just draws NKs )

I was going to tell Salamence to Vanillaize me on Day 2 to get rid of that Beloved modifier (I didn't know at the time that it wouldn't work on Alices), so all I had to do was survive one night. With all the crumbs and soft-claims from other players on Day 1, I figured I would probably be fine during that first night. I was wrong.

Sorry for being too Town, I guess. I have a tough time reining it in sometimes.

(i.e. Imagine if someone's account was named No Lynch...)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.p ... file&u=465
http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.p ... file&u=466

Pretty sure the staff created those accounts specifically so nobody else would get that bright idea.

[Katsuki]

I have to say I've become incredibly fond of this avatar despite the trainwreck that was this game.

I also don't think I've ever enjoyed such a lopsided loss like this before.

The endgame underwater Alice doesn't look as good in an avi.

So you noticed.

[Katsuki]

This one works tho methinks and is a more fitting postgame avatar.

[Natirasha]

This, much like "always claim Serial Killer in your first post", is a bad rule; and treating your Neighbor like a Mason even more obviously a bad rule than that; and refusing to acknowledge that it's a bad rule makes you a bad player.

It's a rule that works enough of the time as to even out over time. I've lynched my neighbors before when it made sense to. I mean, Prof Fridays played very well in the neighborhood. He caught all the same beats as me, thought in ways that were pretty describably townie. I don't think I would have suspected him until late in the game in any case.

But I am a bad player, that is true! 9% win rate and all that.

[FakeGod]

This one works tho methinks and is a more fitting postgame avatar.

Indeed.

[reinoe]

Hiplop was even worse in the Neighborhood than he was in this game. Shocked he wasn't lynched.

[Malakittens]

Um Sala are you really blaming me...?

I was very active in both Day 1 and Day 3[?]. It was the other two days that I was not because I wasn't really around when Kats Tree stump when off and after that I was kinda lost on who was scum because of the setup.

So I will take blame when it's necessary, but calling me out when it isn't 100% called for isn't right.

I will admit a majority of my reads were wrong, okay?

[Marquis]

gg

bad situations stacking for town, props to scum but particularly to Konowa and Fridays; I was townreading the latter and "meh probably not going to care enough to lynch him" for the former.

[Konowa]

I would like to thank FakeGod for the enjoyable game. The artwork was amazing.

As to gameplay, we got incredibly lucky with our NK's and rolecops. As you can see from the scum PT, I believed that the ns/reinoe/Vi neighborhood were the three Alice's and wanted to shoot in there. Matt and Prof convinced me otherswise. The speedlynch was absolutely awful and Salamence should have said something when I started dropping crumbs D4. I started sweating bullets when Prof said that Nati wanted massclaim as I was sure that after outing the doc ability my JK claim was sure to have drawn scrutiny. Which is why I put off claiming as long as possible. Even still, I thought the response was going to be "NOPE YOU'RE ROLEBLOCKER" and lynch. I don't feel that I played terribly well since I really didn't do anything dayphase wise outside of not being suspected, which I guess is enough?